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SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN****SPLASHED****

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:40 pm
by SmokyMountain
Hey Everyone,

It's official!! I've started my PH18 build. After lurkering on this site, Bradley (Doc_dyer) talking me into a build and test driving Muddlers PH18 on Crystal River at the 09 conclave this last spring, I' caught the fever and have been itching to get started. (Thanks Muddler) I got my wood and epoxy a couple of weeks ago and got a slow start, but now going full steam ahead.

I plan to do some minor modifications, such as increasing the deck space and have a smaller cockpit. I may install a tunnel, but probably won't.(I don't think I could cut the hull.) I primarly fly fish so the front deck will be as clutter free as possible. I will be using it on the local lakes and the couple of salt water trips I take to the gulf / atlantic each year.

A little about myself, I've built a Freestone 16 drift boat a couple of years ago, so I'm familar with the sew & stich methodology and epoxy / fiberglass.


Freestone 16 build - Bradley posing on the maiden voyage

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So far, I have cut out the mold bulkheads and bow mold for the stongback. I've started drawing out the real bulkheads and will be cutting out the panels etc.. I know I'll have plenty of questions and will appreciate the help along the way. Here are some pics so far.

The Journey begins with a bottle of boat builder beer. The second will be opened when completed.


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Bulckhead E

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Bow Mold

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An imtemidating amount of epoxy
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Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 10:58 pm
by Bowmovement
First off, Welcome!

I love the PH models. I look forward to seeing it come together.

Matt

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 12:17 am
by TomW
Welcome Andrew. Glad to see you get it going. Enjoy the build.

Tom

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:14 am
by Joe H
Hey Brad,
That is one beautiful Drift Boat, good luck on your build and keep us posted.

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:42 am
by Cracker Larry
Hey Brad,
That is one beautiful Drift Boat,
Welcome Bradley. Glad to see you get it going.
Yall, that's Andrew, not Bradley :doh: Welcome Andrew, happy to see you get her started.

It is a fine looking drift boat! I've always like the way they look.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:56 am
by Joe H
Sorry Andrew, where did I get Brad?? :doh:

Still love that drift boat!!!! I went and checked out there website. I think I know what my next build is going to be, a few years down the road of course.

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 8:58 am
by Bowmovement
Sorry Andrew, where did I get Brad?? :doh:
I think Bradley is Doc_dyer, his friend.

Matt

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 9:09 am
by wegcagle
Good luck with the build. Can't wait to see her coming together.

Will

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:20 am
by SmokyMountain
Joe,

No problem. Bradley needs to take credit too. We both cut the panels, glassed and stiched it together. I finished out the interior. :lol:

Joe H wrote:Sorry Andrew, where did I get Brad?? :doh:



Still love that drift boat!!!! I went and checked out there website. I think I know what my next build is going to be, a few years down the road of course.

Joe H
Thanks, It was a fun build and the plans were very good. Those are a great bunch of guys.

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:23 am
by Cracker Larry
Andrew, what is the arched brace across the drift boat for?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:59 am
by Aripeka Angler
Andrew, glad to read that you are underway on your boat :!: The PH 18 will work great for sneaking up on those big snook at Birdcrap Island :wink: I look forward to watching this build. Good luck...


Richard

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:05 pm
by Doc_Dyer
ciao

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 10:41 pm
by SmokyMountain
Richard,

I look forward to us sneaking up on those snook next to bird crap island in my PH18, probably not this spring, but definitely next!!!

Larry,

Like Brad said, It's to keep Bradley from falling out of the boat when I row. :lol: I had to steambend the white oak and clamp it on a jig. The braces themselves are Honduran mahogany.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:12 am
by Cracker Larry
Thanks, that's pretty cool.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:06 am
by Joe H
Andrew & Bradley heading out of Crystal River, I think?

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Is that a mechanical pencil on your work bench? I haven't seen one of those since my drafting days, by choice.

I too was wondering what the arched brace was, I've been in older drift boats up in Northern Michigan and they should have been equipped with them, crazy ride sometimes but the guide I was with would anchor most of the time, but it was still a blast!
Happy Thanksgiving.
Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:22 am
by Aripeka Angler
Joe H wrote:Andrew & Bradley heading out of Crystal River, I think?

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Joe H
Joe, that is indeed the SEAL team. That is two serious hardcore fishermen! They are headed toward the Crystal River nuclear power plant in your picture. There is probably some good bait there :lol:

Richard

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:30 am
by SmokyMountain
Joe

That is a mechanical drafintg pencil - 2mm. It works great drawing out everything and that is Bradley and I.

Hope everyond had a great Thanksgiving...... waiting for all of the company to leave so I can get back to boat building :help:

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:38 pm
by Doc_Dyer
ciao

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:49 pm
by Joe H
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:13 pm
by Bowmovement
I have to use a guide to cut a straight line also. :help: I can cut with out it, but I know with it, it will be straight as an arrow. I am no engineer but my father is, I guess it wore off.

Matt

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:24 pm
by SmokyMountain
its EASY to spot an engineer
It's a sickness.. :help:

I should start drawing / cutting on the stringers and panels tomorrow. :!:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 7:17 am
by cottontop
Looking and sounding good. I can just smell the plywood now. What kind of small saw are you cutting with? John

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:53 am
by Doc_Dyer
ciao

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 8:58 am
by cape man
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Guess I'll have to follow this thread all the way now! Hope it still tasted good and inspires. I too fell in love with the drift boat design the first trip out west. Your's is gorgeous!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 10:55 am
by SmokyMountain
Looking and sounding good. I can just smell the plywood now. What kind of small saw are you cutting with? John
John,

Like Bradley said a Sears 3" circular saw. A lot more stable than an jig saw and easier to see / handle than a full cirular saw.

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:06 pm
by Murry
Nice looking work Andrew.

I like the drift boat as well. Is that bondable UHMW on the bottom of that boat? If so I've got a couple of questions if you don't
mind.

Daniel

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:15 pm
by Doc_Dyer
ciao

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:18 pm
by SmokyMountain
I like the drift boat as well. Is that bondable UHMW on the bottom of that boat? If so I've got a couple of questions if you don't
mind.
Daniel,

Thanks. The bottom is Line X truck bed liner, sprayed on the bottom to about 4" above the chine of the boat. I have heard of UHMW (that is a high denisty plasitc?), but where someone had tacked it on. The problem was water in the seams and eventual replacement. (See the Montana Boat Builders forum)
Hyde has a G3 sole they put on their boat that's nice and durable. I have a buddy with one. You can beat the snot out of it with no damage. It's worth the money if purchasing.
Repair on the Line X is fairly simple. A little epoxy with some universal black and its as good as new. The only problem with the Line X is that if not applied smoothly it will bite a little going over rocks etc.. :oops:

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 10:23 pm
by SmokyMountain
Guess I'll have to follow this thread all the way now! Hope it still tasted good and inspires. I too fell in love with the drift boat design the first trip out west. Your's is gorgeous
Capeman,

Thanks for the compliment on the drift boat. I hope I can meet expectations with this build!! The beer was excellent and should motivate me to finsh ASAP so I can drink the second bottle !! :D

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:13 pm
by cparkerc
SmokyMountain,

Quick question for you regarding your drift boat. I noticed you built the rope seat, do you like it? I was planning on building something similar for my skiff, but have never actually sat in one.

Thanks

Carrington
Fort Collins, CO

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 4:18 pm
by SmokyMountain
Cparkerc,

I think the rope seat is very comfortable. I've worn shorts and had no problems. I was thinking the same thing you were while building. The seat allows you to dry quickly if wet wading. The material is white oak, very stong and durable.

Thanks

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 11:47 am
by cparkerc
Andrew,

Thanks for the review, appreciate it. I really like how those seats look, time to get building! Too cold here in Colorado for epoxy work anyway.

Thanks again, have a good weekend.

Carrington

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 7:22 am
by Murry
SmokyMountain wrote:
I like the drift boat as well. Is that bondable UHMW on the bottom of that boat? If so I've got a couple of questions if you don't
mind.
Daniel,

Thanks. The bottom is Line X truck bed liner, sprayed on the bottom to about 4" above the chine of the boat. I have heard of UHMW (that is a high denisty plasitc?), but where someone had tacked it on. The problem was water in the seams and eventual replacement. (See the Montana Boat Builders forum)
Hyde has a G3 sole they put on their boat that's nice and durable. I have a buddy with one. You can beat the snot out of it with no damage. It's worth the money if purchasing.
Repair on the Line X is fairly simple. A little epoxy with some universal black and its as good as new. The only problem with the Line X is that if not applied smoothly it will bite a little going over rocks etc.. :oops:

Andrew
Thanks for the replys Andrew and Bradley.
The problem was water in the seams and eventual replacement. (See the Montana Boat Builders forum)
I haven't had time to check out that site yet, but thanks for the link. While researching material for this purpose I was given the name of man who has developed a bondable UHMW. :idea: It's glued on with epoxy. I thought I had found someone I could ask about it. :D

Thanks again,
Daniel

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 1:47 pm
by MarkOrge
I have seen my share of drift boats in my years fly fishing the Bow in southern Alberta (before moving out to Toronto) that is by far the nicest I have seen. Beautiful.

I'll be watching your build as I hope to start my PH18 shortly after Christmas.

Have you made a decision on skeg/strakes/reverse chine?

Mark

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:35 am
by SmokyMountain
I have seen my share of drift boats in my years fly fishing the Bow in southern Alberta (before moving out to Toronto) that is by far the nicest I have seen. Beautiful.

I'll be watching your build as I hope to start my PH18 shortly after Christmas.

Have you made a decision on skeg/strakes/reverse chine?
Mark,

Thanks for the Complement on the drift boat.

As far as the skeg / strake / reverse chine... I'm will install a skeg and two strakes. I have to figure out which trailer I will buy before installing the strakes. There is a regional Shorelander distributor about 30 minutes from where I live. Any recomendation on trailer would be appreciated.

I probably won't do the reverse chines, but will install spray rails and sharpen the chine. Anybody have any recommendations / suggestions on how far they should go :doh: ?? I like Joel's fiberglass stake / chine method by using an angle as a mold.

As far as progress, I got the stringers drawn and cut this weekend.


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I have to cut the notches after I butt join them. As far as notches, there was not a lot of guidance of how deep to cut in the bulkheads / stringers. I used the ratio of 75% of depth in the bulkheads and 25% in the stingers. That way the majority of the notch depth are in the bulkheads and not the stingers. I felt there needs to be a little bit of a notch in the stingers so it will act as a system. There seems to be varying opinions.


Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:31 am
by Joe H
Andrew,
Congrad's on the first cut, your on your way now, I ended up not putting notches in my stringers, wish I would have to insure proper alignment, I like the 75%/25% idea.

Keep on posting pic's
Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:42 am
by TomW
I agree with you Andrew. One reason is when you flip and install them again you will have 3 peices of frame instead of 1 peice for each frame on those that are below the sole.

Tom

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 4:02 pm
by Doc_Dyer
ciao

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:01 am
by SmokyMountain
I've been playing around with locker configurations and have come up with a preliminary layout. The rod lockers will be a shallow box with spaces for the reels to hang down. I'll install tubes going fore and aft. The fore tube will be long enough for fly rods. I have modified the cockpit space by shortening it by about 2 feet for more deck space. I plan to make my own hatches with a gutter system like Bassmuns or something similar. Comments appreciated... :help: Still cutting panels... family activities are working against me right now....

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Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:40 pm
by Doc_Dyer
ciao

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:56 pm
by SmokyMountain
How's this.

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:07 am
by cape man
That looks awesome. Nice layout!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:21 am
by Doc_Dyer
ciao

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:51 pm
by SmokyMountain
Finally got all of the bulkheads, stringers and side / bottom panels cut out!! Cleaned up the shop and re-tooled for splicing.

I spliced the side panels tonight. Should have started splicing last night but forgot to notch the stringers after cleaning up the shop and laying panels out. :oops:

OHH the sweet smell of fresh epoxy....

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On the side panels, I power planed the outside of each splice the thickness of the tape, so fairing will be easier. I won't do this on the main bottom panels. I figure the splice in near the bow won't be too bad and I'll use Cracker Larry's trick of laying extra glass between the two splices near the transom.




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Hopefully I'll have a boat soon.... :o

I'm in the process of figuring out the dimensions / configuration of the stongback. Any tips would be appreciated.

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:39 am
by Doc_Dyer
ciao

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:05 am
by SmokyMountain
I've been busy ove the holidays.... all of the panels are spliced together, and the stongback is 99% completed. Bradley and I worked on the strongback and it was more of a pain than antisipated; especially the transom jig placement.

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It looks like a boat!!! I quickly clamped a couple of bulkheads and attached the inside stringers.


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I made some bulkhead molds, but I'm considering just using the real bulkheads; what are the advanatges / disavantages?

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 9:03 am
by peter-curacao
SmokyMountain wrote:I made some bulkhead molds, but I'm considering just using the real bulkheads; what are the advanatges / disavantages? Andrew
Apart from double the cutting work and some extra bucks on frames there aren't any I think :doh:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:04 pm
by tech_support
for the phantom you can use almost all frames as molds, the only exception being the middle frame(s) and even those could be pieced together to make a mold

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:17 pm
by SmokyMountain
for the phantom you can use almost all frames as molds, the only exception being the middle frame(s) and even those could be pieced together to make a mold
Good, I haven't cut out the interior of the middle mold (Bulkhead c) yet. I might make a modification that will change the side configuration. (Rod locker)

Apart from double the cutting work and some extra bucks on frames there aren't any I think

Peter,

That's what I though too, just making sure. I'll chalk up the mold cutting as practice before the real thing. :P

Thanks

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:13 pm
by BassMunn
I used my real bulkheads for the mold, just seems like extra work using the extra molds.
What Shine is refering to is Bulkhead C, which is normally cut down to sole level (except for the sides) making it difficult to use as a Mold frame, but if you cut it partially and just leave notches to keep it all together it works well for the jig and then once it's in the boat and glassed in, it's just a case of cutting a few notches and out the extra parts comes

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:03 pm
by SmokyMountain
Thanks Bassmunn,

I think that what I'm going to do. By the way, your boat is outstanding!!!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:50 pm
by BassMunn
Thanks Smoky :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:23 pm
by SmokyMountain
Its been a busy couple of weeks of boat building. I got the frame diagonales just right after some tedious adjustments of the strongback and boat frame, but it was worth the effort. The laser level really came in handy lining up the centerlines bulkheads.

Bradley came over today and we got to stitching. We put foam strips on the stringers and bulkheads to build in the needed gaps along the hull. Tile spacers and Lowe's paint stirrers were used at all of the joints. Everything fit together better than expected. :D

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Bradley posing after installing the foam strips.

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Boat 95% ready for tabbing. My 8 yr old Alex helped us by getting under the boat and pulling through the ties and placing the 3/4" PVC pipe hinge segments in place while we tighten them up. His new name is the "boat gnome". :D I should start tabbing everything tomorrow. Its a great feeling to see it all coming together. I've never used the pre-formulated epoxy "peanut butter", I've always made my own. Hopefully it will be easy to use.

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:47 pm
by Larry B
Looking good andrew.
Hey your 8 year old could start his own buisiness :D I'm sure guys here would pay good money to have him under the boat and knowing what to do :D
Looking forward to more pictures.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:29 pm
by Joe H
I can see already that you guy's are going to be raising the bar even higher, very nice.

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:21 pm
by Doc_Dyer
ciao

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:42 am
by cottontop
Andrew, Great looking work! Keep the pics coming. What were the pvc pieces you were talking about and do you plan on removing the pieces of foam(what type foam did you use for this step.) John

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:52 am
by cape man
That's some gorgeous stitching! A boat gnome...that's what I needed.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:42 am
by Doc_Dyer
Boat Gnome ie Alex

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:31 am
by SmokyMountain
Andrew, Great looking work! Keep the pics coming. What were the pvc pieces you were talking about and do you plan on removing the pieces of foam(what type foam did you use for this step.) John
Thanks for the complement, the PVC was 3/4" cut into 2" segments to act as hinge points at the stitch. (It was originally used as my baton.) I saw it on a lot of other builds and it seemed to make sense. The foam was 3/8" wide with an adhesive on one side. It's used for insulation. Bradley had a bunch left over from building his house. You can get it at Home Depot / Lowe's. It's about a 1/4" thick but compresses down to about to an 1/8". I'll remove the foam when I flip the boat to permanently install the stingers and bulkheads. Plastic was put down over the foam at the glue points so nothing would be stuck together. Thanks

That's some gorgeous stitching! A boat gnome...that's what I needed.
Thanks cape man, he works for Legos :P

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:39 am
by cape man
...he works for Legos
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That's mine on the right. Got him and his buddy out once during the whole thing to help coat some pieces. They work for World of Warcraft...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:24 pm
by SmokyMountain
Got all of the stitches tweaked , added a few here and there, taped the underside seams with duck tape , wet the seams and started tabbing. I haven't used the System 3 EZ fillet and was a little skeptical (I have always made my own), but I have to say, I like. :lol: It was real easy to measure / mix and had a nice consistency. I used a disposable cake decorating bag as suggested and had very little cleanup.


Boat finished being tabbed. If you are wondering what the paint sticks with sting ties to them is all about; the bottom panels wanted to shift at those location and were not even. 8O The side that wanted to go down a little, I put a small amount of torque to make them even. I probably won't matter once the glass tape was applied but I'm anal like that... :help:

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Pic of the stern with fresh fillet.... NICE :P

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I'll fill in the spaces tomorrow morning and start taping in the evening.

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:52 pm
by MarkOrge
Got to ask...what are the little white plastic disc shaped thingys ?

By the way, that drift boat on your first page is beautiful. Before I career moved us east and I got hooked on Bass I used to live in Calgary and float the Bow River regularly in the summer. Something about that nice woodwork just seems to go with fly fishing and mountain riffles, at least what comes to my mind.

mark

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:46 pm
by Doc_Dyer
ciao

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2010 10:55 pm
by SmokyMountain
[quote]Got to ask...what are the little white plastic disc shaped thingys ?
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Thanks for the drift boat complement. You're right flyfishing and a nice wood drift go together quite well...

Like Bradley said, they are 1/8" tile spacers. I like them because they are plastic and the epoxy won't stick to them if you get some on them.



Bradly,

No prob.... gotta do what you got to do... :lol: It was really a one man job anyway.

I didn't want to hit the boat with the pontoon boat and screw everything up.....

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:00 am
by Joe H
Everthing looks great Andrew, have fun working on the boat today, post up-date pictures.

I just fired up the heater in the garage, I plan on getting a little done on my boat today too.

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:54 am
by Cracker Larry
Looking good Andrew! The tile spacers are a great idea 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:55 pm
by Doc_Dyer
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:13 pm
by cape man
Lookin' Good! Nice tape job.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 6:59 pm
by SmokyMountain
I fit the glass fabric with the help of my lovely wife and taped /glassed the chines. Tomorrow I'll glass the rest of the boat after I sand the chines to take the "rough" off. Once that's complete, I'll build a cradle for the boat to sit on once right side up. I figured out the method for flipping: Attach two come-a-long under my desk with some straps roll out the boat strap, lift and flip. Sounds simple :roll: ... we'll see... I should be ready for flipping next Saturday.

I don't think need to install a rub rail right now because the design calls for a shear clamp. I am plannig on using a Taco rub rail like they sell here and figure I'll glue a 1/4" wood rub rail base the same outside width of the taco rail for a mount... or do I need to do that?? :doh:

Can anyone think if I need to do anything once the boat is glassed before flipping?? :help: After I permanently install the bulkheads stringers and shear clamp, I'll flip and finish the bottom. Once thats completed, one final flip.

Chine Taped

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Fabric Fitted (min 6" overlap) - It didn't cover the entire side panel, I'll cut a piece to over lap and go the deck for extra protection.

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If anyone can of think of something I've missed before the final outside glass and flipping let me know. :help:

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:37 pm
by Joe H
Can anyone think if I need to do anything once the boat is glassed before flipping
Have a beer, sounds like you have everything figured out. :)

Looking good.

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:55 pm
by Cracker Larry
Is there a reason not to fair and prime and finish the bottom, before the flip?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 8:10 pm
by Doc_Dyer
ciao

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:32 pm
by SmokyMountain
Is there a reason not to fair and prime and finish the bottom, before the flip
Like Bradly said, I would hate to get everything done on the bottom and flip have the hull warp or change... Am I being too paranoid? I didn't really have to deal with subject with the drift boat build. I seems like some go ahead and finish some flip a couple of time.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:33 pm
by Cracker Larry
Dang engineers :lol: That boat's gonna flex after the frames go in too. The primer can stand a lot of flex. Just a thought 8)

Are yall getting stocked up on Clousers?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 9:40 pm
by Cracker Larry
Am I being too paranoid?
Probably so Andrew. If it were me, I'd fill, fair and prime the entire outside and finish the bottom to the waterline. Then flip. The temp molds will hold the hull position and you'll rig a few braces across the sheer before you remove them to install permanent frames. The primer can withstand any reasonable flexing. If you are finishing the bottom with graphite? I'd go ahead and do that too. I'd wait to topcoat the sides, but I'd get them primed.

No big deal either way though, just saves a flip.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:11 pm
by SmokyMountain
Am I being too paranoid?


Probably so Andrew.
If anybody knows you do :D Sounds good. I'll go ahead and fill, fair, prime and finish to the water line. I would rather just flip once any. Thanks for the advice.

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:17 pm
by SmokyMountain
Dang engineers That boat's gonna flex after the frames go in too. The primer can stand a lot of flex. Just a thought

Are yall getting stocked up on Clousers?
Yeah in the true engieering fashion, I can be a bit annal about things. :help:

I haven't tied much... everything is packed up to avoid dust and make room for the build.. I'll tie up a bunch closer to May. You need any?? Just spec the colors you want.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2010 11:19 pm
by SmokyMountain
Have a beer, sounds like you have everything figured out.

Looking good.
Thanks Joe, I think I will.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:03 am
by Joe H
Yeah in the true engieering fashion, I can be a bit annal about things.
Had I remembered my response would have been different, you engineers are never done figuring things out! :lol:

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 10:59 am
by Cracker Larry
You need any?? Just spec the colors you want
Sure, I could use a few, gold mostly 8) I've been practicing to expand my redfishing opportunities. I went shopping at Bass Pro for a new fly rod and reel last week, but left confused. They seem to think I need to spend $500 for an entry level redfish outfit :doh: Got any suggestions for something a little less dear?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:10 pm
by SmokyMountain
Sure, I could use a few, gold mostly I
I'll Tie you some gold type clousers and famous orange and brown (with gold tinsel). The orange and brown will catch fish anywhere!!

A fish catch'en fly!!!

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As far as fly fishing setups, it can get expensive. You'll need an 8wt rod, reel and floating line for saltwater, a leader, tippet and flys. Even a beginning setup can add up. I would suggest eBay for a good used rod and reel. A reel is a little more important in salt than in fresh. You'll actually have to use the drag. Also, Sierratrading post and Madison River (closeouts) has some good prices. There is the option of making one too. I have the stuff to build a rod it you want. Won't be building any for a while :lol: . I'll PM you my phone number if you want to discuss. There is alot to it... more than I want to write :P .

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:21 pm
by Doc_Dyer
ciao

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:28 pm
by SmokyMountain
Got the boat glassed today with Bradley's help. Two glassing helped speed things up a lot. Took about 4 hours and 1 3/4 gallons of resin.

Half way there!!

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We tried to glass as lean as possible to keep the weight down. I'll fill the weave with wood flour / silica like Joel did on his low sheer.

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A view from the stern. You'll notice a dip right past the panel splice. 8O (Between bulkheads D & E) I'm going to scribe around the low area and cut some extra fiber glass to fill that area. I'll probably do that a couple of times and then fair (within that area) using wood/ silica to get it close before using faring compound. (Want that area to be strong for attaching the skeg.) This could have be avoided if I took the time like Joe did and noticed it :oops: I was just too excited to be tabbing the boat. A 2x4 support would have fixed it.....

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Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:35 pm
by Doc_Dyer
ciao

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:08 am
by Cracker Larry
Yes Andrew, that looks great 8)

NOBOATBRADLEY, do you still have the 35'? And this one?

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I'll Tie you some gold type clousers and famous orange and brown (with gold tinsel). The orange and brown will catch fish anywhere!!
Yeah, those are the ones! Perfect 8)
have the stuff to build a rod it you want. Won't be building any for a while . I'll PM you my phone number if you want to discuss.
As far as fly fishing setups, it can get expensive. You'll need an 8wt rod, reel and floating line for saltwater, a leader, tippet and flys. Even a beginning setup can add up.
Heck yeah, I'd like to build the rod if you've got the material. I've built several spinning rods, never fly rods 8)

I've got an old 6/7 weight cheapo outfit. Rod ain't much, reel is worse. The last fly line I bought cost about $20. Bass Pro wanted $100 for a 7 FWF saltwater line 8O I was impressed, didn't buy it :lol: Washed and dressed my old fly line today, them redfish can pull on it until it breaks, for $100 :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:24 am
by cape man
Larry,

Building a fly rod is just like building a spinning rod. If you want a good combo, found this on Cabelas. 2 piece, 8wt with reel and line for $290.

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templ ... hasJS=true

I will trade one BBB for one nice chartreusse and white Deciever.

Boat is looking great by the way...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 8:44 am
by Doc_Dyer
ciao

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:43 am
by TomW
Well I guess I can't call you noboat any more Bradley since you built one. Even if it wasn't a Bateau. :lol: :lol:

We'll make it through the winter blues, boats will be made, and we'll be in sunny FL before we know it. :D

Tom

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:02 am
by SmokyMountain
will trade one BBB for one nice chartreusse and white Deciever.
That's a deal !! Though I think I'll be getting the better end of the bargain. :P I'll bring some to the meet.

Larry,

Another good place to find a good blank for a excellent price is Mud Hole . http://www.mudhole.com/ That place is a one stop shop.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:16 am
by cape man
Mudhole is fantastic. Several months ago I thought we actually started a thread on rod building...I know there was a lot of discussion after I posted a pic of one I built...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 10:31 am
by tech_support
Great glass work, thank you for posting it fo all to see :D.

Having an extra hand on the big lamination jobs is nice. Before you drag that slurry around to fill the weave, knock the stitching down with some low (60'sh) grit on your DA, that way you are only filling the tiny little weave holes and not all the stitching. It should only take a quart or so to do the whole job.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 12:05 pm
by Joe H
only filling the tiny little weave holes
Don't let Joel fool ya Andrew, after filling I just finished sanding all those tiny little weave holes this past weekend, they sure do add up after the entire length of the boat :!:

Your glass work turned out real nice.

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 1:30 pm
by SmokyMountain
Don't let Joel fool ya Andrew, after filling I just finished sanding all those tiny little weave holes this past weekend, they sure do add up after the entire length of the boat
Yeah, I know. I figure its good practice for fairing :help: . I'm going to make a fairing board like you did. I was also thinking of making a second one the length of the distance between the strakes and skeg. (I'm only going to install two strakes) That way I'll get a nice fair without a lot of trouble. Don't know if that will work, since I've never done any fairing but sounds like it might.

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 7:17 pm
by Joe H
Andrew, your right thats going to be a pain fairing in between the strakes, hmmm, I'm going to have to give this some thought.
Now my head hurts as much as my arms and back, ain't it great! :lol:

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 9:15 pm
by SmokyMountain
Great glass work, thank you for posting it fo all to see .

Thanks for the complement. Never have done a thread before... sorta fun.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:20 pm
by SmokyMountain
Well I'm getting closer to fairing. I got the sides glassed to the gunnel, all of the weaves filled with wood flour / silica paste (after a lot of sanding), keel taped one final time per plans (glad I looked back over them - did not realize that was specified) and the dip patched enough to fair with little problem. It looks like next on the list of "to do's" is:

- Sharped the chines. I'll use Joels method unless someone has a better idea. How far forward do you usually sharpen the chines? I'm going to install a splash rail also. It will be out of the water for stealth.
- Make / mold the strakes and attach
- Cut the skeg to size and attach. I was going to mold the skeg like the strakes, but after investigating how much a metal mold would cost (with labor to weld or cut the top off a square section ($100 plus) I decide to used wood :lol: . Probably ash or white oak.
- Cut / mold splash rails. I need to decide on a cross-section / shape for that too. And ideas? :doh:
- Fairing .... (make fairing board)..

Here are some pics...

Sides glassed and filled

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Weave filled. That shiny spot is where I had extra filler and "faired " the patch.
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My oppsy patched to where fairing should be not problem.

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My new toy. Boy, does that thing make a difference. I was using a box fan with an air filter it worked, but this Jet really purges the air of dust.
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Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:28 pm
by stickystuff
Epoxy and oak do not do well together. Use the ash. For some reason from what I have read and heard from other builders , it doesn't want to stick to it very well. Other than that looks great. i remember those days when I built my PH16, Ph15 nd XF20. Lots of elbow grease before it's all over. You will love it in the end.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:22 am
by ksm330
stickystuff wrote:Epoxy and oak do not do well together. Use the ash. For some reason from what I have read and heard from other builders , it doesn't want to stick to it very well. Other than that looks great. i remember those days when I built my PH16, Ph15 nd XF20. Lots of elbow grease before it's all over. You will love it in the end.
+ 1 on ommiting the oak, depending on the oak. If you're thinking the "red" oak from the Depot or Lowes, I would steer clear. Try to get the clearest wood you can. Knots will be a PITA. Western Red Cedar is super easy to work with if you can find it, but there are a lot of species that will suffice for a spray rail.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:36 am
by cape man
Prior to beginning the fairing, it might be interesting to measure your biceps, and then again when finished. :lol: :lol: Looking good!!!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 9:41 am
by TomW
I like your new toy. 8) I have always used the box fan setup with 2 filters regular and HEPA also, never have got around to buying your toy other things always came first. :(

Tom

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 8:10 am
by SmokyMountain
I didn’t get a whole lot done this weekend. I’m in the process of getting all of the edges sharpened on the boat and have been working on the skeg, strakes and spray rail. After looking around the site, I found a good example of a spray rail cross section I like. (Thanks to whomever posted) I found one showing a cove cut etc… and backwards designed it in AutoCad. It looks like I’ll be able to attach the skeg, strakes and spray rail this weekend. Then the fairing will begin… :help:

Spray rail section. It' a little to wide, I'm going to cut it on the centerline (the line going across - up and down). That will allow me to make both spray rails from one nominal 2x4. The material will be ash, unless someone has a better material suggestion.

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Liquid Fiberglass strake fresh out of the mold.

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Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:00 am
by cape man
The material will be ash, unless someone has a better material suggestion.
Perfect. It's always a good thing to have a nice piece of ash on the boat. :lol: :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:29 am
by tech_support
true, tight grained ash is always nice to have around.

Being up in the mountains you might be able to find some milled black locust. I have always wanted to play around with that wood, but it not readily available down here.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 6:56 pm
by stickystuff
Locust was a real popular wood when I lived in Middle Tn. Most of it was used for fence posts and head gates for cattle. Very hard, strong and really tight grained. Practically bug and rot free.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:29 pm
by Joe H
Perfect. It's always a good thing to have a nice piece of ash on the boat
Not if the birch finds out! :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2010 7:54 pm
by SmokyMountain
erfect. It's always a good thing to have a nice piece of ash on the boat


Not if the birch finds out!
Or you wife... 8O

I have changed my mind on the skeg. I had a mold made and will form it out of liquid fiberglass. I was going to the wood place and Bradley why not use aluminum flashing / guttering for a mold. So I went to the local gutter / flashing place and they made me one out of scrap in about 5 sec for free!! :lol: :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:38 am
by MarkOrge
Are you going with the 1 1/2 X 1 1/2 or a different shape?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:24 am
by cottontop
Your mold turn outs look great. Are you going to show us a pic of the new mold before you pour it? cottontop

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:55 am
by SmokyMountain
Are you going with the 1 1/2 X 1 1/2 or a different shape?
Yes, I'm using what the plans call for: 1-1/2 x1-1/2 at 7' long. I'll probably taper the first 2 feet. I will try to cut the mold and bend the taper into the mold. The aluminum mold is thin enough to do that, but thick enough not to deform.

Your mold turn outs look great. Are you going to show us a pic of the new mold before you pour it? cottontop
Thanks , Yeah, I'll take a picture this evening and post it. It only took the guy about 1 minute or less to break the aluminum strip in to the shape I wanted. They can break that stuff into about any shape you wold like. They were making roof caps at the time. It was neat to watch. They had a computer with different typical sections, press the button and put the aluminum strip in...

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:38 pm
by SmokyMountain
Got some work done this weekend. Molded the skeg and prepped for installation , got sharp edges where I want them on the chines , prepped strakes for installation and finished the spray rails.

The mold was from a gutter place. It took them about a minute to break it for me.

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I was gong to cut and bend the taper into the mold, but found that was going to be hard to do... I cut a piece of strap ply and made the taper as shown... taped the wood with packing tape so it wouln't become part the skeg :help: .

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Fresh epoxy out the mold. :!: .. I used Joel's liquid fiberglass recipe and some fiberglass strips for reinforcing.

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Here is the end result after sanding it down with 60 grit. I measured the width and was within a 1/10" .. not bad.

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I cove cut like others for the spray rail. I didn't know a cove cut existed until a few weeks ago. Though it looked neat. I split the wood donwn the middle and cut a few angles on the outside and sanded the heck out of it :D .

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This weekend, I'll install the skeg, strakes and spray rail. I figure on the skeg, I'll use my laser level and straight line the center of the boat, mark the middle of the skeg in a few places and attach. Seems like a logical way to accomplish that task.... if anyone has suggestions let me know :help: I'll offset the strakes from the skeg. I guess I should round the edges of the skeg so I can tape to the boat.

Then maybe I can start fairing... never thgouht I would look forward to that 8O ..

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:13 am
by Cracker Larry
if anyone has suggestions let me know
I suggest that you don't drink moonshine while installing skegs :wink:

The work looks great Andrew, really like those solid glass strakes 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:19 pm
by stickystuff
When I built my PH 16 I used the cove wood for the corners on the front bench storage seat on the consol.Makes for a nice round finish on the edges and you don't stub your toes on it.See pics on PH 16 plans page and click on photos.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:47 pm
by SmokyMountain
I suggest that you don't drink moonshine while installing skegs
Larry,

I'll keep that in mind... E. TN produces 1st rate shine.... maybe something to bring to the meet?? :P



Sticky,

Thanks for the tip, I'll check the corners out.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:37 pm
by cape man
I suggest that you don't drink moonshine while installing skegs
You gettin' old Cracker?

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I'll keep that in mind... E. TN produces 1st rate shine.... maybe something to bring to the meet??
We'll chase it with a BBB! :help: :help: :help:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:47 pm
by Cracker Larry
You gettin' old Cracker?
Nah, I'm a professional, just looking out for Andrew :wink: I've got some Muscadine shine that I made special for yall too. Need a label for it :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:01 pm
by Dog Fish
You got wild Muscadine grapes by you?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:21 pm
by Cracker Larry
Yes, we've got wild black muscadines growing everywhere like kudzu, the locals call them bullises. They cover the fences and choke the trees. There are probably 5 different wild varieties, and I've got a few vines of a domestic white scuppernong grape too. We get grapes by the 5 gallon buckets in the summer. You can see grape vines in a lot of my build pictures, everything behind the boat is grapes.

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:43 pm
by Dog Fish
Wow, A great supply for that wine making.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:53 pm
by SmokyMountain
Got my skeg installed this weekend. The strakes and spray rail are ready for installation and should be completed by Friday. I should be in the fairing business this weekend :help: . I used the system III gel magic to install the strake, that stuff works well. It really doesn't sag.. just as advertised. Once the skeg was installed I measured for the strakes on either side and then measured from the chines on each side in a couple of spots. All the measurement were within an 1/8" :P . Felt good that the skeg is in the middle and the strakes will be they need to be.

Skeg from the bow
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Skeg from the stern
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Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:46 am
by cape man
Looking at that I think your fairing is going to be fairly easy (pun intended). Looking good!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 2:18 pm
by Joe H
They sure do look like they lying flat Andrew………."looking good"

I also got my chines and strakes installed this past weekend, feels good huh?

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:03 pm
by CaseyS
Is it better to install the strakes and skeg before or after fairing? I thought installing them afterwards wasw better because it made the fairing easier. But I also know that epoxing something to fairing compound makes a weak bond. So which is it? Just a matter of preference.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:07 pm
by Cracker Larry
I'd prefer my skeg and strakes to have a strong bond instead of a weak one :wink: The easiest way is seldom the best :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:37 pm
by MarkOrge
Could one fair the hull, then mark out where the skeg/strakes are going, sand/grind a localized area, epoxy the parts on, the just do a little touch up fairing as needed? :doh:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 7:55 pm
by CaseyS
MarkOrge wrote:Could one fair the hull, then mark out where the skeg/strakes are going, sand/grind a localized area, epoxy the parts on, the just do a little touch up fairing as needed? :doh:
this was my next question!

I also wanted to know what the advantage of an epoxy glass filled strake or skeg or fin for that matter has over a like part mad from wood but covered with glass cloth or some type of abrasive resistant fabric.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:17 pm
by Cracker Larry
MarkOrge wrote:Could one fair the hull, then mark out where the skeg/strakes are going, sand/grind a localized area, epoxy the parts on, the just do a little touch up fairing as needed? :doh:

this was my next question!
Yes, you can. Don't glue structural parts directly on top of fairing compound. It still won't be quite as strong, because the weave will be filled with fairing and you can't sand that out. Really better if the weave was filled with wood flour/epoxy glue than micro balloons.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:11 pm
by SmokyMountain
Is it better to install the strakes and skeg before or after fairing?
From all the research and taking advice from Larry and others, I though it was worth the extra effort to attach the strakes / skeg to before fairing. Like Larry said, you could fair around the areas and then attach. I'm going to make a second fairing board the length between the strakes and skeg to make that part of the job easier. It's better to make a little extra work than knocking you skeg off :help:

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:23 pm
by SmokyMountain
For all those fly fishing fanatics like me 8O one thing I've found to be a pain is trying to get you fly rod to fit in the conventional vertical rod mount holders. I modified a piece of PVC in the past with a slot, but found some seemly functional fly rod holders at this web site. I'm defiantly going to consider these on one side of the console.

See this link: http://stores.theifly.com/-strse-Fly-Ro ... gories.bok

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:04 pm
by Cracker Larry
Andrew, I think you missed it, because you were out fishing while we were shooting the bull at the builders meet last year, but Ken Owens had made some of those for one of his stand-up paddle boats. They were just like that and just as nice, made from PVC pipe . I was thinking of them yesterday when pondering how to carry a fly rod in my boat. My T-top excludes any console mounted holder but I can make one of those work somewhere. I've got some scrap PVC, I'll experiment for us.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:13 am
by SmokyMountain
I've got some scrap PVC, I'll experiment for us.
Larry, that sounds great. :P I was thinking of the same thing when the time came ....

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:28 am
by SmokyMountain
I also wanted to know what the advantage of an epoxy glass filled strake or skeg or fin for that matter has over a like part mad from wood but covered with glass cloth or some type of abrasive resistant fabric.
Casey,

I was think it you ever hit the skeg and went through the glass fabric, you wouldn't have to worry about rot and repair may be easier. I'm going to cover both the skeg and strakes with fabric too. I plan on using this boat every where and I KNOW I'll be rubbing the skeg somewhere. Also, I just liked the idea of fiberglass / liquid glass skegs / strakes.....

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 7:13 am
by SmokyMountain
I'm almost ready to fair... that's been my goal for at least three weeks now. Got the spray rail and strakes attached.

I glassed the strakes and skeg. I was worried I would get some bubbles on the tighter edges and did 8O . I sanded those down and removed the bubble and will fill / fair with silica / wood flour. I should have glassed one side at a time to avoid any sharp edges.... I probably didn't need to glass them in but wanted the extra protection.

Here are some pics.


Skeg and strakes attached.
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Spray rail attached. They look big 8O , but should deflect the water well. Their on now ... no turning back. I'll have to fill the kerfs, with try to glass them on in a manner that will not create air bubbles.

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I attached the rails with gel magic, and then filleted the underside wet on wet. I'll sand and fillet the upper side of the rail this week.
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Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 8:00 am
by Joe H
Andrew, you have made some excellent progress!

I'm worried that your chines are a bit extreme and may be fighting against one another when riding in a chop and affecting your ride in a negative way, I'm not a boat designer so I don't really know, maybe someone with more experience will chine in and tell me I'm full of it and not to worry.

Fairing sucks and not in a good way!

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 9:29 am
by tech_support
I would flatten them out quite a bit, you have a tremendous amount of force on those, plus with such an extreme angle your not going redirect the spray (purpose of spray rail) as much a trap it. A slight negative angle is not a bad idea, maybe 5-10 degree.

I like the size of them by the way

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 11:00 am
by TomW
I would also carry them all the way aft. Where they are stopped now you will have spray coming off and up into the boat. I also don't like the angle but like the size.

Tom

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:07 pm
by tech_support
TomW wrote:I would also carry them all the way aft.
Tom
that particular boat does benefit from any more lift in the stern

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 12:55 pm
by TomW
Shine agree lift definately not a problem, I know that. But spray will be a problem since he cut it off well short of the stern. His overall design of the spray rails is flawed except maybe the size.

Andrew take a look at Joe's spray rails on his P19 and extend them forward. From my design knowledge he did not extend them far enough forward. These allow the water to flow off the spray rail without trapping it.

Tom

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:01 pm
by tech_support
Where does the spray rail end, relative to the stern or bow? Its not easy to tell from straight forward view but it seam the rail ends about where water would be coming off the chine at a normal planning speed.

I know it a little late now, but you could have taken the strakes much further forward (about to where the sprayrails end), again it hard to tell how far they go just from the front view. They will only help in spray and turning if you take them to the length of the water plane. You can even take them all the way to the bow if you want, but this may introduce hull noise.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 4:05 pm
by TomW
Joel as I look at it he has 8-10' to the stern that's 2-3' forward of where the normal spray will come off at normal planing. But let's get Andrew's measurement to the stern.

Tom

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 5:29 pm
by SmokyMountain
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by shine » Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:01 pm

Where does the spray rail end, relative to the stern or bow? Its not easy to tell from straight forward view but it seam the rail ends about where water would be coming off the chine at a normal planning speed.

I know it a little late now, but you could have taken the strakes much further forward (about to where the sprayrails end), again it hard to tell how far they go just from the front view. They will only help in spray and turning if you take them to the length of the water plane. You can even take them all the way to the bow if you want, but this may introduce hull noise.
Joel / Tom / whomever want to give an opinion,

The spray rail ends about 2 ft past bulkhead "B" towards the stern. At the bow the rail is 16" short of the bow line. The total rail length is approx. 8' The rails end about where you would plane.

I spoke with Jacques and after consulting with him I am thinking of doing the following:


1. Cutting the rail about .5 inches in at a 5-10 degree angle. (The dimensions are approx 1-1/2" on the inside of the rail (concave side) and 2-1/4" on the outside)
2. Filleting the rail at the boat - rail interface to lessen the extreme angel.
3. Rounding off the edge and glassing.

or do I just need to fillet?

How does that sound? :help:


The strakes are about 5 feet long. If they don't help with turning etc... that tuff for me. I didn't want them too long so I could prevent hull noise.

Also I was going for something Muddler did on his PH18.
His rail probably goes 3 ft past bulkhead B - I didn't want my rail in the water to reduce noise.

http://gallery.bateau2.com/albums/userpics/15860/23.JPG

His rail sticks out about as much as mine, but mine is more concave. Is his angle about right?? I e-mailed him the other day and says he has a dry ride.
http://gallery.bateau2.com/albums/userp ... _5265x.JPG




Thanks for any help.

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:20 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Andrew, your boat is looking great! The spray angle you will figure out. Easy to fix or modify now. Take your time and your boat will turn out fine :) Now for a question, what did you put in with the epoxy to mold the strakes for your boat? I was reading about this on another thread and want to try molded strakes....

Richard

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 10:57 pm
by SmokyMountain
what did you put in with the epoxy to mold the strakes for your boat?
I basically followed what Joel did on his low sheer. The mix I came up with was:

6 oz milled glass
3 oz chopped glass
1.5 oz silica

I used a aluminum angle iron with some mold release with general slow epoxy (didn't want it to kick to hard and start a fire :help: ) It's flexible for about two days and then cures hard. You'll get some small bubble on top. I sanded those down with no problems. (Make sure whatever stand you used for the the mold is level in both directions - I used some Styrofoam blocks from some packing material and shimmed a little. ) Hope that helps. Hope the paint / primer issue works out... I think I would cry is I saw that.... 8O

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:49 am
by TomW
Andrew, Muddler's rail is about as good as you can get angle wise. My wife fished with him last year and commented on how dry his boat was. There are two ways to fix it and that like Jacque says is to fill it in with filler at an angle, but that is a lot of filler or cut it off and redo it like Muddler's. I just had a thought, you could build it up with some wood at the proper angle and then finish with filler. This will give you a spray rail more like Joe's on his P19 although he has his on the back part of the boat instead of the front part.

Tom

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:41 am
by SmokyMountain
There are two ways to fix it and that like Jacque says is to fill it in with filler at an angle, but that is a lot of filler or cut it off and redo it like Muddler's. I just had a thought, you could build it up with some wood at the proper angle and then finish with filler.
Tom, I really don't want to cut off if I don't have to. I like the idea of using some would to help fill the area. After thinking about it, I did not account for the angle of the Hull. Therefore the spray rail was angled too far down.

This shows what has happened. The rail is rotated too much
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If I had accounted for the hull angle, the rail should be like this.

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I'm going to try modify the rail before cutting off :oops: :oops: Hopefully others can learn from this stupid mistake... getting into a big rush to get done and not taking everything into condiseration...


I'm interested to hear Joel's opinion.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:25 am
by tech_support
your plan for the spray rail is fine. Once you flatten it out a little.

The strakes are not going to help you turn nearly as much as they could. You could probably double their length and they would still be below the waterline while at rest.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:50 am
by SmokyMountain
your plan for the spray rail is fine. Once you flatten it out a little

Good, the more I think about it, I leaning toward cutting / filleting a portion of the rail to the correct angle the 1st - 4 ft closest to the stern (where it will affect turning and have the most pressure) and then taper to the orginal cross section closer to the bow and just fillet. No problem :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:26 pm
by SmokyMountain
I've been obssesing about this today. ... Here is my fix: I'll probably to this for about 4 ft and taper back to the full cross section:

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Joel, do you think this work?

Thanks

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:36 pm
by tech_support
I would trim it less. I actually like how far it extends, I just would flatten it out a bit. You can flatten it by trimming a lot off, or by filling with a hard putty and shaping them (like Joe's 19), or some combination of the two.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:43 pm
by TomW
Andrew I like how it sticks out also. Maybe if you could trim it out to the top of the first upright dotted line you drew in the picture you showed of the cut off drawing, I think that would be good. You would then have just a little bit to fill in then of a dimple to fill in on the red.

So on this drawing: Image

Draw a straight line between the two bottom red corners out to the to of the upright lower black dash.

Tom

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:04 pm
by Joe H
Andrew, I see where you were going with it and how easy it was to make the mistake, man that would have been perfect, I would have a very hard time deciding just what to do but you will make the right choice on the fix.

Joe H

Just seen the pic of the fix in the gallery, looks good.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:35 pm
by SmokyMountain
Maybe if you could trim it out to the top of the first upright dotted line you drew in the picture you showed of the cut off drawing, I think that would be good. You would then have just a little bit to fill in then of a dimple to fill in on the red.

Tom / Joel

Do you mean something like this? This shouldn't be too hard to cut with a jig saw or my small circular saw .


Image


Yeah Joe, hard decision. I'm going to try modifying, before I try to cut / grind that thing off.... just goes to show if I would have compensated a few degrees I would be happy as a clam.... live and learn.. :o

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:39 pm
by TomW
Andrew that looks good to me. Hopefully a simple fix! :D

Tom

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:38 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Andrew, thanks for posting the info on the solid glass strakes. I have been away due to work now for several days and don't get many chances to reply. I like your fix for what it's worth. Look forward to fishing with you and Bradley in a few weeks :)

Richard

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:46 pm
by SmokyMountain
Richard,

No problem. We're looking forward to FLA too :D .

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:53 pm
by SmokyMountain
Well....

I cut about 1/2" off the spray rail with my small circular saw and did a little sanding. I think it looks a lot better. I then filleted some of the concave area and then glassed it. It will have to work because it aint coming off :P

Looking from the bow.
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Close up form the bow
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From the stern
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I started faifing today. Don't really know what I'm doing :help: , but muddling my way through ti. I'm using a dry wall spreader. I guess things will become apparent after the 1st fairing and sanding.
Image

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:02 pm
by stickystuff
On my PH16 I was given a couple sections of Smart rail. Google smart rail and you will see your design is very close to theirs. maybe that is the one you copied. It made a whale of a diff. on how dry my hull became. was not 100% but around 75 better than it was. Get some rough seas and you are still going to get wet.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:42 pm
by Joe H
Looks good Andrew,
I am also in the fairing stage, fun stuff huh.
Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:51 pm
by SmokyMountain
It made a whale of a diff. on how dry my hull became. was not 100% but around 75 better than it was. Get some rough seas and you are still going to get wet.
Sticky,

That's good to hear. It took some time to make those things, but I think it will be worth it. I saw those online when I was doing research, the one I copies was on this board. Don't remember where I found it.

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:57 pm
by SmokyMountain
Looks good Andrew,
I am also in the fairing stage, fun stuff huh.

Yeah, really fun :x , I just sanded my 1st pass on half the boat 8O . I think if we can get through this, it's all downhill from here...

I made a 30" long board and a smaller 15" for in between the skeg and strakes... I think it will make thing go a little easier.. I would like to be painting the bottom in 2-3 weeks.. I know I deffinetly need to make sure the high build primer cures well 8O Don't want to a have a surprise like Richard did...

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 7:34 pm
by Doc_Dyer
From looking at those pictures it looks like you need to support that bow
but it's looking good though

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 10:34 pm
by SmokyMountain
From looking at those pictures it looks like you need to support that bow
but it's looking good though
You can't say that until I post the pictures :wink:
Image

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 10:42 pm
by cape man
Major step! Getting there now!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 10:43 pm
by SmokyMountain
I stopped fairing and decided to go ahead and flip the boat and glass / install the stringers / bulkhead etc... and then re-flip to finish fairing and painting.

The hull freshly flipped.
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After the flip we test fit the bulkhead and stringers. Everything looked good. I saw a few adjustment that will need to be made but overall I'm pleased.
Image

I'll start filleting and taping this weekend.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 11:16 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Ahhhhhhh. There they are I knew they were coming :roll:

Looks almost as good as in person

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 11:22 am
by Joe H
From looking at those pictures it looks like you need to support that bow
but it's looking good though
Now it makes sense, I can't believe you abandoned me on the fairing, but I understand why, mine I can only flip mine once.

Looking good, I'm happy to hear everything fit pretty nice. How do you maintain such a beautiful yard and build a boat, and get in all the fishing you do???

Joe

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:23 pm
by SmokyMountain
I've been filleting / taping the interior of the boat. I was worried about getting to the keel line to fillet and tape... 8O I didn't want to break anything( because of my fat a$$ :help: ). Finally had to and not a creak... :P I have to say this is a lot more fun than faring.... Joe, you have just about gotten over the hump... I just put mine mountain off..

Wetting out the chine tape..
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Bottom half of the transom double taped with 2" overlap.

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Wetting out the keel line.
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I'm planning on installing the clamp board before I fillet / tape the sides of the transom. I went back and found some posts from Bassumun where Jacques told him he could used marine ply for the clamping board. The plans call for a 1" x 2" deep clamping board. I'm going to use 2 - 1/2 okume pieces and laminate with some get magic. I have some mahogany but there is a slight warp in some of it which will be difficult to make look good. I'll use that stuff for under deck support for trolling motors etc..

As far as laminating do I need to drill some weep holes for excess epoxy :help: or just make sure there is enough but not too much.

Next week I'll be down at Port St Joe / Cape San Blas. (Probably the last visit for the fore foreseeable future :| I think the oil will devastate the place. I don't think there oil there yet but soon....) When I get back, I'll fiberglass the interior and start on the stringers / bulkheads..

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:49 pm
by Cracker Larry
Looks great Andy. No need for weep holes, just smear em good with a notched trowel and don't clamp too tight.

I hear the oil in coming ashore a Pensacola. Won't be long :cry:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:09 am
by cape man
How do you keep that shelf in the background so neat and organized? :lol: :lol: :lol: (I'll show you my barn someday :oops: :oops: :oops: ). Looking good Andrew! That pic really shows how big that boat is.

Image

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:12 pm
by Cracker Larry
No need for weep holes, just smear em good with a notched trowel and don't clamp too tight.
One more tip Andy that makes life easier. Dry fit the clamping board to the transom and clamp it exactly in place, then drill a couple of holes for alignment dowels. Drill them through the clamping board and blind stopped about halfway through the transom. Remove everything, spread the glue on all the pieces, insert dowels in transom, slip clamping board over dowels and clamp snug.

Wet epoxy glue is worse than grease and and clamping pressure makes the parts slide all over the place. A couple of dowels will prevent much frustration :wink:

So, I hear you might be coming to Edisto next week, instead of Florida?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:32 pm
by SmokyMountain
Wet epoxy glue is worse than grease and and clamping pressure makes the parts slide all over the place. A couple of dowels will prevent much frustration

So, I hear you might be coming to Edisto next week, instead of Florida?
Larry,

Thanks for the tip. I was pondering "grease effect" when Bradley gave me a call and said read this post.

We're watching the oil situation closely and may have to make a last second decision Wednesday / Thrusday...If we head to Edisto, I'll be giving you a call. :P

Capeman,

That shelf only looks neat and organized... It's more of a jumble of semi-related items... I can find stuff when I need to, but that's about it.... to many hobbies and not enough time..:help:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 6:11 pm
by Joe H
Andrew,
Looks great, your at where I want to be!

I laminated my transom and did as Larry say's with the dowels, worked great, and it probably goes without saying but place it on something flat and use weights not clamps as I did, it could warp as it's drying, ask me how I know, huh, don't ask me how I know. You'll have to give me some pics of your boat craddle, I have to build mine to support a little excess weight plus the keel of my boat can only be an inch or 2 off the floor so I can get it out of the garage when it's done, I'll need the head room.
Joe, you have just about gotten over the hump...


I always seem to find a way to make that hump larger then it has to be! See "Boat builders hall of shame"

Joe

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:51 pm
by Cracker Larry
it probably goes without saying but place it on something flat
Sure going to be hard to place this transom flat :doh:


Image

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:38 am
by Joe H
Sure going to be hard to place this transom flat
Ha, disregard. :oops:

I'm taking the day off of work today, it's needed.

Joe

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 12:51 pm
by SmokyMountain
Well... I got the clamp board laminated (thanks for the dowel idea CL ), attached to the transom and taped. I've fitted the interior fiberglass and should be glassing today / tomorrow. I'm going to try my best to do wet on wet. After that I'll start fitting / installing the bulkheads and stringers....

Clamp board clamped and screwed at the bottom

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Clamp board filleted and taped. I filleted the bottom of the clamp board so the tape and glass mat would fit over without any air bubbles. I had a few bubbles; with a little of excess epoxy, I added some silica to make a paste to fill the voids while wet... worked like a charm.



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Fiberglass fitted. I ran out of mat. I'll have to order some more to cover the upper part of the sheer.

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And suggestions for fitting the bullheads / stringers would be appreciated.

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 3:03 pm
by TomW
Andrew the stringers are not a problem just cut a couple of cross braces with slots for them and clamp. This will hold them upright and square for the bulkheads. I build a few of this type of clamp out of 2 x 8 or glued up 1/2" ply and they will hold a perfect 90 degrees. 2 x 8 unless tight grain tend to break.
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For the Bulkheads you will need to cut out the corners to make up for the added fiberglass there. No need to do so for the bottoms layers. It will depend on how big your filet was but maybe take off a 1/2 - 3/4" angle off each corner and a little less on the keel. Just take a look at it and you can figure out what you need to do on each bulkhead.

Your moving along!

Tom

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:51 pm
by steve292
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I set the stringers up with the frames, like this.
& to set out the frame bits I screwed 2 1"x1" together to make a simple jig to hold all 3 bits in line while they tacked up
Image
Steve

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:06 am
by Doc_Dyer
Ahhhhh don't you have some pictures to post :doh:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 11:13 am
by cape man
Thanks Bradley (I get you two confused for some reason)! Come on man, we want pics!!!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:53 pm
by SmokyMountain
Thanks Bradley (I get you two confused for some reason)! Come on man, we want pics!!!
OK..OK :D Here are some pics from this weekend's activities...

Bradley and I glassed the interior, except for the side, Friday evening. A big glassing job goes a lot faster with two, especially if you want to glass wet on wet. Thanks Brad!!

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I finished glassing the the sides and one required extra layer of tape on the keel. Since interior glass was dry, I went over with some 60 grit real quick to give it some bite.

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Tomorrow / this week, I start fitting the stringers and bulkheads. Making progress...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:10 pm
by Aripeka Angler
The boat is looking great Andy :) I look forward to seeing it on the water next year. Nice work :!:

Everything is a go for the fishing trip 8) We will see you guys in a couple of weeks....

Richard

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 10:21 pm
by Doc_Dyer
SmokyMountain wrote: Thanks Brad!!
.
No problem anytime
Since we now have aprons :roll:
I won't have to drive home with epoxy on my big belly :oops:

Bradley

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:06 am
by cape man
Nice work guys. Two sets of hands definitely make those big pieces go down easier. She stiffened up did she not?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:26 pm
by SmokyMountain
She stiffened up did she not?
It was quite noticeable when walking in the hull 8). Can't wait until the stringers/bulkheads and shear clamps installed.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:41 pm
by Joe H
Looks great Andrew, I hope to be at the same stage very soon, as soon as my wrist heals I'll be back at it, did your plans call for glassing the complete interior hull sides? I think mine plans call for 6" up from the chine, I better check.

Can't wait to see the stringers in!
Good luck fishing with the guy's, wish I could be there.
Joe

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 2:48 pm
by SmokyMountain
I think mine plans call for 6" up from the chine, I better check.

Thanks, Joe. My plans called for 6" only also, but I went ahead and glassed to the top :D It's an enginer thing you understand :help: . I'm not caught up with you.. i have to go back and flip and finish faring... :x

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:16 am
by flyfishingmonk
I found your thread. Amazing boat so far. I'm building a PH 18 and appreciate what you have posted. Very informative.

I look forward to your future posts.

Casey

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 7:39 am
by SmokyMountain
Thanks Casey,

I haven't posted for a while, been busy. I've have the stringers tabbed. I'll fillet and glass them this weekend. I'll post some pics tonight. I've been following your purchasing of hardware too. Like the cleats you purchased. I also primarily fly fish, so we could definitely benefit from each others build. (I plan on the troll and trim... nothing to mess with your fly line :D )

A questions for folks...

1. Thru hull transducer - My understand is that as long as the material is solid, I'm good. I was planning on cutting a hole in the hull this weekend 8O . I figured I would fillet back with glass on either side and a wood flour, silica, chopped glass mix.... is that O.K or should I just stick with straight epoxy with some silica for the interior? I plan to use something like the P79 thru hull; works with Garmin, Lowrance etc..

I also purchased a 3/4" thru hull grated bait well intake. I'll cut that at the same time. I know drill and re-drill. :D Those marleon (sp?) seacocks are expensive :help: The ones I saw at West Marine have fit the 3/4" thru hull treads but the ID looks to be 1/2" :doh: If I using 3/4" id for the intake need a seacock the 3/4' id.... got to do some research.

Also, been looking at fuel tanks. I'm extending my forward casting deck to about a 1 ft before bulkhead "C". So I either can install the tank between A & B , or B and the new false bulkhead. I plan to install the tank starting under the sole level cleated on the two interior stingers and make either a small stinger or a few small bulkhead to hold the tank underneath on a solid ply platform. The tank would stick up through the sole level approx. 10" or so. I plan to build removable box above sole level around the tank to seal off / protect but make it where I can access the tank, and use the rest of the space as locker storage. I want somewhere around a 25 gallon tank. After looking at Moeller, I found a 31 gallon tank (No 032631)that fits the dimensions I need ... a little big, but a little more capacity never hurts. I may go with a custom Aluminum... :doh: Haven't check price differences.

Before I start installing bulkhead need to be sure I have all the holes I need cut complete.


Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:20 am
by flyfishingmonk
Andrew,

I am planning on using the Troll and Trim as well. I just hate fishing around those things in the front. Did you see which bow nav light I picked up? Since you fly fish as well you may be interested in what I found.

Here is the link. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001B0 ... ss_product When flipped over it is very flush.

My new deck fills should arrive in the next couple of business days as well. The first ones I ordered set up to high. We'll see how flush these new ones are.

What are your thoughts on push pole holders that mount in the deck? I like the Attwood version. Did you find one you liked?

Glad we connected!

Casey

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:55 pm
by SmokyMountain
Got to work on the boat this weekend. Havn't put enough time in the last few weeks :cry: I got the stringers tabbed last week and the outside two stringers filleted and glassed today.

One of the tabbing fillets. I used a 1" radius and then went back over on the entire stringer with a 1-1/4" fillet. I also use 1/8" dowel spacers for the stringers to get the separation needed.... cheap and easy :D

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All of the stringers tabbed.
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Outside stringer glassed.
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I'm hoping to fillet and glass the two inner stringers this week and fit / tab in the bulkheads this weekend. Got to make sure I have all of the holes cut in the bulkheads for chase tubes etc...

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:41 am
by flyfishingmonk
Looks awesome! Thanks for posting the pics. I am so glad you are about 10 steps ahead of me. Helps me a lot.

Sincerely,

Casey

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 7:28 am
by Cracker Larry
Looking good Andy 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:59 pm
by majorgator
Just caught up with the thread...really looking good now. After I completed the stringers in my XF20, I immediately felt better about my progress.

seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:02 am
by SmokyMountain
After I completed the stringers in my XF20, I immediately felt better about my progress.
Absolutely!!! I'm itching to get the bulkhead fitted.... It seem like right now there is a lot of things to consider so I can try to pre-cut on the bulkheads now instead of when there in the boat. Can be a little overwhelming. :help:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:12 am
by cottontop
Anybody ever tell you what fine glass work you do? She's really coming along now. John

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:11 am
by SmokyMountain
Anybody ever tell you what fine glass work you do? She's really coming along now.
Thanks!!! It's because I'm cheap and hate to waste epoxy :D , so I try to go lean... it's the engineer in me 8O . She's coming slowing but surely.... my goal is this spring for the 2011 meet.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:18 am
by SmokyMountain
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I finally got the stringers all glassed in and starting the final fit for the bulkheads.

I have a question: :?: :help: I have notched the stringers and bulkheads. In the notches do I need an 1/16" or 1/8" space of goo/peanut butter so there is not a hard point? I think I know the answer but just confirming.

Thanks

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 12:16 pm
by TomW
Andrew you can actually have the bulkheads sitting on the bottoms as long as the entire bulkhead is doing so. It is you have a small area sitting and the rest not that you have a hard spot. Just go with a 1/16", Shine uses the popsicle stick stirrers if he needs to as do I. It will save you on epoxy also. If you want to go with 1/8" there is no problem with that either.

Things are looking really good on your boat! 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:01 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Andrew,

I asked the dealer that I purchased the Trim and Troll set up from if they had any more in stock. They didn't. However, he is going to check his distributor to see if they have any. I encouraged him to try to work a year-end-deal for you. We'll see if he comes up with anything.

Sincerely,

Casey

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:23 am
by SmokyMountain
I've got the all the bulkheads tabbed in except for "C". I'll finish filleting and taping them this weekend. I have to cut "C" to the shape I want. I'm going to deviate from the plans so I can incorporate a rod box along the sheer.

Proposed section.
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The green is the original design. The cyan (lt. blue) is the proposed. The white are the cleats / sheer clamp and purple is the proposed box.

I haven't quite figured out how the hinge will work, but I'm picturing a stainless piano type underneath along the entire length of the box attached to the sheer clamp. (appox 4.5 ft) I would like to get some opinions before I cut this bulkhead. Anyone see any potential problems?? or Jedi wisdom :help:

Here are the rod lockers / box in plan view. The bottom of the box will be cut out where needed so reels can hang down. PVC pipe will be used for the rod fore and aft of the box.

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Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:29 am
by Cracker Larry
Looks good to me Andy 8) Nice drawings! What program do you do that with?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:10 am
by Doc_Dyer
Larry,
He uses AutoCAD
He uses it everyday at work.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:16 am
by Cracker Larry
Looks like he knows how 8) You do that also, don't you? I'm fishing for some help on a project of mine here :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:18 am
by SmokyMountain
Looks like he knows how You do that also, don't you? I'm fishing for some help on a project of mine here

Let me know what you need help on, I'll do it. Give me a call. :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:25 am
by Cracker Larry
I'm going to take all the measurements and draw up plans for this little boat I'm restoring. Then I'd like it done up professionally in CAD. Is that a lot of work on your part? I know you don't have anything else to do :lol:

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:38 am
by Joe H
He uses AutoCAD
We call it KinderCad (Kindergarten) up hear in the Autoworld! ha :lol: ha, just messing with ya, very nice drawing.

Joe H

BTW:
If the boy's don't have the time I'd be willing to draw it up on CAD for ya too Larry.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:19 pm
by Cracker Larry
Thanks Joe, but Bradley already called and offered to do it 8) Sure is great having friends :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:46 pm
by SmokyMountain
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He uses AutoCAD

We call it KinderCad (Kindergarten) up hear in the Autoworld! ha ha, just messing with ya, very nice drawing

Yeah, I say you auto guys use some robust 3-D programs..... better you than me. :D The only 3-D stuff I do is contouring / profiles / sections.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:09 pm
by macs
Google Sketchup is a cool program and it's free. Takes just a few seconds to download and there are a lot of tutorials on the web

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:50 pm
by Doc_Dyer
macs wrote:Google Sketchup is a cool program and it's free. Takes just a few seconds to download and there are a lot of tutorials on the web
This is true but in the time it takes to learn just a couple of things, an experienced cad person could have the whole thing done

Just a thought
I'm no expert but I am proficient 8)
Bradley

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 7:14 am
by majorgator
This is true but in the time it takes to learn just a couple of things, an experienced cad person could have the whole thing done
Haha, that's right! I un-installed sketch-up on my computer...I'll just stick with AutoCAD.

Andy - I like the idea of the rod locker. I toyed with the idea of doing that on my XF20, but strayed away from it in lieu of just having under-gunwale rod storage. I thought it would be nice to lock up my rods and gear, but then when I wondered how many times I've actually needed that in my life, it was very few.

I'm still following your thread, though I may not be commenting much. Have fun, and keep it up!

seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:21 pm
by Uncle D
I've been away for a long time and am just now going back to my build that I stopped working on a year ago under "Don's PH-18 Tunnel". I have enjoyed reading this thread and am going to try to get caught back up to speed on my project. Looking forward to more of your progress. Thanks, Don

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:58 pm
by flyfishingmonk
I agree Don! I find it helpful too!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:03 pm
by SmokyMountain
Thanks Don and Casey,

I'm looking forward to see your builds' too. I'm glad you all can learn from my build...I'm definitely leaning as I go. :help:

Well, this weekend I finished filleting and sanding bulkheads A, B, D and E. I haven't had a chance to cut out C yet, but will soon. Sanding those fillets was a pain, but I got a new Dremmel sander / cutter / scraper. The triangular sander really got in the hard to reach fillets with good pressure and made quick work. I got 50 grit and cut to the shape of the sander with some overlap. Cheaper than the Dremmel custom pads and I like the overlap. I also have to flow coat the bulkheads to seal them where they won't be glassed... should have done that before installation but was too impatient. I'll have to do that verticle. :cry: .

Here are some pics:

Bulkheads A & B. Got the glass tape cut out and ready to glass.
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Bulkheads D & E
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Fillets close-up
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I wanted to try wet on wet but the EZ fillet kicks way too quickly. I guess you could fillet and then glass each bulkhead. I opted to fillet everything and sand. I would like to get everything glassed this weekend, but fall break has arrived and I'm committed to taking the family for a long weekend trip to Disney World 8O . Not really my kind of place, but I guess the kids have to go at least once...(I'm not a commercial crowds type of guy) My wife keeps threatening me that she's going to take my Mom instead of me. :roll: I wish she would follow through with her threats :D :D . A weekend distraction free to work on the boat... now that's a vacation :D .

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 7:29 am
by cape man
Beautiful fillets! Let the Mom take them all. I can't see you enjoying the Rat. :lol: :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:54 am
by SmokyMountain
Beautiful fillets! Let the Mom take them all. I can't see you enjoying the Rat.

Thanks! If you see in the paper E. TN man kills someone while standing in line you'll know who it is 8O . Yeah, I might enjoying eating a rat if I was hungry, but not staying with one. :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 5:07 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Andrew,

I have a question about the boat stand.

I am building the stand and was curious about the height. I am planning on starting with the hull upside down on top of the bulkheads and stringers. I'm thinking about 2 feet high for the deck and then sitting on top of that for the bulkheads and stringers. I think this would place the keel between say 4 and 5 feet. I'm six feet tall so this may help keep me from leaning over to much.

Should I go higher? Lower? I really want to avoid to much bending over.

Thanks,

Casey

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:59 pm
by SmokyMountain
I have a question about the boat stand.

I am building the stand and was curious about the height. I am planning on starting with the hull upside down on top of the bulkheads and stringers. I'm thinking about 2 feet high for the deck and then sitting on top of that for the bulkheads and stringers. I think this would place the keel between say 4 and 5 feet. I'm six feet tall so this may help keep me from leaning over to much.

Should I go higher? Lower? I really want to avoid to much bending over.
Casey,

My strongback is 11" high including the casters. When I stitched the boat the deck level of the bulkheads were about 1 foot higher or a total of about 2 ft from the floor. I wouldn't go any higher. (I'm 6 ft tall too.) The keel will be around 5 ft or so as you said, but the width of the boat will make it hard to reach. You will have problems reaching the keel if any higher. You'll have to bend over when sanding the sheer. Even with the two feet to the deck level, I was using a small step ladder to reach the keel when glassing / taping / filleting.

Hope this helps.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 1:56 am
by flyfishingmonk
Andrew

This does. Thank you very much.

Casey

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:09 pm
by Joe H
Very nice work Andrew, I too am keeping a close eye on your build, I hope to be starting the interior on my build soon and I'll need all the helpfull hints I can get.

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:29 pm
by cape man
You know what's really fun while standing in the ridiculously long and very expensive lines at Disney? Making loud and annoying sounds like a cow in a shoot. My wife and kids were especially fond of that behavior...next time they were happy to go without me.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:43 pm
by SmokyMountain
Very nice work Andrew, I too am keeping a close eye on your build, I hope to be starting the interior on my build soon and I'll need all the helpfull hints I can get.
Thanks Joe,

Once I get the bulkheads taped and the shear clamp in I've got to flip and finish the hull :help: :help: Not really look forward to that. Looking forward to seeing your interior take shape.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:45 pm
by SmokyMountain
You know what's really fun while standing in the ridiculously long and very expensive lines at Disney? Making loud and annoying sounds like a cow in a shoot. My wife and kids were especially fond of that behavior...next time they were happy to go without me.
That a great idea Capeman... :D :D :D I'll give that a try!!!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:00 pm
by cape man
I have good friends who work there. Don't tell them I posted this..

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:34 pm
by flyfishingmonk
This thread is awesome.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 10:41 pm
by Cracker Larry
My wife's brother works there too Andy. What they say is true :lol: You'd have to pay me to go visit Mickey again :help:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 9:23 am
by topwater
I have taken my kids down there three different times and always went down in the off season, there were no lines :)
Thats the only way i would ever do it. thank god my kids are old enough that i wont be going back :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 11:35 am
by Joe H
The one-and-only time I went there with the kids I lost my temper with the ice cream vendor, you know your way past your tolerance point when that happens. :help: It's a good thing Mickey wasn't around!

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:33 pm
by SmokyMountain
Got back from the RAT unscathed (hate to admit that I had a decent time....kids loved it) one more day would have gone past my tolerance level for crowds :) .
I saw some monster large mouth (8-10lbs) in the lake at Epcot 8O . I wonder if anyone would notice if I brought in a rod :wink:

Well, last weekend I taped bulkheads A,B,D and E... took most of the day. I pre-wet the tape in a paint roller liner and installed. That was a lot easer than putting on dry and trying to roll / paint / spread the epoxy. I also re-drew and fit bulkhead C for the rod locker. I cut that out and tabbed this evening so it would be ready to fillet and tape for the early weekend work.

Bulkheads D and E taped. I haven't sanded them yet, but will this weekend.
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Bulkheads A&B
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Drawing Bulkhead C
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Bulkhead C tabbed
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This weekend I plan to finish out "C" and go to Jefferies woodworks and get some ash for the sheer clamps. The plans call for 1"x2" clamps nominal. I'm going to try to laminate 2 - 1/2" deep strips and stagger the joints. This may be two thick...I guess I'll find out. When I was drawing / modifing "C" in CAD, I placed the 1x2 sheer clamp with the outside edge of the wood even witht the top of the sheer. This would leave a small triangle to fill with peanut butter. I took the area and estimated how much fillet would be required (I know it's a engineer thing, sorta like a disease :help: ) It was like 3 quarts !!! 8O I'm going move the shear up and rip a small corner off. See the Cad drawing of bulkhead C from a couple of weeks ago for a picutre of what I'm talking about...hard to explain....

After / during the sheet clamp installation, I have to cut a couple of holes and refill for the thru hull transducer and bait well intake...I don't like drilling holes in my boat :( . These will be located in the sump area (like Cracker Larry's).

Once that is complete, I plan on flipping the boat and finish faring :( and then prime the entire outside hull. I'll then paint the bottom to the chine. I won't paint the sheer until after I have all of my holes drilled / refilled and on my trailer / strong back right side up. Once I re-flip for the last time, I plan on having a trailer to set it on and finish her out.

Hope I'm not missing anything. :doh:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:01 pm
by flyfishingmonk
I'm learning a lot. Thanks for the posts.

Casey

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:43 am
by Bowmovement
cape man wrote:You know what's really fun while standing in the ridiculously long and very expensive lines at Disney? Making loud and annoying sounds like a cow in a shoot. My wife and kids were especially fond of that behavior...next time they were happy to go without me.
That's funny you say that. I do the same thing when in long lines and my wife hates it.

Matt

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:55 am
by Uncle D
SmokyMountain wrote:Got back from the RAT unscathed (hate to admit that I had a decent time....kids loved it) one more day would have gone past my tolerance level for crowds :) .
I saw some monster large mouth (8-10lbs) in the lake at Epcot 8O . I wonder if anyone would notice if I brought in a rod :wink:

Well, last weekend I taped bulkheads A,B,D and E... took most of the day. I pre-wet the tape in a paint roller liner and installed. That was a lot easer than putting on dry and trying to roll / paint / spread the epoxy. I also re-drew and fit bulkhead C for the rod locker. I cut that out and tabbed this evening so it would be ready to fillet and tape for the early weekend work.

Bulkheads D and E taped. I haven't sanded them yet, but will this weekend.
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Bulkheads A&B
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Drawing Bulkhead C
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Bulkhead C tabbed
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This weekend I plan to finish out "C" and go to Jefferies woodworks and get some ash for the sheer clamps. The plans call for 1"x2" clamps nominal. I'm going to try to laminate 2 - 1/2" deep strips and stagger the joints. This may be two thick...I guess I'll find out. When I was drawing / modifing "C" in CAD, I placed the 1x2 sheer clamp with the outside edge of the wood even witht the top of the sheer. This would leave a small triangle to fill with peanut butter. I took the area and estimated how much fillet would be required (I know it's a engineer thing, sorta like a disease :help: ) It was like 3 quarts !!! 8O I'm going move the shear up and rip a small corner off. See the Cad drawing of bulkhead C from a couple of weeks ago for a picutre of what I'm talking about...hard to explain....

After / during the sheet clamp installation, I have to cut a couple of holes and refill for the thru hull transducer and bait well intake...I don't like drilling holes in my boat :( . These will be located in the sump area (like Cracker Larry's).

Once that is complete, I plan on flipping the boat and finish faring :( and then prime the entire outside hull. I'll then paint the bottom to the chine. I won't paint the sheer until after I have all of my holes drilled / refilled and on my trailer / strong back right side up. Once I re-flip for the last time, I plan on having a trailer to set it on and finish her out.

Hope I'm not missing anything. :doh:
Did you cut the walkaround (or whatever it's called) on bulkhead C that far below the top of the sheer on purpose??

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:24 pm
by SmokyMountain
Did you cut the walkaround (or whatever it's called) on bulkhead C that far below the top of the sheer on purpose??
Yes, I'm going to build a rod box on top with a hatch. I'll have pvc tube both fore and aft for rods. Go up a couple of pages and you can see a cross section I did in CAD.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:56 pm
by SmokyMountain
I got Bulkhead C glassed in and the first layer of shear clamps fitted. I had to kerf the clamp around the bow area from bulkhead B about every 6 inches. I'm using 1/2" ash. Plan to get the 1st layer of clamps glued in this week.


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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:07 am
by SmokyMountain
While I've been busy with the family, I have managed to get some work done on the boat. :wink: Soccer season is finally over which means more production on the boat. I've got the sheer clamps installed, the thru hull transducer location drilled/ filled and the bait well pick-up drilled / filled. I'll be having a boat flipping party tomorrow...so it your in the E. TN area come on by. I plan on finishing the faring and then prime / paint ASAP. :help: I really want to take this thing to the 2010 boat meet.

Final sheer clamp lamination on the starboard side.
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Bait well pick-up and thru hull transducer location.
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Close-up of thru hull transducer location. I used a forstner bit to cut through the hull but save the outside fiberglass. Once I got to the last little bit of wood, I used a wood chisel to scrap the rest off the outside fiberglass. I then filled with milled glass, chopped fiber glass and silica.
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I'm going to to the final painting to the chine and just prime the sheer. I don't know where all of the thru hull locations will be located and don't really want to drill on the final topcoat. I'm going to wait to install the bow eye until I get my trailer. I'm making progress slowly but surely. Any suggestions / comments appreciated.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:25 am
by topwater
Looking good :!: I dont think you have enough clamps 8O

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:47 pm
by cape man
Went by you last week on the way from Virginia to Greenville SC (picked up an outboard from Rob Eades...thanks again Rob). Would have helped you flip it then but aint driving back up this weekend :D :D Can't wait to see her in Boca! You can do it!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:51 pm
by SmokyMountain
I dont think you have enough clamps
:D :D :D I was thinking the same thing!!! :D :D Most of those are Bradley's (Doc-Dyer) on loan... he got them on sale the other day so he could clamp his rub rails on his V10 build.

Went by you last week on the way from Virginia to Greenville SC
Your welcome to stay / visit ...take you fishing anytime.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:19 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Looking great Andy! If I need some clamps, I will know who to call now :lol:

I love this picture, it so reminds me of my work area :)


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Keep up the great work, I want a ride on that fine boat at Boca in 2011....

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 5:24 am
by TomW
Andy did you get it flipped I was going to come up but the day went by. Forgot to get directions and then spent part of my day in my auto mechanics shop. Let me know for the next time. Anytime during the week is great weekends not so good. But I'll definately be there. I'm going to try to flip mine the middle of Dec, end of Dec.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:26 am
by SmokyMountain
Flipped the boat Friday. Only took a few minutes. Tom, It wouldn't be worth the drive :D . Bradley and a couple of guys from work came by ...easy breeze... now for the faring... :help: :help: :help:

It looks like a phantom
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Let he final faring begin :help:
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:10 am
by majorgator
fair...sand...fair...sand...repeat until you're ready to throw her in the burn pile :wink: :wink: Are you going with a painted bottom or graphite??

seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 11:05 am
by SmokyMountain
Are you going with a painted bottom or graphite??
I'm going with paint. I'll be using white sterling for the bottom to the chine line and transom. I plan on a sterling dark blue for the sheer. The interior will be mostly kwick grip. I haven't decided if I'll go with white or a off-white. Probably an off-white to reduce glare.

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2010 12:29 pm
by cape man
SWEET!!!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:02 am
by Joe H
Congrads on the flip, I better get back on my build if I wanna catch up.
(I know it's a engineer thing, sorta like a disease )
To the optimist, the glass is half-full.
To the pessimist, the glass is half-empty.
To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be
I really want to take this thing to the 2010 boat meet.
Your boat missed that one, hope to see you & your boat in 2011. :lol:

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:05 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Andrew,

It appears you used just fiberglass for the splices on your stringers? Did you like that or would you recommend the butt blocks?
Do you have any pointers for me on them.

Thanks!

Casey

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:53 pm
by SmokyMountain
It appears you used just fiberglass for the splices on your stringers? Did you like that or would you recommend the butt blocks?
Yes, I used fiberglass splices. I liked the thinner section so it wouldn't conflict with the bulkheads. I would recommend the splices. They are plenty strong. As far as pointers. I cut some osb to elevate the splices and put some osb on top to distribute the pressure evenly. .. see pic below. Be sure to put some plastic down so they won't stick to the wood. 8O I also did the same for the panels.

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:55 pm
by SmokyMountain
ongrads on the flip, I better get back on my build if I wanna catch up.
Thanks Joe. Love the eng. joke ... so true... yeah I missed that one by a year :oops: .

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:02 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Hey Andy, congratulations on the flip. I know you are excited :)
The interior will be mostly kwick grip. I haven't decided if I'll go with white or a off-white. Probably an off-white to reduce glare.
Just a suggestion, check out the cream Sterling. Joel told me about it and I used it on my repaint. He has a Kiwigrip cream that almost exactly matches it. The S-3 orcas white that I originally painted my topside with was way too bright for a flats boat. I think that cream Sterling would match just about any other paint as well....

Richard

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:23 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Thanks Andy!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 7:11 am
by SmokyMountain
Hey Andy, congratulations on the flip. I know you are excited
Thanks Richard. I'll be more excited when I'm done fairing... :help: My arms a still sore from sanding all weekend. Someone could make a lot of money if they had an electric fairing board that flexed.... Hopefully, I fair the boat and sand one more time before primer..... probably wishful thinking.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2010 10:48 am
by tech_support
I have played with these at trade shows and was temped to get one. They are working on one that is electric powered :) Seems like you could retro fit an air file motor to their regular flexible board. On a big project it would sure be nice.

http://flexicat-tools.com/flexicat-products.php

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:19 am
by AussieBoater
Joel, I wish you didn't post that link, Now I want one!!! lol

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:50 am
by SmokyMountain
oel, I wish you didn't post that link, Now I want one!!! lol

Me too :!: :!: That would make like a lot easier.... we all could pitch in and mail it around we someone needs to fair... :idea:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:06 pm
by flyfishingmonk
So any chance you guys may put together a group to pick up that sanding Flexicat?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:10 pm
by AussieBoater
lol that's wishful thinking Casey... I'd love to have one though.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 9:36 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Wishful thinking gets me pretty far. 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:16 am
by stickystuff
Awhile back I was ciber jumping and came upon a web site(boat building) where this guy took a belt sander and made an extended front bar that extended the front roller on his belt sander approx. 24". maybe more. Any how he got some longer belts and installed them on it, The distance between front and rear gave him a bow type finish. This allowed him to sand radius bottoms while moving back and forth. Looked pretty cool. My experience with belt sander is to keep it moving back and forth or you will cut into your material to fast and cause grooves which is not good when trying to fair a hull. Just be patient and you will appreciate the finish when its all done and finished.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:45 am
by SmokyMountain
Yeah, I strongly considered getting one of the Flexicat long boards, but I'm getting close to finishing the fairing with my homemade ones... :D If I build another boat, (which I will eventually) 8O I'll invest in some "professional" long boards. I used a friends air file on the stern areas where it is flatter and worked pretty good, but my air compressor is a smaller 20-25 gallon and doesn't have the power needed for extended use. I'll post some pics this soon.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:06 am
by Cracker Larry
I borrowed an air file, and my little 10 gallon compressor could not begin to supply it with enough air to run longer than a few seconds at a time :? Oh well, back to the old fashion method :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 8:33 am
by SmokyMountain
Between the fairing :cry: :cry: , I've extended the spray rail to the bow so it will look better. I've got to fill in the kerfs, match the cross-section with the existing rail by filling in with some peanut butter and cover with a light layer of glass. I think it will look a lot better..... Bradley has been bugging the he** out of me to change it... he was right :oops: .

Looking form the bottom.

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Looking from the top. (I took this pic upside down and rotated the pic.)
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Also, after looking though the stake out stick threads and seeing the new Minn Kota Talon (thanks Casey- more money to spend :D ), I think I'll take a hybrid approach. I plan on installing the Talon on the stern and dilling a hole a few inches from the bow 8O and fitting a stake out stick through the deck. The tubing would be flush on the deck and cut at an angle to match the stem line when not in use. I would get the tube fabricated with a flange to attach to a wood cleat and bed it in 5200. I'll have to make me a fancy handle like Richard and Larry. :D I think that would work well in the wind. Can anyone think of problems with that configuration :?:

Hopefully I'll be priming the bottom this weekend for a final check of highs and lows..

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:08 am
by Doc_Dyer
ahhh, that looks a LOT better, thanks now I can sleep :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:49 am
by Cracker Larry
The tubing would be flush on the deck and cut at an angle to match the stem line when not in use. I would get the tube fabricated with a flange to attach to a wood cleat and bed it in 5200.
That's what Richard just did with his XF20, did you see that? I think it will work great! I can get the tube fabbed for you if you don't have a source.

Boat is looking great :!:

Bradley, did you get my email last night?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:58 am
by Doc_Dyer
CL,
yes I did thanks.

have you been good this year?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 9:59 am
by Cracker Larry
Of course :!: Do you want my address too?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:00 am
by Doc_Dyer
already have it :wink:

now the real question is " does Santa know where you live?"

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 10:17 am
by Cracker Larry
Yeah, he's got a new Droid with Google Earth maps :lol: Otherwise I'm not easy to find!

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 12:25 pm
by SmokyMountain
That's what Richard just did with his XF20, did you see that? I think it will work great! I can get the tube fabbed for you if you don't have a source.
Yeah, I saw the picture but didn't really equate it to the bow. I had been playing around with the idea for while and didn't seriously consider it until I saw the Talon. I didn't want to buy two to stabilize the boat. I may take you up on the fabrication once I get the boat flipped back and configure the cleats; I'll see what I need.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 2:36 pm
by Cracker Larry
That white stake that looks like it's leaning against the wall goes through the bow deck.

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:18 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Wow - things are really coming together!

You may have already looked at these...

Here are a couple bow mount stake out anchor mounts that may work as an alternative to putting a hole in your boat. Just a thought.

http://dig-in-anchors.com/Power_Pole_Sh ... r_Anchors/

http://www.stickitanchorpins.com/brake.html

Casey

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:38 am
by tech_support
nice sculpting work. Those are very large spray rails, they should work very well

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:04 am
by SmokyMountain
Here are a couple bow mount stake out anchor mounts that may work as an alternative to putting a hole in your boat. Just a thought.

Thanks Casey. I'll like the dig-in bow mount. I need to see if it can be configured as a quick disconnect....something else to consider :help:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:23 pm
by flyfishingmonk
You bet. Maybe those links/products will come in handy.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:51 am
by Aripeka Angler
Hey Andy, your boat is looking great 8) I love the spray rails. That should keep Bradley dry up front...

Here are some pics of the trailers you wanted me to check out for you at the factory in Ocala, Florida. The trailers seem to be well built and setup. I would get the stainless upgrade package for the hardware. I took alot of pictures but most of them are of bigger trailers than the one you will need for your Phantom.

Here is a photo of a big trailer with the factory in the background so you will know where your trailer is going to be built...

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This is the only one they had in stock that is about the size you will need for your boat. The shop foreman there said the leadtime right now is about 5 days for custom built trailers...

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I have alot more pictures of brakes and springs and such, let me know if you need to see anything else.
Have a Merry Christmas my friend :)

Richard

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:50 am
by SmokyMountain
Thanks Richard!! :D :D I really appreciate you taking a look. I'll be giving him a call early next week to make an order. :D It's hard to find any used aluminum trailers in East Tennessee so might as well go new.

I have the next 11 days off... the goal is to have the boat completely faired and primed and ready to paint.

Since we have been on the subject of chart-plotters (in other posts), I've been considering a Raymarine A57d or a C80 with the fish finder module anyone have experience with these products?

Here a link to their site: http://www.raymarine.com/Default.aspx?s ... 2&page=122 I've found much better prices than they advertise.

I've ruled out Lowrance (bad past experience) and Garmin ( not good in shallow water).

I'm going to try to bundle my min-kota Talon, trim -n- troll and the chartplotter combo with someone to get a good deal.

I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas!!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:28 am
by Doc_Dyer
well, since Andrew wont post a pic, ( he's getting to be like someone else lately :oops: )

here is a picture of his build.... this is the bottom with a cover coat to seal the microholes on the bottom.

Sanding with 150 and then PRIMER.. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

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Bradley

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:28 pm
by tech_support
if that is all the fairing he had to use, then congratulations are in order :)

thanks for the picture Bradley

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:44 pm
by SmokyMountain
if that is all the fairing he had to use, then congratulations are in order
Let's hope congratulations are in order :D I sanded a lot of it off. It looks fair...the first coat of primer will tell the tale... :help:

This is what it looked like before sanding and fairing and sanding and sanding .... you get the point.

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To be honest I've felt a little lost with the fairng ... we'll see...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:57 pm
by Cracker Larry
Looks good Andy, but you'll see just how good after the first coat of primer goes on :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:04 pm
by steve292
Cracker Larry wrote:Looks good Andy, but you'll see just how good after the first coat of primer goes on :lol:
Ain't that the truth 8O
Looks really good tho :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:05 pm
by majorgator
on my xf20 bottom, the 1st coat of primer left me be feeling sour about my fairing job :cry: :cry: :cry: i hope its not the same for you andy...good work!

seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:16 am
by Uncle D
I sure hope my fairing goes as good as yours seems to have gone. If you have any tips, please pass them on. :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:27 pm
by SmokyMountain
I sure hope my fairing goes as good as yours seems to have gone. If you have any tips, please pass them on
Thanks!! I'll let you all know by tomorrow or Saturday... I will either prime tonight or Friday. Seems to have gone well.... we'll see :help: The only tip I have right now is "endeavor to persevere" This fairing process has been an endurance contest for me especially since I'm not sure what I'm doing....its made my arms bigger too. 8O

Thanks for the kind words Seth, Steve and Larry.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:37 pm
by SmokyMountain
Bradley and I painted the 1t coat of primer........ and as far as I can tell my fairing job was pretty good so far. The main thing I've seen were some imperfections (small runs I missed sanding etc..) due to sealing the quick fair with epoxy :x That really annoys me, because I worked hard to get it fair and screwed it up on sealing.....live and learn.

Here are some pics..

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I've go to work on the stakes and skeg a little bit more. I guess I'll spray a guide coat and sand to see what I need to fix. It looks like I can get a second coat on in a couple days, unless I find something really bad..I missed. :help:.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:23 pm
by TomW
That looks real nice! :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 10:51 am
by wegcagle
Nice job. 8) That's an impressive job considering how little quik fair you used 8O Did you put a 6oz layer on the bottom to decrease the fairing or are you just that bad a$$?
Now I see why I used so much more quik fair than you guys. I pretty much caked it on and then sanded 90% back off :oops: Live and learn. I'll do better on my next one. :D

Keep up the good work.

Will

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 10:32 pm
by SmokyMountain
Nice job. That's an impressive job considering how little quik fair you used Did you put a 6oz layer on the bottom to decrease the fairing or are you just that bad a$$?
Thanks Will !! I wish I could say I was a fairing bad a$$, but I sanded most of my fairing off too :oops: . I didn't put down a 6oz layer. I orginally filled the 12oz weave with some thin epoxy / wood flour and just faired.
Yesterday, I sanded down the 1st coat of primer to see the highs and lows. After asking Larry, I started with 80 grit random orbital to knock it down a little and then went to the fairing board :cry:. I have to say the random helps a little, but the board really shows and levels the surface off like it should be.... I'll finish off with 120 grit. I don't have anything too bad but will do a little fairing to get it just right. I plan on getting three coats of primer on this week and let it set. I start on the center console while the primer is setting this weekend. I'll post some pics showing some of the highs / lows tomorrow.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:14 pm
by SmokyMountain
Here's a pic after I sanded down the primer to find the last of the highs and low. I didn't have a whole lot to fix, most of the lows were so small that weren't worth filling....some of the one I filled sanded back out with the fairing board :o .

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I order mt trailer today, should be here in about 10days 8) . Thanks for going down a looking at those trailers. Andy was very helpful.

Couple of questions to the painting inclined: I'm going to put on 3-4 coats of primer and will use Sterling to paint. When sanding the primer the directions say 120,220 and then 320. Do I need to use a fairing board for this or will a random orbital suffice ? Also is 320 grit really necessary?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 10:44 pm
by Cracker Larry
Andy, I ain't no painter, but the smallest grit I used was 220 and it looks pretty dang good. Since you've already got it fair, I'd use the R/O, very carefully :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:18 pm
by TomW
Andy put away the mechanical machines. And for sand paper never go more than 50, 60 grits at a time so 120, 180, 220. Jumping 100grits can leave marks from the previous grit. Keep your touch lite also. Since it is faired your just getting the final finish surface ready.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:16 am
by Cracker Larry
When sanding the primer the directions say 120,220 and then 320.
Read the directions for the Sterling, not the primer. You want to leave some tooth for the paint to grab. Once you get a coat or 2 of topcoat on then you will probably want to sand it between coats. I used 220 for this, hand sanding.
And for sand paper never go more than 50, 60 grits at a time so 120, 180, 220. Jumping 100grits can leave marks from the previous grit. Keep your touch lite also.
I think that's real good advice. Again, I ain't no painter, but with Sterling you don't hardly have to be :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:13 am
by BassMunn
I've just wet sanded primer with 360 grit on the plugs I am making for my fenders and it is already shiny, very shiny. I agree with CL I wouldn't go more than 220 unless you are still showing heavy marks. You need something for that paint to hang onto. And looking at CL's OD18 I think you would be hard pressed to find a scratch mark from too heavy sandpaper 8O

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:37 am
by SmokyMountain
Thanks guys. On more stupid question. When you say hand sanding is that with a fairing board or one of those rubber sanding blocks or just with some paper and you hand :lol: ?

Thanks

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 8:27 am
by Aripeka Angler
SmokyMountain wrote:Thanks guys. On more stupid question. When you say hand sanding is that with a fairing board or one of those rubber sanding blocks or just with some paper and you hand :lol: ?

Thanks
Andy, I like to use the flexible sanding sponges for finish sanding primer. They make it easier to get into the tight places like under the rubrail and around the spray rails. The 180 grit sponges seem to me about the same as 220 paper. I sent some to Murry on here and he loved 'em :)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 9:01 am
by TomW
Andy I wasn't real clear either, I just said put away the mechanical tools. I just use plain sandpaper have for a lot of years, but Richards sponges are a good choice also. For sandpaper I'll fold a sheet in 1/4 and keep it like that. It's flexible enough for curves and rubrails but stiff enough for flat areas.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:04 am
by AussieBoater
when I was painting boats professionally, I always wet sanded the final undercoat with 320. I used AwlGrip and Sterling paints. Never had an issue with adhesion. These were luxury craft, 80' to 130'.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:12 pm
by SmokyMountain
Thanks for the sanding advise guys.

I rolled the 3rd coat of primer on tonight. I may apply one more tomorrow and let it cure until next Saturday.
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I'm going to start on the center console this weekend. 8) I'm excited... no fairing and sanding YEE HAW :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2011 11:19 am
by flyfishingmonk
Wow! That looks great!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:30 am
by majorgator
Looks like we'll be getting done at about the same time. Can't wait to see her in Boca 8)

seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:59 pm
by SmokyMountain
Looks like we'll be getting done at about the same time. Can't wait to see her in Boca
That's the plan!! I've got to really hustle to make Boca.. Can't wait to see yours too.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:47 am
by SmokyMountain
I was laying in bed yesterday thinking about the boat and it struck me that I'm painting next week and don't have a bow eye drilled 8O!! So I drilled and refilled with fast and drilled that night. I'm going to prime the bow eye area this morning to cover any small sanding scratches.
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I cut out the parts for my center console and mocked it up yesterday. The height is 2'-6-1/2" but it feels low. I'm may raise it 6". The width is 2'-6" to accommodate all three batteries side by side, but seems a little wide. The plans call for 2' wide. This leaves me approx. 1'-6" in the cockpit on either side to walk around. Any thoughts?? I'm going to wait until after I flip the boat to make any decisions. :help: :doh:
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Also, right now I have sharp corners on the transom. I probably need to round them to 1/2" radius... Any opinions? Also what's the best method for rounding? :help:

Thanks

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:22 am
by flyfishingmonk
Andrew,

You may get some measurement suggestions from some of these images, especially the first one.

For my console I was planning on filleting the inside and then coming back and rounding over the edges with my router. Maybe it will work for you as well.

http://gallery.bateau2.com/albums/userp ... t_Helm.jpg

http://gallery.bateau2.com/albums/userp ... ontrol.jpg

http://gallery.bateau2.com/albums/userp ... onsole.jpg

http://gallery.bateau2.com/albums/userp ... _Panel.jpg

What are you doing to the backside of the bow eye to make it stronger?

Casey

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:27 am
by SmokyMountain
What are you doing to the backside of the bow eye to make it stronger?
Thanks for the info Casey. As far as the back of the bow eye, I'm going to cut some ash to shape of the stem contour and use as a plate to distribute the load better. C-Larry did that with his.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:28 am
by flyfishingmonk
Great. That's just what I was needing to know.

Thank you.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:21 am
by pole-position
Someone mentioned long ago to leave enough room to be able slide a 5 gallon bucket past the console; I laughed at the comment when I read it initially, but after thinking about it, it does make perfect sense.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:45 pm
by TomW
Sounds way to low guy. You want to be comfortable standing up without leaning down. As far as width that sounds pretty good, just take into accout your gunnel widths and leave room to squeeze by.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:08 pm
by Cracker Larry
The 5 gallon bucket rule is certainly one to follow :wink:

Mine is about 39" high and I wouldn't want it any shorter X 32 1/2" wide. You'll need that to get 2 people behind it. You and Bradley ain't little guys. Here is a very rough drawing if it's any help.

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In retrospect I think it would look better if the top was slightly narrower than the base, and the front was slightly narrower than the rear.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:04 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Cracker Larry wrote:
You and Bradley ain't little guys.
Easy now 8O 8O 8O you callin us FAT :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:


:wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:06 pm
by Doc_Dyer
dag nabbit .....

i just looked in the mirror.....

WHEN DID I GET THIS FAT :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:22 pm
by Cracker Larry
Nope, I'd never call you fat, you're just a big SOB :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:13 pm
by SmokyMountain
Nope, I'd never call you fat, you're just a big SOB
Excellent!! :D :D Hopefully by the meet I'll be a little less big :lol: ... On the console, I'll going to raise it and once the boat is flipped, I'll do the bucket method for width :D . Thanks for the advise guys.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:58 pm
by Steven
Cracker Larry wrote:The 5 gallon bucket rule is certainly one to follow :wink:

Mine is about 39" high and I wouldn't want it any shorter X 32 1/2" wide. You'll need that to get 2 people behind it. You and Bradley ain't little guys. Here is a very rough drawing if it's any help.

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In retrospect I think it would look better if the top was slightly narrower than the base, and the front was slightly narrower than the rear.

I made mine similar to Larry's and agree on the height. After assembling it with screws, I decided it needed tapering as Larry suggests. I tapered the sides in at the top and front. 2" if I remember correctly.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:10 pm
by majorgator
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I measured mine a few minutes ago to reference, but its 25" tall at the low point, then it goes to 30" where the instrument dash rises up, and the overall height is 36". The truth behind these dimensions is that I found a very nice console at the marine surplus store, but didn't like the price, so I took down all the dimensions. To confirm the helm height, I stood straight up (6'3" tall) and held the steering wheel with my arms stretched straight, then had my wife measure the straight distance down. I think its going to be very comfortable for me. The only taper I did was a slight one from the front toward the back. I want my side-mounted rod-holders to stand straight up, not tilted in.
...I'll do the bucket method for width
Or, just build an XF20 and you'll have enough room between the gunwale and console to drag a cow through there :wink: :wink:

As a side note, I'm too lazy to go back and read through all the other pages, but I recall that you are going to go with rod lockers along the gunwale. I saw something at the marine surplus store that you might have interest in (I'll take a picture of it when I go back next time, if you'd like). These were a pair of horizontal rod holders, top and bottom. It was basically notched out starboard pieces that allow you to just lay the rods in, about 4 wide I think. They were made for Scout boats. FWIW, I thought that I would like to use that exact product if I were to have rod lockers. Just a thought...

seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:31 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Cracker Larry wrote:Nope, I'd never call you fat, you're just a big SOB :lol:
:roll:
:wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:03 am
by pole-position
something to consider.....I'm a big fan of mounting rod holders on the sides of your console as it gives you storage for 4-6 more rods and easier/quicker access to the rods than those under the gunnels ( I'd do both ); as a word of caution, make sure lines already rigged have the hooks out of the way as they have a tendency to stick all body parts including, but not limited to, scalp, eyeballs, groin area and kneecaps. Yea, I'm speaking from personal experience......

Also, I don't know if you flyfish, but I would design them to be capable of holding a flyrod/reel---they're different than normal holders.

Sorry---unable to link a pic, but you can research most any manufacturer for some good design ideas

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:51 am
by stickystuff
If I were ever to build another consol I would make it two piece and hinge it. this way you can get to all your instruments for wireing. Makes it much easier and can be done more neater. (More neater? Hmm is this correct inglish?lol)I think Jim w did this on his C19. :doh:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:54 am
by stickystuff
gator boy if you plan it carefully you might have enough room to install tackle drawers in front of consol. Looking good.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 5:24 am
by majorgator
stickystuff wrote:
gator boy if you plan it carefully you might have enough room to install tackle drawers in front of consol.
Now I never thought of that :doh: Ken, you're causing trouble again...I was cruising along just fine, then you come along and throw a new idea into the mix, just something for me to think about and slow down my progress :wink: :wink: Just kidding of course, but I'll be on the road all day today, so my mind will be running through the thought of tackle drawers and hinged consoles for hours :lol: :lol: :lol:

seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:44 am
by SmokyMountain
Also, I don't know if you flyfish, but I would design them to be capable of holding a flyrod/reel---they're different than normal holders.
I have some beautifully made fly rod holders C. Larry made me last summer. I'll post a pic later.

If I were ever to build another consol I would make it two piece and hinge it. this way you can get to all your instruments for wireing. Makes it much easier and can be done more neater. (More neater? Hmm is this correct inglish?lol)I think Jim w did this on his C19.
I have been considering the tackle storage, but not the hinging of the console. How exactly would you do that.... make a inside lip to bolt to with inside hinges or piano hinges towards the bow? I was going to install a hatch on the bow side to access the gauges etc.. anyway.

These were a pair of horizontal rod holders, top and bottom. It was basically notched out starboard pieces that allow you to just lay the rods in, about 4 wide I think. They were made for Scout boats. FWIW, I thought that I would like to use that exact product if I were to have rod lockers. Just a thought...
Seth,

If you got by were you saw that take a picture. I would be interested and seeing that.... I'll check out the Scout boat website too. I was thinking about the rod holder and the taper in.... you could shim the rod holders and they would be straight :lol: .



Anybody have any wisdom on roll and tiping Sterling? I plan on painting this weeked :help:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:08 am
by majorgator
Andy if u do text messaging send me your phone number and I will text you the photo. 352-745-six nine five zero...or send me am email at sethgs0982 at gmail dot com.

Seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:51 am
by cape man
Instead of a hinged console I just put a large hatch in the front which allows me easy access to the wiring etc.

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 12:10 pm
by pole-position
^
The only negative w/ that is you lose the ability to put some tackle drawers in the front of the console, as others have suggested; imho, it is a darn nice feature to have, especially if you can keep them from coming out at inopportune times. :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:11 pm
by TomW
Build your own integrated leaning post. 32" high. At the transom side a bait well 18" high. Between the 32" and the 18" you have plenty of room for a drop down door for the standard 9x14 Plano boxes over the 32-40" width of the leaning post you build.

Don't know what more you want. :) :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:10 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Just say NO to drugs !!!!!!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:41 pm
by TomW
8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:24 pm
by SmokyMountain
The trailer was delivered today!! I'm stoked.... 8) Looks like a well made trailer. Thanks for taking the time to check these guys out Richard. They also come with the side bars. You can see them taped to the trailer in the second pic. I'll have to adjust the bunks a little, all it need now is a finished boat 8O .

The driver unloading the trailer.
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Trailer hooked up waiting for a boat!!

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:48 pm
by TomW
Pretty! :D Did you get brakes on that big boy for those mountain roads on your side! :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:17 pm
by sitandfish
SmokyMountain wrote:The trailer was delivered today!! I'm stoked.... 8) Looks like a well made trailer...

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That is one bad looking trailer! 8)

And of course by bad... I mean good. :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:19 pm
by Aripeka Angler
The trailer was delivered today!! I'm stoked.... Looks like a well made trailer. Thanks for taking the time to check these guys out Richard.
Your welcome Andy :) Looking forward to seeing the Tennessee Phantom strapped down on that trailer. It won't be long now :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:53 pm
by SmokyMountain
Did you get brakes on that big boy for those mountain roads on your side!
No, the brakes package was more than I wanted to spend. The boat I have now is around 500-800 lbs heavier than what the Phantom will be and I have not have any problems. I may add them at a later time.

That is one bad looking trailer!
Thanks, I hit a home run on this one!!! 8)
Looking forward to seeing the Tennessee Phantom strapped down on that trailer.
Amen brother!!! :!:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 10:43 pm
by Doc_Dyer
here is a teaser pic of what we got done today....

sterling paint...

big learning curve...

more later

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 11:10 pm
by gstanfield
Ooooooohhhh, shiny :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:45 am
by flyfishingmonk
Nice!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:06 pm
by tobolamr
Learning curve??? Looks like you nailed it! Keep up the awesome work!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:12 pm
by SmokyMountain

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    Learning curve??? Looks like you nailed it! Keep up the awesome work!                 
Almost.... :help: We applied it too thick and should have thinned some more. After tiping we were getting some air bubbles that were not popping. So, I called Larry and spoke with him. Turns out we weren't thinning enough. I thinned about 10%-15% and should have thinned 20-25%; so I today I sanded it down with 220 to get rid of the bubbles and reapplied. This time I thinned around 20% (MEK(1part) and thinner(3part)) and accelerator. I called the Sterling tech rep. about the accelerator, because the application guide wasn't very specific. He basically told be with temps below 65-70 degrees use 1oz per gallon of paint (not including thinner and catalysis) ...real nice guy. Told me a lot of good information. I got much better results this time around. There still are some particles you can see but not real bad. I'll probably need to apply one more coat.
The rep said not to put it on the trailer for 2 week becasue of the cooler temps and full cure. 8O 8O :x . I guess, I'll finish fairing the sheer upside down :( ...

A few things I learned:
- It's not thin enough unless it very watery.
- Keep adding a cap-full of thinner every now and then to keep it thin.
-After rolling, wait a minute or so.. about 75% of the bubble will pop on their own before tipping.
-KEEP YOUR TIPPING BRUSH CLEAN
-This stuff loves dust....
- This stuff is mean, wear a carbon filter...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:42 pm
by Cracker Larry
Excellent :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:26 pm
by wegcagle
Nice Job. That's some great paint you've got 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:39 pm
by TomW
Nice! 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:27 am
by cottontop
Beautiful job. Looks "professional". Using the "Sterling" did you use foam rollers and foam brushes? John

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:00 pm
by SmokyMountain
Beautiful job. Looks "professional". Using the "Sterling" did you use foam rollers and foam brushes?
Thanks, I used west system 1/8 nap foam rollers and the Europa corona brush (Badger Hair) that I got from Bateau. It worked great!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:25 pm
by tobolamr
Thank you for the list of things to do when using this stuff, too! Looking good! Can't wait for more pictures!!! :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:29 pm
by SmokyMountain
Got the final top coat on the bottom. I might paint one more layer....but probably not... will decide this evening. The skeg and strake edges aren't totally white, but the first time I got through some sand they'll be polished anyway :) . I was thinking that I would just paint the skeg / strakes, but I don't know how well they'll blend and usually when you keeping fooling with something it just gets worse... The bottom took exactly 10oz color (does not include catalyst and thinner). I still got dust specks all over the place, but without a full paint booth I don't think it will get any better.... stick a fork in me 8O ...ready to move on to the side and interior.

Here are some pics
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:05 pm
by Prarie Dog
SM, that looks real nice, I'm with you on the strakes too, probably a good idea to leave it and move on.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:15 pm
by Cracker Larry
Very nice Andy. That Sterling does shine 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:25 pm
by wegcagle
Looks incredible from here. 8) Nice work

Will

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 1:49 pm
by Uncle D
Very nice. I'm trying to catch up to you Andy.

Don

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:20 pm
by cape man
I'd stick a fork in you as well...Looks great!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:29 pm
by Aripeka Angler
WOW, I think you got the hang of that Sterling now 8) That is a slick looking paint job :)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 4:35 pm
by cottontop
Are you sure you didn't spray it? That looks like it was done in an auto body shop. Way to go. John

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 6:20 pm
by Brettitt41
Looking very nice.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:24 pm
by majorgator
Those pictures really make me think long and hard about the Sterling :doh: :doh: dangit Andy :!:

seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 7:55 pm
by TomW
Andy, I'm a day late and a $1 short but that is a great looking bottom! It's a beautiful job! 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 8:14 pm
by SmokyMountain
Those pictures really make me think long and hard about the Sterling dangit Andy
Sorry Seth :D . Once I got the ratios right it worked like a charm. If you use, the rep said the perfect ratio is:
2 parts color: 1part catalysis and 1 part thinner/reducer if less than 70 degrees sub-divide the 1 part thinner into 3 parts thinner and 1 part MEK. If you decide to use give me a call and you can learn from my mistakes..


Guys, thanks for the complements :oops: It's not perfect, but is good enough and I'm happy with it. Now I have to wait 2 weeks to flip :cry: . I'll work on the console and fair on the sheer to get ready for paint. Need to paint soon, so I don't forget what I leaned on the bottom. I may try to set up a better paint booth to try to reduce the dust on the sheer. Everyone sees the sheer. :help:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 9:08 pm
by Cracker Larry
Andy I don't know if it's possible where you are painting but one thing that helped me with the dust a lot was to hose everything down. I washed the walls, the floor, the overhead and all the surrounding grass, wet it down good to keep the dust from getting in there.
Those pictures really make me think long and hard about the Sterling dangit Andy
Seth, sell or give that S3 to somebody. I know you well enough to know that you won't be happy with it. Next year when you are sanding it off, you will be even less happy. Ask Richard :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:57 am
by majorgator
Seth, sell or give that S3 to somebody. I know you well enough to know that you won't be happy with it. Next year when you are sanding it off, you will be even less happy. Ask Richard :wink:
Don't start Larry :wink:
Funny thing is that even though I have all the materials to paint it top to bottom, I never stop thinking about the "what-ifs" of using Sterling. Decisions, decisions...

seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 6:50 am
by SmokyMountain
I never stop thinking about the "what-ifs"
Not only paint... motors, chartplotter/fishfinder combos, binnacles, color, chase tube layout out, gas tanks, center console details, prop sizes / pitches(couldn't resist), .... it won't stop...at least for me :help:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 9:59 am
by Doc_Dyer
I feel some pics are coming soon :roll:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:16 am
by SmokyMountain
Big day Friday, Nervous Water or Sweet Melissa (on-going name debate in the Sonner household - I bet you can guess what my wife's name is.. 8O ) was flipped for the last time and put on her new home. It was a very tight fit in the shop 8O 8O but should work out especially with some warmer weather on the way. Now that she's flipped a lot of worked has opened up :help: .... got to order the fuel tank today...going with aluminum (Atlantic Coastal Welding or speedy tanks). Spoke with those guys a month or so ago seem knowledgeable and not a whole lot more than a Moeller. I've been ordering a lot of part off ebay and other places...

On the Trailer - adjusted the front bunks and lined up the bow eye to the front trailer assembly.
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Put the trailer on some casters... a little high but can move her around a little better to squeeze by in tight places. :help:

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Center Console is tabbed - Put 12oz on the outside. A little over kill, but thats what I had... won't have to worry about the outside :D .
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I offset the side in 1" on each side...hard to tell but maybe a little more pleasing to the eye..
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Well... off to glassing the boxes ...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:57 am
by Doc_Dyer
man that spray rail looks 10000% better than this
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:05 am
by gk108
The profile of that spray rail looks very similar to the expensive plastic extrusion stickystuff used on his Phantom. 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 11:18 am
by SmokyMountain
man that spray rail looks 10000% better than this
Bradley going to be rubbing that in for the rest of my life... :oops: Unfortunately he was right. :help:

I forgot to mention.. a BIG THANKS to Bradley. Eric, Mark, Jesus and Bruce for helping me flip the boat!! 8)

The profile of that spray rail looks very similar to the expensive plastic extrusion stickystuff used on his Phantom
Thanks GK, I was wondering how he got his spray rail looking so good.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:52 pm
by Uncle D
SmokyMountain wrote:Put the trailer on some casters... a little high but can move her around a little better to squeeze by in tight places.
Why not pull off the wheel and set her on the hub, seems like that would help with the height and still move around.

About the spray rail, I'm almost ready to do mine on my PH 18. I see your's is at the chine. How far back did you go. It was mentioned too that Stickystuff used something similar on his. Did that really help to keep his ride dry?? The reason I'm asking is that I thought about a reverse chine and then the spray rail like the ones on the plans.

Thanks, Don

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 5:39 pm
by stickystuff
Expensive yes. To me it was free. The price was right.Did a great job to. Amazeing how a little thing like that makes such a difference.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:46 am
by SmokyMountain
Why not pull off the wheel and set her on the hub, seems like that would help with the height and still move around.
I thought about pulling off the the wheels too, but just to lazy right now... :) . I might if the height gets to be too big of a pain...besides the higher sheer helps with the final fairing I have to complete. :cry:
How far back did you go.
I went a little past / near bulkhead "C". (I'll measure and let you know). I looked at Muddlers boat and basicly copied what he had done. He has a good pic of his boat in the water with an angle on the side showing the relation of the spray rail and the waterline.

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As far as the dry ride, I've read it makes a difference, also from Sticky's responce below he seems confim that it does. :D

Oh and if anybody wants to come to E. TN and pick up a slightly used strongback their welcome to it!!

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:24 am
by Cracker Larry
He has a good pic of his boat in the water with an angle on the side showing the relation of the spray rail and the waterline.
That must have been before his fancy paint job and poling platform.. Bill sure did a beautiful job on that boat 8)

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:48 am
by flyfishingmonk
Larry,

This is very helpful. I am working on my reverse chine now and have an opportunity to manipulate how aggressive, or deep it goes. Now I have a feel for just where the spray may occur.

Thanks,

Casey

P.S. Andrew - Great looking progress.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 1:02 am
by Cracker Larry
Casey, I think I've got some more pics of her running. I'll try to dig them up.
Oh and if anybody wants to come to E. TN and pick up a slightly used strongback their welcome to it!!
Andy, is it straight :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:19 am
by flyfishingmonk
Awesome! Thanks!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 6:32 am
by SmokyMountain
Oh and if anybody wants to come to E. TN and pick up a slightly used strongback their welcome to it!!

Andy, is it straight

I said "strongback" not brokeback... :D :D 8O

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:50 am
by JamesT
Pun intended... :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:00 pm
by Doc_Dyer
SmokyMountains (Andrew) new Motor

I recognize that trailer :roll: :wink:

suzuki 90 HP 4 stroke :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:10 pm
by gstanfield
:D sweet!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:31 pm
by Prarie Dog
Nice :D Don't see any forklift fork holes in the box, really nice. :lol: :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:33 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Awesome!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:35 pm
by Cracker Larry
Well, it ain't a Yamaha, but I reckon it'll do....about 55 8) Nice Andy, it's all coming together now :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:42 pm
by cape man
SWEET!!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D

HAPPY DAYS!!!!!


(couldn't find a Yamaha? :lol: )

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:52 pm
by Cracker Larry
(couldn't find a Yamaha? :lol:
I heard they don't sell them within 500 miles of the Smokey Mountains :?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:43 pm
by cape man
I heard they don't sell them within 500 miles of the Smokey Mountains
Careful big guy...been quiet around here lately 8) 8) 8) :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 3:48 pm
by Doc_Dyer
not as quite as we would like :roll:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 5:39 pm
by majorgator
I heard they don't sell them within 500 miles of the Smokey Mountains :?
No, its just impossible to find the right prop for a yamaha 8O
not as quite as we would like :roll:
What's the definition of "active member"?

Hey Andy, sweet motor...still got my fingers crossed to see her at Boca :wink: :wink: :wink:

seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:50 pm
by Doc_Dyer
majorgator wrote: What's the definition of "active member"?
That is a Damn good question

looked it up today the 22nd
he has posted 86 times since he is no longer "active" which was the 3rd or 19 days ago which is 4.52 posts a day :doh:

the only days this month he didnt post were on the 6th and 13th :doh: :doh:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 8:52 pm
by Aripeka Angler
What's the definition of "active member"?

Ummm, maybe someone who only posts 5 times a day instead of 15 :doh:

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Sweet :D The guide I talked to over the weekend who will be building an XF-20 had some nice things to say about Suzuki motors. He said he would still be using them if he didn't have a Mercury sponsorship. Have you thought about getting some prop numbers on the motor yet :doh: There used to be a guy on here from Mississippi who could run them for you...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:00 pm
by Doc_Dyer
that would be great but he is not an acitve member anymore,
hopefully he will still get this message and help Andrew prop his motor :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:14 pm
by Aripeka Angler
His handle was hwsiii I think. He hasn't been on here for a while...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:27 pm
by Aripeka Angler
No, its just impossible to find the right prop for a yamaha
You are hurting my feelings.... Maybe we need a prop expert...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:33 pm
by Cracker Larry
H. W. knows his prop poop. Taught me something 8) You can reach him at hwsiii at yahoo dot com

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:35 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Larry. I sure miss him around here :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:37 pm
by Cracker Larry
He's listening :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:38 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I hope so, he was the bomb :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:43 pm
by SmokyMountain
heard they don't sell them within 500 miles of the Smokey Mountains
Plenty of Yammie's (and certified dealers) in E. TN and all around the Smokey Mountains :wink:

Hey Andy, sweet motor...still got my fingers crossed to see her at Boca


Thanks, Boca will be close, I'm hoping... :help:


(couldn't find a Yamaha? )
Well that's a good question. I did alot of asking around and hair splitting.... I spoke to a couple of boat mechanics I know and both said Suzuki and Yamaha were great engines. (Didn't say that about the e-tecs, and I was was wanting one...got talked out of it.) The two main reasons I went with a Suzuki was 30lbs less in weight and at least around here it was about $1000-$1500 less.

Sweet The guide I talked to over the weekend who will be building an XF-20 had some nice things to say about Suzuki motors. He said he would still be using them if he didn't have a Mercury sponsorship
Thats what I've heard too.


Now for a little motor porn...Here she is!!! 8) 8)
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Now I just got to find a prop.... :lol: :lol: :help: :help: I know it will be stainless. The hydraulic jack plate is on the way too. I'm not near ready to hang it yet, but there was a $500 rebate and dealers will deal better now than a couple of month from now....

Pretty neat how it was shipped, the box come right off and the motor is all bolted together in a metal crate. There are instructions on how un-crate her so you won't scratch the motor.... The dealer is going to let me set her and rig. He'll inspect and give me the O.K for the warranty.

Bradley when you going to be in town to help me get this mother off the trailer??? :help:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:46 pm
by Doc_Dyer
when ever let me know...
you know that im in Maryville all the time :roll:
Bradley

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:13 pm
by Cracker Larry
The two main reasons I went with a Suzuki was 30lbs less in weight and at least around here it was about $1000-$1500 less.
Come on now, it was the $1,500, not the 30 pounds that made the difference:P

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:17 pm
by SmokyMountain
Come on now, it was the $1,500, not the 30 pounds that made the difference:P

I'm watching my weight... :oops: Yeah, that's a big difference in price, that's my troll-n-trim.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:31 pm
by Cracker Larry
I've been hearing nothing but good things about the new Suzukis. I'm sure it will serve you very well for a long time. The Freedom Boat Club in Savannah has been running them exclusively for 5 or 6 years now. They have about 20 boats kept in saltwater at the Savannah location that are used almost every day by a large amount of people. They tell me that problems and failures have been almost zero. Just normal maintenance. Make sure you put the right prop on it though :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 3:14 am
by stickystuff
OH NO! Here we go with the prop thing again. :lol: :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:21 am
by SmokyMountain
OH NO! Here we go with the prop thing again.
Sticky (or anyone else with experince),

In all seriousness, what would you recommend since you have experience with the Phantoms? When it comes to proping, I don't have a clue. Also, is there good literature / websites about proping that anyone knows ...? :help:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:10 pm
by stickystuff
On my PH!^ with a 90 HP Mariner I ran a 3 bladed stainless with a 19" pitch. I had a cooks manual jack platewith engine set about 2" higher than normal. Boat ran out excellent and stayed around 5500 to 5800 if trimmed to high. I would def. run spray railsfrom stern to approx 3/4 the length of the hull. The more concave cup you can get on your spray rails the better. Check out smartrails.com. I trhink that may be web site if no do a google on smart rails. Expensive for a piece of plastic. You may be able to duplicate them out of wood if you have access to a shaper or router table with the correct bits.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 5:48 pm
by Steven
If you don't mind, what did you give for the Suzuki?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:00 pm
by SmokyMountain
Thanks for the info Sticky, I check that out.

Steven,

The motor was $7,800 minus a $500 rebate so $7,300.00 plus tax etc... I got it a Bear Mountain Marine in Vonore, TN, real nice guys and easy to work with....

I don't know where you live but boats.net out of Fla. had some great prices but anything over 40hp ?? they have to install. Doen't help if you live in TN. :cry: Motors are expensive...... :help:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 10:26 am
by flyfishingmonk
stickystuff wrote: The more concave cup you can get on your spray rails the better. Check out smartrails.com. I think that may have a web site if you do a google on smart rails. Expensive for a piece of plastic. You may be able to duplicate them out of wood if you have access to a shaper or router table with the correct bits.
stickystuff and everybody else

I have a question but I don't want to high jack Andrew's thread. I posted it up on my thread with a picture.
The link is below. It is regarding reverse chines on the PH 18. Somewhat of a similar topic.

http://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.php ... 02#p237902

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:16 pm
by SmokyMountain
Got my 25 gal custom fuel tank today. Fits like a glove, once I build the platform underneath there will be about a 1/4' gap all the way around. 8) 8) It's between bulkheads A and B.

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:58 pm
by TomW
8) if I may what did it cost and where did you order it from?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 1:24 am
by flyfishingmonk
Good looking tank.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:08 am
by Prarie Dog
TomW wrote:Reem your ass with a dental drill! An inactive member does not meen I cannot ask questions you asshole.

I have had it with you Doc go away and don't come back. You for some reason have decided to pick on me since you joined. Go to hell. Yep I have 6 Westlawn courses when there were 11. Jacques took 11 out of 17. Now there are how ever many you say there are, 34? Does that means I know nothing, I guess according to you I don't and Jacques doesn't either.

Have you ever been on anything more than a 36' boat for more than a day or two. Do you know how an inboard engine works and how the shaft goes through the hull and is supported outside the hull. Can you trace all the systems of that engine and boat. Let's see that's the fuel, hydraulic, electrical, cooling, exhaust, ice maker, water system, refrigeration, A/C, radio, radar, vhf, multiple GPS/Fishfinders, Epirb, life raft.

Tell me what boat and where you have ever skippered it. You can't have just been a passenger. CL I know can answer those questions without a problem. Don't know if many others can on this forum.
Some more first class dialogue, Tom. Give it a rest. :doh:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:44 am
by wegcagle
Tom, you are no more an inactive member than I am (except you still post more often.) If you are going to leave then do it. We are all tired of your crap. I wonder if a member can be kicked out :?:

you got my vote :wink:


Will

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:01 am
by majorgator
TomW wrote on previous thread:
Prayers to both families...May God forgive him
TomW wrote on this thread:
Doc, Reem your ass with a dental drill...Go to hell
I'm confused :doh: :doh:

Nice tank, Andy. I know how good it feels to see something fit so perfectly. I've seen some other threads where they put coal tar on the tank, are you planning to do the same? Is it necessary, or just good measure?

seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:06 am
by SmokyMountain
Tom,

To answer your question: their website is speedytanks.com or Atlantic Coastal Welding. The cost was around $430 ish including shipping and neoprene strips. A little more than a poly tank, but well worth the money in my opinion.

On to a more unpleasant subject. I have "held my tongue" but when you start flaming someone on my thread who I consider my brother and other folks I consider good friends...enough is enough. You have been rude, condescending and down right insulting to multiple people on this board.

When you publicly announce that you are leaving, then be a man of your word and leave or at least give it a break for a year or two until you can get it together.

Bradley's BS meter has a short fuse, and I don't blame him.

Joel you can delete or not does not matter. If you don't it just shows what a$$ he is ... also may I suggest that Tom be banned either permanently or for a specified time.


Well on to the build... :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:17 am
by Cracker Larry
Nice tank Andy :!:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:30 am
by SmokyMountain
Nice tank, Andy. I know how good it feels to see something fit so perfectly. I've seen some other threads where they put coal tar on the tank, are you planning to do the same? Is it necessary, or just good measure?
Seth,

Thanks, and to be honest wasn't planning on coal tar, but I'm not well versed in gas tanks. On the speedy tank website they have a link about installation of aluminum tanks. I was planning on a strip or two of neoprene on the side of the tank too to bed it horizontally and strap it down. What is the purpose of coal tar? They manufacture painted the tank with epoxy paint.

Nice tank Andy
Thanks Larry.

Any suggestions about tank installation would be appreciated. I know for aluminum you have air flow all the way around.

Capeman that for the advice and complement.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:43 am
by topwater
I think that if the tank is already painted with epoxy paint you are good to go. The only time i have
seen coal tar put on a tank is when it is bare alum.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 8:49 am
by majorgator
What is the purpose of coal tar?
I'm not real sure to tell you the truth. I think that Joel did it on the rebuild he's working on, but I was too lazy to try to read all the posts and learn why?

Also, not to pressure you or anything like that, but I'll be down around that Marine Surplus store again next week if you're still interested in those rod-holders I sent you a picture of. Let me know...

seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 11:41 am
by tech_support
cleaned up thread to keep it on point.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:02 pm
by Doc_Dyer
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:52 pm
by Doc_Dyer
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I know that pics are on the way soon :doh:


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you are getting one of these every hour till you post your pictures

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:21 pm
by SmokyMountain
It was a busy weekend. Bradley came over to help and we glassed the boxes. It was slow and painful job, but it's done. While I was glassing the last two boxes Bradley cried "uncle" and finished fitting the side cleats for the gas tank.


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Gas Tank cleats
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The tank has about a 1/4 inch around.... fits just right. It about as low as it will go within the stringer box.
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This weekend I'm going to install the chase tubles and cleats for the floor. I've go everything ripped... I recycled my stongback for the floor cleats 8) .

The proposed chase tube layout.
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I'm just going to run a 1.5" for the gas line. Everything else is 2" diameter. If anyone see any potential problems let me know :help: .

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 11:29 pm
by SmokyMountain
The chase tubes are complete!! 8) Except for gluing them together. Tomorrow, I'll start attaching the cleats. Next weekend, I'll start fitting the sole and cockpit floor and pouring the foam.

Starboard chase at the Transom. The 1.5" is for the fuel line the other 2-2" will carry everything else.
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Starboard Chase at the console.
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The chases in the console.
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Port side chase
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Chases at the gas tank. Port will carry the fuel sender, bow light and future trolling motor if needed. (I'm using a trim and troll) Starboard will carry the fuel line.
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Making progress...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:01 am
by Cracker Larry
Looking good Andy. Less than 3 months to go :P

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:14 am
by cape man
Go Baby Go!!!!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:36 am
by tech_support
cutting/fitting all those chases is a big job, your look great :)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 1:23 pm
by Doc_Dyer
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 4:28 pm
by SmokyMountain
Got the cleats installed this weekend. I'll start fitting the sole panels next.

Cockpit cleats.
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I had to think about the best way to attach the cleats on the sheer. I thought about hot glue (like some other have done) but decided to use the chopstick method 8O . chopstick the sheer cleat and push hard while clamping... worked good. :D
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Cleat in the stern. You will notice the center box is cleated.... that's going to be my bait well area.... probably won't need the cleats :oops: .. got a little glue happy and didn't notice until I took the picture.... :x
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:09 pm
by cape man
probably won't need the cleats .. got a little glue happy and didn't notice until I took the picture....
They can't hurt :lol: :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:26 pm
by SmokyMountain
Big day today!! Got the sole / deck cut and fitted 8) :D . Bradley did most of templates on his off day Thursday and we finished up today and started cutting. Whomever came up with the strip hot glue fitting technique is a genius :lol: . ... works great.

A pic of Bradley (docdyer) setting up some templates to trace and cut.
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Cockpit fitted.... couldn't keep the smile off my face... less work got done because we kept oogling the sole... nice to look at something else beside stingers.
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:42 am
by Cracker Larry
Whomever came up with the strip hot glue fitting technique is a genius
That was me, thank you :lol: :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:15 am
by flyfishingmonk
Man I wish I was this far along. This is great!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 7:18 am
by majorgator
Cockpit fitted.... couldn't keep the smile off my face... less work got done because we kept oogling the sole... nice to look at something else beside stingers.
I remember that day 8) Makes you feel like you're actually getting somewhere. Looking good Andy. Won't be much longer now...

seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 8:01 am
by stickystuff
Andy, Got a question for you. Not a critic. How wide is your consol? OK two or three questions,LOL Are you going to use hydraulic steering? Are you going to use a binacle style shifter?

Now the reason I ask. If you go back to the pictures of the PH 15 I built You will see a huge blunder I made. Consol looks great BUT! When I mounted binacle I should have moved it up to the top right hand corner instead of where it at. When i installed the stainless steering wheel with suicide knob (Which was mounted to outside of wheel) hit the damn shifter. Now I had a problem. I made a stainless panel which was prepunched before I installed it. I would have had to make a complete new panel$$$ and modify consol itself orrrrrr remove knob. So, I cut the knob off and welded the hole sanded and polished the stainless and then drilled a hole on the inside web of the wheel and bolted it dow.Every thing clears but is vert tightly cornered to each other. Kind of uncomfortable to steer and control. You get used to it but to me a big blunder. Not very happy about it. My customer is OK with it and says its not a real big problem. Just want to make sure you don,t make the same mistake. :doh: :D :? Consol just looked a little narrow to me. Thats why I bring this up. Boat looks great.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2011 10:09 am
by SmokyMountain
That was me, thank you
Cracker you have a new name, Cracker Larry, Genuis :lol:

Sticky,

I appreciate you mentioning the potential problem. I am using a Baystar hydraulic steering and a Suzuki binnacle mount. I just go the mount in yesterday. My plan is to have the binnacle on the right of the console and the steering center left. I'll mock it up and make sure everything fits. The width of the console is approximately 2'-6", mainly because I wanted to fit all of the batteries under it ,not have to cut the center stringers with chases and after have at least a foot of walk around room in the cockpit. Anything you see, let me know... you won't offend me... I would rather fix before it becomes a problem.

I've got to drill the scuppers in the transom and run the tubing and drill recesses in the floor so I can foam the boxes :!: and about a thousand other things.... :help:


Thanks for the complements guys... Seth, yes, I do feel like I accomplished something....but still a lot to do :!: :!:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:47 pm
by Uncle D
flyfish2743 wrote:Man I wish I was this far along. This is great!
Me too!! I think we need to kidnap Doc :lol: Very nice Andy

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:00 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Will work for Jack and Sprite

And some food every now and then 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 11:04 pm
by Steven
Cracker Larry wrote:
Whomever came up with the strip hot glue fitting technique is a genius
That was me, thank you :lol: :lol:

I don't know. Might need to compare some dated photos of said technique. :)

Bow seat frame template for GV11. Wow. 7 years ago. Where does it go.

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:35 pm
by Uncle D
Doc_Dyer wrote:Will work for Jack and Sprite

And some food every now and then 8)
That's cool, not even airfare 8O

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:47 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Uncle D wrote:
Doc_Dyer wrote:Will work for Jack and Sprite

And some food every now and then 8)
That's cool, not even airfare 8O
I figured the kidnapper had transportation back home already planned 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 12:04 am
by Prarie Dog
Andy and Doc, that's looking super nice. 8) They way ya'll are cooking you can bring it to the Texas Meet and give us a ride.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:10 am
by Doc_Dyer
Don't think it will fit on the plane :cry:

But we will still have fun in Texas 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:44 am
by SmokyMountain
Yeah, I would love to take her to Texas, but don't have a week to get her there and back... :help: - Most of my vacation time will already be burnt :!: We'll bring pictures ..... 8O

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 3:10 pm
by Joe H
I'll buy as much jack & sprite as it takes to get you guy's here, I'm taking a break right now from installing the frames & stringers, just positioning and spot welding them in place, my back is killing me, I don't know if I can go back in there and do anymore, I need more meds!

I will use the templete method when installing the floor, I thought about doing it that way years ago! ha ha, I'm kiddding, great idea!

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:48 pm
by phuzzy
Wow! The pictures look great!

Do you know why the lettering was removed from the pedestrian bridge? :?: It looked great while it was up there!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 10:34 pm
by SmokyMountain
I'm taking a break right now from installing the frames & stringers, just positioning and spot welding them in place, my back is killing me, I don't know if I can go back in there and do anymore, I need more meds!
Wait till you glass the boxes..... the frames and stringer ain't nothin .... :!: :!: 8O ... I had to take an Advil before I could walk up the stairs... :lol:

Do you know why the lettering was removed from the pedestrian bridge? It looked great while it was up there!
Phuzzy,

Thanks

The letters will be back either this or next week. The back lighting reflectivity of the letters did not meet spec. The contractor is adding a back plate that will extend past the letters a couple of inches and have a reflective coating to make them more visible at night. I don't know if you noticed some of the letters were brighter than other for a week or so... we were testing different coating to see how they looked...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 2:04 pm
by Joe H
I wanted to try wet on wet but the EZ fillet kicks way too quickly. I guess you could fillet and then glass each bulkhead. I opted to fillet everything and sand.
Would you use the EZ fillet again? I have some West System 405 Filleting Blend at home but haven't tried it yet.
Are the huge fillets necessary, seems like it would take a lot of filleting stuff but I imagine it will make taping easier.

I have the stringers and frames welded into position, what a pain, I hear ya the taping is going to be the real pain but I still have to get past the filleting! :help:

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 3:58 pm
by Steven
I precut the tape. Primed with epoxy the area to be glassed and then made the fillets. Next I pre-wet the tape on a flat plastic covered table. For me, this is the only way I"ll do tape. I always pre-wet it. I find I can get my best resin to glass ratio this way. There's very little excess to squeegee out. I use a chip brush to seat the glass and then squeegee it and roll it with a resin roller. By the time you get the fillets all prettied up pre-wet the tape, the fillets are firm enough to glass over. Mileage will vary of course based on temperature and hardner speed. You will save many bent over hours if you pre-wet the tape. This method goes very quickly.


I even pre-wet the 16' long pieces for the stringers. I layed one out and wetted it. Layed the next one offset and wetted it out. Rolled em up, then rolled them out. I cannot imagine wetting the tape out in place.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 9:57 pm
by Joe H
Thanks Steven, I'll give it a try, I've always wet it out in place, never and issue but I've wanted to try wetting it out first, why not now.

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:34 pm
by SmokyMountain
Would you use the EZ fillet again?
Definitely. The stuff is very easy to work with, is consistence, fillets really well and won't sag.. it just kicks quick on big jobs. You got to use smaller batches. You could fillet then tape smaller areas. I was filleting larger areas (stringers) and could have done less and taped wet on wet. It's just a little extra sanding the other way... :help:

Steve's method is good, as I've been building I pre-wet the tape a lot more than I used too especially in hard to reach areas.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:41 pm
by SmokyMountain
Big day!! Got the cockpit floors installed. 8) Was getting tired of looking at the boxes. I still have to pour foam between bulkhead D and the transom. I'm waiting for my bait well to get here and then I'll figure out how I'm going to run the over flow and end of day drains.

Foam in the boxes. I did go to the very top because ten gallon of foam is enough :!:
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Floors installed. I used screws to hold down the floor and will fill all of the holes. Didn't have enough weighs and wanted contact all the stringers. You may wonder why about a quarter of the floor is not glassed. I'm extending the deck out to a little past the glass line for more deck space. I'll install some lockers at that location too.

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Like others, I recessed the floor drains. I found these neat floor drains that are pre-made for floors. They have the a tongue on the floor and the tube is off center on the floor side. Found the at Great Lakes Skipper. Was going to cut off a flange of a regular one and saw those.. 8) They are bedded in 5200, I had to install them now because they won't fit in with the floor installed.

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From the transom.
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I'll fillet and glass the floor this week with biax.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 10:50 pm
by Prarie Dog
That looks real nice Smokey Mountain. :D I wish I had thought of using screws to hold down my sole. Wound up gluing two bricks down, what a mess.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 11:55 pm
by flyfishingmonk
That is great. I'm glad you shared the floor drains and the screw idea for the cockpit floor. I tried finding the drain on Great Lakes Skipper's website but could not find it. Do you have the name of who made the part?

It looks like you are passing the drain through the the back to the transom. Curious as to why that way and not out the side. I haven't decided which way to go with this and would like your thoughts.

Thanks,

Casey

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:37 am
by Cracker Larry
Excellent Andy! Getting that sole down is a huge milestone in the build 8) Sorry I missed your call yesterday, I had to take a break from boat work and go fishing, left the phone in the truck.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:55 am
by Steven
flyfish2743 wrote:That is great. I'm glad you shared the floor drains and the screw idea for the cockpit floor. I tried finding the drain on Great Lakes Skipper's website but could not find it. Do you have the name of who made the part?

It looks like you are passing the drain through the the back to the transom. Curious as to why that way and not out the side. I haven't decided which way to go with this and would like your thoughts.

Thanks,

Casey
Hey Casey,

They stock those drains at West Marine in Lewisville. I think I have an one you are welcome too. I'll check the size on it and let you know what it is.

Steven

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 12:06 pm
by SmokyMountain
I tried finding the drain on Great Lakes Skipper's website but could not find it. Do you have the name of who made the part?

It looks like you are passing the drain through the the back to the transom. Curious as to why that way and not out the side. I haven't decided which way to go with this and would like your thoughts.
Casey,

I got them off eBay through Great Lakes Skipper. The title they have for them is the following: STANDARD 1 1/2 INCH PLASTIC BOAT THRU HULL CONNECTOR. If you do that search you will find them or go to their eBay store.

Yes, I am going to the transom with the floor drains. I wrestled with that too. Some reasons why I chose the transom:
• Jacque show them on the plans that way. (He must have had a good reason?)
• I could get greater vertical fall from the floor to the scupper. Even if the scupper is underwater some, the head of the water from the floor should push on out. I’ll have plugs if needed. Also, you have more room to work with at the transom. Going out the sheer you are confined to a small area vertically. Any of the scuppers that have long barbs will be problematic and the 1-1/2” heavy vinyl tubing does not bend very easy. (Not much room between the floor and chine)
• Maintenance wise: I can get to the clamps (for inspection / repair) a little easer through a locker and at the transom. If you mount the scupper under the floor you will have to install access where you walk and have possible rain water intrusion.
• I don’t want the scupper sticking out the sheer to get knocked off. (I also don’t like the look on the side as much either)

I got the plastic scuppers, but found some nice stainless I wish I would have gotten. They are on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayI ... MEWAX%3AIT Their store name is Lagoon Boats.

I got my flush push pole holders, bow light and some other thru hull stuff from these guys. There prices were comparable or a little less than most when you factor in the free shipping.


Also, when I mixed foam after about three batches, I started using cheap zip lock plastic bags like a bottle liner because that stuff sticks to everything and didn’t want to waste mixing cups. I would then invert the bag after pouring and scrape the excess in so I would waste any…


Larry,

Thanks, I think that call was from a couple of weeks ago… can’t remember what I was calling about… :doh:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 3:52 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Steven - I may take you up on that.

Andy - You make some very good points. I think what guys are using when they go out the side is a brass tube that doesn't protrude must past the hull. Like this.

And then fitting it into place with this.

With the end result looking like this on the inside... and like this on the outside.

I would like your take on it.

Decisions Decisions... :doh:

Great idea with the zip lock bags! Thanks.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:32 pm
by SmokyMountain
would like your take on it.

Casey,

The way you describe is certainly simpler (which in many cases is better). I think that would work fine. Maybe StickyStuff or someone with more experience can weight in.. Whether you go to the transom or thru the sheer you will get basically same result. Sorry not much help... :doh:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 8:50 pm
by Cracker Larry
Whether you go to the transom or thru the sheer you will get basically same result.
Exactly. I just posted the same thing on another thread. In each instance both drains are the same height above the water line. Water doesn't care if it runs left, right or around the block, it's going to find it's level. Water always runs downhill and seeks it's own level. From a physics standpoint both are identical. If the deck is above the water it will drain. If it is below the water it will not. It doesn't matter what kind of scuppers you put on it, or which direction you route it, the results will be exactly the same.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:39 pm
by Steven
flyfish2743 wrote:Steven - I may take you up on that.
Just took a look at what I have. Its a 1 1/2" inch drain. Large but your welcome too it. I work in Irving, so if you want it we could meet for luch some time.

Steven

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 4:17 pm
by flyfishingmonk
I think I'm leaning toward the set up Larry has on his Dory. Which means I prob won't need the part. However, I appreciate the offering and we definitely need to set up that lunch.

Andy - thanks for letting us side track the thread for the drain discussion.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 10:29 pm
by SmokyMountain
Andy - thanks for letting us side track the thread for the drain discussion.
No problem. 8) Glad you all could discuss.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:06 pm
by SmokyMountain
I may be cutting out the casting deck this weekend and have a question.

1. What's the best method? I assume you would place the plywood on the boat and trace along the sheer and cut. I was thinking of leaving about 1/8" tag and sand to fit.

Any tips, trick or good advice?? :help:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:18 pm
by majorgator
I assume you would place the plywood on the boat and trace along the sheer and cut.
That's exactly what I did and it came out perfect. For the decks below the sheer, I plotted it in AutoCAD using several points, and it came out perfect too.

seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:13 pm
by flyfishingmonk
majorgator wrote:For the decks below the sheer, I plotted it in AutoCAD using several points, and it came out perfect too.

seth
Now there's a good idea.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:34 pm
by Cracker Larry
For the decks below the sheer, I plotted it in AutoCAD using several points, and it came out perfect too.

I don't know squat about auto cad, so I just use a low tech stick. A legend stick I think it's called. Anyway, get a flat batten like a 1X2, a little longer than the deck section. Make reference marks along the batten at 6" intervals. Now lay the stick across the frames with one edge on the center line and secure it in place. At each 6" interval measure from the center line to the hull side and write the measurement on your reference line. Do this at every interval. If the hull is symmetrical you only need to measure from center to one side. Might want to check it both ways to make sure.

Now remove the stick from the frames and lay it down the center line of your work piece. At every interval measure out the dimension you wrote on your stick and make a mark. Now just connect the dots with a batten and you've got it. Guarantees a perfect fit for auto-cad challenged folks :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:44 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Cracker Larry wrote:
Guarantees a perfect fit for auto-cad challenged folks :D
I think they call that AutoDisfunction... they just don't have a medication for it yet. :wink:

This is a great idea. I like it! :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 4:56 pm
by gstanfield
Larry did a fine job of describing his method, but here's some visuals to go with it. While building Ethan's tug bed I had no plans and everything was built from my brain with the influence of some Jameson :wink:

First I took a stick and marked it at regular intervals:
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Then with one edge of the stick on the centerline you measure to the sides and write it on the stick:
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The lay that stick on the piece to be cut, mark the distances from center, connect the dots and cut :D

Anyway, I know this was explained good already just thought I would offer up some visuals to help possibly.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:14 pm
by Cracker Larry
Very good George :!: You must be autodysfunctional too :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:18 pm
by gstanfield
Actually have a certificate from taking a college class in autocad, but you still gotta have some numbers to put into the thing. :wink:

Now, as to being just regular dysfunctional...well....of course :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 5:38 pm
by Cracker Larry
But by golly you know how to work a stick 8) I use legend sticks like that for a lot of things, as much as I use the tape measure or more. You don't even need the tape, just substitute another stick where the tape is, and make a mark on it at every interval. Then use the 2 sticks to lay out the deck panel.

Andy, on the other hand is a cad expert too 8) but when the power goes out as it is right now, the stick will still work :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:01 pm
by SmokyMountain
Andy, on the other hand is a cad expert too but when the power goes out as it is right now, the stick will still work
Thanks guys. I think in this application the stick methods will work well :D . CAD would just take the fun out of it.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:10 pm
by flyfishingmonk
SmokyMountain wrote: Thanks guys. I think in this application the stick methods will work well :D . CAD would just take the fun out of it.
Good Call.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:25 pm
by Cracker Larry
Another thought to share on the sticks. My neighbor and close friend Mike is blind, I've mentioned him before. He can build almost anything rough, houses, barns, welding, you name it. He builds outdoor furniture like picnic tables and porch swings and stuff to sell and he does it all using legend sticks. He can't read a rule or see a pencil mark. He has one stick for his tables, one for his swings, one for his chairs, and a general purpose stick. Each stick has notches cut in precise places, so his picnic table stick has a notch at the length of every piece needed to build the table, and references for the bolt locations, screws and everything. He builds his sticks too. He can build a table faster than I can :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:42 pm
by gstanfield
That is impressive for sure 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 7:53 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Wow! That is cool!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2011 8:52 pm
by Steven
Very resourceful.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 1:43 pm
by SmokyMountain
Been busy boat building and otherwise. I have installed the center console, false bulkhead (for more deck space), sole level floors except for the very rear. I was about to install and thought, "Hey I better check to see how the trim tabs are going fit on the transom just to be sure before I glue...... Well ..... :oops: :oops: after drilling some foam out with a forstner bit and installing a cleat for the trim tab screws to bed into the rest of the sole is now ready... :roll: So.... Casey be sure to drill out you trim n troll in the transom before filling with foam.... Those screws go about a 1/2inch past the inside of the transom :D

Here's a pic of holes.... (Hate drilling holes in my boat) The are overdrilled and now filled for final installation.

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I installed a false bulkhead and expanded my front deck by about 2 feet, I would rather have fishing deck space than too much cockpit.

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Here is the center console with hatch cutouts. I will install a top self for all of the electrical. The bottom front hatch will be for batteries. I chose Viking hatches because they are the only ones I could find that were not hinged.

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OK... on to some prop questions...... :help: I'm getting a Michigan Wheel - Apollo stainless Steel prop but not sure what pitch. :help: I figure any where between an 18 - 21 inch pitch. I think hole shot is a little more important to me than top speed. I'll be running a 90hp Suzuki 4-stroke. Any suggestions ?? :help: I'll try to post a few more up to date pics.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 5:36 pm
by flyfishingmonk
SmokyMountain wrote:So.... Casey be sure to drill out you trim n troll in the transom before filling with foam.... Those screws go about a 1/2inch past the inside of the transom :D
Thanks for the heads up!!! I was planning on putting a board back there, glued to the transom to beef up where the trim tabs screw in, so the screws wont poke through. Or... If I remember right, the install has stainless steel wood screws. I might just scrap the wood screws and go with nuts and bolts. Thoughts on either of these ways?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:28 pm
by SmokyMountain
I might just scrap the wood screws and go with nuts and bolts. Thoughts on either of these ways?
I was going to use bolts too, but the installation instructions, had in bold to use the provided fasteners for the trim tabs, so I'll use the screws provided. Some 5200 on them and they won't be going anywhere. :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:37 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Looking good Andy :) I can tell that is going to be one fine looking boat when you finish her. We should be able to get those hatch templates started next week. Sorry, not able to help with the prop. You might have to call a prop shop or maybe one of the guys on the forum can help you...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:45 pm
by Cracker Larry
I think I'd start with a 17", and some kind of deal with the dealer to swap it if you need to.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:04 pm
by Alabamajon
SmokeyMountain I'm new here but why the Apollo 3. Down here we run 4 blade PowerTech props on boats your size. I also saw in going through all the forums that TomW has done a bunch of matching props to boats. Is he still a member? If so you might want to use him. :doh:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:12 pm
by gstanfield
Tom isn't around anymore

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:16 pm
by Prarie Dog
Andy, real nice looking work. With regard to a prop, brother Dave asked me to call the guys at Powertech to figure out a prop for his TX18. The guy at Powertech told me that the props for these boats were hard to figure because they are light and unlike common production boat/motor combo's. He recommended that we put the prop off of my GF18 on his TX18 to generate some numbers so we would have a starting point. He said doing this would probably allow him to nail the app on the first try. It took two try's on my GF because the prop I started with was just a common alluminum prop that came with the motor. Powertech will exchange a prop for $50 plus shipping so effectively it cost $100 to try one of theirs. It's probably a good idea to buy a cheapo alluminum prop to start with then you have a backup to carry with you after you get a stainless. The guy at Powertech I talk to is named Jeff Whidden. :D
You can check out their website and read about the different props and their uses so you have a rough idea of what you want. They have semicleavers, semiweedless, etc. The website explains the pro's and con's of the different types. I have the semiweedless which is kind of strange looking, it has tremendous bite but is a little slower than the cheap alluminum prop. If I had gone with the cleaver style it would have been faster on the top but less bite.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:16 pm
by Hope2float
Sorry for the jack Hey George what happened to TomW. Dave

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:21 pm
by gstanfield
Dave, in the interest of keeping good manners I'd rather not derail Smokey's build thread with talk about non-related stuff. I'll shoot you an e-mail about it. I'm not trying to be rude, but rather the opposite. I just want to show respect to Smoky as this is his build thread. :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:22 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I also saw in going through all the forums that TomW has done a bunch of matching props to boats. Is he still a member?
No, he is no longer with us. I think his prop calculations were over-rated...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:24 pm
by Doc_Dyer
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:33 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I wonder if anyone has ever been banned twice :doh:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:35 pm
by Cracker Larry
That was too easy :lol: Like fishing in a barrel :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:38 pm
by cape man
I feel guilty just reading this. Wasn't there just a discussion on another thread about hunting with bait?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:42 pm
by Cracker Larry
:lol: Good thing it's not illegal.

Craig, did you get my text message?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:45 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Wasn't there just a discussion on another thread about hunting with bait?
We are fishing :lol: Usually you put the bait out and wait for the fish, sometimes the fish shows up and you gotta throw the bait right at 'em :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 9:56 pm
by gstanfield
In the right pond I've actually caught fish without any bait, just a bare hook. Sometimes it's just that easy :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 10:05 pm
by Doc_Dyer
In Alaska in the early sixties
They used to catch salmon with a noose just put it in and they swim right into it
Then yank them out

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 10:51 pm
by Cracker Larry
We used to snag mullet with a bare treble hook. This was easier :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:31 pm
by Aripeka Angler
We used to use dynamite in the early 70's in Boone, Nc. I guess the statue of limitations has run out :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 12:57 am
by nc_robbie
Smokey Mountain, I have enjoyed watching your build, and have even learned much from what you have done. Your PH is looking good hope to see it in the water soon!!!! :D
Rob

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 1:23 am
by Cracker Larry
I also saw in going through all the forums that TomW has done a bunch of matching props to boats. Is he still a member? If so you might want to use him. :doh:
I'd might rather use someone who has actually had a boat, built one, or put a prop on one, at least once :doh:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 6:07 am
by majorgator
SmokeyMountain I'm new here but why the Apollo 3. Down here we run 4 blade PowerTech props on boats your size. I also saw in going through all the forums that TomW has done a bunch of matching props to boats. Is he still a member? If so you might want to use him.
Alabamajon might want to check with TomW about the prop on his tired old flats boat that he keeps mentioning on his other posts. Might not be such a bad boat if he'd just get the right prop on it :wink: I wonder what kind of boat that is anyway :doh:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 7:18 am
by SmokyMountain
Smokey Mountain, I have enjoyed watching your build, and have even learned much from what you have done. Your PH is looking good hope to see it in the water soon!!!!
Thanks Rob. I hope I don't lead you too far astray . :)

I feel guilty just reading this. Wasn't there just a discussion on another thread about hunting with bait?
Capeman,
I laughed out loud when I read that. Personally I think whether you use live bait or artificial doesn't really matter... it's all in the presentation :wink: .

Up here in the mountains, some of the old timers can catch brook trout without bait. Sneak up real "quite-like" and ease your hand down and tickle their belly ... puts them in a trance... 8O

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 10:02 am
by Cracker Larry
Sounds like catfish noodling :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 10:41 am
by majorgator
Sneak up real "quite-like" and ease your hand down and tickle their belly ... puts them in a trance...
Sounds like catfish noodling
When did this thread become so provocative? Image

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri May 13, 2011 12:13 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Test

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:42 am
by SmokyMountain
After vacationing, coaching for a soccer tournement and generally being busy for most of June, I've finally gotten back on the boat!! A few thing accomplished over the past couple of weeks: baitwell sidewalls installed and configured, fuel tank being permanently installed, front deck glassed / rough cut to size and motor well side wall installed. Upcoming work for this week: Finish gas tank installation, coat lockers with colored epoxy, start on the guttering system / lockers hatches on front deck.

Gas tank - Bedding
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I framed the top and installed some strips of neoprene rubber on the sides to prevent lateral movement.

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Lid. I left the business end the tank exposed so I can get to fuel sender and hoses for maintenance in the front lockers.

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I configured the bait well so the connections are in the bilge except for the intake which I'll install a 4" access hatch in bulkhead E. I also haven't drilled the intake hole because I haven't gotten my pump yet and need to see what the elevation will need to be once the thru hull intake, sea cock and pump are put together.
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Motor well sides. The top of the motor well will cantilever over a bit past the sides, because my access hatch to the scupper are in the way :oops: , didn't think that one thru all the way.. should be no problem. I'm going to recess the well 4" at the transom, my baystar steering system say a minimum of 5", but I have a hydraulic jack plate :D . I'll just raise an inch when trimming up all the way.

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Rough cut front deck. I cut it out with about 1/2" extra on the sides and the front arrow head piec is spliced (a little bit longer than 8' :x ) I think I'm going to like the extended casting deck. Plenty of room :!:
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 9:20 am
by Doc_Dyer
you will have to paint a big X on the deck to keep aircraft from trying to land on that deck :roll:

should have been a little further back tho :wink:

bout time some pics were posted

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2011 10:47 am
by Uncle D
Wow, an 8' deck. fish in the day and set up a tent at nite. LOL That does look cool. On my last boat I extended my casting decks from 4' to 6' and was always happy I did. Glad to see your back at it. Don

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:11 pm
by chopperman
Good progress Andrew. We should both have no problem making the deadline for next year's meet :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:41 pm
by Prarie Dog
Great looking work Andrew, looks like we bought our bait-tank from the same guys.
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:50 pm
by SmokyMountain
Great looking work Andrew, looks like we bought our bait-tank from the same guys.
Yes it does, 8) Live Bait Larry? I thought it was the best price for what you got and was one of the few that fit in space I needed.
Funny, I saw the picture in the gallery before I saw it on this post and thought "Hey somebody's been to see Larry!!"

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:54 pm
by Prarie Dog
SmokyMountain wrote:Yes it does, Live Bait Larry? I thought it was the best price for what you got and was one of the few that fit in space I needed.
Funny, I saw the picture in the gallery before I saw it on this post and thought "Hey somebody's been to see Larry!!"
You got it, same place I bought mine, cheap and easy, it also works great. When we installed mine Grandpa made a top peice that we glude to the tank then glued the deck down on top of that. It has a 1' square hatch on top of it. Right in front of the motorwell.
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:45 am
by cottontop
That front deck is huge! I was wondering where you were. Good to see you're back at it. Your work is wonderful. John

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:00 am
by SmokyMountain
That front deck is huge! I was wondering where you were. Good to see you're back at it. Your work is wonderful.
Thanks John. I like a large deck, never know when you might have a party!! :) It's been a busy summer, but I'm plugging along slowly but surely...going to start on the gutting system for the hatches this weekend.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:45 pm
by SmokyMountain
I've been working on the gutter / framing system for the front deck. I plan to make the gutter integral to the framing and killing two bird with one stone.

I took a 2x4 ripped 1inch off (of which I'll use for cleats) and routered a 3/4" gutter. Like others have done.
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Here is the first frame cut out. I haven't routered the gutter yet. Trying to think of the best most accurate and easiest way to do that around an arc. :help: Any suggestion appreciated. :!: All of the splices will be sitting on cleats and the span between bulkheads are solid.
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Won't be doing any work this weekend - TX here I come 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:45 pm
by chopperman
SmokyMountain wrote:Here is the first frame cut out. I haven't routered the gutter yet. Trying to think of the best most accurate and easiest way to do that around an arc. :help: Any suggestion appreciated. :!: All of the splices will be sitting on cleats and the span between bulkheads are solid.
I'm certainly not an expert with a router, but it seems that the most accurate way to arc your gutter cut would be to make a jig for the router base to track around.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:21 pm
by SmokyMountain
I'm certainly not an expert with a router, but it seems that the most accurate way to arc your gutter cut would be to make a jig for the router base to track around.



That's my plan. I'll make some kind of jig with a dowel or something similar sticking down to trace on the outside. I plan on gluing up some of the frames tonight so I can route tomorrow. I definitely practice on some scrap :lol: .

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:52 pm
by flyfishingmonk
I agree with the jig idea. Should be easy to attach to the underside of the router base. Is this a plunge router you are using?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:55 pm
by SmokyMountain
Is this a plunge router you are using?

Yes, it is. Since the gutter is a uniform width, I may add a dowel on either side of the work piece. I'll need to try that in turns.

Casey,

I have you template all packaged and will be in today's mail. I meant to get it out earlier... sorry.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:04 pm
by flyfishingmonk
That would be great. Thank you very much.

Casey

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:58 am
by SmokyMountain
Worked on the locker frames this weekend, got the anchor and two arched frames glued and routed. The jig I made worked pretty good. I have a few "woogies" but will put a little goo in and fair them out.

Router Jig
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Anchor locker
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Arched Frame
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Layout
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I've got to finish the rectangular frames. They should be a lot easier. Slowly but surely .... :D I think I'm going to get the colored epoxy in the locker spaces too... I'm getting sick of seeing the same thing .... this detail work is slow :!: :x

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:07 pm
by chopperman
You're frames came out nice :lol: You're jig for the router was simple and effective...Just the way I like it :wink: I know what you mean by the slow detail work.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:14 pm
by Prarie Dog
Very nice work, Andy :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:28 pm
by tobolamr
Impressive frames!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:35 pm
by sds
That is impressive router work. I'd have been sweating bullets.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:02 pm
by Cracker Larry
Dang, I like that jig Andy 8) I would have never thought of doing it like that. Thanks for sharing the idea, I'm sure I'll use it in the future :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:00 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I am glad you gave me a heads up to check out those frames :oops: That is a great idea and very nice work 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 9:51 pm
by flyfishingmonk
I received the jig. Thank you for sending it to me!

I like what you have done with those hatches.

Casey

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:11 pm
by SmokyMountain
Thank for the complements on the previous post guys!! I got really tired of messing with the gutters and wanted to see some change so.... I got the front deck fitted and cut the hatches out 8O. I made a few woogies but nothing I cant fix :D

Bradley came up with a good idea to hold the deck in place and be able to take it on and off with out having to constantly readjust.
I just drilled some dowel in the sheer clamp on either site, works great !!
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I drew out the center line of the deck and based the location of the hatches off that baseline. Here are the hatch templates bolted down and ready to be cut. (Thanks Richard - These are the BOMB!!! 8) )
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I wanted to use a pattern bit (roller on the top) but could not find one locally that was a 1/4", so I used a straight 1/4" bit with a pattern jig that screwed into the router housing. It had a flange that stuck down about a 1/4" inch. I used it like you would a roller. I worked good, but it I had to do it over again I would have ordered a pattern bit. .. live and learn...
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View from the bow.
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I'm about to finish up the gutters and will be fitting them with the hatches soon.

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:42 pm
by Cracker Larry
Lookin' good Andy 8) Keys next spring :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 9:38 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I drew out the center line of the deck and based the location of the hatches off that baseline. Here are the hatch templates bolted down and ready to be cut. (Thanks Richard - These are the BOMB!!! 8) )
Looks great Andy 8) Glad they worked out for you :) I can't wait to see you sneaking up on some fish in the Keys...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:07 pm
by Prarie Dog
Great looking work Andy. Looks like you have room for Bradley and you to flyfish off that front deck at the same time. Man that thing is big. :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2011 10:40 pm
by chopperman
Nice Andy. I'm trying to keep up with you :D I like the dowel idea. Once I get pigmented epoxy on the lockers, I'll do the same with my deck.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:19 am
by tech_support
very nice, those are some large hatches :D You might need to core the hatch or frame it out for stiffness.

holy hatch holes :!:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:26 pm
by SmokyMountain
Keys next spring
I can't wait to see you sneaking up on some fish in the Keys...
Yeah, I'm stoked about the Key's!! Looks like we found a place to rent on Grassy Key!!
Looks like you have room for Bradley and you to fly fish off that front deck at the same time
That's the plan :lol: I'm a lefty and he's a righty. It works out well, with a fly rod.
very nice, those are some large hatches You might need to core the hatch or frame it out for stiffness.
Thanks Joel, you are right; they are big, but I think they should hold. I'm using a gutter system that will be integral to the framing for the deck. If they aren't stiff enough I'll bi-ax and add some stiffeners.

Here is a pic of the frames. It's a routered 2x4 that will sit on cleats attached to the bulkheads.

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Thanks for the complements guys. I can't wait to hit the water :!:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:28 pm
by Uncle D
Prarie Dog wrote:Great looking work Andy. Looks like you have room for Bradley and you to flyfish off that front deck at the same time. Man that thing is big. :D
If it starts a storm you guys can wait it out in the hatches. 8O

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:20 pm
by tobolamr
Those are some darned impressive hatch gutters there, my good fellow. Not to say there aren't other darned impressive ones out there, too... But those are impressive...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:25 pm
by flyfishingmonk
I second that darned.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:51 pm
by Cracker Larry
It makes me feel downright inadequate with my factory made plastic hatches :|

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:07 pm
by Steven
I routed out my gutters in a simlar fashion with a 3/4" cove bit. 3.25 oz. cloth will work in the gutters.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:17 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Looking good Andrew.

What size cove bit did you use?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:17 pm
by SmokyMountain
If it starts a storm you guys can wait it out in the hatches.
:lol: :lol: Yeah, I might have a hotdog stand in there too, in case I get hungry :lol: :lol:

Those are some darned impressive hatch gutters there, my good fellow.
Thanks :!:
t makes me feel downright inadequate with my factory made plastic hatches
Naw ... you can make some when you start your FS18. By the way I was impressed with Hooter's FS18!!
I routed out my gutters in a simlar fashion with a 3/4" cove bit. 3.25 oz. cloth will work in the gutters.
I used a 3/4" too. I just copied the gutter cross section that's been floating around. I just made mine a little beefer because of the larger openings. All I have is 6oz. I'll order some 3.25, that should lay a lot better in the channel.

Casey like I said above: 3/4" round nose / cove bit - 3/4" deep. I had to make three passes to get to depth.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:35 pm
by majorgator
That's some fine looking work Andy. And its hard to imagine a hatch too large. My plastic hatches looked big when I bought them, but not so much anymore.

seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 8:37 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Ok great. I was looking at what Home Depot has but they only had the 1/4 shank. I'll pick one up online with the 1/2 shank. Thanks for your help!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:28 pm
by Steven
flyfishingmonk wrote:Ok great. I was looking at what Home Depot has but they only had the 1/4 shank. I'll pick one up online with the 1/2 shank. Thanks for your help!

Definately. I went with the 1/4" cause that's what they had and I wanted it done that day. Small flex left some ridges I had to sand out. Not a big deal, but just that much more work. I always get 1/2" if I can. I know better. :)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:31 pm
by davidtx
SmokyMountain wrote:
very nice, those are some large hatches You might need to core the hatch or frame it out for stiffness.
Thanks Joel, you are right; they are big, but I think they should hold. I'm using a gutter system that will be integral to the framing for the deck. If they aren't stiff enough I'll bi-ax and add some stiffeners.
I think he meant the hatch lids themselves. How thick are they going to be?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 9:46 pm
by Steven
Also, that 3.25oz. will take a tight radius I routed the upper outside lip of the gutter with a 1/4" roundover and covered it over with the 3.25 oz.


The inner edge I routed a rabbit and taped some 1/4 packing tape covered strips to make a dam. I filled that with a wood flour, milled fiber putty. I figure that inner edge will take a beating an it's now much tougher than coated wood.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:44 am
by SmokyMountain
I think he meant the hatch lids themselves. How thick are they going to be?

Ohhhhh... They are 3/8", they may need stiffeners ... once the gutters are in I'll put the hatches down and walk on them to see how they flex... :help:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:33 am
by Doc_Dyer
SmokyMountain wrote: walk on them to see how they flex... :help:
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

luckly im loosing weight,
better get them done soon so we can see if they will hold up
after we fall off the diet wagon and return to larger people :wink:

8) 8O 8O
CHECK SIGNATURE
8) 8O 8O

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:56 am
by Cracker Larry
:lol: Yeah, he's been back a while. Lives in Wisconsin now I think :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 12:29 pm
by Doc_Dyer
:(

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:07 pm
by wegcagle
I'll say it again, you boys are good. I wish I had half the B.S.ometer ya'll have. I just found it :(

Will

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:49 pm
by tobolamr
Uhm, I'm not a builder (yet) - But I have to ask ---- If the lids on that are 3/8" thick, couldn't they be stiffened by laminating both sides with cloth? And if so, how heavy do you really need to stiffen it up? :doh: Or is my thinking too simple? Thanks for letting me learn and take more notes on what to do when I get a build going!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 3:56 pm
by Cracker Larry
I'll say it again, you boys are good
Like shooting fish in a barrel, Will :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 4:50 pm
by tech_support
tobolamr wrote:Uhm, I'm not a builder (yet) - But I have to ask ---- If the lids on that are 3/8" thick, couldn't they be stiffened by laminating both sides with cloth? And if so, how heavy do you really need to stiffen it up? :doh: Or is my thinking too simple? Thanks for letting me learn and take more notes on what to do when I get a build going!
the hatch lids will flex quite a bit because the edges are not fixed (wouldn't be a lid if they were :) )

you can stiffen them by adding a thicker core, or by framing the underside. I would probably just create a wood framing, since they are wood hatch. One way to do it is make something that resembles window pain, the outside would run around the hatch lid just inside of where it will rest on your gutters and a "+" patern through the middle. Height of the stiffener is more important the width, its basically a stringer.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:36 pm
by tobolamr
That is immensely helpful. Thank you!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 8:05 am
by majorgator
Yeah, he's been back a while. Lives in Wisconsin now I think
He sure is a transient little booger :wink: Sheesh :roll: :roll:

seth

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:11 pm
by cape man
Been busy and out of pocket for a while. Nice work on the hatches!! That is sweet.

What'd I miss? Where did he appear? :lol: :lol:

kiwi grip rollers?....

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:48 am
by SmokyMountain
Been busy and out of pocket for a while. Nice work on the hatches!! That is sweet.

What'd I miss? Where did he appear?
Thanks !!

Check out the 1st locked thread on pg 2 of "Questions before Purchasing"...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:30 pm
by cape man
:D :cry: funny but sad...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:20 pm
by SmokyMountain
Got some work done on the boat this week while I watched it rain. (Needed the rain!!) I wish I could ship some to Texas :( .


I had some bow droop and made some shims to fix the gap between the deck and sheer. I have to say that was a pain.. but it's done and the deck is level with minimal gaps which will be filled when installed.
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Front deck cleats are installed,
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I placed the gutter and adjusted some of the top deck cleats... everything fits with in the space. I won't permanently install this until I glass the channels and pigment coat the lockers. The 3.25 oz glass is on it way :D . I also have to install the front support for the anchor locker.... and bunch of other odd and ends..
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I couldn't resist and threw the deck on to see how everything will line up....so far everything looks good. :D
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I also put on a couple of hatches and tested the flex / sturdiness. There was a small abount of flex, I will definetly need to glass the underside and install some hatch braces underneath... don't want to break one juming on to the boat off the dock :oops: .

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 1:46 pm
by tech_support
8) for sure

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:29 pm
by cape man
That my man is an AWESOME looking deck! Rock on!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 8:37 am
by Cracker Larry
Yep, that's got to be one of the nicest decks I've seen! Looks great.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 10:41 am
by chopperman
I like how you incorporated your gutters into the framework. NICE 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:35 pm
by tobolamr
Really... amazingly... wow... nice job... can I steal those ideas when I build? :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:08 pm
by SmokyMountain
Thanks for the complements guys!! This stuff takes a lot of time but I don't plan on building another boat this big for a while...
Really... amazingly... wow... nice job... can I steal those ideas when I build?
Thanks... Steal all you want... I took the basic hatch layout from a Hews flats boat and the basic gutter cross section I stole from someone... :doh: don't remember who.. :?:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 4:00 pm
by flyfishingmonk
I like it too! I'm getting some goooood ideas from your work.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2011 7:46 pm
by davidtx
Very, very nice. I see fabricated hatches in my next build.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 10:58 am
by Uncle D
I'd like to do the same, but not sure I have the skill. Awesome Andrew.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:05 pm
by Steven
One thing with the hatches and the 3/4" gutter I almost ran into. If your hatch has lips that protrude down into the gutter, be sure the hinge side doesn't protrude too far. Otherwise it will hit the inside wall of your gutter and not tip up. From the top of the hatch to the bottom of the lip can only be about 9/16". The sides and front aren't as critical.

If you are going to use Piano hinges, wish I had, the gutter on the hings side will need to be wider than 3/4" to accomodate.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 7:10 am
by SmokyMountain
Steven, Thanks for the head-up. I haven't decided if I will make a lip or not. The lot of lip making since I have so many hatches :lol: !! I was thinking of finding some thin rubber material to install on the inner lip of the hatches to make them as water proof as possible.

I'd like to do the same, but not sure I have the skill. Awesome Andrew.
Thanks Uncle, It not so much skill as knowing how to use CAD and having access to a large format plotter to make paper templates for the gutters. Also practicing on some scrap wood before you start..

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 11:39 am
by Uncle D
SmokyMountain wrote: It not so much skill as knowing how to use CAD and having access to a large format plotter to make paper templates for the gutters.
Guess I'll using CAD for Dummies.... cardboard and my super duper scissors. :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 4:29 pm
by Cracker Larry
Guess I'll using CAD for Dummies.... cardboard and my super duper scissors.
That's more along my technical level also Don. T&H Marine plastic suits my skills even better :lol:

Andy, are you and Bradley ready to catch some fish :?: :D I'm anxious to play with Richard's new toy too 8)

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:07 pm
by Uncle D
Cracker Larry wrote:T&H Marine plastic suits my skills even better :lol:
I like these production hatches. Guess I'll go with them since I'll probably not get Andy to build and ship me a set even if I have the same build. :wink: J/K amigo, anyway I bookmarked T&H. Thanks, Larry

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 5:19 pm
by SmokyMountain
Andy, are you and Bradley ready to catch some fish I'm anxious to play with Richard's new toy too
Heck Yeah :!: :!: Can't wait!!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 6:37 pm
by Cracker Larry
Heck Yeah :!: :!: Can't wait!!
Me either :!: I'm ready to bend some big rods again :D I'll bring the meat hook.
I like these production hatches. Guess I'll go with them since I'll probably not get Andy to build and ship me a set even if I have the same build. :wink: J/K amigo, anyway I bookmarked T&H.
I've got a mix of Tempress and T&H on my boat and like the T&H better for about the same money. The last 2 rebuilds I did, I put T&H hatches in them. A good source is http://greatlakesskipper.com/category-1 ... ndows.html

That is their website, but they have a huge Ebay store and the prices are better on ebay. I've bought 16 hatches from them and been happy with all of them.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:07 pm
by SmokyMountain
Been busy the last few weeks, unfornutaley it hasn't been on the boat. :x

This last weekend I got the rear deck hatches / motor well cut out.
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Motor well. 2" offset on each side to make it look better.
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Used CL's hot glue method to cut out the sides of the motor well, quick and easy!!
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I put 2 coats of pigmented epoxy and don't really like the results. I don't know if I did not put enough pigment in the epoxy or if it takes more coats. If it takes more coats, I think it would be cheaper to get some paint. I was thinking about getting some Epahanes 1 part topcoat, but was noticed the Blue water paint and it's cheap. Has anyone had used the stuff?

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Next I'm going to get the bait well permanently installed.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:21 pm
by peter-curacao
SmokyMountain wrote:I put 2 coats of pigmented epoxy and don't really like the results. I don't know if I did not put enough pigment in the epoxy or if it takes more coats. If it takes more coats, I think it would be cheaper to get some paint. I was thinking about getting some Epahanes 1 part topcoat, but was noticed the Blue water paint and it's cheap. Has anyone had used the stuff?
I had the same experience, it takes a lot of pigmented epoxy to cover the surface completely, especially in light colors like white and gray. After experiencing this when working with whitened epoxy on my bilge, I decided to use 2 component paint tinted with epoxy pigment on my lifewell.Not the brand you referring to, but similar I think :doh:
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Like your build by the way! 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:39 am
by SmokyMountain
Like your build by the way!
Thanks Peter. Nice livewell! 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:59 am
by chopperman
Andrew,

I hope I didn't mix it too thick, but I used about 1 oz of grey pigment ( 1/4 of the 4 oz container for easy measurement) in a 12 oz batch of epoxy. I had to spend several minutes mixing it because the pigment gell was so thick :!: One thick coat seems to have a nice glossy and opeque finish on the 9 oz glass, but on most of the 12 oz biaxial, the weave is still visible. I'm going for a work-boat finish in the lockers and bilge, so I only sanded the glass, and very little fairing. I'll save the fairing for the hull and deck :wink:

Peter: Your livewell is amazing. Very cool design. Makes me want to jump in and go swimming 8)

Mark

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:20 am
by SmokyMountain
I hope I didn't mix it too thick, but I used about 1 oz of grey pigment
Yeah,

My lockers are work boat finish too, not going to fair in the lockers :!: I may have put too little pigment in the epoxy. I was going off of 1oz per gallon per the instructions as stated where you buy the pigment on this website. ( I had to double / triple that just to get what I got...) Does anyone know how much is too much pigment?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:23 am
by cottontop
All of ya'lls work is sooooooo fine. Andrew, my wife and I will be in Pidgeon Forge the week of Nov. 13th. thru 18th. Where are you located? I would love to come by and see your boat, if that's ok and i can get my better half to agree to it. My email at home is "ezmorning@embarqmail.com". john

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:30 am
by chopperman
shine wrote:there is not a set ratio, but I would not go more than 1/10 pigment/mixed epoxy.

I found this post from Joel and went with it. Looks good to me :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:54 am
by SmokyMountain
I will be in Pidgeon Forge the week of Nov. 13th. thru 18th
Cottontop,

I'm about 45min-1hr away, over in Maryville. You and you wife are welcome to come by. I'll shoot you an e-mail.

Andrew

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:38 pm
by Steven
I used 1 1/2 oz. of tint per 16oz of epoxy. Two coats is plenty. It covers as well as any paint in grey.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:08 pm
by SmokyMountain
I used 1 1/2 oz. of tint per 16oz of epoxy. Two coats is plenty. It covers as well as any paint in grey.
I think I was a little stingy on the pigment. I'll add more and re coat.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:35 pm
by SmokyMountain
Haven't posted is a while (haven't made a lot of progress :x ) I put together the rear locker gutters and got them routed and fitted. I also cut a plate that will be attached to the deck fitted over the bait well (its not fitted very well in the picture). Everything on the bait well hatch will drain into the bait well. I'll have 5-6 days off in a row over Thanksgiving 8) to work on the boat. Now that's soccer is over for the winter, I'll be hitting it hard!!

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Cottontop, it was great meeting you and your wife again, come by anytime if your in the area, it's fun to talk boats... my wife is sota over the subject.. 8O If someone would have said 8-10 years ago that I would meet all kinds of great folks over an Internet forum, I would have though they were crazy... go figure. :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:38 pm
by peter-curacao
8O That's amazing very nice 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:42 pm
by Cracker Larry
Looks great Andy :!: I told ya John and Shella were good folks :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:43 pm
by SP
Andrew,

Your build is looking great.

I am going to be moving to the Knoxville area early next year to be closer to family and won't start my build until I move.

Where did you get your plywood from? I haven't been able to find a place that sells meranti or okoume marine plywood anywhere in E. TN.

Sean

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:41 pm
by Joe H
WOW Andy, the rear lockers look great, keep up the nice work.

Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:07 pm
by SmokyMountain
I've been working mostly the on the rod lockers and rod tubes. I tried to find some schedule 20 – 2” PVC but couldn't find any so I used schedule 40. I’ll be finishing up the lockers this weekend.

The tube are fit; it was pretty tight getting those around the bow area....good thing is that I won't have to do too much for a permanent install. :D A little goo on either side and they wont be going anywhere.

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On the inside of the rod locker I cut out three pices of Ash. The bottom piece is lett into each bulkhead to transfer weight to the boat. The middle will be laminated to bottom and the top small piece will be laminated to the lid as a lip. I'll then cover them with a 1/4" piece of Okoume or Meranti.

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The top I cut out over-sized so I could flush cut it to size with the router.
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I've flush cut the outside of the top. Next I plan to router the inside of the sheer clamp with a flush cut bit so it will follow the contour of the sheer. The strip will be about 2inches wide. I will then install a piano hinge to the sheer clamp and to the top to act as a lid.

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I'm goting to start cutting holes in the front deck to start fitting hardward. I'm getting there.... :)

Sean - I got all of my marine plywood from Bateau. They have great prices and I had my stuff dropped shipped to a trucking compnay and picked up. The other wood I got like the Ash is from Jefferies Woodworks in Seymour. They have about everthing thing known to man. It's all rough lumber but they will straight line and plane to your specifications. Here is a pic of woodworkers heaven. 8) Sorry I didn't answer earlier.... I meant too but forgot. :oops:

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:25 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Andy, your boat looks great :) 6 months til the Keys, looks like you are going to get her there 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:58 am
by chopperman
Coming along nicely, my friend. Keep pushing forward 8) The finish line is in sight!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:20 am
by Cracker Larry
Looking good Andy! I really like the rod lockers 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:58 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Cracker Larry wrote:Looking good Andy! I really like the rod lockers 8)
Yea they are stout enough for me to stand on
Which says a lot ;)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:38 pm
by Cracker Larry
Yea they are stout enough for me to stand on
Which says a lot
It says a lot if either one of you can stand on them :D They grow those Tennessee mountain men in extra large 8O

Speaking of East Tennessee, I saw a show on the History channel where they featured the moonshine still where those cherries yall brought me were made 8) Kick ass cherries 8O

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:37 pm
by cottontop
Good to see some pics Andrew. The craftsmanship looks good in the pics, but is is excellent to see your work in progress. Thanks again for the fine hospitality you showed Shella and I. John

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:14 pm
by SmokyMountain
Thanks guys!! Yeah got to make the rod lockers stout!! Got the inside strip routed today and the inside cleats fit, the piano hinges cut and the extra backing plate on the top of the locker laminated to accept screws. I'll post pic tomorrow.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:39 pm
by SmokyMountain
Had a frustrating day figuring our the hinge configuration for the rod locker. Everything was going well until I started attaching the hinge. As i got to the curve of the bow I noticed real quick that when I would open the lid the hinge wanted to go into two different directions. :x ....sooo after muttering some colorful metaphors I tried to configure every which way and thought I was going to have to completely trash the locker top and start over. After bulkhead C the boat straightens out, so I cut the hing only to fit the straight part of the sheer. I'll put a cleat underneath the unhinged part of the lid to support weight. I guess if I would I have thought about it I should have realized the hinge problem before I tried to install. I never really messed with piano hinges before ....live and learn.. :oops: Piano hinges don't like curves...

Test fit lid: Hinge ends just short of bulkhead.

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The next two pictures showed my problem with the change in direction and curvature of the sheer.

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The hinge ends about where the locker top meets the boat.

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:55 am
by flyfishingmonk
SmokyMountain wrote:Piano hinges don't like curves...


Well it sure looks sharp and is gonna be awfully handy.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:59 am
by stickystuff
Easiest way is to scribe the shear piece first. This will give you a straight piece for the hige. Neat idea. this will keep the flyrods out of harms way. :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:13 am
by SmokyMountain
Thanks Casey.

Ken,

That's a great idea, wish I would have thought of that or had someone tell me that sooner :oops: . I like that way better then what I'm going to do... (though it will work) I've already cut my piano hinges and the last piece of 3/8" meranti big enough for the tops.

Thanks

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:08 pm
by SmokyMountain
I've been busy prepping the front deck and gutters for installation. I have all the backing plates laminated and holes cut out on the deck and the gutters glassed, sanded and installed. I hope to have the front deck installed by the end of this weekend; before deck installation the gutter drain system has to be configured and a few cross braces between some the open spaces of the gutters and sheer. I also have to spray some truck bed liner in the anchor locker....figure that would protect the locker from stuff banging around. I'm using pex water plumbing to drain the gutters.


Gutter Installed!! :D

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 8:52 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Wow that's looking really good!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:32 pm
by chopperman
I like the truck bed liner idea. That should protect it well :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:04 am
by Prarie Dog
Looking real nice Andrew, let me know how the truck bed liner works, we glassed in two layers of 12oz in the anchor locker on the Popping Cork then grandpa threw an old floor mat in there. He says it's easy to pull it all out, hose the mat off, the anchor off and flush the locker, it drains onto the sole. Great looking work on the hatches and gutters, anytime you want to come to Colorado and give a class in advanced woodworking the doors open. :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 6:25 am
by cottontop
8) :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:07 am
by tech_support
very impressive stuff. 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2012 4:35 pm
by SmokyMountain
Thanks guys!! I like the look of the lockers and I know I'll be happy with them in the long run, but they are a pain in the butt to finish out. :!: I was going to spray the truck bed liner but have decided to paint on instead after discussing with Bradley. I'll let you know how that turns out.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:08 pm
by SmokyMountain
Big milestone today. Got the front deck permanently attached. Bradly came over to help. I went a lot faster than by my lonesome.
I've been ready to attach the deck since last week but was waiting for a warm day to coat the anchor locker with some truck bed-liner. Finally it warmed up enough Wednesday for me to go home at lunch and put a coat on.
The rear deck is almost ready. Hopefully it will be permanent in a week or so.

I mixed the peanut butter and Bradley applied. If you look at the inside sheer clamp I leveled it out with some thickened epoxy last week. I wrapped the edge of the deck in plastic and it self leveled. Made for a nice seamless installation.

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The front deck clamped!! 8) I clamped at the lockers and used a few screws along the inside sheer clamp.

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jan 21, 2012 10:25 pm
by chopperman
That is a huge milestone, Andrew :!: The deck looks real good up against your gutters. Keep up that momentum :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:38 am
by Cracker Larry
Yep, that's a milestone for sure! About time Bradley did something :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:13 am
by Doc_Dyer
Cracker Larry wrote:Yep, that's a milestone for sure! About time Bradley did something :lol:
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

:wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:04 am
by Aripeka Angler
Awesome work guys, looking great :) Four months to go ( as if you REALLY need me to remind you :wink: ) I am looking forward to seeing her in the Keys.....

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:51 am
by majorgator
Big milestone today. Got the front deck permanently attached. Bradly came over to help.
May the fairing and sanding continue :wink: Make sure Bradley comes over to help with that too :D :D

Lookin good!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:33 pm
by cape man
Go baby Go!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:04 pm
by SmokyMountain
The Keys meet is fast approaching and I’m under the gun….. or at the very least might owe Larry a bottle of his finest. 8O I’ve been working away at the little stuff on the weekdays and the big on the weekends. I got the front deck taped and the rear gutter permanently attached along with a lot of small stuff. I should have the rear deck (minus motor well attached by the weekend. Next are the rod lockers and motor well. Both are already cut out and should go quickly.

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Bildge pads glued into place.
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:12 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Awesome 8) You'll make it :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:20 pm
by chopperman
Andrew,

I feel your pain. That's the pace we have to keep to make it. If it were just a bottle of Larry's favorate, I myself, would consider slowing the pace. But, to have our boats in the key's this year is what is driving me :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:36 pm
by flyfishingmonk
Lookin Good!!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:51 pm
by peter-curacao
Nice hatch gutters 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:23 pm
by SmokyMountain
But, to have our boats in the key's this year is what is driving me

Amen Brother!!!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:25 pm
by Cracker Larry
I can taste it already :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:16 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Cracker Larry wrote:I can taste it already :lol:
NOT IF I HAVE TO DRIVE to Maryville every night between now and june :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:43 pm
by wegcagle
That deck looks great. 8) You'll get there by June. Just don't get tempted by the gods of the shortcut. It doesn't end well.

Will

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:01 pm
by SmokyMountain
Just don't get tempted by the gods of the shortcut. It doesn't end well.

I completely agree!! I tell myself that a lot...no short cuts do it right. :!:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:32 pm
by Cracker Larry
Cracker Larry wrote:I can taste it already :lol:
Postby Doc_Dyer »
NOT IF I HAVE TO DRIVE to Maryville every night between now and june :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :wink:
:lol: :lol: :lol: Sure seems easier just to buy the bottle, but you got just over 4 months. Better start driving, hope you are sanding tonite. BTW, the redfish bite has been off the charts with this mild weather. Yall ought to waste some more building time and come back down fishing with me :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:50 pm
by SmokyMountain
BTW, the redfish bite has been off the charts with this mild weather. Yall ought to waste some more building time and come back down fishing with me
Don't temp me. :lol: I've been sequestered to the boat dungeon until I get done. :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:53 am
by Doc_Dyer
SmokyMountain wrote:
BTW, the redfish bite has been off the charts with this mild weather. Yall ought to waste some more building time and come back down fishing with me
Don't temp me. :lol: I've been sequestered to the boat dungeon until I get done. :lol:
don't think i'll even ask :oops:

Gavin could be here at any time between now and March 11th :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:25 am
by Doc_Dyer
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hard to believe your front deck has been glassed on for 2 months now :oops:
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just a little reality check to push you along :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:10 pm
by cottontop
Bradley expressed my sentiments exactly. I've had to look at other peoples builds for my "boat porn" :roll: . John

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 7:55 am
by SmokyMountain
I've had to look at other peoples builds for my "boat porn" . John

I understand completely :D It's a terminal sickness.... :!: I'll post some pics later today.. it's not a whole lot to look at... in one word I've been FAIRING :cry: Hopefully the sheers will be ready to prime by the end of the weekend. I've got the primary fairing done, but need to go back over one more time and then do the guide coat to see where I'm at. Ive got to have paint on by May, so I have a month to rig..... cutting it close.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:55 pm
by chopperman
You had me worried 8O I thought the pic Doc posted was the most current. It's going to be close as it is :!:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:20 pm
by Cracker Larry
What a man will do for a bottle of good rum :lol: :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:06 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Cracker Larry wrote:What a man will do for a bottle of good rum :lol: :lol:
Ahhh I can taste it now :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:58 pm
by Cracker Larry
You ain't cheating, are ya :lol: I can taste it too, and I don't care who buys :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:13 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Cracker Larry wrote:You ain't cheating, are ya :lol: I can taste it too, and I don't care who buys :D
I wouldn't call it cheating
But he will get it done
If we have to take a weeks vacation BEFORE our vacation 8O

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:16 pm
by Cracker Larry
The things 2 men will do to split a bottle of rum 3 ways :? We're going to need more rum :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:20 pm
by Aripeka Angler
But he will get it done
I'm rooting for you Andy 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:24 pm
by Cracker Larry
So am I. We're still going to need more than 1 bottle of rum :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 10:59 pm
by Prarie Dog
Go Andy Go. We're trying to get a few things worked out so we can come down, I want a ride on that bad boy. :D

I really understand the no pics deal. You sand and smear, then repeat the process and it's frustrating and not really picture worthy so you don't take any. We were getting bogged down in that deal on T's skiff and decided to flip it and do cleats. Two guys can flip his little boat so it's easy to shift gears and give the fairing a rest. We're pulling for you, it's looking 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:07 pm
by Cracker Larry
We're pulling for you,
Dang Paul, I've got to buy the rum and they are cheating by double teaming me, and you are pulling for them :help: You better haul a boat down with you, or pull strong, because if theirs isn't finished you might be fishing off the dock, along with them :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:19 am
by Prarie Dog
Cracker Larry wrote:Dang Paul, I've got to buy the rum and they are cheating by double teaming me, and you are pulling for them You better haul a boat down with you, or pull strong, because if theirs isn't finished you might be fishing off the dock, along with them
:lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 7:11 am
by SmokyMountain
What a man will do for a bottle of good rum
I'll pay you in rum if you fair this sucker for me :lol: :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 10:23 am
by Cracker Larry
If I were closer, I'd sure help you fair it. Bring it down here and we'll knock it out quick 8) I just finished one yesterday and need something to do anyway :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 6:11 pm
by chopperman
Heck Andy,

You're making it too complicated. Just slap some primer on it, steering,outboard/controls, and registration stickers to make it legal. No one said it had to be pretty to float in the keys :D Just kiddin' :lol: It's crunch time for me also. If all goes well, I'll be painting next week.

Mark

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:19 am
by SmokyMountain
ChopperMan - I'm feeling the pressure too. I may have to do the center console a little sloppy and finish better after the trip.... :? Your about 2-3 weeks ahead of me. I'm taking next Wed, Thu and Fri off. Hopefully I'll be priming at the end of that weekend. If I can be ready to start rigging by very early May, I think I can make it. No poling platform, but hey I'll get there one way or another...
I just finished one yesterday and need something to do anyway
Wish I had that problem!! :lol: Between my kids sports and trying to get this project done is killing me.

Here are a few pics of the faring..... I love fairing especially on the sheer. 8O

Front deck is done. The good thing is most of it will be under Kiwi Grip.
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Stern 99% complete. The only thing lacking is the fairing the motor well one more time. Those small areas are a pain....
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Sheer is 80% I've got to fair over one more time before I put a guide coat on to see how much I have to power through that last 5%.
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:14 pm
by chopperman
SmokyMountain wrote:Wish I had that problem!! :lol: Between my kids sports and trying to get this project done is killing me.

Yep, life is always getting in the way. I wont show you the pictures of the overgrown yard and every other project I've let go this spring to get this done. I haven't been fishing since January :!:

Above all though, family first :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2012 12:45 pm
by nc_robbie
Your project is coming along nicely. I love to check in and see what you have done…hope to see you on the water soon, your going to love that Suzuki 90, all day on 6 gallons, and up out of the hole in a flash…have you picked out a prop yet? If so what are you planning on going with….Rob

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:18 am
by SmokyMountain
have you picked out a prop yet? If so what are you planning on going with….Rob
Rob,

I'm excited to hear that you like the Suzuki... can't wait to get her on the boat. :!: As far a the prop, I got a Michigan Wheelhouse 3 blade 19" pitch Apollo Stainless... in hindsight I probably should have gone with an aluminum to dial it in and then purchase a stainless. Leave and learn...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:29 am
by Uncle D
SmokyMountain wrote:in hindsight I probably should have gone with an aluminum to dial it in and then purchase a stainless.
Most dealers will let you test the prop and exchange if you need to go bigger, smaller etc. Hard to get the perfect prop on the first try.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:01 am
by Doc_Dyer
drove over to Andrews yesterday to remind him about the RUM :wink:

and to help get a coat of primmer on the sides and a little on the deck joint

I have to say that I was expecting at least a tape line or two to show through :oops: 8)

but it looked damn good :!: :!: :!:

he might just make it after all


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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:23 am
by SmokyMountain
Like Bradley said we got the first coat of prmer on the sheer and so far it looks better than expected. I'm going to dust it with some flat black to today and go over with the fairing board. The main thing I saw were some pinholes along the spray rails and some un-filled biax along the top of the sheer. Good thing is the rub rail will cover most of the biax :D .

First Coat of Primer!! It's hard to tell what it really looks like in pictures. You can still see the fairing compound through the first coat.

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Well on to more sanding.... :(

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:33 am
by Cracker Larry
I'm watching :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:56 am
by chopperman
YOU CAN DO IT!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:35 pm
by wadestep
Go, Go, Go!!!!
wade

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:33 pm
by Prarie Dog
I'll buy rum for everybody involved if I can ride in it at the Keys. :D

Even If, there's a little cheating going on. :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:01 am
by SmokyMountain
No rum needed for a ride!! I'll cheat as much as I have too to get her there.. :D I dusted the 1st coat of primer and sanded; overall a few low spots on each side but not as bad as I feared :D . I'll fill the low spots tonight and fair out this weekend after that stick a fork in me..... My goal is to paint the sheer / interior next weekend.


You can see the low spots that are darker in color. The bigger area is so shallow you can't feel it by touch. The low spots near the top of the sheer (above the pencil line) will be cover by the rub rail :D .... won't fill those :D

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When I'm ready to start rigging, Bradley will be helping a lot... that should cut that time down quite a bit..... running out of time :cry:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 1:31 pm
by chopperman
Looking good so far, Andy. Looks like your ready for two or three more coats of primer. Sanding the primer by hand will help prevent you from breaking through.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:47 pm
by Prarie Dog
Any progress report on this build :?: I have visions of two guys slaving away with visions of rum on their mind. Go Andy Go!!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:43 pm
by Cracker Larry
I have visions of them hiring a crew of illegals to finish that boat :P
I'll cheat as much as I have too to get her there.
See. That's the spirit 8) What's going on up there anyway?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:55 am
by SmokyMountain
I have visions of them hiring a crew of illegals to finish that boat
:lol: I seriously thought about that.... sorry I haven't posted much. If I haven't been at soccer practice / games, I've been working on the boat as much as possible.

I've been priming away at the decks and sheer / transom and filling pin holes :x . I have 4 coats of primer on the sheer and working on the final fairing of the center console and some areas in the cockpit. If all goes as planned (and it will) I will paint this weekend and finish up painting by the end of the week. I'll then start rigging ASAP. The interior of the rod locker my look like crap at the meet, but she'll be down there!!!!

Primed PH18

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:27 pm
by nc_robbie
Its looking great, and its great to see you back at it again….and I know how it can be run to soccer, t-ball, swimming lessons, jr competition fly-fishing, etc…I cant wait to hear your impression of that 90 suzu…..keep up the good work! Rob

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:29 pm
by chopperman
Now there's some progress. 8) I can't wait to see it :!:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 8:16 am
by Aripeka Angler
Nice looking work Andy! I look forward to seeing the boat in the Keys :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 8:35 am
by Doc_Dyer
uhh y'all know that aint his motor right? :roll: :wink:


this is what his still looks like

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 8:49 am
by Aripeka Angler
Doc_Dyer wrote:uhh y'all know that aint his motor right? :roll: :wink:
Yep, no confusion here :) I wouldn't expect to see a fixed stern cleat on a flyfisherman's boat :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 01, 2012 10:42 am
by SmokyMountain
My motor will be on the stern soon!!! :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 5:36 pm
by cottontop
She shore is looking good. I won't be able to see her at this years meet(saving my time for 3 week trip didn't get to go on last year{out west}). Hope to see her in December. We have a cabin rented near Sevierville at Christmas. John 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 5:49 pm
by peter-curacao
Doc_Dyer wrote:Image
SWEET! nice motor! 8) not that it matter much but nicely packed also! bit more serious as my Etec

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:02 am
by Doc_Dyer
well there are some people here who are thinking that Andrew won't be done in time :roll: :roll: :roll:

and they are thinking that they can already taste the rum :roll: :roll:

but they don't realize we mountain boys don't like to lose.....at all 8)
plus we like to fish, and we can't fish without a boat.... so it WILL be done :!: :!: :!:

I know of some other people that think this also :wink: seeing as how we are couple of weeks behind chopperman :oops:

if all goes as planned we should be rigging by this Sunday

now I aint sayin its go-na be easy....and it will be close.....but we will make it ...

better make a run to the RUM store.. :wink:

here she is with a dusting guide coat before we spent the next 5 hours sanding :?
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:06 am
by Cracker Larry
You know I'm rooting for you, big boy :lol: 4 week warning :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:11 am
by Aripeka Angler
I know of some other people that think this also

:oops:
You know I'm rooting for you, big boy
Me too, that's why I didn't take that side bet,,, :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:15 pm
by Doc_Dyer
almost first coat done 8) he ran out of paint before done :oops:

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:20 pm
by MarkOrge
I'm cheering for all you guys ! I wish I could be there to do some salt water fishing and meet the gang !!

I am projecting August to splash mine.... hopefully.... I want to make the Bass Pro Shops Open on Lake Simcoe in the fall.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:23 pm
by Cracker Larry
Looks great, men 8) What did yall do, quit your day jobs to finish this boat in time :P

Ran out of paint :?: Already :?: Sure hope that paint isn't on back-order. Fleur De Cana, Andy :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:36 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Cracker Larry wrote:Sure hope that paint isn't on back-order. Fleur De Cana, Andy :wink:
let me clarify while he paints a couple of towns away.. :wink:

he ran out of the batch he had mixed up.... Sorry Larry :roll: :wink:
he still has paint .. lots of white... so get to ordering

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:wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:37 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Cracker Larry wrote: What did yall do, quit your day jobs to finish this boat in time :P

We will do what needs to be done :wink: :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:40 pm
by Cracker Larry
Dang, what some people will do just for a a bottle of rum :lol: I think they're serious :!: They really think they can make it :doh:

Better start checking out that Ranger, change the plugs, new water pump, and oh yeah, make sure you've got clean fuel 8O Grease the trailer, check the lights, yep, yall can still make it, if you bring the Ranger :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:43 pm
by SmokyMountain
Larry

I work 4- 10hr days so I have today off. I mixed 6oz paint but ran out should have mixed 10. The final 4 is inducting as I type. I will do one more coat tomorrow evening and see if I want a 3rd. Then onto the blue on the sheer / transom. The plan is to be done painting on Saturday and start rigging et al on Sunday.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:45 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Cracker Larry wrote:Dang, what some people will do just for a a bottle of rum :lol: I think they're serious :!: They really think they can make it :doh:

Better start checking out that Ranger, change the plugs, new water pump, and oh yeah, make sure you've got clean fuel 8O Grease the trailer, check the lights, yep, yall can still make it, if you bring the Ranger :lol:
:oops: :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
FUNNY :?

but the Phantom Will be there :wink:


all I get is 2 days :(

flyin to Miami 11:30 Pm
drive to Marathon couple of hours at least
wake up Friday......FISH !!!!!
wake up Saturday ....FISH......go to meet...Drink my Rum (thanks Larry :wink: )
wake up Sunday...drive back to Miami get on plane and fly back to Tennessee :( :(

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:48 pm
by peter-curacao
Doc_Dyer wrote:
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First coat and already like a mirror 8) very nice, is there a reason not to do the hatch gutters? I'm guessing different paint, but probably I'm wrong :doh:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:49 pm
by Cracker Larry
That schedule sucks :?
wake up Saturday ....FISH......go to meet...Drink my Rum (thanks Larry
Is Andy going to share it with you?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:50 pm
by peter-curacao
You guys ever had Dominican Rum? That Fleur the Cana is a great rum also btw

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:52 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Cracker Larry wrote: Is Andy going to share it with you?
yea, but he no drinkum much :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 4:53 pm
by Doc_Dyer
peter-curacao wrote:
First coat and already like a mirror 8) very nice, is there a reason not to do the hatch gutters? I'm guessing different paint, but probably I'm wrong :doh:
Peter you are correct he is using another type of paint..on the gutters

because he wants to totally redo them next winter :oops:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 5:12 pm
by peter-curacao
Doc_Dyer wrote:
peter-curacao wrote:
First coat and already like a mirror 8) very nice, is there a reason not to do the hatch gutters? I'm guessing different paint, but probably I'm wrong :doh:
Peter you are correct he is using another type of paint..on the gutters

because he wants to totally redo them next winter :oops:
8O Why is that? those gutters look great imo.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 5:16 pm
by Doc_Dyer
technique is wrong. you will see when you get to look first hand.

He figured out how best way to do it

place regular 2x4 around secured to deck
then take plunge router, rout out square channel using deck cut out as template
then refill with epoxy glass combo
then re router with round bit a little smaller...bam....there ya go

all epoxy gutter with no chance of rot !!!!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 5:25 pm
by peter-curacao
Doc_Dyer wrote:technique is wrong. you will see when you get to look first hand.

He figured out how best way to do it

place regular 2x4 around secured to deck
then take plunge router, rout out square channel using deck cut out as template
then refill with epoxy glass combo
then re router with round bit a little smaller...bam....there ya go

all epoxy gutter with no chance of rot !!!!
Okay understood thanks, but if the drainage of the gutter works as it suppose to be working why will he think it will rot? Just asking to see if I have to change mine also.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 5:39 pm
by Steven
I used 3.25oz cloth in my gutters after routing them out of wood. Its such a fine cloth, it made the curves with no work.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 8:13 pm
by SmokyMountain
Steve,

I used the light cloth too, but don't like the way they turned out and they don't match the hatch cut out exactly.


Okay understood thanks, but if the drainage of the gutter works as it suppose to be working why will he think it will rot? Just asking to see if I have to change mine also.
Peter,I'm not really worries about rot. They are cover with 3.35 oz glass and sealed if there was a bubble in the glass. I just don't like the way they turned out. The other way i thing will be better.

yea, but he no drinkum much


I will after this boat get done :!: :!:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 9:19 pm
by Prarie Dog
Looking awesome guys, can't wait to see that bad boy, I'll drive, ya'll drinkum Larry's rum. :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 11:13 am
by Uncle D
Dang, would have loved to be there to see the finished product. Hammer down boys! :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 11:19 am
by wegcagle
Looks good from here 8) Dang that's gonna be one fish slaying machine in the Keys 8)

Will

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:24 am
by Doc_Dyer
Progress last night :wink: :wink:

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:29 am
by Cracker Larry
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:D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 9:23 am
by SmokyMountain
Making Progress !!! Bradley came over yesterday afternoon and we got some work done!!! Sure goes a lot faster with two!!


Got the cut outs completed for the center console.

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First coat of Marlin Blue on the transom. I'm running low on cataylsis :oops: Sooooo the transom gets paint first that way I can get the goodies attached and wired. I'll blend in the blue on the back radius when my new supply gets here. The blue is a little brighter than expected, but it's growing one me. :D The sheer will be painted this week. Working on finishing up the hatches and continuing wiring / installing components today.


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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 9:51 am
by peter-curacao
Awesome, Nice fusepanel :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 9:53 am
by Cracker Larry
One more. This is a good pic :D

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:01 am
by Aripeka Angler
Looking great 8) Y'all sure you don't want me to overnight a couple of cases of Monsters to ya?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:01 am
by majorgator
I've got a good feeling about this...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 1:05 pm
by chopperman
The color looks great :!:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 5:20 pm
by Flea
lookin the goods my friend. is the hatch on the cosole to store tackle trays with flys?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 10:10 pm
by wadestep
That console looks really good. I like the layout!
wade

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 15, 2012 1:44 pm
by SmokyMountain
is the hatch on the cosole to store tackle trays with flys?
Not specificly. It's really to get to the main swithes and whatever I thow in there. :D I normally just carry a bag or my fly jacket on the boat. That way I don't have to change out boxes all of the time. I hate to find my dry flys are on the boat after I'ved hikes 4-5 mile up in the mountains to do some creek fishing.. :x I may try to put some trays on board somewhere.... right not I just need to get her ready to go to the meet... sweating it.
That console looks really good. I like the layout!


Thanks Wade! I the mulit guages really clean thing up. Those gauges can be split 4 way on ea screen. I figure after a gradute level course I figure out how to use them. :?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:49 am
by wegcagle
Nice work. You boys sure are logging in a whole bunch of overtime. Looks awesome. I'm starting to think your gonna make it with ease :D

Looking forward to seeing her in person

Will

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 7:28 am
by SmokyMountain
Nice work. You boys sure are logging in a whole bunch of overtime. Looks awesome. I'm starting to think your gonna make it with ease
Thanks!. Overtime is right :!: :!: Ease? Doesn't feel that way.. still a lot to do. My catalysis should be here this evening.. 1st coat on the sides tonight and second tomorrow. 8) Bradley and I got the motor hung last night 8)



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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:01 am
by Joe H
Hey Andy, she sure looks pretty with that engine sitting on her, you guy's are kicking ass!

Maybe I'll drive down to Tennessee and catch a ride with ya to the Key's.

I'm wondering after looking at your engine mount, will that lift go as far as 5" up?, the reason I'm asking is I just looked at a brand new 2008 90hp Mercury at a fantastic price but it's a 25" shaft and I already have my transom cut for a 20" shaft motor, I think it would be a real pain in the butt to modify my transom now.

Keep up that pace, you'll make the Key's with no problem.
Joe H

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 8:38 am
by Doc_Dyer
Boat Porn :wink: :wink: :wink:

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 9:28 am
by majorgator
Oh yeah :!: That's good stuff there....oooohhh yeeeaaaaahhhhh....

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 10:20 am
by peter-curacao
Doc_Dyer wrote:Boat Porn :wink: :wink: :wink:
Fab fab 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 11:13 am
by MarkOrge
man that is sweet ! Nice electronics, great job on the hatches !!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:38 pm
by Prarie Dog
Looks great Andy. Can't wait to see her in person. :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:39 pm
by Flea
I love the hatch layout, and she looks sweet with that 90 on the back. your pics have givin me my fix for the day, lookin awsome, keep it coming. i think im a little excited at the moment!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:55 pm
by tobolamr
Fantastic!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed May 16, 2012 6:18 pm
by cedarock
That looks terrific! Plenty of storage.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:11 am
by SmokyMountain
Got the 1st coat of Sterling on the Sheer last night!! :D One more coat and we're good!!! Mixed too much paint and and had to waste 8-10 oz :x :x :x I hate wasting that expensive stuff :x :x I used the about 300 sq foot per gallon on my calcs. I think the blue has better coverag than the white.... I'll post a spread sheet I made out for Sterling coverage for people to go off... makes it alot easier to figure. The TWRA offiers is finally coming to inspect my boat :!: :!: Talk about cutting it close. Well the whole project is cutting close 8O

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:57 am
by Aripeka Angler
Your boat is looking great Andy!!! Looks like someone is going to have to go shopping :wink: :lol:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 9:11 am
by Cracker Larry
Your boat is looking great Andy!!! Looks like someone is going to have to go shopping
Yep, to both :D I may have underestimated how stubborn those guys are. Bradley sent me those pics about midnight last night, I think they are working 3 shifts a day on it, probably even hired some illegals that they aren't showing us :P

Nice work, men. I'll be proud to buy the rum 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 9:28 am
by Doc_Dyer
actually, I didn't go over there last night :oops:

I went to Babys R Us to go shopping with the wife :? :wink:
and I can't really paint very well :roll:

but I can wire, soooo.... when all his stuff gets here ill work overtime to get it done,
he has appt with the boat place to inspect his motor rigging on monday,
I plan on having it ready to start on monday
hopefully ALL the wiring will be done 8O

then on to
hatches
bilge pump plumming
rubrail

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 11:16 am
by majorgator
You guys are crankin'
Looks good sitting on the trailer :D :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 11:24 am
by tech_support
those hatches are awesome, so much room :!:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 1:37 pm
by dbcrx
SmokyMountain wrote:Mixed too much paint and and had to waste 8-10 oz :x :x :x I hate wasting that expensive stuff :x
Probably a bit late now, but if you have left over paint and more painting to do then seal the pot (small as possible so the paint fills it) with a lid and tape, or cling film if you don't have lids, and put it in the fridge. It will be good for a couple of days - just leave it to get to room temp before using again.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 17, 2012 1:46 pm
by Flea
I just love that colour!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:53 am
by Doc_Dyer
wow,
one more weekend before Andrew leaves for the keys 8O 8O 8O 8O

which is 2 weeks of after work and one full weekend to finish

a lot was accomplished this weekend

Jack plate hung
motor hung
motor wired
all fittings on transom are finalized, bilge drain, bait drain, sculpers, motorwell drains....
fuel tank hoses installed and finalized
hatch drains installed
jack plate pump motor hooked up and temp wired to test
motor trim works
trim tabs and indicator switch hooked up
bilge pump wired
bait well pump wired

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things left to do ....
finalize wiring in console
paint kiwigrip
install rubrail
finish hatches, paint and hinge and latches

the dude from TWRA was a NO SHOW on his appt.
Andrew is headed to the marine shop at one to have the inspection on the motor install
so he can get his warranty.
they well see if I hooked it up properly and then fill with oil and do a first startup

Andrew has a problem with the boat being too ass heavy on the trailer as it sits
so he is making a pit stop at the closest ramp to adjust the boat on the trailer
moving the winch post further forward and pulling the boat forward

a lot to do but not as much as last weekend 8)

RUM :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:07 pm
by Mad Dog
You guys have really hustled to get the boat finished. Great job. I love those Lenco trolling motors. I wish Benett had them.

MD :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:07 pm
by Doc_Dyer
yee haw

at the shop getting checked out

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:16 pm
by chopperman
Beautiful 8) Your hard work is really paying off :!:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:34 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Sweet 8) Great job men :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:08 pm
by wegcagle
Nice work. She sure did turn out great 8) Up next.....Bloody decks :!:

Will

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 5:50 pm
by tobolamr
That pic just about brings tears to my eyes it's so beautiful! Well done!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:14 pm
by Cracker Larry
Andy, tell me again what is your the beverage of choice. With friends like Bradley, I foresee (possibly, just possibly) being the happy loser :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:28 pm
by Prarie Dog
Andy, great job, looks awesome. Can't wait to see that baby in the Keys!! Hope you and Bradley have enough energy left to do a little fishing. :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:22 am
by topwater
Very nice :!:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:31 am
by cottontop
What a beautiful boat Andrew. I'm sure tears of joy are beginning to well up in your eyes. I imagine some tears(the Georgia kind :D :) :) ) are welling up there too. Again, I hope to be able to come by and see her in December. We're going to be up that way the week of Christmas. Ya'll have fun in the Keys. Weather appears to be going to be good. John

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:24 am
by SmokyMountain
Andy, tell me again what is your the beverage of choice. With friends like Bradley, I foresee (possibly, just possibly) being the happy loser
I like your favorite rum :D We still have a few tasks ahead:

-Finish wiring
-Kiwi Grip
-Finish Hatches
-Rub rail

That will take every bit of the next two weeks /weekends.... :(
Hope you and Bradley have enough energy left to do a little fishing.
I always have a little energy for fishing!! :D

Thanks for the complements guys!! I just can't wait to get my life back.... I told my wife she had to give me a 2 month vacation before the "honey do list" is given to me 8O. I've put off for most of the list for last 2 years 8O ...

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:21 am
by tech_support
impressive to get that all done and not cut corners :!: Whats the break in time for the motor :)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:15 am
by topwater
Should be broke in by the time they leave the keys :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:55 am
by SmokyMountain
impressive to get that all done and not cut corners Whats the break in time for the motor
There will be a few minor corners cut.... inside of rod locker will look like a turd :D and I plan on modifying the gutters for the hatches this winter so they are not finished to perfection.

As far as break in, I know there is a 20 hour oil change. I haven't read what the exact break in procedure is supposed to be... been too busy getting this project completed, I may be driving around Grassy Key real slow like for a few hours :D


Should be broke in by the time they leave the keys
Ain't that the truth :!: 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 7:07 pm
by BassMunn
I love that blue, boat looks awesome. Can't believe you managed to get this far that quickly 8O , I don't think CL can believe it either :lol: Aahh wish I could come to the Keys and see all these new boats.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 9:17 pm
by Cracker Larry
I don't think CL can believe it either :lol:
Oh yeah, I sure can :D I know these scoundrels pretty good, and they are still burning the midnight oil. They just needed a little incentive. Heck, a bottle of rum is worth it just to watch them work so hard :lol:

I got this pic about 2330 last night, aint heard nothing from them since, but I suspect they might have stopped for coffee and breakfast this morning and probably lunch and dinner too :lol: But they are still at it :wink:

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri May 25, 2012 10:17 pm
by Doc_Dyer
As much as that looks almost done, I put another 8 hours on the wiring today...and I still have about another hour to go.

Yum yum LOVE that RUM

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 10:11 pm
by wegcagle
You're gettin there now :!: is the maiden voyage gonna be in the keys? That's a long way to hold your breath. The upside is that there sure will be a lot of us watching and cheering you on 8)

Nice wiring job too

Will

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 6:24 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Looks good men 8)

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 8:56 pm
by Cracker Larry
Yep, they are getting it done now. I'll be proud to buy that rum :D

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:01 pm
by Cracker Larry
Dang, look at the detail work on those hatches. That is fantastic 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:02 pm
by Cracker Larry
Just got a new update that the rub rail is on :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:09 pm
by Cracker Larry
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:13 pm
by flyfishingmonk
This boat is looking beautiful.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 9:18 pm
by Cracker Larry
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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Mon May 28, 2012 10:14 pm
by MarkOrge
Dang that blue paint is shiny - nice, and the non skid job is phenominal! Did you just do it like the tutorial or do you have any other tecniques to share?

nice, so nice....

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 7:54 am
by topwater
Are you sure you want to rip those hatch gutters out this winter :?:
They look pretty nice to me 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 1:24 pm
by SmokyMountain
Dang that blue paint is shiny - nice, and the non skid job is phenominal! Did you just do it like the tutorial or do you have any other tecniques to share
Thanks! It was pretty much like the tutorial. It's a lot easier with two people. Bradley used the notched spreader and I rolled. Once you start it takes a minute to get used to how it likes to be applied. IT SETS UP REALLY QUICK. 8O Keep your loopy goopy roller and extra spreader in water between coats and do small areas at a time. Pull up you masking right after small area application. The masking took a lot longer than the actual application.... Pin striping tape really helps along radii.
Are you sure you want to rip those hatch gutters out this winter
The "10-15 foot view" looks good, but the up close does not. (at least in my opinion). I will either re-do or do some fine tune faring this winter... I'm using this sucker this summer ....whether the gutter looks good or not :D


Still have a laundry list of things to complete...may have to do a couple in Florida 8O

I plan on Kiwiing the cockpit or hatches tonight and the other tomorrow.....

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 1:37 pm
by BassMunn
Holey Smokes those hatches look incredible 8O That's some fine craftsmanship right there.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 3:25 pm
by tobolamr
Looking good... Man, looking really good! :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 8:28 am
by Doc_Dyer
ok here is earlier pic of wiring
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wiring and steering done
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got cockpit kiwi'd last night as well as the rear hatches
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still a lot to do tho 8O
its going to be close :oops: :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:17 am
by Doc_Dyer
Update :idea:

still plugging away on the punch list

wow it takes a lot of little things to get done :oops:

waiting on paint to dry so we can install rear hatches tonight

here is a teaser of what it will look like... note ..... no fasteners just sitting there

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he has lights 8)

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Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 9:08 am
by Mad Dog
Oooo that's nice... Nothing like a deadline to keep you focused. :D

MD :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 10:38 am
by SmokyMountain
Nothing like a deadline to keep you focused.
Aint that the truth!! :D Kiwing the rest of the hatches tonight and I have to look at the list to see what else need to be done 8O

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 1:40 pm
by Uncle D
Hey Andy, noticed the grab rail on the CC. I think I'd like a set myself. Is that from Marine Depot?? Don

PS You and Doc have got it going. :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 1:49 pm
by Flea
Nice, very neat kiwi grip.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 5:30 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Flea wrote:Nice, very neat kiwi grip.
Thanks Flea
Only 2 more days left before he heads to the keys
Marathon Key to be exact
Wow we have a lot to do in a short about of time

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 5:31 pm
by Cracker Larry
You better be getting that Ranger road ready :wink:

Edit: I don't think yall have even slept in 2 weeks. I keep getting text pictures at midnight :D One thing is for certain, you 2 have made a very impressive marathon, and Doc, you are one hell of a good friend to have 8)

I'm buying the rum either way. The effort alone deserves that :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 6:09 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Cracker Larry wrote:You better be getting that Ranger road ready :wink:

not if I have anything to do with the completion 8O :wink:

Edit: I don't think yall have even slept in 2 weeks. I keep getting text pictures at midnight :D One thing is for certain, you 2 have made a very impressive marathon, and Doc, you are one hell of a good friend to have 8)

I'm buying the rum either way. The effort alone deserves that :D
YUM cannot wait.. one week tomorrow for me :?

see ya there
In "Nervous Water" :wink:

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 7:57 pm
by peter-curacao
I just came for the third time and still going strong fab fab! please no more pics tonight I'm afraid I rip it off ! ouch :?

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:28 pm
by cedarock
Ya'll are doing some fine work and quick! The hatches look great.....as well as the rest of the boat!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:33 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I just got these :wink: Oh man is this baby pretty!!!

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Andy, I showed my cad guy Frank your workmanship on the hatches. He is extremely impressed with your work :)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:45 pm
by flyfishingmonk
that looks great!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:54 pm
by peter-curacao
8O That's is an amazing job you guys did there 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:34 pm
by stickystuff
Absolutely Beautiful. You just took another knotch out of my belt.I would vote you a very close call next to BassMuns. You should be proud.sorry i won't be able to see it in person this year. congrats again. :D :D

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:39 pm
by Flea
im so jealous! lovely work.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:46 pm
by majorgator
Man that layout is sweet. Andy you're gonna make it!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:28 pm
by Prarie Dog
Andy that looks incredible, can't wait to see her in person.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:02 am
by FOSTER
Awesome job!!!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:36 am
by topwater
EXELLENT WORK :!: As fast as you guys are working and the quality didnt suffer. She sure is pretty 8)
Now get to the keys have a drink and relax, and go slay some fish.

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:22 pm
by wegcagle
WOW 8) That's one amazing looking boat. Are ya'll gonna splash before the keys?

Will

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:49 pm
by Hope2float
Excellent work that boat looks awesome! 8) Thats the kind of work I like to see. Great hatches too.
Dave

SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN - SPLASHED

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:25 am
by SmokyMountain
YEE HAW :!: :!: :!: We're done :!: :!: :!: We've had a hell of a time the last 2-3 weeks but we're done in time for the meet. I now understand the skepticism of some people thinking their no way you'll get done in time. If I was working on the final stuff by myself, it would have taken through July 8O Bradley really helped on this last push. It would not have gotten done without him - THANKS

We got the finishing touches done yesterday. We installed the rest of the hatches, hardward and completed some trouble shooting with the network gauges. (That's another story when I have more time :wink: ) We splashed minus most hatches on Friday evening 8) . She performed great and the Suzuki 90 pushed her like a "scalded dog" :!: :!: :lol: . The scuppers did not back wash into the cockpit and the thru hull fitting did not leak. 8O


Bradley at the helm

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View from upper Tellico Lake.
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FINISHED and ready for the Keys!!

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Well, I'm heading for south Florida as soon as I'm packed 8O

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:37 am
by Flea
congrats on the splash, i would imagine you would be feeling very relieved, proud, and excited now. Go enjoy the keys mate, you have earned it!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:55 am
by majorgator
YAAAAAAYYYYYY :!: :!: :!: :!: :!:
2 - 3 weeks well spent :!: Congrats Andy, that's an amazing boat and a job well done!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:48 am
by flyfishingmonk
Awesome!!!!!

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:44 pm
by peter-curacao
Congrats on the splash, can't wait to see her for real 8)

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:48 pm
by Seadation
That is an ABSOLUTELY beautiful boat!!

/david

Re: SmokyMountain's PH18 Build in E. TN

Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:44 pm
by BassMunn
Congrats on the splash, your boat looks awesome!!!!

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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:52 pm
by cedarock
Man....what a finish! Pretty

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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:49 pm
by ejohns
Congratulations on the splash. A job well done.

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Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:29 pm
by chopperman
Congrats on the splash. You guys really pulled it together in the last few weeks. Stay tuned for my splash :!:

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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:11 am
by hockey52
Sweeeeeet :!:

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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:06 am
by topwater
Great job :!: Thats one sweeeeeet ride, now get it to the keys and have some fun 8)

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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:32 am
by Doc_Dyer
here is Andrew loaded and headed to the keys on Sunday afternoon
I hear he made it all the way to Valdosta Ga before he got tired 8O
wow considering how late it was when he left, he must really want to be in the keys 8O :wink:

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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:45 pm
by Uncle D
Fantastic Andy. Doc, your a great friend!! You guys do awesome work. Can't wait to see the numbers and how much she weighs.

Don

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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:19 pm
by tobolamr
Congrats on the splash! She sure looks fantastic!

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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:23 pm
by stickystuff
Man, He better get some numbers on that hull. The water cops will be all over him in the Keys. 8O

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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:57 pm
by SmokyMountain
Thanks for all of the complements!! I just got down to Grassy Key . As far as boat numbers go, I did not get the numbers from the state yet :x :x The are about as fast as molasses in February. I do have the document that shows I have registered the boat and this registration is good for 30 days without numbers. I figured I'll get harassed by the local water police but that's life.....

A little more boat porn.....

She just got to Grassy Key. I'll baptize her in the salt tomorrow. :D

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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:45 pm
by Mad Dog
Totally AWESOME! Beautiful!!



So, how did you keep all the bugs off the front of that console? Looks nice in the Keys.

MD :wink:

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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:23 am
by MarkOrge
She is absolutely beautiful. Are you going to postthe numbers vis a vis ROM/prop/MPH etc?

Man your work paid off, wow,

I could keep typing..... way to go !!!

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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:00 pm
by Doc_Dyer

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Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:08 pm
by Cracker Larry
Knowing Andy, he's already caught a fish too :P

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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:54 pm
by Hope2float
caught the video, man she looks like a rock solid platform. Just beautiful all around.
Dave

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Posted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:54 pm
by SmokyMountain
So, how did you keep all the bugs off the front of that console? Looks nice in the Keys.
I think the car air foiled them before they hit... was surprised too.

Are you going to postthe numbers vis a vis ROM/prop/MPH etc
I will. Right now I'm having GPS problems :x and don't know speeds etc... Also, I still have 45 minutes to break in the motor. :oops: I went fishing with Joel and didn't have a change to get out in her.

Got to go to the Raymarine Service Center tomorrow in Marathon and see what the deal is..

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Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:58 pm
by BassMunn
Awesome stuff, that's one of the nicest Phantoms I've seen

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Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:46 pm
by cottontop
What a fine job Andy? You really raised the bar. Hope everything goes ok at the meet. John

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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 10:55 am
by Flea
your boat is just so beautiful, great work. can you please take a heap of pics while at the keys, as this little ozzy fellow has never seen this fantastic area you blokes always talk about. again awsome job on your boat, she looks fantastic.

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Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 11:03 pm
by Mad Dog
Just got an "up close" look at this boat. It is as nice as the pics show. Great work Andrew. And you too Bradley. :D

MD :wink:

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Posted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:10 pm
by Cracker Larry
I've also seen it in person 8) . It is amazing, that's what it is :!: Beautiful job 8)

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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:22 pm
by wadestep
Boat is beautiful. And special thanks to Bradley for the nearly-midnight walkthrough of how to build a hatch!
Wade

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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:31 pm
by nc_robbie
She’s stunning I know you are looking forward to many years of service out of her, how are you liking that Suzuki df90? I love mine I think its strong for a 90 and I will bet it pushes your boat at light speed…Rob :lol:

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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:59 pm
by SmokyMountain
I've been meaning to post thanks to all of your all gracious comments and post some performance numbers.

Robbie - I love the Suzuki 90 very quite, start immediately and is powerful. As performance goes I'm getting the following:
25mph @ 4000 RPM. That's jacked about an inch and trimmed straight.
31mph @ 5000 RPM
40 mph @ 5800 RPM

The operating range of the 90 is 5300-6300 RPM. I can't go total full throttle because my trim tab control blocks about a 1/4" full throttle on the binnacle :oops: . I've ordered a spacer to fix that problem. :) I'm running a 19" Apollo Stainless prop. Overall I'm real happy with performance.

I'm still not sure I like the trim -n- troll instead of a bow mounted trolling motor. The clutter free deck is nice but I leaning toward liking to maneuver a little better... my have to save up for a bow mount.. 8O ... I'll give it a few more months before making a decision.

One thing I may change or wish I would have done a little differently is not extending the spray rail so far back. As it is now they rest in the water when standing on the front deck... they are noisier than I like... maybe in a few years, I'll shorten them and put a new coat of paint on the sheer. 8O


I was out on one of my local lakes I like to fish and got a good pic of a bear crossing, usually see this a couple of times a year. he was not real happy about me being close by.... He started swimming hard and looking back at me.. didn't get to close; didn't want to scratch the boat :D .

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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:39 pm
by nc_robbie
Nice photo, a bear crossing….wow….I am glad you like your Suzuki, mine runs like a beast, my phone gps has hit 47mph but I not sure I believe it….anyway enjoy your new boat and post your wot info when you get it, and enjoy the looks you will get when you are able to keep up with the fast bass boats then pass them at the marina when they fill up :lol: ….are you planning your next build yet? :D


is that watauga lake?

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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:50 pm
by johns.
Lovely job on your boat Andy, this is probably the build that has really spurred me on to do a future build. The side rod lockers are a particularly fine touch that is missing in the original build specs. Now that you have used the boat a little could I bother you for a summary of performance, things you like, things you don't and stuff you would do differently or include if you did the build again? I'm sure I'm not the only one who would be interested in a review of the experience and the end result.
Regards,
John.

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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:33 am
by SmokyMountain
Johns,

Thanks for the complement. I would be happy to do a list. Give me a few days to chew on it. I'm plan on doing some very minor mods before June. The rod lockers were definetly worth the extra effort.

Andrew

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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:09 am
by AtTheBrink
Andrew, several folks have directed me here to your build for info on building hatches. I like how you did your's. I am going to do something very similar using plywood in place of the 2x4. Thank's for the info and ideas.

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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:10 pm
by johns.
Thanks Andrew, looking forward to it.

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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:54 am
by flyfishingmonk
Your boat looks amazing!!! What size Yeti did you end up purchasing? Is that the 65 court?

Casey

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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 1:17 pm
by MarkOrge
Mr. Monk, say, is that Kiwi grip their white or grey ?

How is the fishing going?

Long ways off but we are going back to Costa Rica next winter, centre Pacific coast this time, hope to get into some good billfish !

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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 2:52 pm
by SmokyMountain
Mr. Monk, say, is that Kiwi grip their white or grey ?

How is the fishing going?
The Kiwi Grip is a light grey. I got white and went to Lowes and found a grey I liked and had them add the color. I wouldn't recommend white, it will be really bright in the sunlight. Fishing here in the E. TN mountains has been pretty good. I haven't got the boat out yet, too much soccer going on all week and weekends...... going to rectify that this weekend. 8)

Andrew

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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2015 4:53 pm
by Cracker Larry
It's about time you crawled out from under a soccer ball Andy, :lol:

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Posted: Fri May 01, 2015 9:59 am
by MarkOrge
Thanks Andy. I am going to look at the white and see, i would like it as light as possible. Good luck with the soccer and the impending fishing!

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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:12 pm
by Dustinwg
Andy, not sure if you still check your thread, but wanted to check to see how your liking the boat?

Also, I'm getting close to the end and because I am using a jet I am getting nervous about the weight of mine. I know you did quite of bit of customization of the deck layouts which added weight above and beyond the design weight and I was curious if you had every weighed the boat and/or had an approximate weight.

Hope all is well.

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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:31 am
by SmokyMountain
Dustinwg,

All is well and still love the Phantom. Going to be down around Cape San Blas the week of the Oct. 10 and looking forward to fishing in St. Joe Bay and Apalachicola Bay. Hate to miss the meet but it's a week shifted...

As to the exact weight, I'm not sure. Even with a few of my modifications she's a light boat, draft is what barely 6" and easy to tow. I always meant to go to the local landfill and use their scales to figure it out. She'll do 40mph with one person: Suzuki 90 with 18" prop.

I can get her on plane in than 10" water with trim tabs down and jacked up 3-4" . On plane she's very skinny with a traditional prop and jacked up, your jet will be scary skinny!!

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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2016 7:46 am
by Dustinwg
That area in Florida is an awesome spot. Went down to Carrabelle (only about 40 miles) several years with a couple buddies, and we had a blast.

The only reason I am worried, is because of the efficiency lost from the Jet (30%). Talked to the jet manufacturer and their recommendation is for a 90 hp powerhead that the total weight (boat, motor, people and gear) needs to stay under 2,000 lbs. From my figuring I'm am going to be right there. Guess if she doesn't get up right, I will just have to go on a diet!

Hope yall have a great trip to Florida and catch em up! Thanks for the info.

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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 12:56 am
by willg
Andy, I'd like to get/make a bench cushion like the one behind your console. Can you tell me how yours came to be? And what you use to secure it? Your boat remains an inspiration to me, btw.

Thanks, Will
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 8:53 am
by stickystuff
Beautifull. Great job Brad. How did you and Andy make out after all the fires?

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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2016 7:42 pm
by seaslug
I'm totally blown away by this beautiful build. First time seeing this build thread and when I have a little time plan on reading from the beginning. I didn't realize how nice this hull design was, and the workmanship is truly world class. Hope I get the chance to build one someday. A great inspiration for any builder. Mike

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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2016 8:56 am
by SmokyMountain
willg wrote:Andy, I'd like to get/make a bench cushion like the one behind your console. Can you tell me how yours came to be? And what you use to secure it? Your boat remains an inspiration to me, btw.
Willg,

Sorry of the late response. I had an local upholstery guy make one for me. It's made out of marine nargerhide ??, and had a rubber guide sewn that is rounded (male) that slides into an aluminum strip (female) that is screwed onto the boat. I'll take a couple of pictures to show you exactly what I mean. I appreciate you kind words from you and seaslug :oops: .

As far as the fires, I'm in Maryville and Bradley is in Seymour; which we had some local fires but nothing like Gatlinburg and some areas around Pigeon Forge. I lack the words, when seeing the devastation .... a lot of people lost everything....

Thanks

Andrew

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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 6:29 pm
by stickystuff
As a former firefighter from many years ago I can relate from the devastation. I can only imagine. My heart and prayers go out to all. I wish a Merry Christmas to all as well. :(