Montana built D5
- Cracker Larry
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Re: Montana built D5
The epoxy resin is almost completely odorless. You must have used a polyester last time? It's not a problem to use it indoors
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Re: Montana built D5
I use epoxy in my basement shop all the time. A pint of it, all spread out thin laminating cloth, is just barely noticable upstairs. Way less odor than cooking.
But a couple tablespoons of polyester resin would chase you out of the whole house. That stuff is nasty.
It's an entirely different thing. Epoxy is way better in every way.
Enjoy your build.
Fred in Wisc
But a couple tablespoons of polyester resin would chase you out of the whole house. That stuff is nasty.
It's an entirely different thing. Epoxy is way better in every way.
Enjoy your build.
Fred in Wisc
Re: Montana built D5
I have a gallon of resin and 1/2 gallon of slow hardener sitting in my dining room right now fixing some furniture here in the house. There is absolutely no smell from the mixes I'm using. Been puttering at things all winter in the enclosed house and my wife has had no objection and she is allergic to about everything.
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Re: Montana built D5
I did use some MAS epoxy once while building my console. Slow hardener. That stuff smelled pretty strong, but not NEAR as bad as polyester resin. I can barely smell the marinepoxy or the silvertip sold here.
Will
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- gstanfield
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Re: Montana built D5
The marinepoxy slow hardener smells a little like peanut butter to me, but not so strong that it's an issue. I built my son's boat bed inside with no issues at all, also did all my butt joins on my FL14 in my downstairs living room with no issues.
Ok, excuses are now shot down, time to get to work
Ok, excuses are now shot down, time to get to work
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Current build: FL14 (+10%)
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Re: Montana built D5
wow - - - thanks for all the feedback. I guess that kind of "ages" me too. When I built that cedar Strippercanoe, it was 1982, so probably must have been a polyester resin . And yes, it was terribly terribly smelly.
So . . . I will charge on forward - having had my latest excuse stripped away fully.
grin
~markb
So . . . I will charge on forward - having had my latest excuse stripped away fully.
grin
~markb
Re: Montana built D5
well . . . I'm happy to report PROGRESS!!!!
I have most of the inside seems done. Almost ready to move to the outside.
Parts of this were a lot harder than I figured they would be. it all seemed so simple when you read the instructions. But maybe some of that is a learning curve too. AFter the third small 'batch' of mixing and seams, it feels easier too. But here at the things that seem kinda "hard" for meand a few questions too:
- it's messy. I mean the stuff goes all over. I was picturing these nice neat tidy seams, but alas.
- I'm using the 'poor mans peel ply' to try and get things perfectly smooth, but they are a long long ways form perfectly smooth. it sure looks to me like I will have sanding to do. is that normal???
- quantity of epoxy. I seem to be going through the epoxy pretty doggone fast. At this point, i just can't imagine that I could possibly have enough. The plans called for 1-1/2 gallon kit. (1 gallon epoxy, 1/2 gallon hardner). What do you think? is this common to need more epoxy.
- I used "zip ties" to hold this thing together. Despite trying to cut these as flush as possible to the hull, they still protrude out with sharp points a little. Any ideas on how to get rid of that?? or to avoid that problem??
- Somewhere along the line, I noticed that I'm supposed to just "paint" the epoxy on all the surfaces. I'm wondering if I do that after all the seams are done, or perhaps first before doing any seams? I hope it is "after" because that's the presumption I started off using.
- Finally, I am going to put a thin layer of cloth on the bottom. I will be using this as a dinghy boat and will likely be dragging this up on the beach, across coral/rocks/gravel/etc. Somewhere I read to just use a light cloth (3.2 or 4.0 oz). Does that seem right to you?
Thank you, in advance for your input and critique.
Regards,
~markb
I have most of the inside seems done. Almost ready to move to the outside.
Parts of this were a lot harder than I figured they would be. it all seemed so simple when you read the instructions. But maybe some of that is a learning curve too. AFter the third small 'batch' of mixing and seams, it feels easier too. But here at the things that seem kinda "hard" for meand a few questions too:
- it's messy. I mean the stuff goes all over. I was picturing these nice neat tidy seams, but alas.
- I'm using the 'poor mans peel ply' to try and get things perfectly smooth, but they are a long long ways form perfectly smooth. it sure looks to me like I will have sanding to do. is that normal???
- quantity of epoxy. I seem to be going through the epoxy pretty doggone fast. At this point, i just can't imagine that I could possibly have enough. The plans called for 1-1/2 gallon kit. (1 gallon epoxy, 1/2 gallon hardner). What do you think? is this common to need more epoxy.
- I used "zip ties" to hold this thing together. Despite trying to cut these as flush as possible to the hull, they still protrude out with sharp points a little. Any ideas on how to get rid of that?? or to avoid that problem??
- Somewhere along the line, I noticed that I'm supposed to just "paint" the epoxy on all the surfaces. I'm wondering if I do that after all the seams are done, or perhaps first before doing any seams? I hope it is "after" because that's the presumption I started off using.
- Finally, I am going to put a thin layer of cloth on the bottom. I will be using this as a dinghy boat and will likely be dragging this up on the beach, across coral/rocks/gravel/etc. Somewhere I read to just use a light cloth (3.2 or 4.0 oz). Does that seem right to you?
Thank you, in advance for your input and critique.
Regards,
~markb
- gstanfield
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Re: Montana built D5
Congrats on making some progress. As with most things boat building related it takes more time and money than initially planned for- it's messy. I mean the stuff goes all over. I was picturing these nice neat tidy seams, but alas.
It takes practice
- I'm using the 'poor mans peel ply' to try and get things perfectly smooth, but they are a long long ways form perfectly smooth. it sure looks to me like I will have sanding to do. is that normal???
Yes, It takes practice
- quantity of epoxy. I seem to be going through the epoxy pretty doggone fast. At this point, i just can't imagine that I could possibly have enough. The plans called for 1-1/2 gallon kit. (1 gallon epoxy, 1/2 gallon hardner). What do you think? is this common to need more epoxy.
Yes, most of us use more epoxy than called for. The key to using less is practice
- I used "zip ties" to hold this thing together. Despite trying to cut these as flush as possible to the hull, they still protrude out with sharp points a little. Any ideas on how to get rid of that?? or to avoid that problem??
I remove them completely
- Somewhere along the line, I noticed that I'm supposed to just "paint" the epoxy on all the surfaces. I'm wondering if I do that after all the seams are done, or perhaps first before doing any seams? I hope it is "after" because that's the presumption I started off using.
After is how I do it
- Finally, I am going to put a thin layer of cloth on the bottom. I will be using this as a dinghy boat and will likely be dragging this up on the beach, across coral/rocks/gravel/etc. Somewhere I read to just use a light cloth (3.2 or 4.0 oz). Does that seem right to you?
I used 6oz on the bottom of my FL14 and it's indestructible! You could save a pound or two and use 4oz and still have some protection though
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Re: Montana built D5
Well . . . . progress on the inside seams continues on. I think I am getting a little better at this, but still not very pretty or tidy!!!
I'm using the peel ply and parts of that end up very very smooth. However, along the edges and ends, it's still quite rough/bumpy. I'm using a piece of lexan and a small flexible plastic card (similar to a credit card) to smooth out the ply and move the epoxy around (underneath the ply). I wonder if this the right approach, or would something like a roller be better?
Also trying to decide if I should get some of the fairing material. This is just a dinghy/tender, but I'd still like it to look "finished" and nice. Also, we'll be climbing in and out in bare feet, etc., so probably need to have it smooth inside so as to not scratch up the kids' feet, etc.
I'm using the peel ply and parts of that end up very very smooth. However, along the edges and ends, it's still quite rough/bumpy. I'm using a piece of lexan and a small flexible plastic card (similar to a credit card) to smooth out the ply and move the epoxy around (underneath the ply). I wonder if this the right approach, or would something like a roller be better?
Also trying to decide if I should get some of the fairing material. This is just a dinghy/tender, but I'd still like it to look "finished" and nice. Also, we'll be climbing in and out in bare feet, etc., so probably need to have it smooth inside so as to not scratch up the kids' feet, etc.
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Re: Montana built D5
What your doing sounds good. I sometimes pour the epoxy onto the glass and then squegee it around with a small plastic "bondo spreader" and then sometimes I just use a foam roller to spread epoxy on top of it. I'd not worry too terribly bad about getting it perfect, like you said it's not a yacht that needs to be perfect.
You can use some fairing compound to make it pretty or you could just get it pretty good and the put some kiwi-grip on the inside and it would give a nice textured non skid finish and the cost would be about the same as faired and painted, just depends on what you want.
I did some of my FL14 with spray in bedliner material and it has lasted good and gives a textured finish that hides imperfections pretty good. just another option.
George
You can use some fairing compound to make it pretty or you could just get it pretty good and the put some kiwi-grip on the inside and it would give a nice textured non skid finish and the cost would be about the same as faired and painted, just depends on what you want.
I did some of my FL14 with spray in bedliner material and it has lasted good and gives a textured finish that hides imperfections pretty good. just another option.
George
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