Jaysen's V12 -- 'Lil Bit' of everything fun
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Re: Jaysen's V12 -- 'Lil Bit' of everything fun
He needs about a drums worth of epoxy. 20 or so sheets of assorted plywood and 3-4 rolls of biax. Oh and 20 lbs of wood flour.
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Re: Jaysen's V12 -- 'Lil Bit' of everything fun
Short list to start with:
Wood flour
Fighting Lady Yellow or close to it (only need to cover upper panels of hull)
Very light greyish that can take non skid additive (entire interior)
Nonskid additive.
Some medium or fast epoxy
Light cloth (the 12oz it too heavy/thick for a few places)
Might need to add more if I screw something up tomorrow.
BTW, the "remnants" of the cnc kit are bailing my bacon out of the fire. Rub rails. Cleats for seats. Bow "deck" I'm adding. So far it's all coming from the cutoffs.
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Seems like that's what I've used. I'm almost out of my SECOND three gal kit. This will be third wood flour order. That's enough for TWO v12 kits. I will say that my latest tape job is MUCH better than my first. No running mess or puddles in the low spots.
Need to get even better if I'm going to tackle the big blow boats.
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Re: Jaysen's V12 -- 'Lil Bit' of everything fun
Keep building them. Each one will be better than the last one.
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Already in discussions with the bank on the next one. Trying to decide on "go fast" or "floating hotel". Will be sail powered with electric harbor motor either way.
I've also made a small decision after yesterday. All future builds need to have a proper "build space". Not necessarily walled but proper shelter with adequate overhang, proper power for lights, fans, heat, and tools to all run at the same time, some type of lift capacity, and a hard level floor that won't need reset after every rain. I should be able to just improve the current area with some 8x8 posts 12' high and just modify the structure as needed. Luckily I need some concrete and fence work done so those may go in soon.
I've also made a small decision after yesterday. All future builds need to have a proper "build space". Not necessarily walled but proper shelter with adequate overhang, proper power for lights, fans, heat, and tools to all run at the same time, some type of lift capacity, and a hard level floor that won't need reset after every rain. I should be able to just improve the current area with some 8x8 posts 12' high and just modify the structure as needed. Luckily I need some concrete and fence work done so those may go in soon.
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Re: Jaysen's V12 -- 'Lil Bit' of everything fun
I personally would absolutely avoid that, use the appropriate materials there where needed.
It's your boat so do whatever you please, but before you decide to go ahead with the the fairing filler take a look at the chart below, you will find that the fairing filler have "no strength" what so ever.
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Peter, I completely cede the point to you, and I regularly follow the chart you've posted. Can I say that I've, never, ever used a mix recommended for one use when I didn't have it on hand? I do not ever recall one of my epoxy jobs failing to stick together.
But does the chart say it has "no strength"? I'm not seeing that; it's just a continuum from strongest to most sandable. Nothing goes to zero. I have to epoxy some stuff up today so for yuks I'm going to take a couple of scraps of Meranti and make up some glue from microballoons and glue them together. Tomorrow I'll try to break them and we'll see what happens. Kind of like the Mythbusters! If they just pop apart I owe you a beer.
But does the chart say it has "no strength"? I'm not seeing that; it's just a continuum from strongest to most sandable. Nothing goes to zero. I have to epoxy some stuff up today so for yuks I'm going to take a couple of scraps of Meranti and make up some glue from microballoons and glue them together. Tomorrow I'll try to break them and we'll see what happens. Kind of like the Mythbusters! If they just pop apart I owe you a beer.
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Re: Jaysen's V12 -- 'Lil Bit' of everything fun
It's like don't try to reinvent the wheel, actually it's quite simple no Mythbusters needed, take a leftover film of hardened epoxy without filler with 410 filler and 406 filler, you will find the first 2 you can break without any effort, now try to break the one with the 406 filler, getting my point?terrulian wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:05 am Peter, I completely cede the point to you, and I regularly follow the chart you've posted. Can I say that I've, never, ever used a mix recommended for one use when I didn't have it on hand? I do not ever recall one of my epoxy jobs failing to stick together.
But does the chart say it has "no strength"? I'm not seeing that; it's just a continuum from strongest to most sandable. Nothing goes to zero. I have to epoxy some stuff up today so for yuks I'm going to take a couple of scraps of Meranti and make up some glue from microballoons and glue them together. Tomorrow I'll try to break them and we'll see what happens. Kind of like the Mythbusters! If they just pop apart I owe you a beer.
Regarding the chart,no it doesn't mention strength at the 410 filler while it gives 1 to 4 stars in strength to other fillers, and yes it probably sticks together at the point you are gluing but you want the keep it stick together over the years also don't you?
Again I say, don't try to reinvent the wheel use the appropriate materials there where needed.
Re: Jaysen's V12 -- 'Lil Bit' of everything fun
Enjoying the build! I'd agree that pretty much any filler will work,theres talc powder ,chopped up paper, chopped up cotton, dust from under the table saw it all works.Just keep the consistency between mayo and ketchup.
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Re: Jaysen's V12 -- 'Lil Bit' of everything fun
Still going to do my experiment and I'll let you know.
Anyway the point was, remember, that he didn't have the right materials and he was gluing the seats to the cleats, not the frames to the hull. Of course you want to use the right stuff for the right job, but that's easy for me to say, since Tap Plastics is about five minutes away.
Anyway the point was, remember, that he didn't have the right materials and he was gluing the seats to the cleats, not the frames to the hull. Of course you want to use the right stuff for the right job, but that's easy for me to say, since Tap Plastics is about five minutes away.
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