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FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:19 pm
by Browndog
This is the first post in the build thread for the FS 19 project that I am going to be building for my brother. The boxes arrived today for the Silvertip epoxy kit and the fiberglass. The CNC kit for the boat and console are soon to follow. Picked up some supplies yesterday. The 2 X 8's for the strongback are in the garage. Will be cleaning out the garage and kicking the canoe outside to set up for the build over the next few days. Very excited about this project!

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:20 pm
by narfi
I'll be watching :)
Good luck with it!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:55 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, sorry for the delay!! Reid only has the MDF molds to cut in the morning and we "SHOULD" ship by tomorrow afternoon!!! Looking forward to watching this build!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:32 pm
by bateau-webmaster

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 9:09 pm
by Fuzz
BrownDog,
Glad to see you starting this build thread. Lots of folks wanting to see one of these built and see how it runs :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:59 pm
by PastorBob
I'll be watching as well.. FS19 is a tempting build. Wife's family has a place at pine harbor just down the channel.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:12 pm
by Dutch1
I'll be watching. Good luck!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:29 pm
by Browndog
The truck arrived with the FS 19 CNC kit today. I organized a small group of people to help me unload the box and move it into my garage. Built the strongback this morning and cleaned up the garage so I would have room to put everything inside. A few pictures to show it all.

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Got to go to the store and get some hardware to attach the casters to the underside of the strongback and then this project can really get rolling!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:09 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, I am really going to enjoy watching your build!! Glad the kit made it there in great shape!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:22 am
by Browndog
We've had houseguests since Friday, so work on the boat has been slow over the weekend. Did manage to get all of the boxes unpacked and got the hardware need to install the casters. Got four of the casters installed, when I realized that the remaining casters are slightly different, about 1/4" taller, so I have to get replacements for them tomorrow.

Will get to work on the boat tonight and focus on getting parts cut out from the sheets.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:35 am
by willg
I'd recommend larger caster wheels over smaller ones, will make it easier to roll. On my PH18 I had "medium" size and I wish I had gone "large." Looking forward to your build.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:52 pm
by Browndog
Got the rest of the casters installed and the strongback is finished and in place. I used eleven 4" swiveling casters, each rated for 300 lbs. The strongback rolls very easily with a light touch. We'll see how it handles the weight. Now to cut out the panels and start joining them together.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:07 pm
by Browndog
Got lots of pieces cut out of the sheets and will be gluing them up to full size over the next couple of days after I defuzz the edges. The multitool with the saw blade is perfect for cutting the tabs off of the parts.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:22 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, glad your build has started!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 1:49 pm
by Browndog
Glued up the first of the bottom panels this morning and also two of the clamping boards are being glued up. Will continue to cut pieces out of the sheets tonight. Need to get the molds cut out still.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 3:37 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, that is some really good looking marine plywood with puzzle joints!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 5:25 pm
by Eric1
Browndog,

Where did you get your casters from?
I'm going to have to get some under my build soon.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:16 pm
by Browndog
Eric,

I got the current set of casters from Northern Tool. I also have some from Harbor Freight, but they are a slightly different size, so I chose not to mix them.

Regards,
Jordy

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 6:41 pm
by Eric1
Thank You

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 8:41 am
by Browndog
Got all of the molds cut out of the MDF sheets. Between last night and this morning. Man, are they heavy. Also got the third clamping board glued up with the other two. Using a couple of dowels to keep everything aligned. A great tip that I picked up here on the forum. I mixed up too much gel magic at one time and it started to kick in the mixing cup. Had to mix up some more to finish laminating the clamping boards. Lesson learned. Will try to get at least one of the bottom panels glued up later today or tonight.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:13 pm
by Browndog
Ended up not going fishing this afternoon so worked on the boat some more. Got the second bottom panel glued up. This boat build is taking over the garage. I've got stuff everywhere right now.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 7:33 pm
by Jeff
Off to a great start Browndog!! Have a nice weekend!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:02 am
by Eric1
Browndog wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:13 pm This boat build is taking over the garage. I've got stuff everywhere right now.
You ain't seen nothing yet...B B B Baby You ain't seen nothing yet!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 8:39 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Looks great. Those puzzle joints look like they go together really well.

Your much more organized than me, I have parts in the garage, workshop and basement. Let's hope no one needs to get into that freezer anytime soon :D .

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:27 am
by MrPaul
Browndog wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:13 pm This boat build is taking over the garage. I've got stuff everywhere right now.
Boat builds tend to do that. I'm building my xf20 in my r.v. garage and there is boat building stuff everywhere. There is no way I could fit another project in there right now.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:54 am
by partager
Inspiring built ! Keep up the good work!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:35 pm
by Browndog
Glued up one of the side panels this afternoon. Not sure why there are stitching holes on the top of the panel. Would post a picture but that doesn't seem to be working right now.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:01 pm
by Browndog
Had a little set back. :cry: The side panel I glued up yesterday afternoon had to be redone on one of the joints. Which is easier said than done. Apparently I used a 2 X 4 that had a bow in it to lay across the joint and then put weight on top of the 2 X 4. The problem was that there wasn't adequate clamping pressure to flatten the seam and so the middle 1/3 wasn't flat. I managed to get the seam apart with a mixture of multi tool use for the straight areas and a heated wire and exacto knife for the rounded puzzle joint parts. Some scraping and sanding and the joint has been reglued. I used gel magic for the joint this time as there is a bit more of a gap than before and I thought it would be stronger than straight epoxy Will require some sanding post cure I'm sure.

Got the transom laminated to the clamping board to at least keep some forward motion going. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Mar 12, 2017 2:02 pm
by Browndog
Had a little set back. :cry: The side panel I glued up yesterday afternoon had to be redone on one of the joints. Which is easier said than done. Apparently I used a 2 X 4 that had a bow in it to lay across the joint and then put weight on top of the 2 X 4. The problem was that there wasn't adequate clamping pressure to flatten the seam and so the middle 1/3 wasn't flat. I managed to get the seam apart with a mixture of multi tool use for the straight areas and a heated wire and exacto knife for the rounded puzzle joint parts. Some scraping and sanding and the joint has been reglued. I used gel magic for the joint this time as there is a bit more of a gap than before and I thought it would be stronger than straight epoxy Will require some sanding post cure I'm sure.

Got the transom laminated to the clamping board to at least keep some forward motion going. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:55 am
by pee wee
Browndog wrote: Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:35 pm Glued up one of the side panels this afternoon. Not sure why there are stitching holes on the top of the panel. Would post a picture but that doesn't seem to be working right now.
I don't know the answer, a picture would help. I'm not sure what you mean when you say "top of panel", do you mean along the sheer? Better figure out why, it might be important!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:08 am
by topwater
Make sure it's not a bottom panel instead of a side panel .

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:07 pm
by jacquesmm
No, it is correct. I think our CNC programmer got a little enthusiastic and put stitches along every edge.
I told him to leave them in the cutting file in case the builder wants to use temporary screws to attach the rubrail.
Your panel is correct.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 1:22 pm
by Browndog
Got the second side panel glued up and the rest of the pieces cut out from the sheets. Had some time this morning so got a lot done. All the frames, the console, motor well sides, sole, casting deck. Everything is now cut out that came in the kit. Will probably glue up the stringers this evening. Thanks for clarification on the stitching holes on the sheer side of the side panels Jacques.

Some pictures from yesterday.
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Hope to get the molds on to the strongback later in the week.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 2:09 pm
by Jeff
Nice progress Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:33 am
by Browndog
Thanks Jeff. Got the stringers glued up. Used dowels again to help keep things aligned.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 8:57 pm
by Browndog
Glued the motorwell sides to the outsides of the stringers tonight.

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Seems like the Hardener for the Gel Magic is nearly gone, but I still have half a tub of the Resin. Not sure why because I've been measuring very carefully 2:1 Resin:Harrdener. I may need to order some more Hardener, or some wood flour to make adhesive.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 9:51 pm
by Browndog
Got half of the molds attached to the strongback. Will get the rest done in the morning. I need to notch the bow mold to fit due to the enclosed deck and frame of the strongback, will do that tomorrow too.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:05 am
by Browndog
Got the molds installed on the strongback and the stringers fit to the molds. Had to do some notch finessing to get everything to lay fair. Also cut out a notch from the bow mold so it would fit. Starting to look like something!

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:14 pm
by jacquesmm
It looks good.

We cut the notches with between 1/16 and 1/8" clearance total, depending on the size of the boat but the MDF shrink and expands a little bit with humidity and that may require some adjustments.

Why did you cut a notch for the bow mold? It is supposed to butt against the first mold, fastened with a temporary cleat.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:08 pm
by Browndog
Thanks Jacques. I cut out a small section on the bottom of the bow mold, because it was longer than Frame A, and since I boxed in my strongback it was not able to fit unless I notched the strongback or altered the bow mold. The pictures below show what I mean. They also show the cleats that I used to support everything.

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Getting real excited now. Putting on the panels are next!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:55 pm
by remedy32
Maybe it's just the picture but the BL side (facing down right now) of the stringer should be perpendicular (@90deg) to the molds and does not seem to be. I realize that the stringer angle to frame F is set by the motor well sides. With the stringers angling down (as they seem to) running toward the bow I'm guessing that the angle isn't 90 at the other molds. I'd also take a look at the stringer and groove at mold B; where stringer seems to be sitting pretty low in the slot.

Maybe it's just the picture playing tricks but it pays to be sure everything lays out correctly.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:13 pm
by Browndog
The notch finessing that I referenced was due to the fact that the stringer was sitting proud of Frame D by a good amount, about 3/4". Checked everything for level and squareness first and then tried making the notch on Frame D deeper. It did not help as the stringers were hanging up in both frames B & C. I thought about lowering the notches in E & F frames, but they were fine and I was worried that changing things near the stern would cause the transom angle to be changed. Making the notches deeper in Frames B and C allowed the stringers to settle lower in Frame D, but caused the stringers to be low in B & C as seen in the picture.

My thought was as the stringers will be inverted into the boat upon flipping, and that they will likely need to be finessed somewhat due to the interior fiberglassing and insertion of the actual frames that my primary goal is to ensure that the hull panels should be fair against the molds and that the most important frame to get right is F to set the transom angle. If that is not correct than I need to make some changes before putting the panels on tomorrow.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:17 pm
by Browndog
Meant to say the stringer was originally sitting proud in Frame E, not D.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:46 am
by TomW1
Hey Browndog looking good. If the stringers are setting low you can shim them up to be even with the frames. The biggest thing that has to be correct before you put the panels on is that the boat is square. Measure from the transom on the port side to frame B on the starboard side and vice versus. You should be within a 1/4-1/2" before you put your panels on.

Good luck on the panels, she'll look like a boat once they are on. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:19 am
by Browndog
Tom thanks. Just measured the diagonals again and they are within 1/8" of each other. I'm going to go ahead and put the panels on and see how they look.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:14 am
by Browndog
My wife helped me to move the long panels into position on the mold. They are each attached with only 3 or 4 very loose zip ties. Very cold for here this morning, about 38 degrees F, so don't want to put too much stress on the panels. Will put more zip ties in later today after things warm up a bit.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:14 am
by jacquesmm
Don't worry about some minor adjustments when putting the jig together. You did it right by giving priority to fairness. Nothing should stick out.
The panels will produce a fair and correct shape and it looks like you are there: it looks nice and smooth.

Yes, later, after the inside fiberglass, you will have to trim frames and stringers to get over the fiberglass seams.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:50 pm
by TomW1
She really looks like a boat now :D . This cold weather is miserable for sure. Not expected for this time of year had snow up here.

It is going to be great watching your build as we have not followed an FS19 to completion before.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:23 pm
by Browndog
We have had house guests for the last five days which we really enjoyed. Took their two boys fishing everyday. The boat project took a backseat during their stay. Got back at it this morning. Took all the panels off to cover the molds and other areas with tape so they wouldn't stick to the panels when I start gluing things up. I had forgotten to do it and needed to take a step back. Got the transom ready to be glued in and built a support brace for it and temporarily attached it with screws while dry fitting everything. Tonight I glued in the transom with EZ fillet on the bottom panels and Gel Magic for the side panels.

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Used screws to clamp things in place while the epoxy sets up. Will go around tomorrow and set gaps in all of the panels and start tacking things in place.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:08 pm
by evansjonathanm
thanks, brother!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 1:37 am
by TomW1
Browndog every thing looks really good!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2017 6:25 am
by Eric1
Looking Good!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:09 pm
by Browndog
After a busy weekend of celebrating St. Patrick's day in Shellman Bluff with the band I'm in, Slackwater, performing two concerts, one Friday night and the second Saturday Afternoon, after the parade, it was nice to retreat to the quiet of the garage this morning and get back to the boat project. Used EZ Fillet to tack the chine seams together. In the pictures you can see the nails I'm using as spacers to maintain consistent gaps between the panels. I've learned not to mix up more than three ounces of the EZ Fillet at one time. It has a tendency to kick-off in the mixing cup pretty quickly. A little worried about how it might react when it actually gets hot here.

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Will continue working on the seams over the next few days.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:15 pm
by jacquesmm
To increase pot life:
- put the stuff in the frigde or at least an AC room before mixing
- mix small amounts at a time
- put it down quickly on the seams, just big globs then come back later to shape the fillets. It cures slower when spread.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:46 am
by Browndog
Thanks Jacques for the advice, it helped out this morning when I started gluing up the keel seam with EZ Fillet and then filled in the stitching holes and gaps in the chine seams after removing the stitches and spacers.

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Been saving the seams closest to the bow for last. I have found that the bow area needs a little finessing on the seams to keep the gaps consistent and to pull everything into place. Flathead screwdrivers have been helpful for this. The lead batteries and jugs of epoxy shown in the picture of the keel seam being glued up were used to help even out some waviness in the panels that were creating dips between the mold frames due to the unsupported weight of the panels in those areas.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:57 am
by Jeff
Browndog, Really nice and clean build!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:06 pm
by Eric1
Looking Great BrownDog!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:42 pm
by Browndog
Instead of golfing this afternoon I put in another boat building session. My back is a little sore from packing and unpacking sound equipment over the weeekend. Those big speakers are heavy. Rounded the seams on the transom and sanded things smooth in preparation for applying fiberglass tape. Did the same thing on the chine seams. Also removed the stitches in the keel seam and filled in the gaps and stitching holes with EZ Fillet. Started on the bow, by filleting most of the center seam. Just have a small area now where all four panels come together to stitch and glue up tomorrow. Trying to finish all of the seams by Wednesday night. My wife and I are taking a short cruise starting Thursday from Tampa to Cozumel and back to celebrate her 50th birthday and also spring break here in McIntosh County.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:02 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, really nice work!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:45 pm
by Browndog
Thanks Jeff. Closing in on the bow. Got everything glued up except about a one foot section on one chine seam and the final four way intersection of the side and bottom panels. Will tackle that in the morning when everything hardens up and I can remove the last spacer. Then I need to round over and sand the keel seam and the chine seams near the bow in preparation for fiberglass tape.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:40 pm
by Browndog
Was tired of waiting for epoxy to cure so I went ahead and put two layers of 12 oz biaxial tape on the transom seams with the bottom and side panels.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:43 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, again very nice & clean work with the tape!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:15 pm
by Eric1
Very clean. You lay all your glass like that she'll be slick. 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:19 am
by Browndog
Got the bow all glued up and the stitches removed. A little more of a gap at the four way intersection than I would have liked, but it all looks fair, and after rounding of the edges and sanding it will be fine.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:23 am
by topwater
Don't worry about it , with the amount of glass overlaps at that point it will be bullet proof 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:50 am
by Eric1
topwater wrote: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:23 am Don't worry about it , with the amount of glass overlaps at that point it will be bullet proof 8)
Very True!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:38 pm
by Browndog
Did a bunch of sanding on the seams to round everything over and then put two layers of fiberglass tape on the bow seam and one layer of tape on each of the chine seams. Will do the keel seam next week when I get back from our trip.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:24 pm
by Eric1
Nice!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 7:56 pm
by Browndog
Got back from our short cruise this afternoon. Was able to do a little work on the boat. Sanded the keel seam smooth, and filled in a few gaps in the seam with EZ Fillet before covering with two layers of 12 oz biaxial tape. All the outside seams are done now.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 9:15 am
by topwater
Nice glass work :!:

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:23 am
by Browndog
Thanks Topwater. Another view from the front, taken this morning before sanding the seams in preparation for fiberglassing the bottom.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 1:05 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, again, really nice glass work!! jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:36 am
by Browndog
Thanks Jeff. Got two layers of 12 oz biaxial cloth on the transom this morning.

The batteries were just to hold the cloth in place as I wetted it out.


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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2017 12:44 pm
by MrPaul
Looks like the fun part is about to start. [Sarc] fairing is a blast! [/sarc]

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:30 am
by bateau-webmaster
That is certainly some clean glasswork. I don't even see any epoxy on your floor :P Can't wait to see her faired, and primed.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:11 pm
by Browndog
After a week off from the boat build due to a series of house guests and a big party I'm glad to be back at it. Sanded all of the fiberglass tape seams in preparation for putting on a layer of 12 oz biaxial cloth. Got the cloth on one side tonight. Will do the other side in the morning and the bottom over the weekend.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:17 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Very nice and neat glass work 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:54 pm
by Jeff
I completely agree with AA!! Very nice and clean fiberglass work!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 10:01 am
by Browndog
Thanks guys. Got the other side done this morning. Had a little left over epoxy, so put it on some of the bare wood.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:11 am
by Jeff
Browndog, really beautiful work!!! Have a nice holiday weekend!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:49 pm
by Reid
Browndog,
Really nice job!!! You have definitely set the bar high for clean glass work!! Did you have any help laying up the the 12oz. biax cloth or was this a solo job? Any tips or steps that you took that helped you get this clean result?

-Reid

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 7:28 pm
by Browndog
Reid,

Thanks for the kind words. Most all of the work on the boat so far has been solo work. My wife helped me to move the full length panels on to the mold and I had friends help unloading the kit from the truck when it was delivered. Otherwise it has just been me.

It's interesting that people have commented on the clean and neat glass work multiple times. I don't believe I'm doing anything really special to achieve this result. My preparation starts with wearing disposable gloves a respirator mask and safety glasses. My process is to sand everything smooth, wip e everything down with a clean paper towel and then dry fit the tape or cloth and trim or cut to length as need be first. Then apply neat epoxy and or fillet material to the wood surface and wet out the tape with a 2 inch disposable chip brush or with a 4 inch foam roller and small paint tray. I use the wet epoxy to guide me in where to apply the tape or cloth, so I don't draw in any kind of guide lines or anything.

I mix the epoxy in batches of 4 to 12 oz depending on the size of disposable cup I'm using at the time and the size of the job. I use three disposable cups usually or metered pumps if I have them. One cup is premeasured and marked for Resin, one for Hardener and one for the Mix. Only mix up how much you can use so it won't set-up in the pan before being applied. I start from one end of the boat and work my way down so that wrinkles or bubbles can be worked out easily. I use the roller to apply the epoxy. Do not overload your brush or roller or they will drip and fling epoxy around. Usually while mixing up the next batch of epoxy, the cloth will wet itself out and then I go over any dry spots again with the roller to even things out. I do not have to squeegee excess epoxy very much because the roller acts like one to a certain extent. You know you are using too much epoxy when the cloth starts to float up off the surface and move around on you. If the epoxy is starting to thicken in the pan or on the roller, get a new roller and mix up another batch of epoxy. If the foam on the roller starts to shed get a new roller. Once it starts to kick the epoxy doesn't wet things out very well at all.

On overlaps at the corners or edges, I always wet out completely the first layer until the cloth is transparent before overlapping a second layer on top of it. Any type of cuts in the cloth to ease the overlap or the drape of the cloth are made prior to applying epoxy, ideally. After the cloth or tape is applied, if I have time I like to go around looking for drips or runs and try to wipe them off before they set-up. Paper shop towels are used frequently to wipe my gloved hands and White Vinegar to clean off uncured epoxy from the roller frame and other tools. If you are careful there should be very few drips to clean up on the floor or runs to wipe off.

Never had much luck in trying to wet out tape or cloth first away from the boat and then putting it In place. Always made a mess for me.

Best wishes to you as you glue up your rounded chine hull. Looking forward to watching your progress.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:55 pm
by TomW1
Browndog excellent explanation on how to do it right. No wonder it looks so good.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 9:52 pm
by Browndog
Sanded the edges of the fiberglass cloth that I just put on in preparation for applying cloth to the bottom. A couple of pictures to show how I fit the glass cloth before I epoxy it in place.

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Will put it on tomorrow.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:24 am
by Eric1
Looking good! 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:20 am
by jacquesmm
It is a good idea to lay out the fiberglass as in the pictures.
Let it sit overnight and the wrinkles from the roll will disappear, no wrinkles to fight when wetting out.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:29 pm
by Browndog
Thanks Jacques for weighing in. Pulled a bit of a marathon session. Fiberglassed both sides of the bottom and also added a keel protector strip on the bow. The exterior fiberglassing is done. Now onto sanding, fairing, adding spray rails and then priming and painting. It has been about 6 weeks since the CNC Kit arrived at the house. Even with a vacation and house guests, this build has been moving along nicely.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:15 pm
by Browndog
Been sanding away. Also looked at trailers last week and will order one tomorrow. Had a mini split air conditioner installed this week in the garage. That will really help keep things moving along over the next few months as it gets hot here. Did a test with a sample of PVC spray rail that I received in the mail from a supplier. The Gel Magic worked great on the sample when it was glued to a test piece of marine plywood that I had covered with epoxy and fiberglass. The EZ fillet also worked well on the test sample, but the fiberglass peeled right off of the smooth PVC rail as I had not sanded it to roughen it up. I think I will have to screw and glue the rail on to be safe.

Got the first layer of Quick Fair applied to the Transom tonight.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:50 am
by Eric1
Good progress!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:29 am
by Jeff
Nice Browndog!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:23 pm
by Browndog
Sanded the transom and put another coat of quick-fair on. Also sanded all over the hull and put on a coat of quick fair on both sides of the bow, back to the first puzzle joint.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:51 pm
by pee wee
Looking great so far! What tool are you using to spread the Quick Fair?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 4:24 pm
by Jeff
Nice work with the QuickFair BrownDog!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 9:42 am
by Browndog
A couple of pictures of the tools I'm using to mix, spread and then sand the Quick Fair.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:18 pm
by fishgitr
Your boat is looking great. I found that going to harbor freight and getting their aluminum ruler about 3' long and 1-8-3-16 thick. I cut one at 20" and I use it to spread the quikfair out. It makes life a lot easier when sanding. Also get an straight air sander and also a jitter bug sander and that will help a lot.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 8:41 pm
by Eric1
Boat is looking good.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 10:55 pm
by Dutch1
Sure is looking good! You're making great progress. I just read through the whole thread. Great glasswork.

I also liked the tip from Jacques about laying the glass on the hull and leaving it on there overnight to pull out any wrinkles. That should be on the builders tips section. I'll do that next time.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:04 pm
by Browndog
Here are some pictures of the spray rail sample that were received and subsequently glued up with gel magic and faired with ez fillet. Waiting for two 20 foot lengths that were ordered to arrive. I will screw and glue them in place after this test and then apply fillets too. Just received 4 tubes of gel magic from Bateau to use for this purpose. Also received some primer, paint and non skid for the top sides and graphite for the bottom.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 6:53 pm
by Browndog
Haven't posted much, because all I've been doing is applying fairing compound to the boat and sanding a bunch of it off. At least that's how it feels. The bow and transom are close to done, probably some touch up work needed. Working on both of the sides now and a little bit of the bottom. Just ordered more Quick Fair as I will run out soon. Pretty good stuff.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 7:07 pm
by Eric1
The boat is looking really good. You can come help me if you run out of Quick Fair! :lol:

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 7:30 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, really nice work!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 7:34 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Outstanding work, neat and clean...

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 5:51 pm
by Browndog
Continuing to fair and sand the hull. Nearly done with the sides, will finish tonight and start on the bottom. Cut some of the 6mm plywood into strips to laminate a rub rail. Received a shipment yesterday of the semi rigid PVC rubrail and stainless steel insert as well as the PVC spray rails. Working hard now to get the outside of the hull to where it can be painted and then flipped. Still a few weeks away I believe. Going to pick up the trailer tomorrow.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 8:30 pm
by Browndog
Picked up the trailer today. Put fairing compound on one half of the bottom too. WIll put fairing compound on the other half of the bottom tomorrow and Sunday.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat May 06, 2017 8:09 am
by Eric1
Nice Trailer!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 12:48 am
by Fuzz
My thought also :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:03 am
by glossieblack
Just been catching up on your build. Very nice! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 10:20 am
by Browndog
This morning I finished applying Quick Fair to the bottom. Have several days of sanding ahead. I've used up the first three quart Quick Fair kit and about two quarts of the 1 1/2 Gallon Kit I just received to fair the outside of the hull. There should be enough left to finish the console, topsides and that portion of deck not covered by non skid.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:31 pm
by Eric1
You boat is looking great!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 1:49 pm
by David516
That hull is beautiful!!!
Like I said, You are meticulous!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:31 am
by Browndog
After a couple rounds of fairing and sanding and touching up and sanding and then sanding some more decided to sharpen the transom edge today.

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Getting ready to prime everything and then put on the spray rails and rub rails and then priming again.

The garage is covered in dust despite my frequent vacuuming and leaf blower use.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 9:59 am
by Jeff
Nice work Browndog!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue May 16, 2017 12:24 pm
by Fuzz
If you can hook a shop vac up to your sander it will help a lot with the dust.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 8:30 am
by Browndog
Very pleased with the way the transom edge sharpening turned out. After sanding and fairing and sanding again it looks good.

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Decided to start priming the boat. Starting with the transom. Had a little extra mixed up so did one half of the bow as well as that part of the bottom immediately ahead of the transom. Essentially, the areas with the most overlaps, to see what additional fairing may be required. Looks pretty good.

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Will probably prime the rest of the hull this weekend.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 9:07 am
by pee wee
Nice, I'd say you've got the hang of it!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 12:17 pm
by Fuzz
I would say her transom looks more than just pretty good.Nice work all the way around.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 4:36 pm
by cape_fisherman
A guide coat will quickly tell you where any areas are that need attention.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu May 18, 2017 10:05 pm
by Mikem59
Browndog, looks really good, very sharp lines on your transom intersections.

LIke cape fisherman states, a guide coat will quickly tell you where the areas are that need attention. I had some leftover graphite that I used for the guidecoat, I was very pleased with how easy and how revealing that was for the highs and lows. Maybe too revealing, but worth the effort.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 11:24 am
by Browndog
Got the rest of the hull primed. Put two coats on everything to get it at least somewhat opaque. Finding lots of pinholes and places in the weave that weren't filled by the fairing. Will be touching things up over the next couple of days. But, it is making me feel that there is some progress.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 11:45 am
by pee wee
Sweet! That's looking great, good progress.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 12:16 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Very nice work :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 1:23 pm
by David516
Looks like a beautiful job. Wish I was even close to that progress!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 7:51 am
by topwater
Its definitely a milestone when you get the hull one color , nice work :!:

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 8:39 am
by Browndog
Thanks guys for the comments. It really helps to know y'all are out there supporting the project. Late yesterday I went around the hull with some Quickfair and filled the obvious pinholes and low areas. This morning I sanded all of the Quickfair patches and spent some time on the transom corners smoothing the transition from the sharp edge to the rounded side edges.

Also, spent time yesterday and this morning prepping everything for the installation of the two 20 foot lengths of PVC spray rails. Lots of holes to drill!

After doing some online research, the plan is to rough up the PVC edge with sandpaper, use the PVC Cleaner to wipe it down, use the PVC Blue adhesive as a primer, then glue them on with Gel Magic and the help of my friend Lou. Screws will temporarily hold them in place every 6 inches, but the screws will be removed when the epoxy sets up and ultimately stainless carriage bolts will be used with washers and nuts on the inside once the boat is flipped. I plan on bedding the bolts in epoxy and covering the washers and nuts with epoxy fillets and fiberglass tape. The goal is for this to be a permanent, durable and watertight installation.

We are going to put these on the boat this afternoon.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 9:36 am
by Jaysen
Why the carriage bolts?

That epoxy is STRONG stuff... and the forces that the spray rail will encounter will be shear to the glue line which would not be countered by the bolts. I'd think it would be better to avoid them if possible. Maybe I'm missing something though.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 3:19 pm
by Browndog
My friend Lou came over and helped me install the spray rails. They are long, cumbersome and heavy. They are manufactured by Barbour Plastics, model R1059. We first scuffed up the side we were gluing to with 80 grit sandpaper, then used PVC cleaner to wipe down the surface, then applied blue PVC cement as a primer. Once the PVC cement was dry we applied Gel Magic to the hull with cartridges in a caulking gun. I had taped off the hull so we put the rails in place and started screwing them down. Making the curve in the bow required a little extra finessing, but everything held in place with an extra screw in the bow area. I cut one side at the bow and left the other side to cure before shaping it. Took us two hours from start to finish.

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We applied an extra bit of glue as a fillet, wiped everything down and removed the tape. Once everything cures, I'll apply a fillet on the top and bottom and sand everything smooth, fairing as necessary.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 9:18 am
by pee wee
Well that's a quick way to get spray rails! Are you sure you need through bolts? That's an awful lot of holes below the water line, and the epoxy is really strong . .
Love your build so far, it looks like your fairing job was quite good. Looking forward to first reports on FS-19 performance- no pressure!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 10:13 am
by Browndog
The spray rails have now been filleted top and bottom and I started on the rubrail on one side of the boat.

As far as the questions regarding the through bolting. When researching how to apply the sprayrails I discovered that PVC is hard to adhere to. The Gougeon Brothers had a white paper about how best to adhere epoxy to PVC and that is where I learned about using the cleaner and the adhesive as a primer to promote adhesion. Despite my sample sticking pretty well I'm a belt and suspenders kind of guy. Most of these spray rails in the Northeast are applied with gobs of 5200 and through bolts or screws.

Not wanting to take any chances I decided to compromise and also through bolt with 1/4" carriage bolts that will be bedded in epoxy. RIght now there are temporary screws until the epoxy cures fully. Once the boat is flipped I will drill out and countersink the holes for the bolts. On the inside each washer and nut will be encased in fillet material and covered with fiberglass tape and then fiberglass cloth. It is the most permanent, watertight way I found to do the job. I'm committed now. Time will tell.

Overall, I'm pleased with how things look. The spray rails create a bit of a reverse chine and should add lift in addition to knocking down spray.

Planning to laminate three pieces of marine plywood to make the rubrail on each side.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 10:42 am
by pee wee
I'd forgotten you were building it for your brother! Will you be able to -ahem- test run it before it gets sent up there?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 11:51 am
by Browndog
The boat will get time on the water down here before being given to my brother. He visits regularly and is coming down this weekend to do a little fishing and help out with the construction. Lots of people in the neighborhood are following the build and have already "reserved" a ride.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 12:27 pm
by Fuzz
Your boat is looking really good. I think there are a ton of us wanting to see how one of these runs when it is finished :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue May 23, 2017 1:03 pm
by bateau-webmaster
Definitely interested in the hydrodynamic properties of those spray-rails. Those things are huge.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu May 25, 2017 7:56 am
by Browndog
Been working on the rub rails. Put three layers of 6mm okoume, ripped to 3" wide on one side and the transom. Ran out of Gel Magic. Will need to shape the rails a little bit and fillet the bottom. Eventually, when the gunnels are added, the edge will be radiused and the fiberglass cloth for the gunnels will overlap the rub rail. The rub rail will be painted white like the interior and a rigid vinyl rub rail will be added with a stainless steel insert on the bottom edge of the painted rub rail.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 7:14 pm
by Browndog
Did more fishing with my brother and his wife over the long weekend than boat building. Got the rubrail on the other side mostly installed. One small section to do tomorrow.

A few pics of some fish from the nearshore reefs.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 7:37 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Great catch!
Those are some nice black sea bass, or blackfish as Cracker used to call them :D I see a triggerfish too. Triggerfish have been closed here for a couple of years. Not sure why :doh: I guess the folks that are supposed to count them don't know how to catch them.
Your boat is looking great, love the spray rails...

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 6:05 am
by Eric1
Nice catch! Black Sea Bass is great eating too!! 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 7:50 am
by Jeff
Great fishing Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 10:37 am
by Browndog
Thanks guys. I got back to work on the boat. Finished laminating the rub rail. Sealed the bottom edge with neat epoxy and then started to apply a fillet on the bottom on all the parts that were already done.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 6:45 pm
by glossieblack
Coming along very nicely. :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:04 am
by Browndog
Decided the bottom was fair enough and put the first coat of epoxy w/graphite on half of the bottom.

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Of course, now I see more flaws. Two more coats of epoxy w/graphite should hide a lot, but I will definitely do more fairing and priming on the sides which will be much more visible.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 9:17 am
by Eric1
That looks Good!! I hope mine will be as nice.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:24 pm
by TomW1
Looking good. On the sides use guide coats of graphite or fast drying spray paint. This will show you your highs and lows. You can do it once you finish the bottom. Put in on and sand it off, then go with the next layer of fairing compound. By just filling the lows it will save you compound.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:56 am
by Browndog
Got the whole bottom coated now with one layer of epoxy w/graphite. Will sand it when cured. Lots of small air bubbles. A few areas that could have been faired better near the tape overlaps and some pinholes still showing up. But it still looks good and I'm eager to put another couple of coats on to really smooth everything out.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:37 am
by pee wee
Those who've done it before say to wet sand or it'll be a huge mess.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 11:56 am
by Jeff
Looks really good Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 11:07 am
by Browndog
No pictures, but I did wet sand the whole bottom with 120 grit paper and then recoated with another layer of epoxy w/graphite and really took my time with rolling and then tipping each section. The second coat looks a lot better. Will do a third coat in the next few days.

Also sanded the rubrail to smooth epoxy drips and seams. Will do a little more work on the filets under the rubrail before painting the sides. My plan for the sides and transom is to definitely do a guide coat w/powdered graphite, then sand and then apply Quick Fair where needed then prime again.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 1:25 pm
by Fuzz
The first coat looked pretty good. If the next ones are better you are going to have one shiny bottom.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:07 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Looks pretty fair from this picture, no tape lines visible at all, in fact it looks great. Can't wait to see pictures after three coats.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:40 pm
by Browndog
After sanding the last coat with 220 grit and one more coat of epoxy w/graphite and careful tipping with a brush I feel like the bottom is close to done.

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It is very smooth now, still have some defects of course due to dust and eyelash hairs etc. But, I think it would pass the 3 foot test now.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 4:52 pm
by Jeff
Very nice Browndog!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:21 pm
by willg
Looks great from here, Browndog. Fish ought to like it, too.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:05 am
by pee wee
I agree, very nice. Time to call it done and move on to the next thing!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 11:50 am
by Browndog
Over the past few days I used a powdered graphite guide coat on the sides over the primer and sanded with 220 grit paper. Found lots of small pinholes on one side of the boat. The other side and the transom look better. Filled the pinholes and other defects with Quick Fair. Will do a light sanding tomorrow and then plan to prime everything again with two more coats of Silvertip Yacht Primer.

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Also removed the tape from the spray rails and transom and got a nice clean edge to the bottom paint. Used a putty knife to clean up some of the fillets on the top of the spray rails. The PVC cleans up really easily because things have trouble sticking to it. Also sanded all of the fillets on the sides and transom in preparation of priming them too.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:47 am
by Browndog
Finished putting quick fair on the other side. Sanded the side and transom that had been faired yesterday. Of course found more little spots, but will go ahead with a coat of primer to work with a clean slate. Might have to do another touch up. Put a coat of SIlvertip Yacht primer on the transom and on the one side. Will put on at least one more coat. The pencil marks that remained after sanding are not completely hidden by one coat and I don't want them to read through the finished paint.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:20 am
by Browndog
After another round of touch ups, sanding and priming again.

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Still need to sand and prime the other side after this morning's round of Quick Fair touch ups. I used a flashlight with it's beam at an angle to really pick out the flaws. There were a lot more small defects. Seemed like the bottom and the one side I just didn't fill the weave as well as the transom and the other side.


This boat will be in the family a long time. I don't want to settle for a 20 ft. paint job on the sides. I could have done better on the bottom, but at least it won't be seen that much once the boat is flipped.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:41 am
by Jeff
Browndog, That looks great!! Not sure how much better you can do?? Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:07 am
by Browndog
After another round of primer I felt like I was introducing blemishes into the surface with my sanding, so I decided to move on to topcoating the surface with Aquamist colored Awlgrip. Took several days off while on a three day golf trip to the Daytona Beach, FL area. Figured the primer would have time to fully cure over those few days. Went fishing here at home yesterday and decided to start painting today because it looks stormy for fishing.

Got one coat of the Awlgrip on the boat this morning. Hard to see the color just yet. It is a very light greenish white. Will put on three more coats over the next few days.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:39 am
by Jeff
Browndog, That prime looks really good in the photos!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:58 pm
by Eric1
First coat looks great! You done a fine job so far too. :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:28 am
by Browndog
Well spent a good part of yesterday rounding up parts for the boat. Thru hulls, bilge pumps, stern eyes, trim tabs, leaning post, steering wheel, cleats, wash down pump, vhf radio, etc.

Put on a second coat of paint last night. Hand sanded everything with 400 grit paper this morning before applying a third coat of Aquamist colored Awlgrip. Takes about an hour rolling and tipping per coat.

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The color is a little hard to see in the photo, but looks good in person.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 10:17 am
by pee wee
Boat is looking great! Are you planning for a transom repaint once all the through hulls and fiberglass work inside is done?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:43 pm
by Browndog
I will probably have to do some touch ups once everything is installed. But it seems like it is easier to paint the boat now than when it is flipped.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 4:55 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Beautiful paint work! You can really see the great job of fairing that you did!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 5:39 pm
by Jeff
I agree with Richard excellent fairing and great paint finish!! Very nice!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:33 am
by topwater
Nice 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:57 pm
by Browndog
Hand sanded the hull again with 400 grit paper after the 4th coat of Awlgrip. Put on the fifth coat and used a nicer brush to tip off with.

Looks good. Still has dust nibs, arm hairs and gratuitous bugs. No matter how careful, I can't get it any better than it is right now.

Gonna let it cure for a few days and then have a flipping party at the end of the week.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:10 pm
by Browndog
Took the masking tape off of the spray rails today. Ran a rag over the bottom to remove the dust and opened the garage door to air everything out. The Aquamist greenish color finally comes through in the following picture.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:40 pm
by Marshall Moser
Love the color. Can't wait to see it upright.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:16 pm
by Eric1
That's a really great color! The Boat looks awesome!!! :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:09 pm
by pee wee
That looks great!

I bet the boat looks a lot bigger once you flip it.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:21 pm
by TomW1
Love the color, you did a fine job of fairing.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:13 pm
by Jeff
Beautiful Browndog!!! Really nice work!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:56 am
by Fuzz
Really nice Browndog :!:

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:11 pm
by Browndog
Some goodies for the boat arrived today.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:43 pm
by Eric1
Nice!!! :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:32 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, Boat Christmas in June!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:07 am
by glossieblack
A deserved reward for all that fairing and the nice paint job. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:21 am
by blueflood
Love the colour Browndog, great job :D

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:59 pm
by Browndog
During this lull in construction due to the flipping party scheduled for Friday Afternoon, I decided to start fabricating some parts. Began work on the swim step this morning after making a couple drawings, measuring some stuff and looking at pictures.

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Some more goodies arrived this afternoon.

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And my project for tonight was to put together the leaning post.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:14 pm
by Browndog
Getting ready to flip the boat tomorrow. First time I've ever done this. What advice do y'all have?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:18 pm
by Eric1
I've never done it but My best wishes for a safe and successful Flip!!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:59 pm
by TomW1
I know Cracker Larry did it by himself with some properly spaced winches, but he built flat bottom boats. :D For yours have your cradle ready and 5 or 6 guys, some place soft to tip it over and then place in the new cradle.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:47 pm
by cape_fisherman
Browndog wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:14 pm Getting ready to flip the boat tomorrow. First time I've ever done this. What advice do y'all have?
Pucker

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:01 pm
by narfi
Had over $1000 of epoxy paint we put on my basement floor yesterday.
Just before we burst the first pac of epoxy to start mixing the guy I was working with said,

"You know what they say?"

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"Don't screw up"

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:06 pm
by Aripeka Angler
cape_fisherman wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:47 pm
Browndog wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:14 pm Getting ready to flip the boat tomorrow. First time I've ever done this. What advice do y'all have?
Pucker
:doh: :doh:

What is to hell kind of advice is that? :roll:

Get plenty of help, build a cradle and carefully flip your boat is the proper answer.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:10 pm
by Browndog
You guys got me worried. Well, I've got lots of people coming over to help. It will either be easy or a spectacle to remember. Using the boat trailer as the new cradle. My plan is to put some soft stuff on the ground like pillows, blankets etc. to put the boat down. Have everyone get around the perimeter of the boat and lift. Pull the mold and strongback out from underneath. Lay the boat down and turn it, then put it on the trailer. Pizza and beer to celebrate. Hope it is that simple.

I'll have plenty of pictures to share tomorrow night.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:21 pm
by cape_fisherman
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:06 pm
cape_fisherman wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:47 pm
Browndog wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2017 6:14 pm Getting ready to flip the boat tomorrow. First time I've ever done this. What advice do y'all have?
Pucker
:doh: :doh:

What is to hell kind of advice is that? :roll:

Get plenty of help, build a cradle and carefully flip your boat is the proper answer.
I'm very sorry you have no sense of humor. I read this forum, and folks banter back & forth quite a bit. This isn't the first time you have chosen to take exception to one of my posts. I do hope, and truthfully so, that this will be the last time you chose this path.

I apologize to the OP if my humor was misplaced.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:28 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Browndog wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:10 pm You guys got me worried. Well, I've got lots of people coming over to help. It will either be easy or a spectacle to remember. Using the boat trailer as the new cradle. My plan is to put some soft stuff on the ground like pillows, blankets etc. to put the boat down. Have everyone get around the perimeter of the boat and lift. Pull the mold and strongback out from underneath. Lay the boat down and turn it, then put it on the trailer. Pizza and beer to celebrate. Hope it is that simple.

I'll have plenty of pictures to share tomorrow night.
Looking forward to your flip pictures :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:32 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, it will go well for you, I am sure!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:52 pm
by Fuzz
Sounds like you have a pretty good plan. Lots of help and a soft place to land it on will take the thrill out of it. These boats are a lot tougher than we think at this point. Your biggest challenge is not scuffing up that pretty paint job.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:45 am
by Browndog
Thanks guys for the support. I do appreciate the humor and understand the "trash talk" is just an expression of Love. I certainly don't take it as being malicious and I hope others see it in the same light.

My concerns are based on inexperience. The boat seems so solid right now. Still, I don't have a good understanding of how strong it will be without the internal support of the mold. Certainly it is going to be awkward to handle because of it's size and I don't have any heavy equipment like tractors or cranes to help things along.

My thought is that this is like an Amish Barn Raising, where "many hands make light work".

Looking forward to seeing the boat on it's trailer. Reallly excited for the next phase of construction.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:33 am
by Jaysen
The glue is stronger than the wood. And you've put a lot of glass in the glue which makes it even stronger. Remember that.

Now go try to break a piece of plywood. Take video and pictures. We all enjoy watching folks do things that we know can't be done. Plywood is strong crap. That's why it's used for so many structural components these days. And if you used good ply it's virtually indestructible without serious effort.

Seriously though. Try to break some. Tell us what it takes. 3/8" here took a 12lb sledge for three hits.

See? Nothing to worry about other than the paint.

Now go flip that boat!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:07 am
by bateau-webmaster
Have Help! I've seen a lot done with tie-downs, hooked to the bow-eye, and transom, which seems to go well (saw a PH18 done that way) but most importantly have at least one other person there to help you, the more the merrier.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:19 am
by topwater
I flipped my hull with my 14 year old son and myself. Don't worry about the hull it's a lot stronger than you think .
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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:26 am
by Chuck H
Browndog,

Your boat is unlikely to break but it's still pretty flexible. Attach some battens beamwise from gunwale to gunwale. You can see them clamped to topwater's boat in the pictures he posted above. If the sides splay out it's difficult to get them fair again and your precision cnc cut frames may not fit any more.

Hope your flip is uneventful. Your boat looks great!

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:46 pm
by Fuzz
If you have a way to hoist the hull flipping is easy. I have flipped hulls as large as 36 foot in my shop. If not then your plan of having a flipping party is a good one. As stated above some bracing inside really helps. Some guys will crawl under the boat and tab a few frames to the boat. Do not get carried away with the tabbing as it will need to be removed. I know it is hard to do at the time but flipping pictures are always neat to see.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:23 pm
by Browndog
Well after much worry the boat flip was very uneventful and in retrospect kind of easy. I had a nice crew of helpers to lift the boat up and another smaller crew pull the strongback and mold out from underneath it. We then slowly rotated the hull in the air and when it was right side up we just walked it over to the trailer and put it on the bunks. Piece of cake. We had blankets and pillows and foam noodles and drop cloths set up to put the boat down on if need be and never used them at all. It took longer to explain the process to the helpers of what we were going to do than to actually do it. Afterwards we had beer and pizza and everyone was gone in about an hour.

Moving the trailer into position
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Taking the boat and strongback out of the garage
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Positioning everything before the flip
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Positioning the boat on the trailer
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The boat and trailer next to the strongback and mold
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The boat flipping crew posing for a victory celebration
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The boat back in the garage on its trailer
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The trailer needs some adjustments to the trailer bunks, the bow post and the tire holder to get everything in the proper position.

The mold and strongback also need to be deconstructed.

Very happy and excited!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:51 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Beautiful, congratulations!! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:03 pm
by glossieblack
Well done Browndog! She looks great on her trailer. 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:31 pm
by Jeff
Great team work Browndog!! Glad the flip was easier than expected!!! Have a good weekend!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:45 pm
by Eric1
Looks great , I'm glad it went well!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:56 pm
by narfi
Agreed it is looking very nice!

I do have a question about the rub-rail, it looks like there are a couple of areas with gaps but hard to see in the picture... are there, or is it already filled with epoxy/wood flour and is just an optical illusion?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:23 pm
by Browndog
The rub rail has to be finished on what is now the top edge. The joints between pieces on the face of the rubrail were filled with EZ Fillet during the lamination process and then sanded flush. Once the gunwales get added I will extend the fiberglass cloth from the coating over top of the gunwales and rubrail. The rubrail will then be primed and painted white. Finally on the bottom edge of the rubrail a rigid PVC rubrail will be added and then a stainless steel insert put in place.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:50 pm
by Fuzz
Dang with that much flipping help you can build a 30 footer next time :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:33 pm
by Browndog
Rained every day since the boat flip seems like. Got some work done nonetheless. Been removing the screws in the spray rails and drilling out the holes, countersinking them and sealing the holes with epoxy then inserting bolts bedded with 3M 5200 white sealant and washers with nuts on the inside.

Took the molds off of the strongback. It looks very lonely out on the driveway by itself, kind of sad.
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Started filling the gaps around the transom edge with EZ Fillet and applying two layers of 12 Oz Biaxial tape to the corner seams.
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Continuing to fabricate the swim step.

Spent some time redesigning the console as well. I had bought plans and a CNC kit for a small console and now realize it is way too small for the boat. I will probably need to get some more plywood to build the console as the one on the drawing board now will require more than I have.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:55 pm
by Eric1
Build when you can my friend. Looking forward to seeing more!! :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:38 am
by Dougster
Browndog wrote: Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:33 pm Rained every day since the boat flip seems like. Got some work done nonetheless. Been removing the screws in the spray rails and drilling out the holes, countersinking them and sealing the holes with epoxy then inserting bolts bedded with 3M 5200 white sealant and washers with nuts on the inside.

Took the molds off of the strongback. It looks very lonely out on the driveway by itself, kind of sad.
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I cut the strongback for my LB22 in half, added legs with castors, and ended up with two very handy, moveable work tables for my shop.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:45 pm
by Browndog
Good idea Dougster.

Finished fiberglassing the transom seams and kept going with 2 layers of the cloth and got the transom done.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:37 pm
by Browndog
Finished some detail work on the transom.

Nearly done with the swim step fabrication

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:58 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, nice touch with the swim step!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:33 am
by glossieblack
Sweet. 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:15 am
by BB Sig
Digging the swim step. How are you attaching it? I've been thinking my GT will need a couple of swim steps like this.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:17 am
by Eric1
Swim step came out great! That's is a must have to me. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:42 am
by Browndog
Once I finish sanding, painting and installing the grab rail and ladder assembly with through bolts, my plan is to through bolt the finished step through the back panel to the transom on the left side of the motor with good sized washers and holes sealed with epoxy and bolts bedded in 5200.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:40 pm
by Browndog
Finished replacing all of the screws in the spray rail with through bolts. It was a bit of a roadblock because I had to overcome the issue of removing the screws in areas where the trailer interfered. Finally figured it out and got the last 20 done. That allowed me to fillet and tape the chine seams.

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Continuing to reinforce with fiberglass, sand and shape the swim step. It is amazing how much work a small fabrication project entails.

Hope to do the keel seam tomorrow and tackle the wide cloth next.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 2:18 pm
by Jeff
Nice work Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:57 pm
by BB Sig
Looks great! Now you can start imagining where you want to put things. Place a chair in there and have a drink while looking at what you want to do! :lol:

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:01 pm
by Browndog
Got the keel seam filleted and taped with two layers of 12 oz biaxial tape. Then while still wet used the offcuts of 12 oz cloth to fiberglass the interior up to six inches past the chine. Looks like a quilt that my wife would not be proud of. :P

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I took the time with the chine tape to cut slits for everyone of the bolts. Didn't do that with the cloth and you can see some air bubbles around many of the bolts.

Will use the 9 oz. cloth to cover the sides this weekend.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:09 pm
by BB Sig
There is not supposed to be permanent bolts under the fiberglass with this method of stitch and glue. You should have glued the sprayrails on and then removed the bolts.

If you leave the bolts in, they will cause issues. :help:

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:43 pm
by MrPaul
Yup.... :doh: gotta get'em out and fill those holes. Shouldn't be too hard.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:48 pm
by narfi
I wondered about that as well, but went back through the thread and found this,

Browndog wrote: Mon May 22, 2017 8:39 am
Also, spent time yesterday and this morning prepping everything for the installation of the two 20 foot lengths of PVC spray rails. Lots of holes to drill!

If I remember right PVC doesn't bond well with epoxy, so my guess is that is why it has to be bolted in.

Hope it works out alright :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:54 pm
by MrPaul
Man.. I forgot they were PVC. 5200? Jacques will probably know what needs to be done. I'm by no means an expert but I'd worry about them rusting out over time and leaking.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:02 pm
by BB Sig
Epoxy glue bonds to plastic really well. I can pickup my FS13 by the chase tube. :wink: I think I would find a way to get rid of the bolts. Get Jacques' opinion...

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:10 pm
by MrPaul
I made the radius on my xf 20 tunnel with milled glass and epoxy molded with 6" pvc. It stuck to the mold but I was able to pop it off. Didn't turn out well due to leakage and I'm going to have to redo them but I wouldn't trust the bond to cover holes in my boat.

This is a really nice hull. I'm sure Jacques will have a good solution.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:39 pm
by Browndog
The bolts are in for good. They are in holes sealed with epoxy and bedded in 5200. On the inside they are covered with epoxy and filleting material. Those spray rails are there for the duration!

If y'all recall the PVC spray rails were treated with PVC cleaner, then prepped with PVC adhesive, then glued on with Gel Magic and then filleted with EZ fillet. Then through bolted. They are very dense and heavy. They look good on the boat too.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:48 pm
by Browndog
Got the 6 oz cloth applied to the interior on the starboard side. Will do the port side tomorrow. The squegee really helped to get the fabric to lay down nicely.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:07 pm
by Jeff
Nice Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:33 am
by Eric1
Browndog, I' curious. What are the little black dots in your fillets?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:17 am
by cape_fisherman
I'm pretty sure those are his chine screws. I've never seen them left like that.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 8:16 am
by Browndog
Eric, Not sure what the "black dots" are that you are referring to.

Seems like my decision to through bolt the spray rails and then cover the bolts with epoxy and filleting material and fiberglass cloth has gotten everyone all a twitter. When I solicited advice for the spray rails, this forum was pretty much silent and the thread got hijacked. Now I'm getting lots of Monday morning quarterbacking. Rest easy everyone, it wasn't a spur of the moment decision. A lot of research on line and with the manufacturer of the spray rails was done before deciding on a course of action.

I'm going to take the approach of Fuzz in Alaska. It's my boat and I'm doing it this way. For example, the side cloth is optional on this design. Yes it will add weight and cost, and construction time. Perhaps it will make the boat a little stronger and the surface more durable but it is optional and I've decided to add it after weighing the pros and cons.

A few points to consider and some humor, remember, the bolts are not structural. No fasteners have been used in creating the hull shape or joints. Only to attach an external structure. The PVC rubrail with stainless steel insert will also be attached with through bolts or "God Forbid" screws!

To get everyone even more worked up, all of those bolts for the spray rail are going to be covered by poured in buoyancy foam as well. The HORROR!

When I said the bolts are in for the duration, I mean it. It will be very hard to access them in the future. So be it. I understand that. Could there be crevice corrosion of the bolts, I don't know, it's a risk I'm willing to take. But if the spray rails had come off the hull because I only used adhesive without using bolts, my only option would be using screws to put new ones back on which are not as effective as bolts. It's a trade off. I'm taking what I believe is the less risky option.

I'm not building a space shuttle. This boat will be on its trailer for most of its life. My brother will likely use it for a day at a time and then put it right back on its trailer. I doubt it will get as much use as he would like.

More components on this boat will likely suffer from not being used. Impellers taking a set. Batteries going dead. More damage will likely occur from docks being hit and things being dropped on the deck than anything else.

My plan has been to try and use the best components and techniques I can with the tools, knowledge and equipment I have, especially where it shows, to make this a very attractive boat. Hopefully the boat performs well and he will be proud of it and enjoy it for many years.

If the spray rails work great than it will be a new best practice technique to copy. If they are a failure than all y'all will be the first to learn from it.

In the meantime I'll keep building the boat and documenting my build since this is the first FS 19 to get this far that I know of and hopefully others who follow with this plan will benefit from someone having taken the risk to go ahead and be one of the first builders.

Most of all, I appreciate the support and encouragement I've received. Keep it coming.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:27 am
by Eric1
I didn't intend to rub you wrong. I was just curious as to what I was seeing. It's your boat/build and for what is worth I have never told you what to do with it. I hope you get many years of enjoyment with it when you finish her.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:26 am
by Browndog
Eric,

My post wasn't directed at you, I was afraid you might take it that way. You have been always encouraging and helpful. Your question just came at the end of a string of other comments that struck me as less than encouraging that prompted me to adresss them. Probably should have just ignored the chatter, but I was feeling a little tender this morning for other reasons and couldn't stop myself from responding. Sorry If I hurt anyone's feelings.

A dose of boat building has cleared my head and renewed my enthusiasm and optimism.

The interior fiberglassing was finished this morning. Will start on Tuesday with the stringers and bulkheads.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:33 am
by narfi
Hehe your comment reminds me of something a coworker often says.

"Its not going to the moon!"

Looking good, keep the pictures comming :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:37 pm
by Jeff
Fully agree with Narfi Browndog!!! Looks good and keep the photos coming!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:47 pm
by Eric1
All Good, Build on. :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 9:50 pm
by Browndog
Dry fitted the stringers and bulkheads this evening. Looks good, but will need to do some sanding here and there in some spots to get the gaps more even all around.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 5:50 am
by glossieblack
Looking very good Browndog. Build on. 8)

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:32 am
by Jeff
Nice Browndog!!! Great progress!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:00 pm
by Browndog
Had a nice visit today from fellow forum member Pee Wee and was able to pass along the disassembled molds and strongback to him for his upcoming FS 19 build. It was nice to have another set of eyes here to look at the stringers and bulkheads as I was having trouble with the C Bulkhead being very proud of the stringers. We looked at the plans together and discovered that the C Bulkhead appears to have been cut a bit oversized. Later I redrew the correct dimensions on the bulkhead and sawed off the excess. Good to go again. Thanks Pee Wee for the help and for the bottle of fine whiskey!

Did some more figuring, measuring, final trimming and cutting of limber holes tonight and will hopefully start taping the stringers and bulkheads in tomorrow.

After some thought I will most likely shorten the casting deck in the front and take the extra space and add it in the back so I can put in a livewell and baitwell.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:06 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Great report, keep up the fine work! 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:30 pm
by David516
Absolutely meticulous work !

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:10 am
by Fuzz
Browndog you have a lot of eyes on your build with it being the first one as far as I know. This is a very interesting build to me and you are doing a great job with it. I will be following along through the launch and hopefully the performance report :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:56 am
by pee wee
That's a fine looking build, and it looks bigger than I expected. I think this design is going to be a success. :D

It was great to meet a fellow forum member and boat builder, Browndog. There's a lot of thought going into this build, I'm amazed that you're making such good progress while still sorting out the details.

Thanks for the molds and strongback, that'll get my build off to a good start once I've got my shop built!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:17 am
by Eric1
That looks Great !!!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 11:21 am
by narfi
I hadn't noticed that bulkhead standing up in th3 pictures wh3n you first posted them. But looking back I see it now.

Glad you were able to figure it out and get it corrected.
Looking good. Makes me eager to get going on my 17!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 5:13 pm
by Browndog
Filleted and added two layers of 12 oz biaxial tape to the motorwell sides at the transom and bottom.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:26 pm
by justin_dwyer
Looking good mate, you are setting a cracking pace :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:41 pm
by David516
That boat is looking as strong as an ox !!!! Very nice work !

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:01 am
by stickystuff
why do people always get their panties in a wad.There is nothing that says you can or can,t bolt them on. the old timeys have done it for years. Most all older wooden boats have their rub rails either screwed or bolted on with brass hardware. I personally like the old brass and varnish finish on wooden boats. Go to an antique boat show sometime and check things out. These old boats are probably older than you or I. If you like it bolted on then do it. The hell what other people think. Just use either stainless or brass hardware. Some cheap grade stainless may not hold up as well with epoxy. I have heard diff. stories on this hardware. I say, do it your way. You can still ad the bolts. Use a flat head type and it will be flush and have a finished look. If you have a small countersink then predrill with one. The old phart has spoken. :D :doh: :wink:

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:31 am
by joe2700
stickystuff wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:01 am Just use either stainless or brass hardware. Some cheap grade stainless may not hold up as well with epoxy.
Stainless is only stainless when exposed to oxygen. If you enclose stainless fasteners(even good ones) and moisture ever gets in there they will rust. If they aren't structural you may not care, but that's why you generally don't want to enclose stainless fasteners.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:04 pm
by TomW1
Joe is right, brass is the right fastener to use in a moisture area. I have a Mirror Dinghy built in the 1960's that had brass screws that were perfectly fine when I rebuilt it in 2009.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:06 am
by Fuzz
Guys it is my understanding that you never want to use brass. It has zinc in it that will leach out and leave a very weak fitting. The thing to use is silicon bronze. Jamestown has a large selection of bronze.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:36 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:06 am Guys it is my understanding that you never want to use brass. It has zinc in it that will leach out and leave a very weak fitting. The thing to use is silicon bronze. Jamestown has a large selection of bronze.
Bingo. That's some fun stuff to machine too.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:49 pm
by topwater
That's why they came up with bronze all those years ago. The only thing that comes close is maybe copper nickel.
But what do i know i am not a engineer nor do i play one.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:46 pm
by Browndog
Continued to Fillet and Tape the motorwell sides, stringers and Bulkhead F. Used 12 oz biaxial cloth everywhere except for the inside corners of the battery box and aft storage area where I used 9 oz. woven tape instead.

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Still trying to figure out where everything will go. Especially the fuel tank. Also trying to make heads or tails out of the relatively new EPA Evaporative emissions regulations and designing a fuel system to be compliant.

Got about 2 gallons of epoxy left and about a third of the EZ Fillet left so I reordered another 3 gallons of Silvertip Epoxy and another 1 1/2 Gallons of EZ Fillet.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:41 pm
by Eric1
Looking great Rock on! 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:28 pm
by blueflood
Keep at it Browndog :D 8)

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:08 am
by topwater
Do you have to be compliant with the EPA fuel regs :?: You're not a manufacturer. I just did it the old fashion way and didn't have any problems.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:44 am
by Browndog
Topwater,

Been looking for a home built boat exemption to the EPA evaporative emissions rules, but haven't found one. The Coast Guard rules exempt outboards, but the EPA rules do not. Still researching. Will let everyone know once I order my tank what path I'm going to take.

Continuing to Fillet and tape the stringers and bulkheads. Finished up to Bulkhead E. I'm going to remove the middle section of Bulkhead E and move it back towards the stern as a bulkhead under the front wall of a new above sole Bulkhead that I will install 15" in front of Bulkhead F in order to accommodate a livewell, baitwell and seating area.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:53 pm
by glossieblack
Moving along nicely Browndog. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:37 pm
by Newt
Maybe that'll be one of the 2 for 1 rules. :D

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:54 am
by Jeff
Great build Browndog!! Really enjoy following it!! Your order shipped Friday afternoon. I will check on it tomorrow morning. Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 2:26 pm
by Browndog
Thanks Jeff.

Did some trimming and sanding this morning to clean up some sharp edges and tape excess. Also cut out the middle part of bulkhead E and repositioned it to about 17 inches in front of Bulkhead F. I will be adding a bulkhead above the sole in the same area to create a casting deck/seating area/livewell/baitwell and storage area in front of the motor well. To gain the space, the C bulkhead above the sole will be moved towards the bow by a similar amount. The area between the repositioned bulkhead E and Bulkhead D is where the fuel tank will go. I will be ordering the fuel tank soon. According to some calculations the tank capacity should be about 37 Gallons.

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Trying to figure out how many rigging tubes to install and where to put them. Been doing a lot of searching of forum postings to look at pictures and see previous discussions of the topic. Will be heading to town to pick up some PVC tubing and 2 X 4's & 1 X 1's for cleats this coming week.

Going to raise the sole by an inch by using the grooved 2 X 4 Stringer Cleat method that I saw on an earlier post. With a 1/2" groove. That will help with the fuel tank clearance under the sole.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:13 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Looking good Browndog :D
I just read about your plan with the 2x4 stringer caps.
I cut mine down to 1-1/2" x 1-1/2" to save weight. Your boat is much bigger, you might not be concerned with weight. The groove is 1/4" deep.
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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:28 am
by topwater
Richard thats a huge time saver 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:09 pm
by Browndog
Did a small amount of filleting and taping of the stringers today. Pretty much scraped the EZ Fillet buckets clean this morning. More is on its way. Not much to show. Did get to seal the rest of the stringers and bulkheads with epoxy. Still have to do some final trimming of Bulkhead B before I can coat it.

Got the old Porter Cable router out and began to cut some grooves in the 2X4's that I was saving for floor cleats. Took awhile, but I think I have the process down for making the cleats.

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Ordered my fuel tank from Speedy Tanks today. WIth the internal baffles the tank will have a 36 Gallon Capacity. Also ordered Fuel hose and clamps, and all the stuff needed for installation.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:08 am
by Browndog
Used just about every scrap piece of 12 oz cloth that I had to put a second reinforcement layer of cloth in the area where the gas tank will be this morning. Also used up the very last of the EZ Fillet to finish the inside of the stringers in the fuel tank area as well.

Should get more epoxy and EZ fillet delivered soon. My goal is to have all of the stringers and bulkheads up to Bulkhead C filleted and taped by the end of the week.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:16 am
by Jeff
Browndog, just saw your post and checked UPS. Your order is on the truck to be delivered today!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 12:02 pm
by Chuck H
Browndog,

Have you checked to see how well your cnc sole panels will fit after raising them an inch? You may end up with really large gaps around the sides.

Your boat looks great so far.

Chuck

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:43 pm
by TomW1
Browndog how much did you raise the stringers and frames by with your 2x4'x routed out, it looks like 3/4". If so you will definitely have to cut the decks wider as ChuchH said. Measure at each frame and add that amount to the plans. It also raises the vertical center of gravity, but also helps with the drainage out the stern depending how you set it up.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 5:28 pm
by Aripeka Angler
No, he can use the decking he already has.
A 1-2" rip of ply down the center is all that is required. If the decking is not joined down the center, cut the plywood into two pcs. and add the strip. Tape the joint underneath with 12 oz. biaxial tape.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:52 pm
by Eric1
I would rip the center. Much easier than try to match curves.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:25 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2017 6:52 pm I would rip the center. Much easier than try to match curves.
I agree.
I'm not familiar with the nesting of the fs19 though. If the deck is joined with joints that run port to starboard then the panels may have to be cut down the center to add the patch.
TomW1 wrote: Tue Jul 25, 2017 3:43 pm Browndog how much did you raise the stringers and frames by with your 2x4'x routed out, it looks like 3/4". If so you will definitely have to cut the decks wider as ChuchH said. Measure at each frame and add that amount to the plans. It also raises the vertical center of gravity.

Tom
Tom, you won't notice an extra inch of sole height in a boat of this size.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 7:37 pm
by Browndog
Thanks guys for the heads up on the sole sizing issue. I thought there might be a gap, but have not checked yet to see how much of a gap that will be. Thanks also for the idea of a solution by inserting a filler piece in the middle if necessary.

The groove cut in the 2 X 4s is only 1/2" deep, so the sole should be raised an inch. Raising the sole does make putting the fuel tank below the deck a lot easier. Very little space under the sole as designed and with 2 3/4" recommended clearance above the tank for fittings it doesn't leave much room for the tank itself unless you make it very long and skinny which means repositioning more than one bulkhead. I plan on trimming the cleats around the fuel tank area flush with the stringers on the fuel tank side so if the tank ever needed to be replaced it would be a little easier just to cut through the sole. Thinking of adding some cross bracing above the tank which will double as potential backing plates for the installation of the leaning post.

The cockpit is pretty deep as designed, so giving up an inch doesn't really take away much freeboard. Was hoping that the drainage would also be improved as noted.

Will definitely be ordering several additional sheets of plywood anyways in order to build a console. The console CNC kit that I already have is in retrospect very small for this boat. That plywood will be repurposed as well either for the new console design or some other projects for the boat. Will also need some plywood for the rear casting deck/livewell/baitwell area. Considering also putting a floor under the front casting deck in between bulkheads B and A which would allow that area below the added floor to be foamed in and provide a flat surface for the storage area that I'm planning there. Will also need an above sole bulkhead above Bulkhead A for an anchor locker and a floor for the anchor locker as well. The area below the anchor locker floor will also get foamed in. That should provide for positive upright flotation according to the builder's notes.

By the way, moving the front casting deck forward by 16" still results in an area roughly 5ft long and I think 6 or more feet wide. That is as large as the casting deck in my 18 foot flats skiff and should be more than enough for my brother since he is not likely to use that front casting deck as much for the type of fishing he intends to do.

It is a very exciting time in the build. Lots of planning to do. I'll be adding rigging tubes on both sides going to the stern and on both sides to the bow. Probably others as well. Will be picking up the conduit on Thursday.

Starting to plan the switch panel and dash area too.

Sometimes I find myself spending long moments just staring at the boat as I ponder where everything is going and what steps need to be done and in what order.

Your help and support is very much appreciated.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:09 pm
by Chuck H
Gaps are good., But big ones get expensive.

You must have a really good brother, Browndog. Either that or he knows something you really don't want to get out.

Chuck

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:52 pm
by Browndog
My brother has been dreaming about having his own boat since we were kids. I've been blessed to have had several boats so far, but my brother wasn't able to realize his dream yet. He's been saving for a long time and it is my pleasure to be building a boat for him that will finally fulfill his dream. The name he chose for the boat is "Patience".

We talk everyday on the phone and get together often. It is really fun to give him a daily update.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 12:46 am
by Fuzz
That is a really nice story. And only those of us who have built a boat can truly appreciate what this gift means. You are a good man for doing something like that.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 9:38 am
by pee wee
When you pick up your conduit materials, don't forget that the electrical sweeps make for an easier to pull bend than the regular pvc 90's.

Looking good, I'm enjoying this part of your build, too!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2017 5:48 pm
by Browndog
Thanks Pee Wee, yes I plan on getting the electical PVC Conduit.

Continued filleting and taping the stringers and bulkheads this morning since I got my shipment of EZ Fillet and Epoxy yesterday afternoon. Thanks Jeff for the speedy shipment!

All of the stringers and bulkheads from the Transom to Bulkhead D are now taped and one part of the C Bulkhead is done as well. Tomorrow I hope to finish the stringers between the D and C Bulkhead and the rest of the C Bulkhead.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:25 am
by Browndog
Filleted and taped stringers and bulkheads again this morning. Got through bulkhead C.

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Taking my wife to the doctors this afternoon for a procedure and hope to pick up the PVC Pipe, 2 X 4s, 1 X 1's and a few other things after her appointment.

WIll try to finish filleting and taping the stringers between Bulkhead C & Bulkhead B tomorrow morning. Have to do a little work on Bulkhead B before filleting and taping it in.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:35 am
by pee wee
So describe how you're doing this- I assume that with the size of the FS19 you have no choice but to get in the hull to do the work- squatting down and trying not to step or kneel in fresh epoxy? Do you lay some ply over the stringers to work from? What have you found to be the least awkward way to do this part?
Your glass work looks good, by the way.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:54 am
by Browndog
Hank,

It is exactly as you describe. Squatting and kneeling inside the hull. Cut the tape to size first. Then, working as fast as you can so the filleting material doesn't set-up on you prematurely. Mixing a couple of cups worth of epoxy to wet out the tape.

When you run out of epoxy or filleting compound you climb out and mix up some more real quick.

I've only gotten epoxy on myself a couple of times, trying to work too quick and not watching where I was stepping or getting dripped on from the brush or cup.

Not terribly difficult or complex, but tedious and time consuming. By myself I do the fillet, do one layer of tape, then come back and do another layer of tape offset from the first. Having a helper to mix up epoxy or filleting compound would allow you to do more and do it faster.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:50 pm
by Browndog
Look what was delivered today!

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The 45 Qt cooler from Fatboy Coolers fits like a glove under the leaning post. The roomy 75 Wt cooler is perfect for in front of the console.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 2:25 pm
by Jeff
Very Nice Browndog!! Gotta keep the beer cold!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jul 27, 2017 4:37 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, just by the way, they make nice cooler holders/drawers to move and hold your cooler in place under the leaning post!! It could be a nice option on your boat!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:34 am
by Browndog
Got the last piece of the stringers in place this morning from Bulkhead C up to Bulkhead B. Will trim the excess glass later when everything hardens. Will do some final dry fitting of Bulkhead B tomorrow and then will fillet and tape that into place too.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:48 am
by jacquesmm
It looks good.
Yes, at that time some fine tuning is required for the frames to go over the fiberglass layers, especially in the corners.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 10:10 am
by Eric1
Browndog that looks great! You are build a nice boat. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 11:53 am
by BB Sig
That's a great color! I think your brother is going to love the boat.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:23 pm
by Browndog
Did some clean up work on the boat and in the garage this morning. Cut tapes to length for Bulkhead B. Trimmed excess fiberglass tape from the stringers. Sanded the edges of Bulkhead B to make it fit a little better. Cut some more grooves in a couple of 2 X 4s and vacuumed up a bunch of wood chips and sawdust that had been accumulating. Then ran out of time before I had to leave the house to go play golf. After golf I got back to the boat and filleted and taped Bulkhead B in place.

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Will tackle Bulkhead A tomorrow and hope to begin installing some floor cleats and rigging tubes.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:39 pm
by Browndog
This morning I got Bulkhead A positioned and held in place ready for filleting and taping. Also did a bunch of routing and sawing of 2 X 4s for floor cleats and got all of the stringers and under floor bulkheads fitted.

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Will take a break for lunch, cool down, change my shirt and get back at it this afternoon.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:20 pm
by Browndog
Got Bulkhead A filleted and taped in place. Used the extra epoxy to start coating the cleats.

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My brother is coming to visit this week and help out with the boat and do some fishing. I was hoping to be able to test fit the sole with him here and check out the layout that we have planned.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:33 pm
by Jeff
Really nice work Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:06 pm
by Browndog
Thanks Jeff.

Got busy this morning cutting holes in stringers and bulkheads so I could run some rigging tubes. My hole saws are part of a cheap set from Harbor Freight. They are doing the job, but pretty slow.

Right now I have two 1 1/2" tubes going forward, one to port and one to starboard. The one going furthest forward is for a possible future trolling motor. The one on the right is for the rubrail mounted NAV lights that I will be installing.

Heading aft there are two 2" tubes, again one going to the aft port corner for throttle and steering and one going to the aft starboard corner to the battery compartment for electrical. I know I will have to do something for the fuel lines and the fuel gauge wire, but was going to wait until the fuel tank got here before doing anything for the fuel system.

Is this enough for rigging or should I add more?

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:13 pm
by Eric1
I can't answer your question but that is looking nice! I can't wait until I'm at that point of the build.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 8:30 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Are you going with hydraulic steering? If so, 2" is plenty big.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:21 am
by Browndog
Yes, will be installing the Baystar Hydraulic steering system to complement the Yamaha F115 motor that will go on the boat.

I already have the materials for another couple of tubes going to the rear, so will put em in. Better to have too many than not enough is what I've heard on the forum before. Just having such a hard time with the hole saw, that I was questioning the original plan.

Will keep at it this morning. Thanks.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 11:35 am
by Browndog
Put another rigging tube in this morning. Will do another tomorrow. Also started measuring and cutting 1 x 1 material for floor cleats and coating them with epoxy.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:11 pm
by Browndog
Got all of the rigging tubes in place now. Sealed all the holes with epoxy and continuing to coat floor cleats with epoxy. Glued a few floor cleats in place as well.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:22 pm
by pee wee
Looks like you're getting you money's worth out of that hole saw!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:09 pm
by Browndog
Yes, $9.99 for the 18 piece Carbon Steel Hole Saw set at Harbor Freight. The blades get dull pretty quickly cutting through the epoxy and fiberglass and it takes a while to cut the holes. The cordless drill batteries run out before the hole is finished. Have had to fix some pieces twice, but for ten bucks I would definitely say I've gotten my money's worth.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:48 pm
by Jeff
Good deal Browndog, I think you got your money's worth!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:46 pm
by Browndog
Got the rigging tubes all glued together with pipe adhesive and glued the floor cleats in place with Gel Magic. Using a tube of Gel Magic in a caulking gun to apply a bead of glue to the floor cleats was the easiest and quickest thing I've done with the boat lately.

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The weights are being used to hold things in place and leveling some of the joints out. There are some gaps that I'll have to come back and fill with some EZ Fillet putty. Other than the routing time, all in all I'd say the 2 X4 method of floor cleats has been way easier than the alternative 1 X 1 method with hot melt glue and Gel Magic.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:10 pm
by Jeff
Nice work Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:14 pm
by Browndog
Started dry fitting the sole this morning. Made a cutout for the rigging tubes under the console. Will need to do some trimming on a few of the pieces. There were some questions as to how raising the sole by an inch would affect the gap between the hull and the sole. The widest gap between the sides of the sole and the hull is about 1/2" on each side in spots. The gap is not uniform and narrows down as you move forward. I think I will eventually tackle the gap with EZ Fillet, instead of trying to cut a thin filler strip. Dry fitted the floors for the aft compartments too.

Will be working on trimming down Bulkhead C later today and tomorrow when my brother gets here.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:32 pm
by Aripeka Angler
It's great that the sole worked out! 8) It looks perfect to me.
I remember glassing around the chase pipes in my XF20, it was a bit of a pain.
I kinda brought the cloth up the pipes an inch of so to keep wash water from running down around them.
Gave some thought to putting a 3/4" thick doughnut around them but I didn't do it.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:00 pm
by jacquesmm
For the sole included in the kits: you have to check the flare of the sides during the assembly. The sides tend to flare out especially in the middle and some have used straps, others small spreaders at the sheer line. You did a good job, 1/2" gap there is fine.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:43 pm
by Browndog
My brother and I got a lot done this afternoon in the boat. We got the above deck Bulkhead C trimmed up and dry fitted. We got most of the front casting deck in place. There is a gap between two panels that I will need to fill with a spacer. Must of measured something wrong. I know when I glued in the kerfed supports on the hull side I got them in the wrong place, too low, so there will need to be some "reengineering" :D. Also discovered that the anchor locker is not going to be deep enough to store the anchor vertically, so I will sink a tube down below the floor that the anchor shank can be placed into. Very excited about fabricating that. It wil be a good fix.

We put the leaning post into the boat and the coolers and some cardboard boxes to approximate the console and learned some things that my drawings and layouts couldn't have foretold. We've decided to add more space in front of the livewell bulkhead, cut out some space between the leaning post and the console, make the console narrower and less deep and add some space in front of the cooler in front of the console and shorten the front casting desk some more. The front casting deck is still over 4 feet long after shortening it by over two feet.

With the sole raised an inch and everything in place it really has a bay boat vibe. Very roomy, lots of storage and good amount of space to move around. The cockpit coaming will come up to my brother's knees. Even on the casting decks you feel like you are in the boat as opposed to on the boat like in my flats skiff.

Some pics of my brother in the boat:

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:24 am
by Eric1
Nice! That is looking like a perfect bay boat! 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:27 am
by pee wee
Looking good! Your brother looks like he might not want to get out of that seat, but I think he needs a throttle and wheel to complete the picture.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:23 am
by Browndog
Hank,

Right after the picture of my brother was taken, we cracked open the bottle of whiskey you gave me. Very nice! Then I cooked up some of the scallops that we caught last month in Crystal River, FL.

This morning we got back at it and I cut the bulkhead for the livewell compartment/rear casting deck and also a piece for the top of that compartment. They are not trimmed to size yet. Cut out an anchor locker bulkhead also. It still needs some final trimming. Got the front casting deck sorted out and dryfitted. We are mocking up the console out of cardboard tomorrow.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:33 pm
by cape_fisherman
Moving ahead...youre gonna be there before you know it!

Don't want to be critical...so please don't take it in that regard...but there are some pretty wide gaps on the cuts made above the sole (and some on the sole). How are you measuring? Are you making templates?

Just trying to get an idea of your process so that someone can help.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:06 pm
by Browndog
Cape fisherman,

Thank you for your concern. Many of the panels are not trimmed to size, so they are in the boat just to get an idea for the layout. Some of the panels are actually oversized and that is creating the appearance of a gap because they don't fit in place at all at the moment.

The front casting deck has a gap that needs to be fixed with a filler panel and some of the floor cleats were put in the wrong place and need to be fixed.

I'm not as far along as the pictures look. But my brother was able to visit and I wanted his help on the layout so we put stuff in the boat temporarily that we will need to take back out.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 12:25 am
by cape_fisherman
Sounds awesome...your brother is one lucky man!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:06 am
by Jeff
I agree, your brother is going to get a GREAT boat!!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:49 am
by Browndog
We mocked up the console out of cardboard and put it into the boat. Got lots of measurements for where everything will go such as steering wheel, radios, gauges, switches, cup holders, gps, etc. Looks good with the console.


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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:52 am
by Eric1
Very nice! Build on! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 8:26 am
by pee wee
That photo makes it look like the console is offset to port, if it's really centered there is a generous amount of deck space around it. Is a T-top in the plans?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:37 pm
by Browndog
Hank,

The console is centered. There is lots of space to walk around. There will be rod holders though on each side of the console that will add 3 1/2 inches to each side. It is hard to see, but the console is slightly tapered from bottom to top and from front to back. The Gunwales will come in 8" from the sheer line in the picture, but the coaming will be almost exactly above the chine, so it should not intrude on deck space.

No plans for a t-top right now. We will be adding a windshield and grab rail to the console though. My brother may add a Bimini Top later on, perhaps.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:32 pm
by glossieblack
Mock ups to get dimensions and aesthetics right is the way to go. 8) :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:40 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, very well done!! Looks like your brother was a real help across the weekend!! Let me know if you plan a trip down our way!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:44 am
by Browndog
Getting ready to go on a family vacation to our cabin in Northwest Wisconsin tomorrow for a few weeks. Wanted to get a little bit more done on the boat before I left.

Yesterday I cut out a couple of pieces of 6mm plywood to make a floor for the underdeck storage area in the front casting deck between Bulkheads B and A. Joined them together on the backside with a fiberglass splice using 12 oz biaxial cloth. Wanted to stiffen the floor to try and prevent it from deflecting under the weight of whatever my brother decides to put in the storage compartment so I cut strips of 6mm Plywood and glued them to the underside with Gel Magic. I coated the underside with Epoxy after everything was glued in place. This floor will most likely be fiberglassed in place with tape around its perimeter and then covered with lightweight fiberglass cloth to make the surface more durable. I will be foaming in the area underneath the floor as well.

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When I get back home I will similarly reinforce selected areas under the sole to stiffen the deck as well. Hatch locations will get reinforced with 2 X 4's in order to rout gutters.

The fuel tank is supposed to arrive today. Will post pictures later today if it shows up. Otherwise it will be waiting for me when I get back.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:51 am
by Jeff
Have a good vacation Browndog!! I hear the weather is perfect up there!! It was described as almost Fall like weather!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:15 pm
by BB Sig
I don't think you need stiffeners if you have foam all the way to the top of the cleats and stringers. The foam would act as your stiffener. The sole on the FS13 is 4mm but with the foam behind it, it will be solid. The only place it would need a backing is if you were installing a fastener. Of course extra never hurts unless you are worried about weight. :wink:

The boat is looking great! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:05 pm
by jacquesmm
No need for extra stiffeners. Wherever somebody can walk (= sole), there are numerous stiffeners, the cleats along the framing. Look at the sole framing drawing.
What you are working on is a small sole (floor, bottom) in the forepeak, under the deck. Nobody can walk there. You will have a few life jackets and maybe an anchor and chain. I would not put a sole there but if you want one, a 6mm panel is sufficient.
If you plan to have a heavy battery for a trolling motor, pour foam under that sole, it will be very stiff and also provide buoyancy.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:59 am
by Browndog
Thank you for the confirmation on stiffness of the storage hatch floor. Having never used the buoyancy foam before, I was unsure of how much support or stiffness the 2 lb foam would provide to the overhead deck sections.

There are a few areas of the sole that I will still add some support to. Especially those area areas that will not have foam underneath such as the area that spans the gas tank where the underdeck bulkhead was removed that I want to reinforce to both support the deck and to act as a backing plate for the leaning post attachment points. I plan on also reinforcing the area under the livewell and baitwell as that area will also act as a seating area and with the possibility of a couple people and lots of water weight will be suppporting quite a bit of weight.

It is amazing how much the thin strips of plywood stiffened up the panel. I got the idea from the hatches that Woulter made for his Phantom 18.



The fuel tank never arrived yesterday. It is supposed to arrive today, but I will be gone, so I guess it will sit on my porch for a while before I get back.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 3:00 pm
by TomW1
Browndog don't know if you have been following Wouter's PH18 build but he reinforced his hatches with an x shaped design. This would work fine for your battery hatch. If you are really concerned about long stretches of weakness put in a half frame in that area. I think it would be less complicated than what you are trying to do. Though with double coating each side of the plywood with fiberglass you should not have any soft spots. The other thing you can do is fill the areas that don't have foam listed with foam. No big deal.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 12:03 pm
by Browndog
Thanks Tom for the suggestions.

I got the idea for the stiffeners from the golf club manufacturer Ping G driver's "dragonfly" inspired shape.

The gas tank arrived at the house yesterday after I was gone. A friend made sure it was out of sight and under roof as we have been getting lots of rain. Apparently 4 inches of rain in two hours yesterday according to the next door neighbor.

Driving cross country has given me lots of time to think about the boat build and watch YouTube videos about seacock installations and wiring LED lights.

The air conditioning in my wife's car went out yesterday so we have to get that looked at while visiting with the in laws this weekend. Having both kayaks on the roof complicates things a bit.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 3:49 pm
by TomW1
Sorry to hear about your A/C going out, been there a1000 miles from home. At least it is fairly cool from KY north. Have a great vacation.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:51 am
by Browndog
Been enjoying some nice family time at our cabin on Lac Courte Oreille, near Hayward, WI.

Since I can't work on the boat I've been drawing up plans and doing some retail therapy. Ordered a couple of router bits to help create the hatch gutters and a couple rolls of neoprene foam tape for hatch seals.

Decided to only put gutters around hatches used for dry storage. Don't think I'll be adding gutters to the anchor locker, live well and baitwell or bilge compartment hatch. Should simplify things and save me some time on the construction.

Got another week and a half before I get home. Looking forward to getting the fuel tank in place.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:41 am
by Eric1
Enjoy the time off! Look forward to you picking the build back up. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:18 am
by Browndog
We've been using the kayaks a lot up here. Not sure if I ever posted any pictures of them. Mine is 17 ft. My wife's is 14 1/2 ft. Very light and stable in the water.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:40 pm
by Jeff
Beautiful Browndog, really nice work!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:54 pm
by David516
Those are beautiful.
Very neat work!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:09 pm
by TomW1
Very nice BD. That looks like a fish keeping pond behind them, is it?

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:58 pm
by Browndog
Tom,

It is a golf course pond. The picture was taken right after I finished building my kayak a couple years ago. We launched it in the pond just in case there was any trouble and we had quite a crowd eager to see the kayaks as they had followed their being built on my Facebook page.

We are going to the Upper Great Lakes canoe assembly tomorrow being held at the canoe heritage museum in Spooner, WI. Wish I had brought my canoe. We will probably take the kayaks with us.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:39 pm
by blueflood
Really beautiful browndog 8)
That is another future project. I found a nice design from Pygmy Kayaks when i get bored. Always wanted to build one !

Marc

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:24 pm
by Browndog
Marc,

Both kayaks are kits from Pygmy. The Pinguino 145 and the Borealis are the specific models.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:50 am
by blueflood
Hi Browndog, cool 8) 8)

The Pinguino 13, very sweet lines - all their models have actually. You finished those two with style !

Marc

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:05 pm
by Browndog
Went to Shell Lake, WI today with my wife to attend some lectures in canoe building as part of the Upper Great Lakes canoe assembly. Really enjoyed the birch bark canoe building demonstration. There was a park full of classic wood and canvas canoes despite the rain today.


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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:29 pm
by TomW1
Cool!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:03 pm
by snook
great build, the documentation is appreciated. those kayaks are tight.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:42 pm
by Browndog
Thanks Snook. I'll be getting home and back to work on the boat by the end of the week. Looking forward to making some progress again on the project. Been making lists of next steps while I've been gone, so hopefully will be very focused when I get back.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:42 pm
by Browndog
Got home after midnight last night. We drove all day through the remnants of Hurricane Harvey as we crossed Kentucky, Tennessee and Georgia. Lots of rain slowed us down as it contributed to several accidents contributing to delays. Lots of rain here at home in my absence. Dealing with some leaks and subsequent mold issues in my truck, garage and house. Just pain in the a$$ kind of stuff.

Got the fuel tank unpacked and in the boat. Have to get some more 3M 5200 to install the neoprene strips on the bottom of the tank before going any further.

Also started fabricating the anchor locker anchor storage system. Trying to copy something I've seen in some production boats. Imagine a 3" PVC pipe standing upright with two grooves cut on either side for the anchor flukes. The anchor stem and chain are placed into the tube. The rest of the rode fills the anchor locker cavity. The PVC tube's end is filled with a plug of epoxy thickened with wood flour so no water drains into the cavity below the sole. The pipe is held in place by two fiberglass reinforced plywood brackets that will be glued, filleted and taped to Bulkhead A. The whole assembly then foamed into place under the sole of the anchor locker with just the pipe sticking above the sole. As I get the parts fabricated I will post some pictures.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:27 pm
by Eric1
Look forward to them. :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:49 am
by Browndog
Got the anchor storage tube brackets finished and glued everything up this morning.

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The tube and the brackets with a glue cleat

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The tube dryfitted with the brackets

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With the anchor and chain in place

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Gluing it in place with hot melt glue and Glue Magic. Using a couple of clamps and a board to exert pressure on the brackets to keep everything tight until the epoxy sets up.

When everything sets up I will put a fillet underneath of the top bracket and add some fiberglass tape and then do the same to the topside of the lower bracket just for my own comfort. Then I get to play with foam!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 11:23 am
by Eric1
Nice setup Browndog. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:34 pm
by pee wee
I'm curious about that anchor holder business- won't the tube end up filling with water up to the notches? Will the shank of the anchor will spend most of its time sitting in a little bucket of salt water or am I missing something? It does look like a nice way to neaten/organize the anchor locker, just trying to understand the details.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 1:55 pm
by Jaysen
To me it looks like it will drain into the forward compartment. The tube is flat but the hull is shallow V. I could be misinterpreting the photo though.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:26 pm
by David516
That anchor holder is ingenius!!!!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:21 am
by glossieblack
Nice detail. 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:24 am
by Browndog
Hank,

Good question. Yes, the tube could hold water that would drip off the anchor shank or chain. The end of the tube has been closed with epoxy thickened with wood flour. The compartment underneath the anchor locker sole will be filled with two part foam. I'm trying to figure out whether to make the tube removable so water could be dumped out or just leave it fixed and use a sponge on a stick if there was ever a significant amount of water.

The floor of the anchor locker will be lined with some kind of tile like Dri Dek and a through hull fitting will dump any water from the anchor locker overboard.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:12 am
by Jaysen
I'd drill a hole in the bulkhead/frame and one in the tube. Run a small pvc tube connecting them. Then fill that front area with foam. Might as well take the time to make it self draining and save the headache for something important.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:22 pm
by Browndog
Good idea Jaysen.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:21 pm
by Jaysen
Thanks browndog!

That was my solution when I was planning to but the mast step in the forward seat on Lil Bit. And I stole that idea from a "wet locker" on the Shannon 34.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:33 pm
by Browndog
A quick picture of the fuel tank laying in the boat before installation. It is leaning on top of the E bulkhead so I can move it without help.

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Also, played around with some foam today. Will have to trim the tops of some of the compartments to put the sole down.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:00 pm
by BB Sig
Looks good. If you don't have to trim the tops, they aren't filled! :lol:

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:18 pm
by Eric1
Very nice Browndog!! Carry on!! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:20 am
by TomW1
quote
[Also, played around with some foam today. Will have to trim the tops of some of the compartments to put the sole down.] quote

Browndog just throw the cut off pieces in another compartment and cover them with wet foam. Your sole will feel better if the compartment are full.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 12:36 pm
by Browndog
Trimmed the tops off of the foam in the first few compartments, put them into the next compartments and then filled a few more compartments with foam.

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Will do some more trimming probably tomorrow. Keeping my mind off the approaching storm. Looks like it is heading west, so we are staying put despite the evacuation order for our county.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:36 pm
by pee wee
That's the tough thing when you consider evacuating- you'd have to head north, no good going west or south. They are still predicting hurricane force winds for Glynn county, probably the same in Mackintosh where you are. I doubt we'll get much storm surge, despite the warnings.

Take care, and hope we all stay safe.

What's going on with those strips of wood at the hull side of the compartments- are those going to become cleats? Looking good and making progress.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 1:59 pm
by Browndog
Hank,

Yes, those strips of wood are going to be cleats, just using them to gauge the height of the foam.

We are having a real high tide here today because of strong North East winds from the high pressure system we've had this week. The high pressure system is what has kept the Hurricane South and West of us so far. Everything around here has been canceled or closed, so it is a good time to work on the boat.

We are going to take a short canoe ride to take advantage of the high tide.

Luckily this week has been very dry and has allowed the ground to drain quite a bit. Last Saturday there was standing water everywhere because of all the rain down here. We will get a lot more rain and strong winds, but since things dried out, maybe not as bad as it could have been with regards to trees getting blown over.

Still keeping an eye on things. Will make a decision tomorrow or Monday about leaving or not.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:34 pm
by Browndog
Well didn't take the canoe ride because it started raining a little bit and the wind was blowing harder than we thought, so I went back into the garage and did some more work on the boat.

Been a little nervous about putting the hardware on the boat, so I decided to tackle a couple things. Installed the flush mount fuel vent in the side of the hull and drilled out the transom for the drain plug.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:21 pm
by Eric1
Good work Bro!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:24 am
by Browndog
Some tasty boat bling installed this morning. Rear Lifting rings.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:23 pm
by Jeff
Nice Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:12 pm
by Browndog
Installed a copper drain tube and plug today and a bunch of other little projects on the boat. Raining lightly here all day. Higher tides than usual, because of hurricane Jose apparently. Not Irma. We watched two movies, had a great dinner and have been enjoying a quiet evening at home.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:18 pm
by snook
Browndog wrote: Sat Sep 09, 2017 4:34 pm "Installed the flush mount fuel vent."
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I know this picture is for the fuel vent, which is slick. but, man, that finish is so nice.
I feel like I can see myself in it. Im sure I wasn't there though :lol:

congrats Browndog.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:54 pm
by Browndog
Been running a chain saw at the golf course for five hours each day the last two days. Will be back there again tomorrow. But wanted to get a little progress in on the boat too.

My wife helped me tonight to hold the gas tank upright while I put 3M 5200 on neoprene strips to glue to the bottom of the gas tank. Then once they were in place we dropped the tank into its hole to put pressure on the strips until the 5200 cures.

Looks good.

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Next I've got to drill a few holes for all the lines and wires before permanently installing the tank.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:36 am
by pee wee
That's a snug fit on the tank! Are you going to tie the tank to the hull, or is it good like it is?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:47 am
by Jeff
Nice fit Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:55 am
by Browndog
Hank,

Going to bed the neoprene strips to the hull with 5200 and then put some aluminum straps on top tied in to the stringers. It's a snug fit, so I don't think the tank can really shift or move. There will also be some deck bracing above the tank that will double as backing blocks for the leaning post install.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:01 am
by pee wee
Well thought out as usual. What size tank did you end up getting?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:27 pm
by Browndog
Hank,

The tank is 36 Gallons. It has internal baffles and also an internal vent system to allow for the vent to be placed in the same are as the fuel sender, ground, pick-up and fill. This means I only have to have one inspection port to access everything under the deck. I lost some volume due to the internal vent system and the baffles, but they are both necessary.

Regards,
Jordy

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:28 pm
by willg
Very nice tank install. I remember doing mine - really gratifying!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 10:29 am
by Browndog
Trimmed the tops off of the foam in the last compartments I did and put the pieces in the large compartment on the right next to the fuel tank and foamed that too. I only have three compartments yet to foam and about 1 gallon of two part foam left. So it'll be close.

Been working on the floor of the storage compartment in the bow, just behind the anchor locker. Got all of the glue cleats in place. Been dry fitting and doing final trimming of the floor piece. When I foamed in the compartment the rigging tubes shifted and the holes I had cut in the floor no longer matched, so it's taking a little longer to get this task done then I had hoped. Hopefully will be able to install the storage compartment floor tomorrow or the next day.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:02 pm
by Eric1
Looking great! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:40 pm
by Browndog
Thanks Eric.

Installed the trim tabs on the transom this morning.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:39 am
by Browndog
Finished putting the floor in the front storage area this morning. Filleted and fiberglassed.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:48 pm
by Eric1
Glad one of us is making progress. :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:59 pm
by justin_dwyer
Man you work really fast Browndog, nice work. The boat looks great!!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:19 pm
by fallguy1000
Really enjoyed looking over the last few pages of the build. I tried to find the fuel tank manufacturer, but missed it. I'm thinking I'm going Moeller Plastic. Seems like those are not fan favorites here. Good luck. If you ever plan to build a canoe, I have two book recommendations for you.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:45 pm
by Browndog
Fallguy1000,

The maker of the tank is Atlantic Coastal Welding which operates under the name SpeedyTank. They were good to work with.

Thanks for your offer of the canoe books. My boat project before this one was to build an Explorer 16 canoe from Dancing Waters. I posted an abbreviated build thread on the forum under the Anything Else tab.

Regards,
Jordy

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:47 pm
by Browndog
Did a bunch of shopping for the boat today. Exciting stuff like hoses and fasteners. Batteries and wood for more glue cleats. Also ordered the GPS/chart plotter/Sonar and transducer.

Still need to order some more fasteners and hose clamps.

Hope to get a bunch done the next few days.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:13 pm
by Eric1
What brand electronics did you go with?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 2:12 am
by TomW1
There are two standard brands used Teleflex and Faria. I had a batch of Faria's here and forgot to show them to you when you were up here. The latest technology is from the motor manufacturers and they provide a multi-gauge or two that does the same thing that all the numerous other gauges used to do plus a whole lot more. Things like mpg, average rpms, trip speed, trip mileage and other things. The Evinrude is called the ICON Touch. Suzuki calls it the Multi-function SMIS Gauge.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:06 am
by Browndog
Eric,

The GPS/Chartplotter is the new Raymarine Axiom 9 with Realvision 3D sonar and Realvision transducer. It has even more functionality as the ES98 that I put on my larger boat earlier this year and at about half the price! We are also putting in the Yamaha Commmandlink digital gauge, similar to what Tom was referencing. We are probably not going to link the motor to the Raymarine even though it is possible. The VHF radio is the Standard Horizon GX1700 which has its own GPS receiver for DSC calling. Nice to have the second GPS as a backup too.

Regards,
Jordy

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2017 9:21 am
by Browndog
Final fuel tank installation pictures.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:01 pm
by Browndog
Installed the 1st part of the sole this morning.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:07 am
by Browndog
Been busy this morning. Trying to pick up the pace this week. Filleted and taped in the above sole Bulkhead C. Also dry fitted the remaining sole pieces so that I can mark them for the Leaning post bolt hole locations. Dry fit the floors of the battery compartment and aft port storage compartment after cutting the tops off the flotation foam that had been previously poured.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:18 am
by Jeff
Nice work Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:11 pm
by Browndog
Got the floors fitted, filleted and taped in the rear battery storage compartment and port storage hatch.

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Also dry fitted the remaining two sole pieces in place.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:24 pm
by Eric1
Y'all got to be excited at this point! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:03 am
by Browndog
Dry fitted the scuppers in the transom for the cockpit drains. If you look carefully you can see the reflection on the transom of me squatting down to take the picture.

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Glued in the reinforcing strip under the first part of the sole.


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Also fabricated two backing blocks for the high speed water pickups and seacocks. Glued one in.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:02 pm
by Browndog
Glued in the second sole piece tonight. Will fillet and tape it in place in the morning.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:47 am
by pee wee
That's a great milestone when you get the sole down, nearly there! Boat is looking good, it will be nice to have a surface to stand on.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:10 pm
by David516
That is really great work so far. Looks very complex and very well done

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2017 8:17 pm
by Browndog
Been tidying things up and getting ready for the last sole piece to go in.

Applied fiberglass cloth to the floors of both aft storage compartments. Installed the scuppers with 3M 5200 after sealing the holes with epoxy. Installed two bonding wires to the fuel tank; one that will go to the fuel fill and the other to the negative bus bar in the console.

Fabricated four filler pieces to go between the deck and the hull in the area in front of and aft of Bulkhead C. There is a gap between the deck and the hull that is going to be filled with these pieces.

Got the backing blocks for the seacocks glued and filleted in place in the bilge area. Glued in 4 backing blocks for the screws that will secure the on board battery charger.

Been working on the last sole piece, cutting and countersinking holes for the cockpit drains and cutting the hole for the inspection plate over the fuel tank fittings.

I still need to cut holes through Bulkheads E & F and run the tubing from the scupper drains under the deck for the cockpit drains. But before I do anymore rigging in the bilge area I’ve decided to prime and paint that area, so I’ll be doing that before I install the last piece of the sole.

Once the bilge is painted I will probably start painting the interior of the aft hatches and the front storage areas.


Started to coat with epoxy tonight what will become the top of the livewell/baitwell/aft casting deck.

Earlier today I started dryfitting the casting deck in preparation for splicing the pieces together with fiberglass tape.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:18 am
by Eric1
Sounds like you have a good plan. Are you going to use a form of non skid?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:09 am
by Browndog
Eric,

Going to use Kiwi Grip for Nonskid on the sole and decks. Looking to put some type of grip-loc tiles in the anchor locker and forward storage compartments..

On Friday, my wife and I are going to visit her cousins in south Florida. On the way we are going to swing by the shop at Bateau where a package of plywood and epoxy awaits us. The plywood is enough to build a console, finish the aft storage lockers and get a good start on the gunwales.

I’ve been in contact with a. Company in Charleston, SC called New Wire Marine that builds custom Dash Panels and wiring harnesses. Once the console is built I will be back in touch with them to get everything put together for a real custom touch.

The following week while we are at the boat builder get together in Florida I’m going to stop at the surplus marine dealer down there and try to find a windshield and grab rails for the console. My plan is to build a front lift out bi-fold door and a rear tilt out drawer for the console patterned after some I’ve seen. Hopefully they have some at the surplus place so I can take a look and maybe make a few pictures while I’m there.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:16 am
by peter-curacao
Browndog wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:09 am
Looking to put some type of grip-loc tiles in the anchor locker and forward storage compartments..

Hi Browndog lot's of people use those for their (anchor) lockers, maybe something to look into?
https://www.amazon.com/Dri-Dek-Marine-S ... B07283PRYV

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:37 pm
by Browndog
Installed the filler panels between the hull and the deck around the B & C Bulkheads.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:03 pm
by Eric1
Nice!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:17 am
by Browndog
Got the casting deck spliced together this week and dryfitted in place.

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Also got the cutouts done for the last part of the sole. Inspection plate and deck drains. The deck drains are recessed for a flush fit.

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Going down to Bateau today to pick up the plywood and epoxy to build the console and rear casting deck.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:58 am
by Jeff
Browndog, See you this afternoon!! You guys drive safe!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:45 am
by pee wee
Looking good, great progress.

That's a long drive down to BBC from where you are, but I don't know of another place to get good plywood any closer. People tend to forget how long the state of Florida is- the distance from Atlanta to Miami is almost the distance to Chicago!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:19 am
by bateau-webmaster
Doing some nice work there! Shame I won't be in the office when you stop by.

I'll see you at the meet though!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:15 pm
by peter-curacao
peter-curacao wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:16 am
Browndog wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:09 am
Looking to put some type of grip-loc tiles in the anchor locker and forward storage compartments..

Hi Browndog lot's of people use those for their (anchor) lockers, maybe something to look into?
https://www.amazon.com/Dri-Dek-Marine-S ... B07283PRYV
Not usable????

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:42 pm
by Browndog
Peter,

Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, they would be usable. Haven't got around to ordering anything yet as I need to measure the area of the hatches first and I haven't done the hatches yet either.

Had a great visit with Jeff this afternoon. Picked up the plywood and some other stuff I needed. On Monday I will be building a console.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:03 pm
by peter-curacao
Browndog wrote: Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:42 pm Peter,Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, they would be usable. Haven't got around to ordering anything yet as I need to measure the area of the hatches first and I haven't done the hatches yet either.
Okay your'e very welcome, just posted it because earlier you told us you were looking for it, your boat is gonna look great I think! 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:49 am
by Browndog
Been busy this morning taking the new plywood that I picked up over the weekend and turning it into a console. All the pieces are measured and cut and I’ve begun to stitch and glue the console together.

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I also used the two guarts of flotation foam I purchased to finish foaming in the last compartment so that I could put the last piece of the sole in place and glue it down.

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I’ll tape it in place after lunch.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:09 pm
by peter-curacao
Browndog wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:49 am Been busy this morning taking the new plywood that I picked up over the weekend and turning it into a console. All the pieces are measured and cut and I’ve begun to stitch and glue the console together.
I’ll tape it in place after lunch.
Looking good, but isn't it easier to finish the CC (you know filleting rounding and taping corners) before taping it in place?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:59 pm
by Browndog
The last piece of the sole is getting taped in place today. The console and the boat both need more work done before they are ready to be put together.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 1:34 pm
by peter-curacao
Browndog wrote: Mon Oct 09, 2017 12:59 pm The last piece of the sole is getting taped in place today. The console and the boat both need more work done before they are ready to be put together.
Aha okay sorry I misunderstood :oops:

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:27 pm
by Browndog
Got the sole all filleted and taped. Also started to prime the aft compartments and the bilge with Silvertip Yacht Primer. Want to install some more stuff and thought I better start painting.

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Going to put another full day into the boat tomorrow. Hope to get the above Sole portion of the Livewell Bulkhead (Bulkhead E)
Installed, filleted and taped while continuing to work on the console. If I have time I will finish fiberglassing the floor of the front casting deck storage area between Bulkhead C & B.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2017 7:38 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, very nice to have met you and your spouse last Friday and I hope the trip down was good for you guys!! See you Friday!! Drive safe and really nice progress on the boat!! Look forward to seeing the kayaks you built! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 10:24 am
by Browndog
Looking forward to seeing everyone at the boat builder’s meet this week. It is motivating me to pick up the pace, so I’ve been working hard on the boat.

Removed most of the stitches from the console and started to fillet and tape the inside seams and coat the interior with epoxy.

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Also tacked the Livewell bulkhead/Bulkhead E/Rear Casting Deck bulkhead (not sure what to call it) in place with fillet material and have it propped in place with batteries. Once the fillets harden I’ll remove the batteries, finish the fillets and add fiberglass tape to lock everything in place.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:52 pm
by Browndog
All four of the long seams on the inside of the console have now been filleted and taped and the top seams have also been filleted and taped on the inside. Should be able to finish the rest of the inside of the console tomorrow.

The livewell bulkhead is also now filleted and taped in place.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:07 am
by Eric1
You really moving along! Looking good too!!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 7:40 pm
by Browndog
Finished the inside of the console this morning. Got all of the seams filleted and taped and all surfaces coated with epoxy.

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Started to fit the dividers for the livewell and baitwell and mock up the plumbing to figure out where everything will go. In the picture the baitwell is 20”L X 16” W X 10”D (10” to the top of the stand pipe, the compartment is 13 1/2” deep from bottom to deck). The livewell is 30” long. The compartment in between is 12” wide and the spaces on the side of the hull are roughly the width of the gunnels or thereabouts. I’m guessing the baitwell is about 12-13 gallons and the livewell is about 18-20 gallons.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:47 pm
by Browndog
This morning I finished doing all the plumbing for the livewell, baitwell, and washdown pump. Cut holes in the bulkheads for all the hoses and also cut holes for the battery charger remote plug in. In addition, I rounded all the seams on the outside of the console, filled any gaps and stitch holes and covered all the seams with fiberglass tape.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:22 pm
by Browndog
Got home from the boat builder get together and was inspired to get back to work on the boat. Put fiberglass cloth on the top and on the two dash panels of the console. Also glued in the dividers for the livewell and baitwell and tacked them in with fillets. In the morning I will fillet, tape and fiberglass the rest of the dividers and put fiberglass cloth on the sides of bulkheads to waterproof the livewelll and baitwell. Will also continue to put fiberglass cloth on the exterior of the console tomorrow.

Glad to be back to work.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:13 pm
by Eric1
Look forward to your pictures. :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:26 pm
by seaslug
Damn!! I'm impressed. Did you even unload the car when you got home before getting back to work? You may have the boat builder virus worse than the rest of us. Nice meeting you both this weekend, glad you made it home safe. Gorgeous kayaks also, thanks for bringing them along. Mike

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:56 am
by Eric1
Delete please

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:09 am
by Browndog
Got up early to work on the boat because I’m going to be going fishing this morning.

Got the livewell and baitwell dividers in and filleted and taped most of them. One more to do. Also got the front of the console covered in 6 oz fiberglass cloth.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:00 am
by willg
That's a lot of impressive work you've been putting in. It's amazing how many hundreds of steps big and small go into a boat build. Keep it up!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 10:51 am
by cape man
Was great to meet you both. Will start following this build more carefully. If it comes out even half as good as those kayaks she'll be a true head turner.

By the way...having shrimp for lunch today... :D :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 3:33 pm
by Capt UB
Browndog wrote: Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:36 am Thanks Jeff. Got two layers of 12 oz biaxial cloth on the transom this morning.

The batteries were just to hold the cloth in place as I wetted it out.


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Hello Browndog,

This is a great build to watch, thanks for posting so much. How heavy of a wet coat are you laying before laying down glass on the hull?
Thanks, Bob.

Are you the one who brought the two kayaks to the meetup? Learning names...!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:39 pm
by Browndog
Bob,

When wetting out the wood with epoxy before fiberglassing I usually use a roller and put a light coating on just to saturate the wood. Then roll more epoxy on the glass. I like to use a squeegee as well to remove excess epoxy and move the epoxy around.

Yes, I brought the two kayaks to the builder's meet and greet this past weekend.

Best wishes on your build.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:21 pm
by Capt UB
Browndog wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:39 pm Bob,

When wetting out the wood with epoxy before fiberglassing I usually use a roller and put a light coating on just to saturate the wood. Then roll more epoxy on the glass. I like to use a squeegee as well to remove excess epoxy and move the epoxy around.

Yes, I brought the two kayaks to the builder's meet and greet this past weekend.

Best wishes on your build.
Thank you, Bob.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 6:55 pm
by peter-curacao
Browndog wrote: Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:39 pm

Yes, I brought the two kayaks to the builder's meet and greet this past weekend.

Those from the pictures looked awesome very well done sir a beautiful pair of kayaks 8) 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:13 pm
by Browndog
Thanks Peter and Will for your kind words.

Went fishing today and my two friends and I caught 11 keeper Redfish and 8 keeper Sea Trout. Plus lots of short trout.

After I picked up my dog from the kennel, I went back to work on the boat and got another side of the console covered in fiberglass cloth. Finished filleting and taping the remaining livewell/baitwell dividers too.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:19 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, you are the man!!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:44 pm
by seaslug
I failed to compliment you on those beautiful kayaks, they're truly works of art. Great meeting you both, and I'm looking forward to following the rest of your build. Also , thanks for that massive pile of Georgia Shrimp. Mike

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:10 am
by Browndog
Applied a layer of fiberglass cloth to the inside of the livewell and to the back of the console.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2017 8:17 pm
by Browndog
Applied the last piece of cloth to the side of the console. I will wait for the epoxy to cure for a week or so before doing much sanding and fairing. The 6 oz cloth has pretty small weave, so I don’t think a whole lot will be required to fill the weave and smooth things out. Not sure what would be better, sand and fair before or after it is installed in the boat. Probably some combination of both.

Feel like my garage and the boat is accumulating lots of sanding dust despite my frequent vacuuming. Need to get out the leaf blower and open up the garage tomorrow.

Also have to pick up some supplies tomorrow. Brushes, sand paper disks, paint tray liners, rubber gloves, shop towels, 3/4” tubing for the boat plumbing.

Will also be looking at supplies to compare building a windshield vs. having one built.

Lots to do still.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:10 am
by poleposition
Pretty work, Browndog, and obviously well thought out.Lord knows I'm no expert on live wells / baitwells, but I was wondering if the corners on the wells should be rounded as it is my understanding this helps w/ circulation of the water and prevents the fish/bait from banging into the corners and hastening their demise ( ?? ). If this was covered earlier in the thread, please ignore.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:26 pm
by Browndog
Pole position,

Thanks for thinking of me and making a suggestion regarding the livewell & baitwell designs.

Rounded baitwells are nice for some species of bait fish. This baitwell is intended mostly for live shrimp. Live shrimp have different requirements including having something to hold onto because they are not the best swimmers. You want aeration but don’t need too much current. The livewell will hold legal sized gamefish and it does not need to be rounded to keep them alive. The livewell reduces the need for keeping everything on ice which is a big deal down by me because it gets real hot here and things spoil fast.

For those occasions when using mullet, mud minnows or pogies, we’ll just have to live with them getting bloody noses if kept awhile. Most of the frail baits end up beeing used as cut bait anyways. Mud minnows seem to thrive no matter what you put them in.

Both the livewell and the baitwell will have subsurface nozzles to create flow that will bounce off the side and back of the livewell and then return to the standpipe. At least that is the plan. The adjustable spray nozzle should provide some aeration benefit as well and allows some adjustability for flow since it is on a tee fitting with the current flow. More spray should mean less current. Less spray should mean more current.

To drain, just pull out the standpipe and it drains out the transom. Pretty simple. Not too much to go wrong.

There will be two high speed pickups on the bottom of the hull connected to seacocks and then to sea strainers before feeding separate livewell pumps. One of the pumps will also have water flowing to a raw water washdown pump to aid in keeping things clean while on the water.

Thanks again for following the build. Lots going on right now.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:46 pm
by TomW1
Browndog I've been away for nearly 6 weeks and Poleposition has a very good point. Why not round your corners? You say you will be using bait fish occasionally. No use killing them with square corners. Sure shrimp need something to hang on to hold on to. But other baits need other requirements. It really doesn't take much to round the corners. Just change out the lids when fishing shrimp vs. live bait.

Love what your doing with your FS19.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:17 pm
by Browndog
Tom,

Thanks for weighing in on the livewell. I’ll consider adjusting the livewells. They are not that far along.

In the meantime, I did some shopping for the boat today and picked up a piece of acrylic for a windshield. Made a template tonight out of cardboard.

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Now, I need to learn how to bend acrylic.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:55 pm
by poleposition
Browndog....thanks for the info---it certainly makes sense if shrimp are going to be the primary bait. As I stated above you've obviously put a lot of fore-thought in your build, so if you don't mind, Ive got a couple more questions:

Have you decided which aeration system / pumps you're going with?

Does the live well drain the same way as your bait tank? Also, In your experience, how long can a puppy drum last in that kind of system ( I know that's somewhat of a loaded question ). Here in NC we are allowed only 1 fish and it certainly would be nice if you could keep one /two alive to release after you inevitably catch a bigger one.

Again, congrats on a great build and look forward to following it to completion.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:13 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I like the windshield mockup. It fits the console shape very well.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:04 pm
by Browndog
The livewell and baitwell pumps are Bait Sentry 800 GPM pumps by Shurflo. These are heavy duty pumps with magnetic impellers. They are able to digest debris without failing. I'll take some pictures tomorrow of the whole setup.

The baitwell and livewell are plumbed the same way. 3/4" inlets and 1 1/8" outlets.

On my flats skiff I can keep fish in the livewell all day and they are still flopping when I pull into the driveway at my house. Culling fish would not be a problem.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:21 pm
by seaslug
Browndog wrote: Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:17 pm Tom,

Thanks for weighing in on the livewell. I’ll consider adjusting the livewells. They are not that far along.

In the meantime, I did some shopping for the boat today and picked up a piece of acrylic for a windshield. Made a template tonight out of cardboard.

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Now, I need to learn how to bend acrylic.
I'm sure there's a right way to bend Acrylic, but in 1984 I lost the poorly built fiberglass forward hatch off my sailboat when a gust of wind ripped it off its hinges forcing me to build a better one with Teak. It had required a pretty good bend to follow the curve of the cabin top, so I took my Teak frame and the piece of 1/2" /lexan to my buddy's pizza restaurant and heated them in the pizza oven, than we took it out of the oven and held it down tight to the frame with oven mitts on until it cooled. A lot of alcohol was necessary to get it just right.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:46 am
by fishgitr
Someone else on here just bent a piece to make a windshield. It turned out very good. If I can find it I'll post it.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:47 am
by fishgitr

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:55 am
by pee wee
To keep the main area of the windshield perfectly flat you don't want to heat the whole sheet, just the area you're bending. Heat slowly and as evenly as you can, a heat gun can produce more than enough heat to do the job.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:02 am
by MrPaul
There are a few videos on youtube that show people making acrylic boat windshields. They usually do it with a heat gun and bend it around a pipe. I'd find the video for you but I've got to catch a plane.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:46 pm
by peter-curacao
Yep just use a heat gun and don't point it to long on one place because that creates air bubbles, just wave over the bend area constantly

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:40 pm
by Browndog
Thanks everyone for the help. I’ve traced the template onto the acrylic and cut out the windshield shape. Also sanded all of the edges down to 220 grit and am preparing to flame treat all the edges to make them smooth. Then I plan on using a heat gun to make the bends. Will post updates as I go.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:43 pm
by peter-curacao
Maybe practice first on the cut offs?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:05 pm
by cape man
It's easier than you think. Have built three now. The shop had a heat strip to just heat the area of the bend, but have watched it done with a heat gun as well. Like most rigid materials it will want to bend along a straight line so just go for it. I sanded and flamed mine afterwards.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:38 am
by willg
Having just done this, I have the following tips. Use the lower part of the console as the bending mold, and do it low enough so that that whole length of the acrylic contacts the console. When the acrylic is soft enough it will roll right around the corner of the console. Set it up beforehand with some clear tape on the acrylic and on the console marked out with a sharpie so you can quickly index the acrylic to the middle of the console and keep the acrylic horizontal. Take it slow with the heat gun and expect to spend several minutes heating the acrylic. You can easily bubble up the acrylic if you go too fast. Have some tape in place on the console to help hold the acrylic in place when you're ready for the bend. You have to wear gloves! If you don't there'll be no way to keep your hands on the acrylic while the bend sets and things will get very unpleasant. The TAP plastics site says you need a MAP torch for the edge polishing, so hopefully that's what you have. Good luck!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:36 pm
by Browndog
Well, my first acrylic windshield is done. Not perfect, but pretty darn good for a first effort.

Some pictures:

Getting ready to practice a bend with a cutoff piece:
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The windshield ready for its first bend:
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The first bend:
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The finished windshield before drilling mounting holes:
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After drilling mounting holes:
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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:40 pm
by peter-curacao
Nicely done! Image

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:44 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, really well done!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:49 pm
by pee wee
That does look good! You have to wear a lot of hats to build a boat. 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:59 pm
by Eric1
I'll chime in also! You did good!! 8)

!

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 2:07 am
by TomW1
Wow keep up the good work :D

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:36 am
by poleposition
really well done----life will be good when you're able to "polish" the windshield w/ a little salt spray! ( God bless Rain-Ex )

What thickness is the acrylic?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:56 am
by Browndog
The acrylic is 1/4 " cast acrylic sheeting bought from Lee & Cates Glass co. An 18" X 44" piece cost $39 and change.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:04 pm
by willg
Browndog, looks great! Nicely done.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:25 pm
by TomW1
Very nicely done 8) 8) 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:38 pm
by Browndog
Thanks everyone.

My best friend’s daughter got married last night, so not much boat building today.

I did get to dryfit the livewell drain thruhulls after returning the last two sets of thruhulls because they weren’t long enough. These ones just barely fit.

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Also dry fitted the jack plate. I can already tell I will have to rework one side as it is a 1/4” high.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:57 pm
by peter-curacao
Browndog wrote: Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:38 pmI did get to dryfit the livewell drain thruhulls after returning the last two sets of thruhulls because they weren’t long enough. These ones just barely fit.
Why all under the waterline if I see correct that is?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2017 10:52 pm
by Browndog
The scuppers should be about at the designed water line. The livewell drains are below the water line as suggested by the livewell components supplier. I guess since they drain via gravity, perhaps having them lower helps. Not sure. My flats skiff is set-up the same way too.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 4:48 am
by cape man
You may have to redo both sides if the holes were parallel with each other and squared. Raising or lowering one side will screw the square and the motor mounts won't line up.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 5:59 pm
by Browndog
Finished covering the baitwell in fiberglass cloth this morning and took a trip up the coast to pick-up a “new to me” tow vehicle.

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Going to have to build something with a retro feel to go with it.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:40 pm
by cape man
I think I see the paint scheme for the FS19...

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:06 pm
by peter-curacao
cape man wrote: Sun Oct 22, 2017 6:40 pm I think I see the paint scheme for the FS19...
Yes and while you at it put some wood panels on the 4 side squares, make it a Woody 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:16 am
by TomW1
Looking good BD.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:03 pm
by Browndog
Submitted a request for quotation to New WIre Marine in Charleston, SC today for a fully wired custom dash & switch panel for my brother’s boat console today and was very impressed with their promptness, attention to detail, and just plain old being good people. Happy that the quote was pretty reasonable too. Should hear back from them tomorrow on some details I sent them tonight and then we can move ahead to the “proof” being made. This is one of those custom touches that I think will really take this build to the level that I want to deliver for my brother.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:27 pm
by Jeff
Really nice touch Browndog!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2017 8:51 pm
by Browndog
Finally got around to sanding the storage compartment underneath the front casting deck between the C & B bulkhead so that I could put fiberglass cloth on the floor. Got the fiberglassing done tonight too. Put the livewell drain thruhulls in the transom with 3M 5200. Also reworked the holes for the jack plate and got that sorted out. I won’t install the jack plate probably until I finish painting the motor well.

Going to be fishing tomorrow and golfing Thursday in a Fins and Skins event. Then Friday my Brother is coming for four days and we are going to work on the boat and hopefully fish every day he is here.

Looking forward to lots of progress on the boat through the weekend.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:16 pm
by Browndog
My brother arrived this afternoon and we went fishing for a little while. The fish are really biting this week. Beautiful weather and conditions were just right. Came back a little early to find my wife burning some brush and enjoying sitting around the fire. Cleaned the fish and got the grill hot. Had surf and turf. Fish and Beef Fillets. A little Caeser salad and some cheesy rice with broccoli. Yum Yum.

After dinner we went to the Man Cave and got to work on the boat. I had done some sanding and other prep work this morning on the deck before my Brother got here. So tonight we laid out some cloth and fiberglassed the front third of the cockpit deck. In the morning we’ll do a little more sanding and then hopefully tackle the next third of the deck before we go fishing.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:08 am
by Eric1
Sounds like fun! It's rainy in my neck of Dixie. Think I'll go do some boat work. :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:53 pm
by Jeff
Good stuff Browndog!! Update the photos when you guys finish the weekend of work!! Good luck fishing tomorrow!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2017 6:42 pm
by Browndog
Small craft advisory today. We tried fishing but it was so windy and rough that we came in and worked on the boat. I did catch a nice flounder though so we didn't get skunked.

Fabricated the toe kick for the console and got it installed on the console.

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Fabricated the pieces for the rigging tube cutout surround and glued, filleted and taped them in place after applying fiberglass cloth to that part of the cockpit deck.

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Finally we got most of the rest of the cockpit deck covered in fiberglass cloth, just a small section left.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:43 am
by Browndog
The console hatch cutouts were made and the console filleted and taped into place onto the cockpit sole:

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The rear of the cockpit deck had fiberglass cloth applied, finishing the cockpit area.

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We applied fiberglass cloth to the front casting deck also.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:24 pm
by silentneko
At this rate you'll be done before I get started.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:24 pm
by Browndog
My Brother headed back home this evening. We had a very productive 4 days. We caught & ate lots of fish. Caught and picked 4 dozen blue crabs. Worked on the boat a bunch too. Can’t wait for him and his family to come back at Thanksgiving.

Tonight I measured and cut the wood for the Rear casting deck. We completed 8 of the 9 tasks that I had on the to do list for this weekend. We probably could have gotten them all done, had I had a little less to drink on Saturday night. We didn’t work on the boat that night, but made up for it on Sunday and today.

The boat is really coming together now. I ordered the motor, throttle, gauges and all the rigging this past week as well. Will stop over there tomorrow and pay for everything.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:48 am
by Jeff
Looks good Browndog!! You and your brother are quite productive!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:05 am
by pee wee
Looking good, great progress! Your glass work looks good, nice and neat.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:57 am
by Browndog
Thanks Jeff, and Hank,

Got the motor well panel measured and cut this morning and also laid out all the hatches for the rear casting deck and motor well.

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Ran out of fiberglass cloth last night, will order some more this week along with some fiberglass tape. Need to take inventory to see what else I need to order.

Trying to keep the momentum going!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:03 pm
by peter-curacao
That looks awesome 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:32 pm
by Reid
Looking really good Browndog!!! I can't wait to see how those hatches turn out.

Reid

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:43 pm
by cape man
Nice!!!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:14 pm
by Jeff
As always, very well done Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:06 pm
by Eric1
Nice layout! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:04 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Looks great. I like the hatch layout you have, it's a great use of the space. Have you decided how your going to build the hatch covers yet, will they have seals in the lids or drains to take the water away?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:46 am
by Browndog
Thanks guys. Very exciting to be laying out hatches. But still so much to do when I think ahead.

My plan with the hatches is to cut out the lids after fiberglassing the top of the rear casting deck and motor well, then install either plywood lips underneath with foam tape or 2 X 4’s that will be routed with a core box bit to make a U shaped channel as a gutter.

The livewells and the bilge compartment will not get the gutter treatment. The battery box and aft storage compartment will get the gutters. The front casting deck storage areas will also get the gutters, but not the anchor locker.

The hatches on the console are being treated a little differently. On the bow side of the console will be a tilt out tackle box storage unit and on the aft facing side of the console a bifold door will be built.

Lots of detail work ahead, that will slow things down a bit. Plus there will be MUCHO sanding and fairing to do, along with priming and painting.

Need to cut out the gunwales and make supports with rod holders for under the gunwales. After the Front casting deck is installed, I will put in the anchor locker bulkhead and then build the foredeck.

Once all that stuff is in place I will fiberglass the gunwales with cloth that overlaps the laminated rub rail, paint the rub rails and then install a continuous rigid PVC rubrail with an added stainless steel insert on top and then put the NAV lights into the rub rail.

Having fun though and the project is looking more and more like a boat, than a collection of parts.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:53 am
by willg
Looking good, Browndog. Those hatches will serve you well.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:24 pm
by Browndog
Got the front casting deck all trimmed up, hatches cut out and some light sanding.

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The rear casting deck got spliced together with 12 oz. biaxial cloth. Used the leftover epoxy to coat the glue cleats for the motor well. Used some leftover fillet material to fill some gaps on the back of the hatch cutout to repair some damage that my brother did inadvertently to it with some exuberant sanding.

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I also drilled mounting holes for the swimstep in the transom and drilled holes for all of the hardware to be installed on the swim step. Still have to paint and prime it, so no picture just yet.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:30 pm
by Browndog
Ordered some fiberglass cloth, tape and other stuff. So, I decided to begin cutting out pieces of wood for under hatch gutters.

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Fabricated a couple of pieces to be used as fiddle rails for the top of the console, and wanted to see how they would work with the compass. That led to a whole morning of cutting out mounting holes, and drilling screw holes for different things and then dry fitting everything to see how they look. I’ll have to remove everything, seal all of the holes and cutouts with epoxy and then sand, fair, sand, prime and paint the console.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:36 am
by poleposition
Probably a stupid question, but have you got enough clearance for the rods to get by your grab rails on the console?....

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:11 am
by Browndog
Good question about the rod holders. It was one of the things that I wanted to see for myself. The position of the rod holders allows all three rods to be put in and out of the rod holder with adequate clearance. Once in the rod holder, two of the three rods may move in the rod holder and bump against the rail. It depends on how heavy the rod and reel is. The heavier reels pull the rod away from the console and grab rail. It shouldn’t be a problem, and I don’t think a spacer is needed on the console, but I can add one if it turns out to be an issue later when the boat is running.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:22 am
by Jaysen
Won’t the rods block access to the grab rail “in a hurry”? Seems that someone might wind up grabbing a pole for support by accident.

Hard to tell without seeing it loaded. Could be an illusion thanks to the magic of photography

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:10 pm
by Browndog
Jaysen,

Put some rods in the rod holders to test access. No problem for someone standing at the console. The rod holder is far enough toward the bow that the aft part of the grab rail is completely unhindered. If you grab the rail at the point near the top of the console, there is enough clearance between the rods to get your entire arm in there without any issues.

If you were walking past the console for some reason in a rough seaway, I could see where the rods could interfere with the grab rail.

This boat will be loaded with rod holders. Better to have them tucked safely away than lying on the deck. There are four on the back of the leaning post. There will be three in the gunwale on each side. There will be three under each gunwale as well. Plus the three on each side of the console. Some I imagine will get used for other purposes, like holding a paddle or gaff, or boat hook.

Most boats don’t have enough in my opinion.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:17 pm
by Jaysen
Sounds perfect!

I’m sure you’ll find a rod for every holder. :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:00 am
by Browndog
Taking a break from boat building for couple of weeks. Heading North and West to visit friends, intercept ducks, play in the North Woods, and maybe see a monster buck or two. Will check in when I can.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:31 am
by peter-curacao
Have fun! 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:45 pm
by Browndog
Had a long drive from home to the St. Louis area. Spent the night at The Harrahs in Metropolis, IL. Won a few bucks.

Had my identity stolen and had to cancel a credit card today.

Made it to the Marshland Duck club, established in 1909, along the Mississippi River bottoms Northwest of St. Louis, Missouri. Waiting for my friend Rob to arrive.

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Got a call that my custom dash panel is done and being shipped today. It should be waiting for me at home when I get back.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:07 pm
by Jeff
Good hunting Browndog!!! Sorry about the identity theft!!! It seems to happen more and more often!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:02 am
by Browndog
Have had a couple days of successful duck hunts. Now I'm headed North, almost to the Canadian Border to meet up with some more friends for a North Woods deer hunt.

Yesterday, the custom dash panel arrived. My wife took a picture. Looks really nice. Can't wait to see how it looks on the console.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:24 am
by Jeff
Browndog, very nice panel!! Like the personal touch!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:38 am
by silentneko
Wow, That's a lot of switches. To think I was wondering if an 8 switch panel was to much for my build. You don't have to answer, but what is the approximate cost on something like that?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:58 pm
by Browndog
With them wiring everything, shrink tubing it all. Including negative bus bars, all switches, circuit breakers, etching, cutouts, etc. just under $1000.

It makes wiring the boat so much easier. Now all I have to do is connect the battery to the panel and all of the different "loads" to the bus bar and terminal block. By including the GPS, sonar, vhf radio and stereo I don't need to have separate fuses for them. The only thing I will have direct wired to the batteries will be the bilge pump and the trim tabs. The cost will save me weeks of labor. Very cost effective in my opinion and better looking than what I could have done myself.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:07 pm
by Eric1
That's pretty sweet! 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:12 am
by BarraMan
silentneko wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:38 am Wow, That's a lot of switches. To think I was wondering if an 8 switch panel was to much for my build. You don't have to answer, but what is the approximate cost on something like that?
You are just not trying hard enough! :lol:

I have 18 switches in 3 x switch panels and will most likely need to add more. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:38 am
by cape man
Good luck on the deer! I have 3 in the freezer and may take one or two more this month. They grow BIG where you are going, so one might do it.

Wiring was my worst part of the build. Your purchase will make it SO much easier.

I know about hard wiring the bilge pump, but why the trim tabs?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:40 am
by Eric1
BarraMan wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:12 am You are just not trying hard enough! :lol:

I have 18 switches in 3 x switch panels and will most likely need to add more. :D
Good Lord! What on earth do you have wired?! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:57 am
by Browndog
The trim tabs have their own switch. They also are connected to either the battery switch or ignition, so that the auto retract feature that they possess will operate correctly. Easier to just wire them direct.

There are twelve switches currently being used and two for future accessories.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:50 am
by peter-curacao
Browndog wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:02 am Image
I love this picture, so perfect it almost looks like a movie set to me
Browndog wrote: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:02 am 1812
Sweet! nice switch panel

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:00 pm
by Jeff
Great photo of what I assume is the hunting lodge!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:22 pm
by BarraMan
Eric1 wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:40 am
BarraMan wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:12 am You are just not trying hard enough! :lol:
I have 18 switches in 3 x switch panels and will most likely need to add more. :D
Good Lord! What on earth do you have wired?! :D
1) Humminbird Helix 12
2) Humminbird Helix 7
3) Instrument power
4) Ethernet/NMEA 2000 backbone power
5) 360 degree transducer power
6) Transducer switch power
7) #3 bilge pump power
8.) #1 Livewell aerator
9) Nav lights
10) Anchor light
11) Cockpit lights
12) Accessories socket power
13) Front floodlight
14) Starboard floodlight
15) Port floodlight
16) Transom underwater lights
17) USB ports power
18) Fuel transfer pump power

I would like to install a second livewell aerator and some livewell/storage compartment lights :D .

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:36 pm
by Jaysen
I keep forgetting that your monster is not a “day trip” boat but more of a “come back carrying a fish or don’t come back” boat.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:09 am
by Eric1
That is a ton of gear! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:03 pm
by Browndog
Finally back to working on the boat. Did a lot of stuff since I’ve been back. The main thing is fabricating gutters for the front casting deck. Very intimidating job with the router. The first hatch was about a C+. The second hatch was an A-. Learning as I go.

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Covered the rear casting deck with fiberglass cloth today also. Did it outside to try and get some sun on it. Kind of cool today. Will take a awhile for the slow hardener to set-up.

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Got a bunch to do the next few days to get the momentum back and then my Brother and his family arrive for Thanksgiving on Wednesday. He and I will do some boat work while he is here. Hopefully some sanding, priming and painting.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:22 pm
by silentneko
Router work looks good to me. What are you planning for a drain?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:25 pm
by Jeff
Good stuff Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:31 pm
by Browndog
Silentneko,

The gutters for these front two hatches will be connected under the deck via a couple of gutters and then through bulkhead C and into the cockpit where the cockpit drains and scuppers will take over. These two compartments provide a lot of dry storage for life jackets, clothes, fenders, etc.

The anchor locker will have a thru hull fitting, so no gutters needed, just support lips.

The rear battery compartment and aft storage compartments will get gutters and they will drain into the motorwell and out through the transom.

The livewell and baitwell will not have gutters since they will have drains already, just support lips. Not sure yet about the small compartment between the livewell and baitwell. I’m considering putting a gutter there. More than likely just a drain hole going to the bilge would be fine too.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:42 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Nice work on the hatch gutters!!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:44 pm
by Browndog
Did a bunch of work this morning sanding the console and fitting the dash panel in place. Fabricated the cup holder, front hatch tilt out tackle box holder and lift out door for the console.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:49 pm
by Jeff
Really well done Browndog!! I hope your brother gets a huge amount of sanding done across the holiday weekend!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:58 pm
by Aripeka Angler
The console face plate is sweet. Nice layout.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:00 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Looks great. Love the layout you chose for the panel.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:22 pm
by Browndog
Got the cup holder fabrication filleted and taped in place on the console. The cup holders are partially recessed into the console with cutouts for their bottom 1/4 or so.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:32 pm
by peter-curacao
Everything looks great 8) only thing I would change if possible is lowering the cup holders a little more so the top of the box flows into the console elimination the back of the box creating a dirt trap behind it, but hey that's just me :P

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:46 pm
by Browndog
Peter,

Good suggestion. I considered that, until I observed several friends boats, where the console provided limited storage space. The space on the top on either side of the compass and behind the cup holder is for putting things like a phone, etc and keeping them from rolling around.

When the steering wheel and throttle are in place the cup holder doesn’t look very tall by comparison.

Overall, I’m very pleased with the console. It really makes the boat look as my neighbor said yesterday, “ Factory!” Which to me is a big compliment.

Happy Thanksgiving Y’all,
Jordy

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 9:44 am
by pee wee
Your work looks very neat, and you have shown in the past that everything you do has been carefully thought through, so I'm thinking it will be fine. My reaction to the photo was the same as Peter's, without the other pieces in place the cup holder box seems to stick up high, and will catch dirt. Once the wheel and other parts are in place it will look better.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2017 10:08 am
by Eric1
Factory!? Ha! This screams CUSTOM!! You have built it as a beautiful one of a kind. You'll never see that from a factory!! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 12:06 pm
by Browndog
Not any pictures to share, but progress nonetheless. Over the holiday we focused on a lot of sanding of the cockpit and console. I‘ve continued to work on the gutters under the front casting deck. Coating them with epoxy now in preparation for gluing them in place. Made the hatch surrounds for the console hatch and door, also coating them with epoxy now. Lots of sanding and some fairing on the console, and door parts. Lots of little details. Will be cutting out the hatches on the rear casting deck either today or tomorrow morning. Then will be making gutters and hatch surrounds for the rear casting deck and motor well.

My focus over the next two weeks is to finish the front casting deck, console and rear casting deck and motor well so that I can get the motor installed. By finish I mean having all of the underdeck components installed, primed and painted and the decks filleted and taped in place. The console primed and painted and all of the components installed. Batteries and steering installed. Fuel water separator installed. I need to adjust the trailer bunks still as well.

I will work on the gunwales and supports, rubrails, cleats, and other deck hardware, priming, painting, applying non skid and everything else after the motor is installed.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 2:42 pm
by cape man
Been busy and missed this one. Love the console and the hatches are looking sweet.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 3:35 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, glad you guys accomplished a lot over the holiday!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 4:47 pm
by Browndog
Had a productive afternoon. Got the hatches cut out in the rear casting deck and motor well cover. Continuing to coat the gutters and hatch lips with epoxy. Cut out gutter pieces and hatch lips for the rear casting deck, will start coating them tomorrow.

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Also made up a couple of brackets to hold the livewell pumps and made a mounting pad for the washdown pump.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:05 am
by pee wee
Great progress, looking good!

Thanks for posting all these photos, they will come in handy for any builders coming along behind. It's easier to recognize a good idea and copy it then it is to figure it out for yourself! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:16 am
by Browndog
Thanks Hank.

Got more done this morning. Installed the door & hatch support lips in the console and most of the gutters in the front casting deck. Fabricated more hatch support lips for the rear casting deck and coated them with epoxy. Also coated the brackets that I fabricated yesterday to hold the livewell pumps against the motorwell side and bulkhead. Coated the mounting pad for the washdown pump and fabricated a small mounting pad for the fuel water separator. Also started to coat the hatch cutouts and hatch lid edges with epoxy too.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:31 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, Really nice work!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:36 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
It looks great. It must be very exciting to see it all coming together after all the hard work.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:40 pm
by peter-curacao
Very nicely done 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:46 pm
by Browndog
It is very exciting, but also a bit nerve wracking. I had hoped to be done by now, but with time away for vacations and dealing with a couple of hurricanes I figure since receiving the Marine plywood on March 3, 9 weeks were spent away from the build. So about 7 months of actual build time

The detail work and fabrication of parts take so much time. The sanding and fairing is also very time consuming with not a lot to show for it as you go.

Once it gets to the point where is is looking like a boat instead of just a boat hull gives me lots of motivation to get it finished.

Not sure if I have the patience of some of the other builders on the site to keep a project going for multiple years. That would be hard for me.

The Forum has been very inspirational. The support has been phenomenal and kept me going despite some inevitable hiccups. Now I’m at the point where if a problem comes up, I just shrug and fix it it. I would not have been able to do that without the support from the forum. Thanks to everyone here for their help, encouragement and support.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:42 pm
by Eric1
You have done a wonderful job with this build. I would be proud to own it! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:35 pm
by Browndog
Got the hatch support lips glued in for the livewell and baitwell area of the rear casting deck.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:46 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Nice looking work! I'm enjoying watching your work on the hatches :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:51 pm
by Browndog
Made the gutters for the two rear compartments and the hatch support lips for the motorwell compartment this morning. Need to coat them with epoxy later today so that I can install them over the weekend.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 3:33 pm
by 94'325is
The build is coming along really well, especially like the gutters and transom setup.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:15 pm
by Marshall Moser
Coming along nicely.

i'm a little surprised this isn't listed in the build thread section here -> https://forums.bateau2.com/app.php/page/build-threads

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:56 am
by Browndog
Got the gutters coated with epoxy and glued in under the rear casting deck. Also have the hatch support lips glued in for the motorwell. The mounting pads for the fuel/water separator and the washdown pumps are glued in and the brackets for the livewell pumps are glued in as well. I will need to probably put a small fillet around those things to strengthen them further.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:18 pm
by Browndog
Spent this morning coating the edges of all of the hatch openings with epoxy and also doing the same to the edges of the hatches. After a short lunch break decided to put the first couple of coats of primer on the console and the swim step.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:25 pm
by cape man
Looking awesome!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:01 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Looks great, really nice job.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 5:27 pm
by Browndog
Did a light sanding on the console in between primer coats and then put a couple more coats of primer down. Also did some sanding of the compartments under the rear casting deck and put a first coat of primer on the livewell and baitwell and a second coat on the battery and rear storage compartments. Will tackle the motorwell tonight.

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Also got my canoe out today and went Marsh Hen hunting with my wife. I acted as the guide today. She sat in the front and I paddled her around. Our dog, an American Water Spaniel named Cindy, retrieved the birds. The birds we were hunting are called Clapper Rails, but locally they are known as Marsh hens. You have to wait for a very high tide to inundate the grass, otherwise they have too much cover and are hard to hunt. With the King Tides and a Northeast wind the grass almost disappears behind our house. We paddled around for about an hour and a half until the tide started to go out and then we came back to the house. The pictures were taken after we were done hunting.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:23 pm
by Eric1
The boat looks great! You the first person I know that eats coots. Are they any good?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:18 pm
by Jaysen
The ones out my way are a bit... fishy. Not sure how else to explain it. They don’t taste bad but you can tell they are from the marsh. I like them. Reminds me of eating game in the mountains. Mrs prefers her Publix chicken.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:37 pm
by Browndog
Eric,

Athough I have eaten Coots on a number of occasions, and Coots as well as Purple Gallinules are called marsh hens in some places, these are different birds. There are several kinds of rails, Sora or Virginia Rails, Clapper Rails and the largest are the King Rails. If you have ever heard the old saying, “Thin as a rail.” It is in relation to these birds. They don’t have a lot of meat on them. The breasts are about the size of a dove and the thigh and drumstick are about the size of a quail. They are very good grilled, fried or baked in a casserole with rice.

It is one of the traditional sporting activities in the low country of South Carolina and Georgia, but there is only usually three or four days when the tides line up with everything else over a three month hunting season.

The limit is 15 per person per day and it is not unusual for me and a couple of friends to shoot 45 birds in a couple hours. They are fairly plentiful. I was happy that my wife got to shoot some.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:20 pm
by Eric1
Thanks for taking time to school me. I've never eaten either of them but I'd try them!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:14 am
by Browndog
Didn’t get to go Marsh hen hunting today, but I can hear them shooting on the river as I type.

Put the first coats of primer on the compartments under the front casting deck. Put the final coats of primer on the compartments under the rear casting deck, console, and swim step. Hope to do a little more work on the boat tonight. My Brother is coming back on Friday for the weekend to help out. Got a lot of little jobs to do to prep for the next big steps.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:13 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, sorry about not hunting but I can say, you do some really nice work!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:56 pm
by Jaysen
Are you painting "under the deck"? Hatch access?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:40 pm
by Browndog
Jaysen,

Yes, I’m planning on painting the underside of the decks and have started by priming the underside of the rear casting deck this morning. I will also prime and paint the hatches on the top and underside as well.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:47 pm
by Jaysen
Something to keep in mind is that paint may not produce a strong adhesive surface for epoxy. You may want to mask any areas that will be glue beds before painting or sand those areas back to epoxy for glueing cleats and decks.

Hope that made sense.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:31 pm
by Browndog
Jaysen,

Thanks for the tip. You probably noticed there are only a few glue cleats installed so far. They are coming mostly after the paint. Of course all of these decks will also get filleted and taped on all sides as well which should lock things down pretty well.

I do plan on sanding those cleats that are already in place.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:09 pm
by Jaysen
If you PAINT over the epoxy primer you need to sand that paint off before glueing anything too it. Seriously. I don’t think you want to risk a bad bond. I think the “normal” is to paint any painted areas AFTER all epoxy/fillet is done.

A bad glue up in these areas could have some unfortunate side effects. Especially if it lets go under way.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:00 am
by pee wee
If it was my boat I wouldn't glue to the primer, either. I know it's epoxy based, but it's meant to be a primer, not a structural adhesive. It may mean standing on your head to hit the glue areas with primer after the decks are on, but I'd mask the glue lines off and spot prime & paint later.

Somebody please tell me I'm wrong.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:31 am
by jacquesmm
All that is correct: don't epoxy over paint.
Finish all the epoxy work before you apply any paint.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:21 am
by Browndog
Thanks guys for the heads up.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:28 pm
by Browndog
Measured and cut lots and lots of glue cleats of all shapes and sizes for underneath the two casting decks and still have more to measure and cut for up front. Glue cleats are kind of like sanding to me. Not my favorite part of the build. I will be happy when they are installed in the boat in the next few days.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:07 pm
by cape man
Too funny! I hated cleats also! Don't know why. They're pretty simple, but they take time... But you gotta have them.

By the way, the pic of the canoe, your wife, and the Clapper Rails is priceless!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:52 pm
by Browndog
Glued in a bunch of glue cleats only to discover later that I had not provided enough clearance for the below deck hatch support lips and had to remove eight of them. Luckily the Gel magic had not cured completely by the time I discovered the error and I was able to get the glue cleats off with a very sharp hammer blow on each side. Will redo them tomorrow. Nothing like screwing up something simple and adding more work for yourself.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:03 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, well at least you caught it early and don’t have to do three times the work tomorrow!!! Happy holidays to you guys and again, enjoy the weekend with your brother!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 3:53 pm
by Browndog
Finished redoing the glue cleats under the rear casting deck this morning. After breakfast I put in some of the glue cleats under the front deck too.. Apparently some of my spring clamps were not intended to be applied with the jaws fully open. I had 4 clamps explode in rapid succession. Pop, Pop, POPPOP.

After lunch I went back out to the garage and put the first coat of paint on the swimstep and the livewell and baitwell.

The I switched colors from the Awl Grip Aqua Mist to the System 3 Orcas White and put on the first coat of paint on the console and the console doors and console hatch. I also coated the hose compartment in between the Livewell and Baitwell.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 4:36 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, what did you think of the System Three Orcas paint? Was it easy to go on? Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 5:08 pm
by Browndog
Jeff,

The System 3 paint is much easier to use than the Awlgrip. Easier to mix, just add a few drops of crosslinker to it and it applies easily using the roll and tip method. Cleans up with water. Also doesn’t have the strong smell like the Awlgrip. You’ve got to wear a mask with the Awlgrip or you’ll get lightheaded.

I will be putting on another coat of paint on tomorrow of both the Awlgrip and the System 3. We’ll see what the coverage looks like.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:34 pm
by fallguy1000
Any consolation-today I went to dryfit my locker base after putting the cleats in.

I forgot to lower the cleats for my narrower base from stock; so had to add a piece onto the base today. I think I need a notebook log.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 4:25 pm
by Browndog
Continuing to glue in cleats up front and paint the inside of the compartments below the rear casting deck, Three coats of Awlgrip Aquamist on the baitwell and livewell, and swimstep. Three coats of the System 3 Orcas white on the console and console doors and hatch. Two coats of the System 3 paint on the rear compartments. One coat on the front compartments.

Will hand sand the Awlgrip lightly tomorrow with 400 Grit paper and then put on one or two final coats. Same with the console.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 5:29 pm
by Jeff
Nice painting Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:38 am
by pee wee
Those compartments look great and I like the color you chose. Is the System 3 paint the new formulation?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:03 am
by cape man
That's just plain Purdy!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:35 pm
by Browndog
Hank,

Yes the System 3 is the new formulation. Been adding crosslinker to every coat so it should be very tough and durable. Put on another coat of white paint this morning on everything. The garage got down to 51 degrees over night, so I turned the heat on in there. Warming it to 68. The Awlgrip had some spots that were still tacky from yesterday’s coats where I put it on fairly thick in the livewell.

After painting, my brother and I went with my two fishing buddies and went out for Sheephead today. It was 40 Degrees or so when we started. It warmed up though to the high 50’s. We fished about 4 hours and loaded up a 100 quart cooler full of nice fish. 34 large fish were kept. The cooler was so heavy it was hard to lift out of the boat by two guys. Then we came in and started to clean them so that my brother would have time to get to the airport. Glad my brother got to finally get in on a good sheephead bite.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 7:44 pm
by Jeff
Nice fishing day Browndog!!! You and you brother seem to always catch good fish!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:26 am
by Browndog
Getting ready to head out today for a week of pheasant and duck hunting in Kansas. 11th year with the same guys! Looking forward to it.

Put on another coat of paint below decks yesterday. Looks good in all but one of the hatches that may require, one more coat.

Before I leave, I wanted to tidy up the boat and garage a little bit and so I dry fitted the front and rear casting decks again.

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When I return, I will address the gaps and finish putting in the rest of the glue cleats for the front deck. I may also add a pair of supports below deck in between the A & B Bulkheads. We’ll see how I feel after the rest of the cleats are in. I think I will also reinforce the backside of the larger hatches either with a cross pattern of plywood like Wouter did on his PH18 or maybe a layer of fiberglass.

Hard to leave because I’m very excited to rig up the console and a good bit of the plumbing, electric, fuel/water separator and batteries while I have easy access before I fiberglass the casting decks on for good.

Will post from my cross country travels.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:05 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Safe travels, your build looks great.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:11 am
by cape man
Good luck on the birds! Knock em down!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:23 am
by Jeff
Browndog, great progress on the boat!! Good luck hunting!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:46 pm
by glossieblack
Browndog wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2017 8:26 am Hard to leave because I’m very excited to rig up the console and a good bit of the plumbing, electric, fuel/water separator and batteries while I have easy access before I fiberglass the casting decks on for good.
Good times ahead, and in the meantime, have a good time. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:31 pm
by Browndog
Finally got back to working on the boat. Got home late Monday night and have been getting back into the swing of things here. Golfing yesterday, fishing this morning, band practice this afternoon and boat work this evening.

The first thing to tackle was some of the plumbing stuff. The livewell and baitwell fills and drains are installed, the livewell pumps, sea strainers, washdown pump, and bilge pump. Got the Fuel/Water separator installed also. Of course, now that everything is going in, I’ve found that a few things are too close together and so I need to make a few adjustments and get some more parts to make everything work right.

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Have a list of next steps. Will be working on the battery compartment and the console along with the front casting deck over the next few days and finish up some painting

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:11 am
by cape man
So how was the hunt?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:31 am
by Browndog
The hunt was phenomenal. We shot 75 pheasants the first day and 90 the next. We also did a little duck hunting although it was a bit warm and shot 4 ducks and two geese. My little dog made a couple of great retrieves on the ducks and the giant Canada geese. The birds looked about as big as she was. The wind was pushing the birds away from us and after the first retrieve the second goose had drifted quite a distance. Buy the time she got to the second bird it was about a hundred yards away. She swam out and grabbed the big bird by a wing and pushed it in front of her. Made me proud.

Lots of fun, but good to be back too.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:39 am
by cape man
That's some crazy numbers on the pheasant, and 100 yards with a goose is a lot even for a big dog!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:35 pm
by Jeff
Great hunt Browndog!! Merry Christmas to you guys!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:09 pm
by Browndog
Got some work done on the boat this morning. Finished the hose install for the livewell and baitwell and installed the lights for each. Cut out the opening in the motorwell sides for the side compartment hatch gutter exits. Installed the battery trays, the battery charger, terminal blocks on the house battery and the batteries in the battery compartment and started to wire the batteries together and to the battery switch. I also put terminal connections on some cabling to run from the battery compartment to the console, but haven’t installed them yet. Electrical work is not something I’ve done a lot of so it is a little slow as I follow wiring diagrams and instructions.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 6:11 pm
by Eric1
Looking Great Browndog!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:23 pm
by Browndog
Been doing lots of odds and ends on the boat since I’ve been back. A couple of pictures from today, installed the shallow water anchor pole bracket and began to run wires inside the console to the bus bars that I installed.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:27 pm
by Jeff
Nice Browndog, Merry Christmas!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 5:11 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Beautiful work Jordy. :D
The wiring looks superb, nicely routed and very clean. Your brother is a lucky man.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 4:04 pm
by Browndog
Did a little bit of work today on the boat and made major progress on one item, the swim step. Got the hardware assembled, installed and secured the swim step to the transom and sealed everything with. Silicone and 5200. Still need to apply the Kiwi Grip to the top surface of the swim step, but it is cold today here and i decided to put that off for a few days.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 5:48 pm
by Jeff
As always, nice work Browndog!! How cool is it up there? Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 7:12 pm
by cape man
Some how I missed your paint job. That looks awesome.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:47 pm
by Browndog
Jeff,

It got up to about 60 this afternoon when the sun came out. Low forties in the morning. Got the heater on in the garage.

Going to be chilly here for the next couple of weeks.

Have to go to the store for some fuses, fuse holders, heat shrink tubing, primary wire and some other odds and ends like hose clamps, 90 degree fittings and some 3/4” tubing to finish my plumbing and wiring work.

Got some painting to finish up and some fabrication work to do too. When our house guests leave, I’ll get back to a good schedule of boat work before my sinus surgery on the 4th of January.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:02 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, very best wishes to you for the upcoming surgery!! Pretty cold up there so stay warm and enjoy the guests!!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:44 pm
by Browndog
Installed the dash panel in place with silicone and screws and then installed the VHF Radio and stereo, grab rails, VHF antenna and bracket, and radio speakers in the console today. Also dry fit the steering again.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:01 pm
by pee wee
That's looking great! She's going to be a sweet ride, I think.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:02 pm
by TomW1
Nice. Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:13 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, very well organized console!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 3:30 pm
by willg
Super work there, browndog!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:02 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Sweet!!! Nice looking work. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:04 pm
by OrangeQuest
Amazing work. When you bought the console did it come with all that? :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:03 pm
by Browndog
Guess you never saw the first console, the cardboard one.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:29 pm
by Browndog
Got the cream colored Kiwi Grip installed on the swim step. Interestingly, as it dried the fumes from the paint caused the still curing 3M 5200 sealant to discolor slightly and turn slightly yellow.

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Also got the Raymarine Axiom 9 GPS/Sonar/Multifunction Display installed in the console. Got the cup holders in place and the rod holders on the sides installed too. Decided to through bolt the rod holders instead of just using the screws that came with them. Lots more work, but a much sturdier, more permanent solution.

Everything is on the console except for the Yamaha Digital Gauge, the Yamaha Throttle and the ignition switch. They will be installed by the Yamaha Dealer as a requirement for the warranty. I will install the windshield once the boat is out of the garage for good since it is too tall for the garage opening with the windshield in place.

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Working on installing the transducer this afternoon. Trying also to figure out why the stereo volume is so low.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:42 pm
by Fuzz
Really nice looking console. This is going to be one nice boat.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:16 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Looks really great. I’m sure you’re enjoying putting all the hardware on for the last time. It’s going to turn some heads at the boat ramp that’s for sure.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:07 pm
by Browndog
Got the transducer mounted and the radio problem resolved. I was making the speaker connections all wrong, made it much tougher than it actually was. We got tunes. We got maps. We got sonar. We got VHF radio.

Put on the last coat of paint on the console door and the tackle box hatch. Also put the last coat of paint on the compartments under the front casting deck.

Going into town tomorrow to get some more hose clamps, machine screws, and other bits and pieces that will allow me to mount the console door, tackle box hatch and finish the pump plumbing and wiring. Then it is on to the glamour of installing the last of the glue cleats for the front casting deck.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:52 pm
by Eric1
Good Progress! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:24 pm
by Browndog
Been continuing to wire all of the items in the boat. Everything is done except for those few things that haven’t been installed like the cockpit lights, anchor and Nav lights.

Got the console doors all done; painted, put together and installed. Glad to be done with them. They look and work great!

Now for the other side of the story. The slam latches took me awhile to figure out. The catch for the latch has to be in exactly the right place for the latch to work properly and for the door or hatch to not have any play or be proud of the surface. Had to finally fabricate some spacers out of aluminum bar stock to get the one on the tackle box hatch to work and fit right. Plus it is a small part that has to be held in place with small screws that you put in from the inside of the console where there is very little clearance for screwdrivers or drills, while you are standing on the outside doing everything by feel. You get the drift. A pain in the rear to say the least. Took way longer than I thought it would. But it probably saved me about $600 to $700 that it would have cost to buy them. Money that I was able to put in elsewhere in the project.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:58 pm
by Jeff
Really well done Browndog!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:59 am
by cape man
They look awesome! Happy New Year! You're getting close...

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 9:25 am
by fallguy1000
I have a 6' section of my boat that is about 6" deep and I have been wondering how to use it. This would be a great way. If I do a nice job of the inside of it; I could make a great storage locker.

Is there anything about these you don't like? My Lund has an inside hinge, so you only see the latch. It has some plastic posts and wire catches, but everyone hates them because they are knuckle busters. My uncle uses a pliers to open the biting bitc.

I really like the onboard tackle box. You can fill it with the basics like hooks, swivels, sinkers, leadheads, and then you don't need to carry them all the time.

Here in Mn, we use flashers and dodgers and downrigger gear, so I can see about a million ways to use a big sidelocker box.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 2:08 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Looks great, love the tackle box storage. Happy New Year.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:41 pm
by Browndog
Fallguy,

Every Memorial Day for many years, I and a friend would go to Barkers Island Marina in Superior, WI and take my larger boat for a week to fish for Lake Trout, Salmon, Brown Trout and Walleye by trolling with Planer Boards, Dipsy Divers and Downriggers in the lake and in the River if the lake was too rough. We used flashers, dodgers, flies, plugs and spoons. I really loved that style of fishing. That boat has tackle box storage under both captains chairs.

The tackle box storage hatch is a good way to reclaim some space other wise lost and provide access to the most used tackle in an easy and convenient location while also providing access to all of the wiring and console rigging.

The front casting deck contains copious amounts of storage too. In fact this boat has enormous amounts of storage compared to many of my friends boats of similar size.

Today, I finished gluing in the rest of the cleats for the front casting deck, a job for whatever reason I’ve been putting off.

I also got the Motorwell hatch fitted with a slam latch and fitted the catch to the under side of the motorwell deck. Lesson learned from the console, do it while it is a bit easier to get at.

Finally, another job I’ve been putting off, fillet all around the underside of the deck where the gutter and deck meet to theoretically provide reinforcement and additional water proofing. Not sure it was necessary or not.

I’m wrestling with priming or not priming the underside of the front and rear casting decks and the underside of the motorwell deck. The hatches will get primed and painted on both sides at a later time. The rear casting deck already has one coat of primer on the underside.

Not priming would allow me to install the decks sooner.

My gut feeling is to coat them with two coats of primer and call it good. Any thoughts, one way or another?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:24 pm
by fallguy1000
Primer generally has no UV protection and does nothing for water.

Did you epoxy coat them to seal? If they are epoxy coated and won't see the light of day, I would let them go. If they will see the light of day, I'd epoxy coat them and prime and topcoat.

Sorry, might not be the answer you wanted, but I don't like when things rot.

I might end up putting in a slip at Barkers. Time will tell.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:46 am
by topwater
Epoxy primer is water proof.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:15 am
by Browndog
Yes, Everything is coated with epoxy and the primer I’m using is Silvertip Yacht Primer, which is I believe as Topwater noted, waterproof.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:18 pm
by Browndog
Pretty cold here, so I was not able to find anyone to golf with me today. Took the time to prime the underside of the rear casting deck, front casting deck and motorwell deck with the Silvertip yacht primer.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:22 pm
by jacquesmm
Browndog wrote: Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:15 am Yes, Everything is coated with epoxy and the primer I’m using is Silvertip Yacht Primer, which is I believe as Topwater noted, waterproof.
Yes, the SilverTip primer is epoxy, it is waterproof. It is IMHO, the best primer available.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:27 pm
by fallguy1000
Sorry-didn’t realize it was epoxy primer.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 10:58 am
by Browndog
Took advantage of the winter storm and the freezing rain by hunkering down and getting some boat work done. Got up early and glued down the motorwell deck and the rear casting deck with Gel Magic. Then started to apply Easy Fillet to all of the perimeter seams and then put on the fiberglass tape. Two layers of 12 oz. biaxial tape against the transom, one layer of 9 oz. tape every where else.

Took my time to make the fillets really nice.

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Taking a mid morning break now to have my breakfast. Will get back to the boat in a little while and with the help of my wife, who is home today because of the ice storm, will dry fit the front casting deck in preparation for glueing, filleting and taping it in place today too.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 11:11 am
by Jeff
Browndog, as always, really well done!! Stay warm up there!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 1:04 pm
by Browndog
Went back to work on the boat. Got the glue spread and then the power went out. Decided to just tack the deck in place with ez fillet and call it a day. Pretty dark in the garage even though there are windows.

I’m supposed to have sinus surgery tomorrow but that is probably questionable at this point due to the storm. It is snowing heavily here now and starting to accumulate. Pretty rare for coastal Georgia.

Hope the power comes back on or I’ll be building a fire to keep the house warm.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 6:54 pm
by Eric1
Hope you got power back. Prayers for y'all.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:35 pm
by Browndog
Well the power came back on for a little bit and then went off again. My wife made dinner on the gas cook top by candlelight and I built a nice wood fire in the fireplace. Pretty cozy. Just finished dinner and the power came back on again.

At Noon tomorrow I’m scheduled for sinus surgery to repair the damage done 30 or more years ago from a series of 5 separate broken nose incidents acquired playing sports and from other youthful indiscretions. Haven’t been able to breath out of my nose for a very long while. My wife says she can hear me breathing from two aisles over when we are grocery shopping. Not to mention snoring and sleep apnea, etc.

Nervous about it. Hope it goes well. I also hope I can work on the boat while I’m recovering.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2018 7:41 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, I am confident the surgery will go well for you and I will be thinking of you!! Let us know how it goes when you feel up to it!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:20 am
by topwater
I feel your pain , i also have broken my nose 3 or 4 times in my youth and have a deviated septum .
Have not been able to breath out of the right side of my nose since then. Doc wanted to fix it years
ago but i couldn't bring myself to have my nose broken one more time. Good luck .

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:43 am
by silentneko
You'll be just fine and then wonder why you didn't do it 25 years ago. Modern medical science is pretty cool stuff and recovery times are so much shorter and easier these days.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:53 am
by TomW1
Good luck and wishing you a quick recovery. Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:46 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I hope the surgery went well for you! Good luck with the recovery.
Your boat is looking great, I really like the attention to even the small details!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:58 pm
by Browndog
Thanks guys. Just got home from the surgery. Bleeding a fair amount still from my nose. Gotta sleep in the recliner for the next few days. Probably won’t be doing too much on the boat over the next few days either other than starting at it and planning what to do next.

Did get a litle more filleting done on the front casting deck today. The perimeter gaps are fairly big, so I’m using a fair amount of filleting material.

Richard, thanks for the comment. That is high praise coming from a Master like you. Means a lot to me.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:18 pm
by Fuzz
Be interesting to hear what you think after it is all healed up. Got some of the same issues but to chicken to have it fixed.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 8:30 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, really good news and glad you came through the surgery well!! Just take good care of yourself and heal properly!!!! Again, good to hear from you!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:13 pm
by seaslug
I've also enjoyed following your build, and am glad the surgery went well. It seems a lot of boat builders have had similar experiences with multiple blows to the head in our youth. That may explain the sickness we all have. Mine was a back fist to the nose in Karate 44 years ago, and I've been breathing from 1 nostril ever since that day. Don't stay in the recliner too long though, slackers will not be tolerated on this forum. I for one have never spread Easy Fillet with my nose, so no excuses. Build on. Mike

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:58 pm
by Fuzz
seaslug wrote: Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:13 pm I for one have never spread Easy Fillet with my nose, so no excuses. Build on. Mike
:lol:

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:49 pm
by Browndog
Went out to the garage today and stared at everything for awhile. Decided to try and do some non strenuous design work, designing the Gun wale Support/under Gun wale rod holders. After about 1/2 hour I was dripping wet with sweat, apparently my body is not very able to control body temp right now. Got light headed and had to stop. Had lunch and then went back out and was able to do a little bit of design work and laying out the wood to be cut for the main pieces of the support set-up. Got my first Post operative appointment tomorrow and hope to get the stents taken out of my nose. This surgery really knocked me back more than I expected.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:03 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, Good to hear from you but sorry the surgery recovery is not easier on you!! Stay slow and get well!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:31 pm
by TomW1
Browndog don't over do. Want you back building that boat as soon as possible. Take care and hope all goes well tomorrow.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:25 pm
by Eric1
Give the body time Friend, the boat will be there.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:15 am
by Browndog
Thanks for the support guys. It has been a tough week.

This morning I felt up to gluing some parts together. I glued the rough cut under gunwale rod holder pieces together. Two pieces of 12 mm okoume plywood for each of the three locations in the cockpit for each side. Once the pieces are nice and hard I will draw the holes and cutout slots and then get going on the fabrication.

Also started the fabrication of the filler piece to surround the fuel hose between the rear casting deck and the gunwale. Making that out of three pieces of 6 mm okoume.

Finally used some leftover glue to put in the last of the glue cleats for the front casting deck. I know I’m not 100 percent when I did something stupid while dry fitting one of the small cleats. It slipped out of my grip and fell underneath the only spot I don’t have access any longer, under the anchor locker sole. I hope it won’t rattle around in the future as it is loose above the foam and under the deck.

This afternoon I get the stuff taken out of my nose. Can’t wait!! Looking forward to getting back to the boat in a big way!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:36 am
by cape man
I hope it won’t rattle around in the future as it is loose above the foam and under the deck.
It will probably find a snug home and you'll never know it is there.

Loving this build man!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 1:13 pm
by pee wee
It's going to be nice to work on the boat and breath at the same time! Good luck with your recovery; as my father-in-law used to say: there's no such thing as "minor surgery".

You're putting a stereo in that boat, right? Thump, thump (rattle) thump. :lol:

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:04 pm
by Browndog
Had the nasal splints taken out and the pain has been reduced by about 70%-80%. I can’t blow my nose for another week, so now I have to figure out how to deal with a near constant nose drip while wearing a respirator to block dust and fumes. Eager to get caught up on the boat over the next few weeks. I figure that applying filleting material to the deck seams isn’t very strenuous, so I’ll get cracking on the decks tomorrow. In between the epoxy work, I’ll keep going on the Gunwale supports/rod holders.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:07 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Great to hear that you are on the mend!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:12 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, hope each day gets easier and better for you!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 12:42 pm
by Browndog
The front casting deck has been filleted and taped into place. Not my best work. As I look at the picture I see the tapes are not very even and a bit wavy. Nothing a lot of sanding, fairing and painting can’t hide!

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Also, finished filling some of the gaps in the rear casting deck and made progress on some of the under gunwale support fabrications. I feel like I don’t have much stamina or energy right now and my ability to think clearly has been challenged. So, I’m going to take it a little bit slower this afternoon and try to be more careful too.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:42 pm
by Eric1
Just don't over do it. It looks good. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:07 pm
by Jeff
I agree with Eric Browndog, take it easy and heal-up before you hit the building too hard!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:59 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
The boat looks great. I’m no doctor but you should be careful being around loads of dust, especially fairing compound until you heal a bit mate. I know we use a mask but you don’t want that to breathe in any of that fine dust even by accident with open wounds. The boat does look good though!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:45 am
by Browndog
After dry fitting the rod racks/under gunwale supports this morning I decided to cover them with light fiberglass cloth.

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Did a few other odds and ends. After lunch will work on the boat some more.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:28 pm
by Browndog
Got a few more things done, but I had to take a break. Running out of steam early today. Going to go lie down for a little bit.

The lifting cleat/U bolt bracket got epoxied in place in the bow. The anchor support tube joint with the deck got cleaned up, and the anchor locker bulkhead got tacked into place with fillet material, after being dryfitted. Tomorrow after the tacks are hardened I will fillet and tape it in place. It is an awkward spot to try and use clamps. I think this approach will be a little easier for me to handle right now.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:20 am
by Browndog
Couldn’t sleep so I got up around five this morning, walked the dog, had breakfast and started to work on the boat.

First thing I did was drill out the holes for the front U- bolt bracket and later coated the inside of the holes with leftover epoxy.

Then I cleaned up the fuel fill surround fabrication and got it ready to install. Mixed up some EZ Fillet and neat epoxy and filleted and taped the Anchor Locker bulkhead in place. Double taped the bulkhead to the hull on each side with 12 oz. Biaxial tape. Single tape to the deck. Used the leftover fillet material to get the fuel filler panel installed. I cleaned up all of the gunwale supports/rod racks and then applied fiberglass to the other side of all of those.

Overall, feeling pretty good about how much I got done this morning. I’ll probably check back in on the boat this afternoon and do a little bit more.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:31 am
by Jeff
Browndog, really good early morning work!! Hope you are healing well!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 12:48 pm
by pee wee
Nice progress!
I know you've already gotten it figured out, but will the fuel fill (and ground wire) be attached to the deck fitting first, then get fed down to their destination?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:53 pm
by Browndog
Hank,

Good question. My solution was to pre-install the fuel hose and ground wire on the fuel tank and then feed them to the gunwale location where the fuel fill will be attached to both. There is a 5” pie plate access/inspection port on the rear deck right by the fuel fill to get at both in the future if needed. I plan on attaching the wire to the grounding screw on the metal fuel fill and then cutting the fuel hose down a little more to the correct length once the gunwale is installed. I’m doing something similar for the cockpit drains. Because there is limited access under the sole, I did most of the fuel system, drain hose, rigging tube and other rigging prior to putting the decks on. If these components ever need to be replaced the deck & or sole will probably have to be cut into.


When are you going to start your FS-19 build?

Regards,
Jordy

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 5:56 pm
by Browndog
Hank,

After more thought, I think I probably should have put the filler panel in after the gunwale, not before. I see what you mean. I will have to have that section of the gunwale already finished with fiberglass and maybe even primer & paint when I install it, so that I can put the filler on the hose and tighten the clamp before gluing the gunwale section in place. 8O Just another one of those AH HA Moments of the boat building learning curve.

Now when I make a mistake I don’t panic as much, because I‘ve learned most things can be fixed or redone. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had to glue things back together that I cut or fill in a hole, etc. That is probably my greatest achievement with this project in that I now have the confidence to fix a mistake and the knowledge of how to fix it. What I hope comes next is the wisdom that allows fewer mistakes to be made. :lol:

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:53 pm
by Jeff
Good stuff Browndog!!! I will ship your EZ-Fillet tomorrow!! Hope your eye is continuing to heal and you get back to normal soon!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2018 7:22 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
If you develop the ability to make less mistakes, can you pass it on. I could use some of that :lol:

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 9:22 am
by pee wee
I've noticed the same thing with my work, experience is much about making mistakes and learning from them. There's hardly a mistake I haven't made, but I've learned to not panic, because I know how to fix it! Being that it's up under the gunwale and going to be near impossible to see, could you cut a portion of the cover away and leave it open for access, or make a small removable plate?

It's going to be a while more before I can start my build, we're making the move down to the coast in a few months, then I have to build a shop. The molds you gave me are safe and dry in a shed, but it's too small to work in. I think about it all the time, though. I've got a scale FS19 built and playing with different layouts. I'm thinking to keeping it light and simple, but then I see your boat and it sure has some nice features.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:17 pm
by Browndog
Did a bunch today. Got the gunwale supports/rodracks trimmed up and sanded and then tacked into place. Finished fiberglassing the remaining two gunwale supports and the one rod rack also.

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Also spent a good part of the day grinding and sanding the front edge of the rear casting deck and the rear edge of the front casting deck along with the motorwell sides and front seam of the motorwell smooth and rounded over to accept fiberglass cloth. Then I covered the motorwell sides and front seam with fiberglass cloth.

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My goal for tomorrow is to finish prepping the front and rear bulkheads so I can then cover them with fiberglass cloth and wrap the cloth over the top deck edges.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:28 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jordy,
You have really bounced back from your surgery!
Very nice work and well thought out!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 10:34 pm
by cape man
Really like the console!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:18 pm
by Browndog
This morning I finished sanding the front and rear casting deck bulkheads and then faired all of the biaxial tape edges. This afternoon I sanded the fairing and then covered both of the bulkheads with fiberglass cloth and epoxy. They really turned out well. Taking the extra time to sand and fair the tape edges really makes a difference.

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Also this morning I finished trimming the gunwale supports and cutting them to length and adding limber holes to them. They are ready to be installed.

Began the process of templating and cutting out the first two pieces of the gunwale. It is the section that spans the distance from the transom to the bulkhead of the rear casting deck

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:38 pm
by Eric1
Boat looks great. Glad you feeling better! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:32 pm
by Browndog
Putting on some boat bling today!

Got the bow eye installed, the thruhull drain for the anchor locker is also installed. Once the 5200 sealant cures a bit I will install a clamshell fitting in front of the thru hull to prevent an errant wave from filling the anchor locker.

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In the back I got the aft cleats, quick detach fender holders and the gas fill cap and anchor light socket all dry fit in the gunwales.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:44 pm
by Eric1
Lots of good things happening here! :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:56 pm
by pee wee
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In the back I got the aft cleats, quick detach fender holders and the gas fill cap and anchor light socket all dry fit in the gunwales.

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I'd not seen those fender holders before, I like them! Love the bling, you're making so much progress it's easy to forget you're still recovering from surgery.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:07 pm
by cape man
You are going to love those cleats.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:19 am
by Browndog
Got my shipment of EZ fillet yesterday so I filleted and taped all of the gunwale suppports and rod racks that were tacked in place and tacked in the remaining five that were not. The pictures show each side from transom to bow. I also templated the starboard side gunwale with poster board and began transferring the templates to plywood and began cutting out more gunwale pieces.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:08 pm
by cape man
Moving along nicely! Good pics and documentation.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:31 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, how is your nose, are you feeling better!! Glad you received the EZ Fillet!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:35 pm
by Browndog
This afternoon I finished filleting and taping the remaining five gunwale supports that I tacked in place this morning. Cut out another section of gunwale too.

Jeff, my nose and sinuses are healing. Still some bleeding and the pain is mostly at night and early morning. Working on the boat has been a nice distraction. Combine that with the fact that I can’t really do anything else right now and the weather has been conducive to staying inside has allowed me to make a lot of progress on the boat in a short time.

My brother has a meeting in Charleston this weekend and is going to stop down afterwards and spend Sunday Night and Monday Morning with us. It will be nice to have him here to help out on the boat. I’ve been sending him pictures every day and we talk about the boat all the time. He is getting pretty excited.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:04 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I love the bling, you picked great quality hardware!
I have the same gas fill on Bare Bones, no need to search for the gas cap key.
Very nice looking work as always. 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:44 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
It all looks really great. I’m enjoying watching this come together, thanks for documenting it so well.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:32 am
by Browndog
Glued on and filled the gaps of the first three sections of gunwale on the aft starboard side. Tried to upload a picture but got an unfamiliar error message. It wasn’t a great picture anyways. When everything has dried and hardened I will sand everything fair and see what I need to touch up. I’ve decided to apply fiberglass tape to the seams of the gunwale, biaxial underneath and woven on top as a precaution to strengthen those joints as some are going to land where there is not a support directly underneath. Now there will be glue cleats on the front edge and an inwale as well to provide additional support and strength, but I figure it can’t hurt.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:07 am
by Jeff
Browndog, how is the nose?? Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:22 pm
by Browndog
Jeff,

The nose and sinuses are getting better every day. Still bleeding a little bit. Nighttime tends to be not so good. When I lie down things don’t drain and with the heat on in the house my nose dries out a lot. Using a lot of saline to wash out my sinuses. Got the all clear to be able to blow my nose now. On the 31st I have my next post operative visit. Today was the first day I left the house without a mustache bandage.

Thanks for asking,
Jordy

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:13 pm
by Jeff
Jordy, well you improving, that is the best news!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:53 am
by Browndog
Did a marathon Gunwale ssession this morning. Got the first three sections of the starboard gunwale that were glued and filleted, sanded down and mostly faired in. Then I templated, cut out and dry fitted the rest of the starboard gunwale. Figured out how to do it a little faster and then templated, rough cut and dryfitted the port side too.

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When my brother gets here this afternoon, I think we will glue in and fillet more of the gunwale in place. To me , the gunwale really gives this boat a big boat/yacht style feel. I really like the curves. It is the closest to boat porn I’ve gotten!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:29 pm
by Jeff
Nice Browndog, really rich looking little yacht!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:30 pm
by cape man
Wide gunwales like that always set it off. My OD 18 is very rough everywhere but the gunwales, and that's where everyone's eyes go. You are doing great! Your whole build is very well thought out and executed.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:59 pm
by Browndog
Thanks guys. The boat is really starting to come together.

I don’t know what I was thinking earlier, must have just been excited, I’ve got to coat the gunwales with epoxy before gluing them in, so we did that and lots of vacuuming and I drilled some holes for a couple rod holders, a fender cleat and a retractable cleat.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:38 pm
by Browndog
Coated the other side of the gunwale panels this morning with epoxy and then did a bunch of little stuff. Dry fitted another cleat and a cup holder in the starboard gunwale. Cut holes for the latches in all the remaining hatches. Marked all of the remaining hatches for their hinges too. I hope to get the gunwales, fore deck/anchor locker deck, and inwales all done this week.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 12:50 pm
by OrangeQuest
It is really looking good!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:35 pm
by pee wee
I agree, it's looking great! Getting those sections of gunwale up there really shows what it's going to look like- good!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:41 pm
by Fuzz
Yep the gunwales look really good and show off the shape :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:30 pm
by Eric1
Your Brother is gonna have one slick boat! 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:15 am
by Browndog
Thanks Eric.

This morning I applied EZ Fillet material and 12 Oz Biaxial Tape to all of the seams between the gunwale supports and the underside of the gunwale. It was difficult wetting everything out while working upside down. Lots of drips to clean up and tiring work. I also applied biaxial tape to the undersides of all of the seams where the gunwale panels join together.

After looking at the inside seam between the hull and the gunwale, underneath the gunwale, it looks like in most places the Gel Magic glue squeezed out and made a very small fillet. I was not planning on filleting and taping the seam since I plan to wrap fiberglass cloth from the inwale over the gunwale and rub rail.

At the anchor locker bulkhead, fillet material and tape was used on the underside seam between the gunwale and the bulkhead as well. That is when I realized, I never applied fiberglass cloth to the anchor locker bulkhead. I will apply cloth to the inside first and then when I put cloth on the top side of the fore deck I will wrap the cloth around the front side and cover the outside of the bulkhead as well.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 12:29 pm
by Browndog
This morning I’ve been shaping the shearline and the gunwales with an angle grinder and random orbital sander. Got the last piece of gunwale glued in and filleted and taped to the gunwale supports. Got the front deck put together. The hatch is laid out and the lifting cleat cutout has been done. Currently reinforcing the underside of the cleat area and put fiberglass cloth on the top side of the deck after fairing it a little more.

The garage is dusty from all the sanding. Will do a bit more sanding and fairing of the inside of the anchor locker this afternoon.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:38 pm
by Browndog
Sanded and faired the anchor locker and the transom and motorwell area. I hope to apply fiberglass cloth to the interior of the anchor locker bulkhead tomorrow. I’ve been fighting a cold the last couple of days which at first I thought was just a part of the sinus surgery recovery, but it is not. It is a cold. It is a PITA.

Haven’t been taking any pictures, because it is hard to see the progress from the sanding and fairing, other than the color change.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:49 am
by Fuzz
I think that is one of the toughest things about fairing. You can spend hour after hour doing it and only you can really see the difference.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:27 am
by cape man
Damn Jordy! Bad time to get a cold after the surgery and sanding. I had one the first week while camping. Hope it isn't as bad as mine was! Take a break if needed.

I did not glass under the gunwales, but wrapped 4 oz from the inwales to the bottom edge of the rub rail.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:13 am
by Browndog
Got up this morning and sanded the areas that I applied fairing compound to yeasterday. Got them smooth enough. Dry fitted the foredeck in place. This afternoon I hope to apply the fiberglass cloth to the interior of the anchor locker bulkhead. That way over the weekend I can begin priming and painting the anchor locker in preparation for putting the foredeck on. Still have to shape the last sections of gunwale.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:32 am
by pee wee
Looking good. How did you go about deciding the width of the gunwales? Was the line where the sole and hull side meet a factor?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 10:32 am
by Danny01_w
This question is way out of timing but at the beginning the mold of the boat is not used for the bulkheads. You had to make real bulkhead out of marine plywood

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 12:39 pm
by jacquesmm
What is the question?
Some of the plywood bulkheads and frames can be used as mold. The ones under the cockpit can't, use MDF for those ones.
MDF is cheap, I prefer to make them all out of MDF as we do in the kit. Cut the MDF molds to all sit at the same level, on the strongbacks.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:23 pm
by Danny01_w
Sorry the question was are the molds on the strong back all used as the bulkheads in the boat?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:52 pm
by Browndog
Danny,

If you to the beginning of this thread you will see that the stringers and motorwell frames are used on the mold. All other bulkheads are made of MDF and are temporary.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:58 pm
by Danny01_w
Thanks I noticed that but In just being cautious because i don't want to screw up building mine

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 5:11 pm
by Browndog
Covered the inside of the anchor locker bulkhead with fiberglass cloth. Also covered the aft port side gunwale with cloth.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:40 pm
by Browndog
Hank,

Sorry I missed your question. Yes, I did take into account where the hull side met the sole at the chine, so as to preserve as much deck space in the cockpit. The taper from the transom also preserved the rear casting deck space and allows for larger hatches. Up front the gunwale actually tapers again on the outside shearline, but I tried to maintain the inside curve. There is a lot of hull flare through he middle of the boat that allows for the gunwale width without intruding in the cockpit.

On the front casting deck I did want the gunwale to come in a little to provide a place to lock your knees and provide a toe hold so that you feel like you are in the boat, not on top of the boat like in the back.

I used a flexible batten to draw the curve and then eye balled it from the rear to make sure it is fair.

Where the gunwale meats the supports, it is hard to maintain the curve without it looking a little lumpy. I start with the panels cut slightly oversize and then nibble away with the angle grinder and orbital sander with frequent stops to go to the rear and assess where it needs to have more material removed.

I’ve been trying to go quick enough to make progress but slow enough to avoid mistakes.

Measuring each side also helps to keep things fairly even.

More like sculpture than construction. Makes lots of dust.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 1:02 pm
by pee wee
Thanks, it's as I suspected: a lot of thought and work go into making it look "normal"!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:36 pm
by Browndog
Spent several hours this morning shaping the gunwales and then vacuuming the cloud of dust that was created. In the afternoon I got the transom and the anchor locker coated with the first coat of primer. Used some leftover primer to coat the underside of the foredeck and the aft port gunwale section.

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Will probably head into town tomorrow to get some supplies I will need for painting.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2018 6:39 pm
by peter-curacao
All looks great! 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2018 8:12 am
by Fair WX Pilot
The boat looks great, the aft hatches are a work of art.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:32 am
by Browndog
Put a couple more coats of primer on everything yesterday then went to town to get some painting supplies and a few other things I need for the next big push. This morning I started to put the first coat of the System Three WR LPU Orcas White paint on the transom, anchor locker and the port aft gunwale section. Will probably need three coats or so.

Also started to prepare the inwale pieces by coating them with epoxy.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:13 am
by Eric1
Looking good!! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:16 am
by Jeff
Nice Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:38 pm
by Browndog
This morning I put the third coat of white paint on and then installed the hatch lips on the front foredeck hatch opening. Then I was able to glue in place the glue cleats for the inwales.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:59 pm
by glossieblack
Browndog, your build continues to impress. Getting the deck sitting nicely on its framing is a time consuming challenge that you've handled with aplomb. And you sure have achieved a lot since you started building some eleven months ago.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:59 pm
by Browndog
Thank you Glossie. Your build is a real work of art and an inspiration to me. I’m glad that the boat I’m building for my brother is coming along nicely.

Hoping to get the motor and controls installed in a couple of weeks. I bought the motor at the end of November thinking I would be able to get it installed by now. Spoke to the guys at the shop today and the owner tried to convince me to do some work for him.

Looking forward to having a launch party for the boat hopefully in a couple of months. It is keeping me motivated to get it done before a year is up.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:40 am
by cape man
Again, love the gunwales. It will really set that boat off. With the inwales it is going to be awesome.

One year is impressive with everything you are doing. All the little extras not in the plans is where the real time comes in, and for me it was mostly pondering how to do something. You seem to just go get it and it works.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:54 am
by Jeff
Browndog, I fully agree with Cape Man's comments!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:21 pm
by Browndog
Got the fore deck glued and filleted in and then tackled the inwales. Got them glued in and filleted the very small gaps. Had to use some screws to hold the inwales in place. Nothing else I tried worked. Will remove the screws and fill the holes later.

I like how the inwales turned out.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:33 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, really nice progress!! I hope your nose is getting back to near normal!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:33 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, really nice progress!! I hope your nose is getting back to near normal!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:14 pm
by peter-curacao
Browndog wrote: Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:21 pm Got the fore deck glued and filleted in and then tackled the inwales. Got them glued in and filleted the very small gaps. Had to use some screws to hold the inwales in place. Nothing else I tried worked. Will remove the screws and fill the holes later.

I like how the inwales turned out.

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Very nice she's looking hot already 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:47 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Browndog, awesome work! :D
Wow! Clean and superbly well thought out.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 3:02 pm
by Browndog
Thanks Richard.

Spent the morning smoothing out the edges of the fore deck and the inwales. Lots of grinding and sanding. Also got the last piece of gunwale installed in the aft port corner. Getting the fuel filler on to the fuel hose was a chore. The result of my installing the filler panel prematurely underneath the gunwale. Also installed the brass drain tubes in the motor well. I didn’t cut one short enough, so it cracked when I cinched it down with the flaring tool and I had to remove it and will need to get another one as that was my spare. Installed the jack plate permanently today too. Used gobs of 5200. That stuff makes a mess. Very hard to clean it up if it gets somewhere you don’t want.

Overall, some progress made. Taking longer to get the final shape of the gunwales and inwales before I cover them with fiberglass cloth. Always seems like another little lump to sand or dip to fill.

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My buddy and my inlaws came over today to see the progress on the boat. Neither of them had been over in a while so they were impressed with how much I’ve gotten done recently.

Hard to believe but, most of the construction part of the build is now done.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 4:31 pm
by OrangeQuest
Sure is looking good!

Need a Roomba to come out and get all that dust up when you turn the sanders off!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2018 11:42 pm
by TomW1
Wow Browndog after watching your build it is hard to believe that you have finished the hard stuff. Congrats.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:26 am
by cape man
WD40 easily removes 5200 before it cures. Boat is looking great!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:30 pm
by Browndog
It is a very rainy day here in coastal Georgia. Perfect for sitting inside and doing boat work. First thing I did was a bunch of vacuuming this morning then I got a bunch of little stuff done. Fillets on the inside of the inwale where it meets the supports and some taping along the way. Then I was able to put fiberglass cloth on the outside of the anchor locker bulkhead and tie everything together with the gunwales and inwales. Then I fiberglassed the rubrails around the foredeck and transom. Waiting for some filleting and fairing compound to dry around the inwales and rubrails where I did some touch up. After some light sanding tomorrow I should be able to apply fiberglass cloth to the rest of the rubrails, gunwales and inwales.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:41 pm
by Eric1
Browndog wrote: Sun Feb 04, 2018 1:30 pm It is a very rainy day here in coastal Georgia. Perfect for sitting inside and doing boat work. First thing I did was a bunch of vacuuming this morning then I got a bunch of little stuff done. Fillets on the inside of the inwale where it meets the supports and some taping along the way. Then I was able to put fiberglass cloth on the outside of the anchor locker bulkhead and tie everything together with the gunwales and inwales. Then I fiberglassed the rubrails around the foredeck and transom. Waiting for some filleting and fairing compound to dry around the inwales and rubrails where I did some touch up. After some light sanding tomorrow I should be able to apply fiberglass cloth to the rest of the rubrails, gunwales and inwales.
Glad you can get some work done. We lost power this morning to the ice storm but it's back on now. :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 3:53 pm
by TomW1
Browndog glad you can keep working on the boat. Eric sorry you lost power. I got more snow 4 1/2" for the week. It just melts off between the next one arrives. :D

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 1:33 pm
by Browndog
Got the fiberglass cloth on the gunwales, inwales and rubrails today.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:21 pm
by OrangeQuest
By no means am I an expert but they look like they could use more epoxy! :lol:

Your boat is really looking good!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:11 pm
by pee wee
OrangeQuest wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2018 2:21 pm By no means am I an expert but they look like they could use more epoxy! :lol:

Your boat is really looking good!
I agree, that looks a bit resin starved, but then, maybe it's just the lighting?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 4:54 pm
by jacquesmm
The picture was probably taken before applying the resin.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:46 pm
by Browndog
I assume you guys are joking. As Jacques pointed out, the picture was taken before the epoxy was applied. Once the epoxy goes on, kind of hard to see the cloth.

But it turned out well.

I’m gone for a couple of days at a friends farm. Back on Wednesday. Then on Thursday I’m headed to St. George Island and Apalachicola, FL.

The band I’m in has a couple of gigs down there on Thursday and Friday nights. On Friday we’ll be at the Bowery in Apalachicola.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:15 am
by OrangeQuest
Yes we are joking! It's easy to tell that it was cut and just laid up on the gunwales and a few weights added to keep it from sliding off. Your build looks great!

safe travels,
Ken J

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 7:18 am
by peter-curacao
Browndog wrote: Mon Feb 05, 2018 10:46 pm The band I’m in has a couple of gigs down there on Thursday and Friday nights. On Friday we’ll be at the Bowery in Apalachicola.
Cool what kind of music?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 8:11 am
by pee wee
Yes of course, I was joking also. I sometimes forget that without a smiley face (and even sometimes with it) somebody will miss an attempt at humor. Here we are: :lol:

Florida sounds nice about now.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:25 pm
by Browndog
Peter,

We play a mix of dance tunes from the 50s tobthe 90s. Classic rock, country, R & B. A pretty wide repertoire. Our bands name is Slackwater and we have a website with pictures and videos. Looking forward to playing at Harry A’s and the Bowery.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:39 pm
by Jeff
OK Browndog, I knew you were an artist with wood but a musician as well!!! Very cool band and I like the website!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2018 2:43 pm
by peter-curacao
Browndog wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2018 1:25 pm Peter,

We play a mix of dance tunes from the 50s tobthe 90s. Classic rock, country, R & B. A pretty wide repertoire. Our bands name is Slackwater and we have a website with pictures and videos. Looking forward to playing at Harry A’s and the Bowery.
Cool I just listen a couple of tracks,you guys look badass in that picture 8) Have to ask if you don't mind,which one is you and what do you play?
Second one the right looks a little like Rick Harrison :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:35 pm
by Browndog
That would be me. I play the harmonica mostly and a little tambourine while interacting with the crowd.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:45 pm
by Browndog
Ok, back home and back building on the boat.

Got the clamshell fitting installed over top of the anchor locker thru hull.

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Also got the motorwell drain reinstalled, so now everything is on the transom except for the clamshell fitting for the sonar transducer wire, which I will put on once the Sonar transducer is adjusted when the boat is splashed for the first test run.

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Got the excess fiberglass cloth cut off the rubrails and the inwales and I sanded the rubrail edge. Also used the angle grinder to cut off the bottom part of the lift up cleats for the aft gunwale so that they fit better.

On Sunday and Monday I hope to wrap up a few more details so that I can deliver the boat on Tuesday or Wednesday for the Yamaha 115 four stroke, Digital Gauge, Digital Throttle, Ignition and Steering to get installed and hooked up.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2018 11:11 pm
by Dutch1
Looks great! What color is that?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:32 am
by cape man
She has a really fancy rear end! Looks awesome.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:20 am
by Jeff
Browndog, really well done!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:08 am
by Browndog
The color is Awlgrip Aquamist.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:53 pm
by peter-curacao
That looks awesome 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:43 am
by Browndog
Got back last night from Apalachicola. We had a great time down there. The shows went well.

Worked on the boat this morning. Sanded the bottom edge of the inwales to take off the sharp fiberglass edge and round it over a little bit. Then I added some small filler pieces on the aft edges of the inwale to tie them in to some of the gunwale supports and strengthen them with some fillets and fiberglass tape and cloth. Also had to fill in a couple of gaps with fiberglass cloth on the very front where the inwales meet the foredeck. Used the extra filleting material to fill some screw holes and a couple of gaps in the gutters.

Used the excess epoxy to give a very light coat to the foredeck, the gunwales and the rubrails to help fill the weave a bit.

I hope to do some priming tonight, want to put a second coat on the bottoms of the hatches.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:02 pm
by Browndog
Some pictures of what I did earlier today. Going to go to dinner with the inlaws, so no more boat work tonight.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:06 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, as always, really nice progress!! Hope you and the band did well over the weekend!!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:31 pm
by Browndog
This morning I cleaned up the work from yesterday then did some sanding, fairing and started priming the undersides of the hatches, the gunwales, foredeck and the rubrails.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:22 am
by pee wee
Wow! Keep that up and you're going to run out of things to do on her, and it's going to look really good!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:44 pm
by Browndog
This morning I used quick fair to fair the motorwell and the rear casting deck, the aft part of the front casting deck and some parts of the rubrail and a little bit of the inside hull on the aft port side. This afternoon, I sanded all of the areas that were faired in the morning. After a quick vacuuming of the cockpit and decks, I temporarily installed the two inspection plates, the raw water washdown hose & outlet and the battery charger remote plug in.

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I also partially installed the cockpit drains, but had a hell of a time getting them in place due to the hose’s inflexibility. It is really a two person job with one person pulling on the hose while the other pushes the cockpit drain in place and secures them with screws into the sole.

Put all of the hatch lids back into the boat.

Taking the boat tomorrow morning to the local Yamaha dealer to get the F115 motor, throttle, ignition switch, and gauges installed. Also having them hook up the hydraulic steering as well.

I never got to adjust the trailer bunks, so I will probably have them do that as well while they have the boat. Going to be gone for a few days with my brother on our annual Arkansas White River trip.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:11 pm
by Jeff
As always Browndog, really nice work!! Enjoy your trip!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:01 pm
by Browndog
Thanks Jeff.

Took the boat this morning and dropped it off at the local Yamaha dealer to get the F115 motor, digital gauge, electronic shift and throttle and ignition installed. They are also going to finish installing the hydraulic steering and help me with a couple other things like adjusting the trailer bunks.

Took advantage of the early morning light to take a couple of pictures too.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:21 pm
by narfi
Looks good!
Funny how it takes a person in the frame before it looks as big as it really is.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:48 pm
by OrangeQuest
other than looking naked without a motor it really looks great!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:26 am
by TomW1
Man that boat is going to fly with that 115 on it. A C19 has a top speed of 42 or 43 with a 115 on it. Your basically starting off with 600 lbs less hull weight. I am going to estimate above 50 mph, did a rough run through 1 of my calculators. If you don't have a double layer of fiber glass on the bottom I would back off to a 90, you will still have a top speed in mid-40's. It will depend of course of the final weight of your boat as it leaves the dock.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:20 am
by cape man
Somehow I doubt he's going to back off to a 90 8) she's gorgeous!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:23 am
by Browndog
Thanks Tom.

Yes, I think it will be speedy. The bottom has been reinforced some. The boat though will be on the heavy side because every exposed surface has been covered in fiberglass. Guessing the boat will make low to mid 40s.

My Carbon/Kevlar Egret 189 which is about the same size has a top end of 52 mph with the Yamaha 150 four stroke.

The 90 and the 115 are based on the same block and weigh about the same. Different tuning.

Will do some performance testing and let everyone know what the actual numbers are.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:56 am
by topwater
Oh you are going to get well into the 40's . I know my NV 23 is heavier than your FS and with a 115 and the right prop
she will do 35 mph. Boat should be a blast on smooth water 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:28 pm
by TomW1
Browndog that Egret is quite a boat. It is also heavier and has more draft than your FS19. So take that into account when considering speeds. If you would like I can run your boat through my calculators to find a prop to start with when looking for a prop.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:19 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
The boat looks amazing, fantastic job.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:46 pm
by peter-curacao
Browndog wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:23 am

Yes, I think it will be speedy. The bottom has been reinforced some. The boat though will be on the heavy side because every exposed surface has been covered in fiberglass. Guessing the boat will make low to mid 40s.

I won't worry too much Jacques over design his boats anyway, so the extra 25 HP won't hurt it, I hang a 300 on my cs while the advice is 250 for a single. never had problems, no guts no glory :D , Tom is often to theoretically which is good but also could be boring from time to time, if you read this no offense Tom 8)

Edit: Boat looks fantastic btw

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:59 pm
by Browndog
Thanks everyone for the compliments on the boat.

Tom, thanks for the offer to suggest a prop. Happy to accept your advice.

Pete, thanks for the support.

The boat as designed has a max HP rating of 115 and I have added reinforcement to the hull, so not too worried. The performance trials will tell if the boat acts squirrelly at higher speeds.

The riggers had a couple questions and issues today. Nothing major. Had to swap out the throttle for a mechanical one due to a compatibility problem. May add a few days if they have to order parts.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:13 pm
by peter-curacao
Browndog wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:59 pm Pete, thanks for the support.
The boat as designed has a max HP rating of 115
Whoops! I didn't look up the specs :oops: , this makes me even wondering more why Tom try's to talk you down to a 90 HP, :doh: doesn't make sense to me

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:41 pm
by TomW1
Peter it has to do with the pressure on the bottom. At 52 with the 115 the pressure is 2-3 times what the 90 would generate at 45 mph. It is just a matter of hydrodynamics. But since he reinforced the bottom I am not worried. :D

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:49 pm
by TomW1
Browndog I will give you a list of things I need to determine your prop size tomorrow.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:42 pm
by TomW1
Duplicate posted before finished.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:45 pm
by TomW1
Okay Browndog here we go. Let us start with the hull. Jacques lists the hull weight as 625lbs. You say you added extra fiberglass so give me the total new weight of the hull. I also usually include 200 lbs. for the weight of gauges, wiring, cables, fittings and other miscellaneous things. Then how much gas at 6.4lbs per gallon. I have the motor specs but give me the weight you have to double check. Now we have her ready to run let's get her loaded. Anchor and safety gear. Weight of people. I usually allow 200 for coolers, ice, food beer, sodas and fishing gear but if you think it is more or less say so. Now a big add on water for bait tanks or/and fish tanks at 9.6lbs per gallon. So let's form a little chart.

Hull weight
Miscellaneous , guages wiring etc 200 lbs
Gas at 6.4lbs per gal
Motor weight
Anchor and safety gear
People
Coolers,ice fishing gear,etc. 200
Gal of water for bait wells or fish wells at 9.6 lbs if you use it all the time if you use it only occasionally we will calculate without it.

Total

Weight is the most important part of the calculations, so the closer we can get the better estimate
we will get for your prop. We are trying to get your boat weight as it leaves the dock.

I just finished reproping PangaRons Panga 25 and he actually took his to a truck scale with a full load of fuel. So we had a very accurate weight.

Ask if you have any questions.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:13 pm
by peter-curacao
TomW1 wrote: Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:41 pm Peter it has to do with the pressure on the bottom. At 52 with the 115 the pressure is 2-3 times what the 90 would generate at 45 mph. It is just a matter of hydrodynamics.
Tom
Yes I know, but don't you think the designer took that in account when he rated this boat at max 115HP even without the extra reinforcement? That's why I don't understand you talked him towards 90 HP earlier but maybe I'm missing something, we need more power arch arch arch 8) 8)
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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:37 pm
by jacquesmm
I think the two of you are correct. In the notes, I say that the standard lamination is OK for the 75 or 90 and for the max. 115, I specify one more layer of glass. I have to check, I don't have the plans here but that is what I had in mind.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:46 pm
by peter-curacao
jacquesmm wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:37 pm I think the two of you are correct. In the notes, I say that the standard lamination is OK for the 75 or 90 and for the max. 115, I specify one more layer of glass. I have to check, I don't have the plans here but that is what I had in mind.
Yes that makes sense 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:14 pm
by cape man
What color are you painting inside? Assume white since the console is. Pattie really likes the outside.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:40 am
by Browndog
Yes, the decks, sole, top sides and rubrails will all be primed and then painted white. A white PVC rubrail will be placed at the bottom of the wooden rubrail and a stainless steel insert added. The NAV lights will be integral with the rubrail. After everything is done white Kiwi Grip will be applied as a nonskid to the decks, sole and gunwales.

The console really turned out nice. The guys rigging the motor really liked the console too. The console, swim step and Anchor holder are all parts that I fabricated that really give the boat a custom touch. Very proud about how they turned out.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:45 am
by glossieblack
Browndog wrote: Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:40 am Very proud about how they turned out.
And rightly so. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:11 am
by Jeff
You should be proud Browndog!! Great build with nice customization!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:36 am
by cape man
Your kayaks told me this boat was going to be awesome... and she's that and more. Really nice when the pros take notice as well. My best compliments are when someone in the industry takes notice. I may copy your swim platform when I repaint the OD18. Two things I wished I'd done...swim platform and spray rails.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 10:20 am
by Eric1
Browndog, I haven't posted on your thread in a while. Sorry about that, Just taking a small break from everything boat building. I just want you to know I have enjoyed watching this come together. By you posting, I've learned some things along the way that will help me with my build. I'm looking forward to You and your Brother launching this Boat! :x 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:42 pm
by Browndog
Thanks Eric!

You know what you do when you can’t work on your boat?

The first thing is to look at the garage and think, i better clean this up. Then you think, no, it is too nice out for that. Then you look at the yard and you think, in the last year that I’ve been building the boat the brush and understory trees have about taken over certain spots. So let’s get the chainsaw and pole saw out and start cutting before it gets too warm and buggy.

After two days, you are dog tired and there are piles of brush that need to be hauled to the back yard and burned.

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Then you think, I wonder what they are doing over at the boat yard, let’s go visit with them for awhile and talk boats.

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This is a picture of the motor mounted on the jack plate. The motor is mounted in the top most holes and the hydraulic steering ram just clears the transom. It is about 1 1/2” above the bottom, but with the 5” setback that should be about perfect. All the parts have been ordered and should be received and mounted in place by Friday.

So over the next few days, more tree & brush trimming and hauling. Now I got to order a bunch of fruit trees and bushes and get ready to plant them next.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:52 am
by glossieblack
Enjoy your break from boat building. Then it's nice to come back to. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:07 am
by Jeff
Browndog, she looks great with the motor installed!!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:25 am
by Fair WX Pilot
I bet you can almost taste the finish line now that you see the motor hanging on there! It looks really great.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:51 am
by pee wee
Fair WX Pilot wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:25 am I bet you can almost taste the finish line now that you see the motor hanging on there! It looks really great.
x2. I think there are a lot of us wanting to see this boat in the water! Thanks for letting us watch over your shoulder, and I agree it is looking great. Lucky brother. 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:54 am
by TomW1
I see a prop on the motor What did you decide to go with? The boat looks real good with the motor on her. :D Enjoy your little break from working on her. :lol:

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 1:29 pm
by Browndog
Tom,

I have no idea what the prop is. I did trade them a spare 4 bladed stainless steel prop from my Yamaha F150 motor. I thought we might try that. I’ll find out when I’m there next. It may be just something they put on to check the height, because they were worried that the motor might be a tad high.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:33 pm
by TomW1
Hi Browndog been playing around with some weights of your FS19 and some props. Right now I'm looking at something in the 13-13.5 x 17-19 pitch 3 blade and a 13.25 x 16 or 17 4 blade. Everything will depend on the final weight you come up with. Top speeds will be in the mid to upper 40's.

Ask if you have any questions. I still like looking at your boat.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:59 am
by Browndog
Thanks Tom!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2018 5:43 pm
by Browndog
Stopped by the Boat yard today and they had the ignition switch installed, the digital gauges installed and the throttle installed in the console and were hooking everything up in back at the motor. Should be done tomorrow or Saturday morning.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:45 am
by pee wee
That's a sweet looking console!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:01 am
by Jeff
Fully agree with Pee wee plus I really like the "Custom" Evans Brothers FS 19!!!! Very nice, Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 4:28 pm
by TomW1
Great looking console Browndog.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:28 pm
by OrangeQuest
Very good looking console! If you got little kids/grand kids they could play all day flipping switches and turning knobs!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:21 pm
by Browndog
The motor installation is complete, steering and gauges are installed and the trailer bunks have been adjusted. A couple of small issues. First the knob on the steering will came off due to a defective weld. WIll have to figure out who can weld the interior bolt back on to the steering wheel or come up with an alternative solution. The spare tire holder does not provide enough clearance for the tire to be mounted while the boat is on the trailer, rendering it ineffective. Again, trying to figure a workaround.

The boat just barely fits in the garage now that the motor is installed after moving some stuff around to give it some extra room. I definitely will not be able to walk around the rear of the boat anymore.

The adjusted bunks make the boat look way better on the trailer.

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Tom, I believe the power tech propeller that the local folks are recommending is the MQF3R19PYM90. How does that mesh up with your preliminary thinking?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:48 pm
by seaslug
Jordy, your boat looks incredible, and finished in only 1 year, pretty impressive. I've enjoyed following your build, and look forward to seeing it in person one day, possibly at the October meet. Also looking forward to reports on performance, I know it will exceed all expectations. Mike

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2018 9:55 pm
by Browndog
Still got a bunch of fairing, sanding, priming, painting, and installation of hardware to complete. It is almost done. Could be used for performance testing if necessary, but probably will not run tests until everything is finished.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:30 am
by Jaysen
Look for a “wheel spacer” to move the spare further out from the frame. Pretty common in off-road and small car customization to allow wider wheels.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:13 pm
by TomW1
Browndog the MQF is the same as the Mercury Black Max and is pretty much a straight forward prop with out much rake or cup. I was thinking of the RED3 http://www.ptprop.com/index.php?page=shop. _details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=63&category_id=24&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=46 the NRS3
http://www.ptprop.com/index.php?page=sh ... &Itemid=46
the PTR3 http://www.ptprop.com/index.php?page=sh ... &Itemid=46

These are the three I am thinking of for you. It will depend on what you are going to use your boat for. They will all work, but the Red3 is probably the best all around prop of the 3. A 19 pitch would be fine if your on the light side of my weight calculations. We will know for sure when we get the final weight calculations done.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:21 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
The boat looks great sitting on the trailer outside in the sun. Will certainly turn some heads at the dock.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:33 pm
by Browndog
Thanks Tom!

on Friday, I went to Harbor Freight and bought a new Plunge Router to use for recessing the hinges. After an initial struggle with a base plate screw that would not come out that I then proceeded to strip and then have to drill out, then retap for a replacement screw which all put me in a foul mood. My mood changed in a hurry though as I was able to use the new router and a template that I had made to router out all of the recesses for the hinges, and a trim router to rout out the hinge barrel recesses in a marathon three hour session! Worked great, got everything done in one day. Thought it might take me several days to do them all.

The following pictures show the hinge work.

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Tomorrow I need to vacuum out and then wash out the boat because of all of the sawdust that I made today and all of the other dirt and pollen that accumulated in the boat while at the boat yard. The pine trees here are really throwing off a lot of pollen right now and anything left outside for even a short time just gets covered in a sticky greenish yellow film.

After cleaning everything up I will fill all of the screw holes that I left behind from screwing the hinge template to the hatches and decks and then get back to work on fairing the decks and the interior of the hull in preparation for priming everything.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2018 8:42 pm
by cape man
Those hinges are going to look great.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:51 am
by Browndog
Vacuumed everything up first thing this morning. Then got all of the hinge cut outs coated with epoxy. Filled all of the screw holes with EZ fillet. Also used the fillet material and epoxy on some holes that were cut in the motor well for the rigging of the motor. Used the fillet material with a syringe to inject some filler around and below the bow lifting cleat. Drilled out the holes for the high speed pickups too and coated them with epoxy. Getting this prep work done now. Will do some washing up probably tomorrow.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 1:49 pm
by cape man
It amazed me how long those little jobs take at the end, while all you want is that final paint job and a launch. Going to be a gorgeous boat. You should think about a rack or some kind of cradle for the Yaks. Haul ass to the fishing grounds and sneak in with Yaks. I struggled with trying the same with my cedar strip canoe, but at 85 pounds it was too much to handle easily on the water.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:30 pm
by TomW1
TomW1 wrote: Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:45 pm Okay Browndog here we go. Let us start with the hull. Jacques lists the hull weight as 625lbs. You say you added extra fiberglass so give me the total new weight of the hull. I also usually include 200 lbs. for the weight of gauges, wiring, cables, fittings and other miscellaneous things. Then how much gas at 6.4lbs per gallon. I have the motor specs but give me the weight you have to double check. Now we have her ready to run let's get her loaded. Anchor and safety gear. Weight of people. I usually allow 200 for coolers, ice, food beer, sodas and fishing gear but if you think it is more or less say so. Now a big add on water for bait tanks or/and fish tanks at 9.6lbs per gallon. So let's form a little chart.

Hull weight
Miscellaneous , guages wiring etc 200 lbs
Gas at 6.4lbs per gal
Motor weight
Anchor and safety gear
People
Coolers,ice fishing gear,etc. 200
Gal of water for bait wells or fish wells at 9.6 lbs if you use it all the time if you use it only occasionally we will calculate without it.

Total

Weight is the most important part of the calculations, so the closer we can get the better estimate
we will get for your prop. We are trying to get your boat weight as it leaves the dock.

I just finished reproping PangaRons Panga 25 and he actually took his to a truck scale with a full load of fuel. So we had a very accurate weight.

Ask if you have any questions.

Tom
Browndog you can go ahead and work up the weight numbers any time. Your so close to finishing. Maybe when you have a week to let the paint dry between primer and finish coats maybe. :D That way when your paint is dry you will have a prop to try. :D

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:36 am
by Browndog
Tom,

Thanks again for your help. Here are my estimates for all the numbers when fully loaded:

Hull, Console & Leaning Post weight - 850 lbs, every exposed surface in and out is fiberglassed. I added 35%.

Fuel - 35 gallons = 224 lbs.

Motor - 386 lbs.

People - 4 X 200 = 800 lbs.

Coolers - 45 Qts & 75 Qts. & ice = 190 lbs.

LIvewell & baitwell when full of water - 325 lbs.

Fishing Gear - 150 lbs

ANchor, chain rode & safety gear - 75lbs.

Miscellaneous - 250 lbs

Total - 3251

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:34 pm
by TomW1
Okay Browndog give me a couple of days. That is a lot more weight than I expected.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:46 pm
by Browndog
Cape man, you are right on. These “little jobs” turn in to time hogs in a hurry. The steering wheel knob that broke, I fixed this afternoon with $1.00 worth of parts and 10 minutes of assembly, but it took me two hours to go to two different hardware stores to eventually find all of the stuff I needed.

This morning I put in the two high speed pickups on the bottom and mated them up with backing blocks and sea cocks on the interior. The thru hull and the sea cock are both bronze. I found some bronze screws when I was in Florida for the Boat builder Get together for the exterior high speed pick-ups. But for the life of me I can not find any bronze machine screws for the sea cocks to tap into the brass inserts of the backing blocks and I live on the coast in an area where there is a large boating community and industry. I know there is some danger of galvanic corrosion if I mix metals and use stainless steel screws, but I’m fed-up looking for these 6 screws. What have you guys done when confronted with this issue?

I also sanded and faired most of the interior tape seams at the chine to hull joint this morning.

Will try to finish fairing the small section of the hull to chine tape seams that I couldn’t get to today tomorrow.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:53 pm
by Fuzz
I have found Jamestown Fasteners to be a great source for silicon bronze.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:03 pm
by Browndog
Thanks Fuzz! Will look them up.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:08 pm
by seaslug
There is also a product called Tef-Gel that's used for this purpose. I used it on the threads of stainless machine screws for the aluminum mast steps on my sailboat.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:09 am
by topwater
I also use tef-gel on dissimilar metals ... good stuff . Check Top Notch fasteners on line for your machine bolts if Jamestown doesn't have them .

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:41 pm
by TomW1
Browndog a question on your weights. Do you fill your bait and live wells every time you go out or just occasionally. Your FS19 is about 600lbs over what I was expecting. The PG25 I just propped weighed 2950lbs and was set up like yours add 2 men to it and it would weigh 3350lbs. A NV23 I propped weighed 3400lbs.

Your figures make sense so don't worry about that. Just wondering about the water weights. With that much weight your speed it going to go down quite a bit a guess is upper 30's.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:59 pm
by Browndog
Tom,

The weights I gave you are pretty much at maximum displacement, or worst case scenario. The answer to your questions is no, most of the time the boat will be loaded much lighter. The baitwell is more likely to be used than the livewell. If dead bait is used than the baitwell would be empty. If the livewell is used then the larger of the two coolers would not be used and therefore you can subtract 80 lbs. of ice. In most cases the boat would be used with two or three people, 4 or more on a rare occasion and then probably not for fishing.

Most of the time, I would expect the more reasonable displacement to be closer to the 2500-2700 lbs. range.
Subtract One person = 200 lbs.
Subtract the Livewell water = about 200 lbs.
Less fishing gear, food, drinks, ice, bait, clothes and gear, less than a full tank of fuel = 100 - 200 lbs.

Interestingly, on my Flats skiff the difference between operating it alone or with three other people, the top speed only changes by about 4 or 5 MPHs.

Again, I appreciate your help.

Regards,
Jordy

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:55 pm
by TomW1
Good Jordy that makes more sense. It is best to prop your FS19 the way you are going to use it most of the time. If you slow down 4-5 miles an hour fully loaded then that is ok. So I will do the calculations with the weight at 2650lbs. This should get you back into the very low 40mph's I believe.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:10 pm
by TomW1
Browndog here are my results. At 2650lbs a 3 blade prop should be 13 or 13.25 x 17. Your top speed will be in the low 40's. As far as props go the RED3 from PTprops is a good choice it has a moderate rake and cup with a small amount of stern lift for that heavy motor and the water. Yamaha sells a Turbo 1 with more rake and cup. This was my favorite prop until Yamaha bought out Precision Propeller and I could no longer get any to prop with them. It provides total lift. They are both good all purpose props. This company charges $50 per exchange http://www.ptpropeller.com/content-prod ... amaha.html

Make sure you can exchange the prop in case I'm off by an inch one way or the other.

Also you might want to get an aluminum prop for the break in period and keep it as a spare. That will avoid any dings on your new SS and keep you from exchanging it. For an aluminum get a 13 x 16. They are less efficient.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:34 am
by Browndog
Thanks Tom!

The last few days have been spent fairing the interior of the boat hull. The tape seams between the sole, deck, gunwale supports and the sides were the first thing I did. Then I moved on to the fore deck, gunwales and rubrails, the rear casting deck, front casting deck and finally today the sole of the cockpit. About 98% done with the first round of fairing. Fairing pictures don’t show much, but I’ll post a couple anyways.

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Tomorrow I’ll start sanding where I faired everything and see what needs to be touched up before priming.

Also started the registration process. Did the online registration and then called the game warden to schedule an inspection so that I can get a Hull Identification number. Hopefully in the next few days, that will happen.

In the midst of all that, I had my best round of golf ever yesterday. Shot a 71! Lots of fun with my buddies here.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:09 am
by Jeff
Great golfing Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:38 pm
by KENBOUCHER
Browndog, thank you for all the great explanations and pics, they have really helped me visualize the steps. Im about halfway thru your thread and cant wait to see the end result!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:16 pm
by TomW1
Jordy glad to help. Once you have the motor broken in and the SS on her let me know what is happening. We want to max out at full throttle around 6000 rpms. Your max is 6300 so anything between 6000 and 6300 is fine at full throttle. If your not reaching that we will need to go down an inch in pitch. If your going over that you will need to go up and inch in pitch. It all depends on all close you are on your on weight.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:20 am
by Browndog
Spent almost two hours yesterday morning sanding the areas in the cockpit and front casting deck that I had faired last week. Looked like snow in the garage with the sun coming in the windows. Need to vacuum some dust up and then will spend some more time this morning sanding again. Taking a break mid morning to go to the boat show in Savannah.

Pictures don’t show much at this stage. Just hoping to get enough done that I can start priming the interior this week.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 2:32 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, when you have time, I would like to get your opinion on how good the Boat Show is in Savanah this year. We are trying to put together an annual Boat show schedule with 4 to 6 shows per year. Just need to make sure the show fits our “wooden boat building” and fishing needs!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:50 pm
by Browndog
Jeff,

The Savannah Boat Show is a nice, but kind of small show. It is primarily local area boat dealers getting together to highlight the line of boats that they carry and try to sell some boats. It is at a nice location across and on the river from downtown Savannah. There were definitely more people at the show this year than last, and a few more vendors too. The prices of the boats seemed like they were good. Some low, some high, but dealers seemed willing to deal.

The size range of boats were from 13-33 Ft. Everything was pretty much trailerable with boats in the 20-25 ft range being most common. On the smaller side there were a few small skiffs and powered canoes, there was a Solo Skiff there and an aluminum 17 foot long boat that looked just like the FS-18, by Cast & Blast Boats. But not a lot of small stuff.

I think the market here definitely overlaps your product line. If I were to highlight designs or what boats to bring to the show I would think the, SK-14, FS-18, FS-19, PH-18, PH-23, and CS23/25 would all be excellent choices and look like the boats that were for sale. You would be the only home built boat company in attendance at this show. What is not at the show? There were no sailboats, very few if any kayaks or canoes, and just a few jet ski type products. It was primarily center console boats with an emphasis on bay boats.

You probably have a good sense of where your customers reside and your database could be mined to get a sense for what geographies are most likely to purchase from you and then target those areas. If Savannah fits, we would love to see you and I would be happy to help in whatever way I can.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 6:47 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, thank you for the info!!! Very helpful and I will look into the boat show promoter for the Savannah show next year!! May give you a call once I have more detail from the promoter. Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:50 am
by Browndog
Got round 2 of fairing done this morning. Touched up some spots from the first go around, hit some spots that I hadn’t done and some that I had overlooked. Will do some sanding this afternoon after the quick Fair hardens enough. The Game Warden is supposed to stop by tonight to do the inspection for the Hull Identification Number.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:29 pm
by Browndog
Was sanding the Quick Fair that I applied this morning when the game warden came over to do the Hull Identification number inspection. He was super nice and it turns out he lives across the river from me, just down the road on Harris Neck. He will be getting an invite to our launch party next month.

Got a little more sanding to do before the big clean up and then Priming and Painting.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:52 pm
by OrangeQuest
Browndog wrote: Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:29 pm Was sanding the Quick Fair that I applied this morning when the game warden came over to do the Hull Identification number inspection. He was super nice and it turns out he lives across the river from me, just down the road on Harris Neck. He will be getting an invite to our launch party next month.

Got a little more sanding to do before the big clean up and then Priming and Painting.
Did he give you your ID#?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:49 am
by Browndog
Not yet on the Identification number. The process here in Georgia is to go online and start the boat registration process, which I did a week or two ago. That gives you a temporary two month registration number. Then you have to submit either on line or in the mail proof of ownership, a Manufacturers’s certificate of origin and a Hull identification number if you didn’t fill in those parts online. The Game Warden comes out and does an inspection, mainly just confirming that yes it is indeed home built and not a stolen boat getting a remake. They then enter information online and that is what I am waiting for now.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:26 am
by Jeff
Browndog, Sounds like GA has a pretty reasonable registration process, agree?? Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 9:37 am
by Browndog
Jeff,

Yes, the Georgia registration is pretty straightforward. It is a non title state for boats, so things are a bit looser here than in some of the other states I’ve lived.

I completeted the third round of sanding and then a bit of touch up fairing this morning on the cockpit sole, rear and front decks and interior hull sides. I’m hoping to be priming again maybe tomorrow.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 12:31 pm
by Browndog
The first coat of primer was applied to the foredeck this morning.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:27 pm
by cape man
Yep! Looking good Jordy!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 1:35 pm
by Jeff
Really nice Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2018 4:53 pm
by TomW1
Jordy looking good

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:26 pm
by Browndog
There is now one coat of primer on 95% of the boat and two coats on 40% of the boat.

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Hope to finish priming on Sunday morning.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 3:01 pm
by Fuzz
Looking very nice there Jordy.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2018 4:15 pm
by Jeff
Nice Jordy!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 5:38 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Beautiful work :D
I hope to get to see the boat some day...

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 8:40 pm
by OrangeQuest
Your boat is crazy good looking!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:33 am
by willg
Very,very nice!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:25 am
by Bogieman
Looking really good!

Bogie

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:35 pm
by Browndog
Thanks guys for the compliments and the encouragement. Got another round of primer done this morning. Now there are two coats of primer on 90% of the boat and just one coat on everything else. Mainly just the top side of the hatches have only one coat. The bottom side of the hatches already had two or more coats of primer on them. I’m about out of primer. I probably have enough for just one little batch which should be just enough to finish everything.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:52 am
by Jeff
Really nice work Browndog!! Your brother is going to receive a true family built prize possession!!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:34 pm
by cape man
Yeah Baby! Lookin' great!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:21 pm
by Browndog
Got the rest of the primer work done first thing this morning. There are a couple of spots that I will touch up with some quick fair and then on to painting. Went out this afternoon and got the painting supplies and some hardware I needed to wrap things up. This week will be painting week!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:31 am
by icelikkilinc
Very nicely done even on primer stage, well done.
What is the time required between primer to final coat of paint?
Some paints require a 1 week to fully cure prior to final coat application.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 6:31 am
by OrangeQuest
Looking very good!

Good luck on having a productive "Painting week".

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:20 am
by Browndog
The System Three SIlvertip Yacht Primer is fully cured after 24 hours @ 77 deg. F according to their literature and website.

Most of the hull will have been cured for longer than that by the time the topcoat is applied. I’ll start on the fore deck, front casting deck, rubrails and gunwales and work my way back.

Cold here this morning so I decided to wait until the garage could heat up a little bit before painting this morning. Going to do the two little bits of fairing first thing.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 9:28 am
by pee wee
Looking really good. Getting closer every day!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:45 am
by Browndog
Did some faring this morning to touch up some spots. It’s like eating a potato chip, you just can’t have one. So I found a bunch more spots to do. Which kept me from doing some of the painting I was planning on doing.

What I did instead was to paint all of the gunwales, rubrails and inwales with the first coat of System Three LPU Orcas white. I also did all of the hatch gutters and hatch lips except the motor well. A lot of the time consuming detail stuff got done today which is nice.

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This evening I might do another painting session and try to get the hatch lids with one coat on the bottom.

I will sand the fairing material tomorrow morning and see what needs to be done next.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 7:48 pm
by Browndog
Got a little painting session in this evening. Coated all of the hatch lids with one coat on the bottom of the lids. Had some extra so I coated the starboard side gunwale and rubrail again as well as about a third of the rear casting deck.

Will do a little bit of painting in the morning and then another session tomorrow afternoon. Really want to knock out the painting this week as much as possible.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:10 pm
by Jeff
Very nice Browndog!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:22 pm
by Browndog
Three painting sessions in today.

It looks like everything will need at least 4 coats of the System Three WR- LPU Orcas White to get good coverage over the gray Silvertip Yacht primer.

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I’m going to have to order at least another quart. There is about a quart left of the Gallon I started with and it will not be enough to finish the cockpit decks and hull interior.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:14 am
by Browndog
Got a nice painting session in this morning and ordered another quart of the System three paint.

The rubrails, gunwales and inwales are pretty much done. Same with the foredeck. The undersides of the hatches have four coats and they are done too. Will flip them over and start on the top tomorrow. I got the second coat on the rear casting deck and the first coat on the front casting deck and the interior of the hullsides. A first coat was also applied to the cockpit floor on the bow side of the console.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:57 am
by OrangeQuest
Thought it looked really good before all the paint but some how it now looks even better! Very well done! Once on the water lots of people will want to know where you bought it!! :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:07 pm
by Reid
Looking really nice!!!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:53 pm
by Bogieman
Looks great!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2018 2:36 pm
by TomW1
Jordy really starting to shine!

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:07 am
by Browndog
Ran out of paint this morning. Two more quarts ordered.

The whole boat now has at least one application of topcoat. Will start installing the vinyl rubrail and other deck hardware while I wait for the paint to arrive.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 11:21 am
by pee wee
Looking purty!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:30 am
by Browndog
While I’m waiting for the paint I ordered to arrive, I’ve been busy dry fitting all of the deck hardware, fabricating some brackets to hold the fire extinguisher, flares and signal horn inside the console and installing the rubrail. Also got a little fishing in.

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My buddy Brad with a couple of the bigger sheepshead we caught. About to be cleaned in my kitchen. My wife and I had one of the fillets for dinner. We ate one half of one fillet. They were good sized!

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My wife was helping me hold the vinyl rubrail up this morning so that I could install it. It sped things up considerably from what I was doing yesterday. I am waiting now for my friend Lou to come over to help me install the other half. Once it is installed I will then install the stainless steel insert and the Nav lights.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:43 am
by Jeff
Nice catch and the boat is looking great!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:16 am
by Dougster
Boy those are some big sheepshead! I've never caught them much. It's a 3 hour trip at least for me to get to the gulf and I always end up chasing specs and reds. Maybe need to rethink that :)

Dougster

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:36 am
by OrangeQuest
Boat is looking good and glad to hear all the "detail" work you are doing. I missed breakfast so them fish looking mighty tasty!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:50 pm
by Browndog
Got the Semi rigid vinyl rubrail 100% installed.The stainless steel insert is 90% installed. I’ve got to figure out how to make the bend around the transom corners. The NAV lights are dryfitted, got to seal the holes with epoxy and wire everything up.

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A close up of the NAV lights:

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:03 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, really nice work and I like the color of your paint!!! Still waiting for your Orcas White!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 3:24 pm
by Jeff
Browndog, really nice work and I like the color of your paint!!! Still waiting for your Orcas White!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:31 pm
by Browndog
Been crossing things off of the to do list while waiting for the paint to arrive. I rasped the holes for the cup holders to the correct size and I sealed all of the raw wood edges with a couple coats of epoxy. Got all of the hardware dry fitted and bolt holes drilled and sealed. Finished fabricating the fire extinguisher bracket and the flares/air horn holder and then sealed all of the edges and unfinsihed wood with epoxy.

Tonight I taped off the gunwales and foredeck for applying the Kiwi Grip non skid. I’ve got to still cut a radius around stuff.

Going to be tied up a bunch the next couple of days. Hopefully I can sneak a little boat work in there too.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:02 pm
by Bogieman
I have been following your build. What a nice thing you are doing for your brother! Your boat looks better than a production model. You should be proud.

Bogie

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:59 am
by willg
Browndog, your boat looks awesome.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:14 pm
by Browndog
Thanks guys for the nice comments.

Got most of the stainless bolts, washers and nuts today to install all of the gunwale hardware.

Last night I taped the gunwales and foredeck off and this afternoon I applied white Kiwi Grip to the gunwales. Hard to see in the photos, but it really takes it up a notch!

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The paint is on its way! Should be here early next week. Once I get it, I will finish painting the interior and then after waiting a few days I will apply the kiwi grip. Still got a few other odds and ends that will keep me busy and my wife’s cousin, husband and son will be here next week for spring break, so there won’t be as much boat building probably going on.

Big weekend here with a celebration at the golf course tonight and parade tomorrow. The band is playing in the park tomorrow afternoon and evening.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:01 pm
by OrangeQuest
Very nice touch going around all the SS. It did take it up a notch.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:12 pm
by TomW1
Looking good guy. Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 8:14 pm
by Jeff
Really nice work with the KiwiGrip!! The boat is really going to be nice!!! Have a good weekend!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2018 2:11 pm
by Eric1
That looks Dang Nice!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 10:01 am
by Browndog
Working off of the punch list, got three things done this morning.

First I finished installing the stainless steel insert around the transom corners and installed end caps on the inside of the transom.

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Then I installed the fabricated shelf and bracket inside the console to hold the air horn, flares and emergency signal kit and the fire extinguisher.

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Finally, I got the seacocks installed and all of the plumbing completed.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:00 am
by Jeff
Nice Browndog!!! Did you guys have a good turnout for the band last night?? Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:02 am
by Browndog
The band played twice on Saturday. Right after the parade and then again at night. We had a good turnout after the parade as we were playing in the vendor area where there were rides for the kids and food, etc. That night it got buggy, lots of sand gnats, until the wind started blowing and then it got cold. People were huddling under blankets, so the crowd was a little thin.

I’m hoping to get all of the painting done by the end of this week and then tackle the last of the finishing tasks like mounting hinges and latches, hardware, etc. Then give the paint a few days before taping it up to do the Kiwi-Grip. Going to have to do a deep clean too. Get it all shiny.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:52 am
by cape man
I see a launch in your near future...

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:25 am
by Jeff
Good stuff Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:21 am
by Browndog
No boat building yesterday, but the paint and primer I ordered arrived while I was gone. Will be using it shortly. The reason I did not work on the boat is because the Men’s Golf group I am part of traveled to the Okefenokee Country Club near Waycross, GA to play in the Southeast Georgia Senior inter club tournament being held there. It was 43 degrees F, raining and windy when we teed off but the day brightened for me after hole #17. That’s because I got my first ever hole in one!. The 17 th hole was playing at 111 yards yesterday over a pond to an elevated green. I used my gap wedge to hit a high draw and the ball landed to the right of the hole. Because of the draw the ball spun to the left towards and then into the hole.

Shortly after I got home, my wife’s cousin and her family arrived and we stayed up a bit to celebrate their arrival and my accomplishment.

They are going sight seeing today in Savannah and I will use the time to paint and plant some berry bushes that also arrived yesterday.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:07 am
by OrangeQuest
A hole in one on a cold windy day!!! Congratulations on beating the odds!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:02 pm
by Jeff
Congrats Browndog!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:33 pm
by Browndog
Thanks guys. Got a coat of white paint on the interior of the boat today after vacuuming the boat again. It is amazing how much dust and hair and other detritus ends up in the boat after a very short while. After painting, I planted my 4 blackberry & 4 raspberry bushes and the two loquat trees I received. Tomorrow is my wife’s Birthday so boat building will probably take a back seat unless she wants to sleep in. When I do get back to it either tomorrow or Thursday I will put on a couple more coats of the white paint and then I’ll start touching up the few exterior blemishes I have from the build process.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:50 am
by Browndog
Everybody slept in this morning but me, so I was able to get a good hour of painting in on the boat. Got the front and rear casting decks painted, the front and rear bulkheads and all of the hatches got a third coat.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:25 am
by poleposition
Browndog wrote: Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:33 pm . After painting, I planted my 4 blackberry & 4 raspberry be two loquat trees I received.
I realize this is off topic, but what kind of raspberry bushes are you planting that can survive the heat / humidity in S. Georgia, and do you get any fruit from them?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:48 am
by Browndog
Bogieman,

The two varieties of Raspberries that I planted are Dorman and Autumn Bliss. Both were ordered from the Nursery at Tyty, GA. They are varieties especially bred for the heat and humidity of my area.

Took a couple pictures of the boat to show today’s efforts.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:15 pm
by Jeff
As always, really nice!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:58 pm
by Browndog
Got another coat of paint on the atche and on the interior of the hull, cockpit, rear and front bulkhead and front castin deck this morning. Will try to get another coat on the hatches tonight. Getting close to done on the painting and will be installing hardware over the weekend on the gunwales. Will pickup all the fasteners for the hatch lid hinges tomorrow.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:02 pm
by glossieblack
Nice progress!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:08 am
by Browndog
Put another coat of paint on the hatches last night and on the front casting deck and rear bulkhead. I will look at the hatches this morning and decide if they are done or not. I willl also assess the other parts of the boat and figure out what needs another coat besides the cockpit floor. Will do an inventory of the hatch lids to see what screw, nuts and bolts I need to purchase.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:01 pm
by Browndog
Okay, got a little bling for you guys.

Got the screws and bolts I needed to install the hinges and got busy on the rear casting deck this morning. All of the hatches, latches and hinges are now installed. Had to make a few little surgeries here and there to get everything to fit right. Especially the livewell. The friction hinges that I’m using for the livewell are so strong that they ripped the first attempt at screwing the hinges to the hatch lids right out. Had to cut a recess in the hatch lips to accommodate some through bolts. Through bolted them, now they are golden! The friction hinges allow the hatch lid to stay up without a gas strut or spring. Very cool.

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Hopefully I’ll have a similar picture to post after lunch of the front casting deck and foredeck. Tackling them next.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:13 pm
by Fuzz
Clean and neat, one very nice looking deck.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:46 pm
by Jeff
Fully agree with Fuzz, really well laid-out deck!! Nice bling as well!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:00 pm
by Browndog
Thanks guys.

After lunch I got the front casting deck hatches, latches and hinges installed. Also got the anchor locker hatch done on the foredeck.

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Then I painted the interior hull sides, forward and rear bulkheads and cockpit floor. I also sanded a few drips that I will have to touch up with multiple coats of paint to even things out. Thankfully, the to do list is getting smaller!

Done for today. Will wire up and install the NAV and anchor lights tomorrow.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:29 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Very nice work Jordy!
You have built a fantastic boat. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:05 pm
by willg
Dude, you done well.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:19 pm
by Bogieman
When you walk into your garage and see this build you've created with your own hands (and a little help from everyone at Bateau & the forum members) you must be a proud man.

Bogie

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:31 pm
by TomW1
Browndog it looks wonderful. Are we good on the prop. I believe your set.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:13 am
by OrangeQuest
That is one well thought out and built boat! You seem very close to the end of this build....what is next?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 6:28 pm
by glossieblack
Congratulations! 8) 8) 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:57 pm
by Martin R Milton
Browndog,
What a great build, so much to absorb.

I have a couple of questions as I am contemplating a build of the FS17 or OB18 to use on the flats at St. George Island, FL.

First you must be a master carpenter, an engineer or both which is it?

Second, I cannot find where you explained how you cut all those hatches and openings with such perfection. Those are unbelievable. I have searched the forum to no avail for enlightenment on the subject. I would appreciate any info you would share on the subject. I apologize in advance if I missed it on your build thread.

Thank you on behalf of all of us who visit these pages for your sharing your build and congratulations on your masterpiece!
Martin

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:00 pm
by Browndog
Thanks for the support everyone. Yes, it makes me feel good to look at the boat and have a sense of accomplishment in how far the project has come. I’m still nervous about it going in the water. I want everything to work right and for the boat to perform well and most of all not leak somewhere!

Today I was able to get the Anchor light, NAV lights and the cockpit lights wired up. I still have a little bit of wire management and hiding I need to do and also do the final hookup to the bus bar for the cockpit lights and the NAV lights. Will finish up in the morning. Tomorrow I hope to have all the hardware installed too.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:41 pm
by Browndog
Martin,

Thanks for the kind words. I really prefer a boat with flush hatches, hinges and latches. It makes for a nice uncluttered deck with fewer tripping hazards and fewer things to get something snagged on. My brother will probably do some fly fishing from this boat, so I wanted all the cleats and everything else to be low profile to avoid the fly line tangling. The problem with making hatches like this is it adds a lot of time to the build.

The hatches are made similarly to what other builders on the forum have done. I did a search on the forum for the word hatches and browsed through a lot of build threads to get ideas.

The hatch cut lines were drawn on the fiberglassed decks and the straight lines cut with a circular saw and the corners cut with a jig saw. The edges were then all sanded to make them smooth and fair. The gutters are made of 2 X 4’s that are glued under the deck and then a channel is routed into them for the water to hopefully run into and then out the exits. For the compartments that are expected to get wet, I just made flat lips that are glued under the decks as hatch supports. Routing the hinges was done with a template that I made and a plunge router.

I’m not a carpenter or engineer. Just a guy with about average DIY skills and an interest in learning new things. My garage is only equipped with hand held power tools. If I had a table saw and a few other things the build would have been a bit easier. I did add a few tools for the build. An oscillating tool, a random orbit sander, a heat gun and a plunge router. They were worth it. They were all bought at Harbor Freight very cheaply.

Having built two kayaks and a canoe with the stitch and glue, fiberglass, marine plywood and epoxy method prior to this boat really helped me to learn the techniques and gain the confidence to tackle a larger project. In fact the canoe hull was far more difficult to build than this hull. What is difficult on this build is all the finish work. There is a lot of fabrication work and the deck plans were modified to shorten the front casting deck and add to the rear casting deck so that a livewell and baitwell could be incorporated in back. The wiring and plumbing was all new to me. Having a custom dash panel made and having the company that made it wire all the switches saved me lots of time and work on the part of the boat I was least comfortable with. Having the motor and steering installed by the local Yamaha dealer also helped me a bunch. It was also a requirement for the warranty.

Finally the forum has been a big help. Many people here to get advice from and for me to see how things were done on other peoples’ build threads .

Best of luck with your future build. I’m biased, but if you are contemplating the FS 17, might as well step up to the FS 19, it is a lot more boat with greater capacity and will take about the same amount of time to build.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:41 pm
by TomW1
It is sort of sounding like a launch next week end Jordy. :D I can't wait to see your boat on the water. :D

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:50 pm
by Browndog
Tom, the launch party is officially the 15th, but I’m hoping to have it on the water before then if all goes well. Heading out on Monday for the Okefenokee Swamp with my wife for her spring break. So, I’m going to lose almost a week from boat building. I still have about a dozen chores to get done between now and the 15th. A few of which I could put off if necessary, like the three tasks related to the trailer. It’s coming down to the wire that’s for sure.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:57 am
by pee wee
Your build is looking fantastic, Jordy! I echo what Martin said about how we appreciate such detail in your thread, it's a huge help for those who will follow in your footsteps. I just made the permanent move down here, a suitable shop to come soon, my FS-19 build is on the horizon . . unless yours doesn't float! JK, I'm one of many who are very interested in performance reports after the launch. Are you sure you want to let your brother have the boat?!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:34 pm
by Browndog
Hank,

Welcome to the coast as a full timer! Hopefully your build will start soon.

I’m eager for my brother to get his boat so I can get my garage back. This project kind of took over the whole building.

Lots of work done on the boat today. I installed weatherstripping in all of the hatches and all of the hardware in the gunwale was installed. The washdown outlet was reinstalled and a holder for the washdown hosewas added. On the rear bulkhead I also installed a grab rail for passengers that might use the front of the rear casting deck as a seat while underway. The battery charger inlet also got permanently reinstalled as did the inspection ports. Also put the air horn, flares and fire extinguisher in their place inside the console

The anchor light, NAV lights and cockpit lights are all installed and the wires run and connected and bundled and secured. They work except for one of the four LED strips for the cockpit. I believe I know what’s wrong, but I need to get a couple of wire connectors that I ran out of to fix the issue.

Lots of pictures to look at:

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This afternoon if there is time, the leaning post will make an over due appearance.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 3:48 pm
by Dougster
Beautiful. You are very talented. The attention to detail, forethought, and execution are just remarkable. If I had a hat on I'd take it off :)

Dougster

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 4:14 pm
by poleposition
Martin R Milton wrote: Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:57 pm
Second, I cannot find where you explained how you cut all those hatches and openings with such perfection. Those are unbelievable. I have searched the forum to no avail for enlightenment on the subject. I would appreciate any info you would share on the subject. I apologize in advance if I missed it on your build thread.

Fishgtr did a very good tutorial earlier this year on how he built his hatches:

https://forums.bateau2.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=62910

.....not much to add to what the others have said----just an incredible amount of fore-thought on this build since day 1, not to mention the outstanding craftsmanship. Congrats on a job well done....

One other thing....assuming your live well / bait well are plumbed up, Id appreciate your explaining what you did as my feeble mind wasnt able to process how you did the pickups / overflows. Thanks in advance....

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:17 pm
by Browndog
Pole position,

Thanks for the nice thoughts. The plumbing is copied from some other boats I’ve known and liked that had durable and high quality stuff that didn’t break and was easy to use. There are two Groco bronze high speed water pickups on the bottom leading to matching Groco bronze seacocks on the interior of the bilge. Hoses from the seacocks go to bronze body see thru Groco sea strainer baskets and then from there to Shurflo 800 GPH Bait Sentry Pumps. One of the pumps feeds the livewell. The other pump feeds the baitwell and the raw water Shurflo Blaster washdown pump.

Both the baitwell and livewell are plumbed the same with TH Marine Baitwell Aeration and pumping kits. The two inlets are fed by 3/4” hose with a tee fitting, one is a valved sprayer head up top to provide some aeration and a lower directional current head. The outlet is 1 1/8” and is in the corner with a 90 Deg. Overflow tube that plugs into the outlet. I cut the overflow tube to the length/height that I wanted. You can fill the livewell or baitwell with both heads or cut off the sprayer head. To drain the livewell, pull the overflow tube out of the outlet fitting and everything drains through the transom. It is a pretty simple set-up that should provide good water flow. I’ll let you know in a couple weeks hopefully how everything performs!

One of my neighbors came over to see the boat and while he was here he helped me to lift the leaning post into the boat so that I could get it into position. After that I took a nap and then got a haircut. Just before dinner I was able to sneak over to the garage and I started to put together some of the Dri dek tiles to line the interior of some of the hatches. I also put Kiwi Grip on the front anchor hatch lid and the top of the console.

Here’s a couple of pics of the leaning post:

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:48 pm
by seaslug
Jordy, that boat is just sick!! I'll trade you my Seapro 17, my SK14, and my first born child, only problem, He's 16 and will be needing a car soon. Nicer than any production boat I've seen, thanks to Jacques, and your excellent planning and workmanship. Your brother must be a pretty good guy, and a damn lucky one for sure. Mike

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:46 pm
by Martin R Milton
Browndog,

Thank you for your input, I went back and looked at your thread and you hatch building starts at about page 48 with segments continuing up to about page 91.

Pole position's comment on fishgtrs thread on an overlap version on hatch construction is also a great option.

I have done a repair on a Gheenoe on where the keel had holes worn in it and I built a scaled model of the 12 ft canoe to an 8 foot chandelier.
I don't need a real big boat as I like to get really tight to the oyster bars at ST. George, but big enough to carry a couple of adults and a couple of grandkids. So these are the considerations I have for my decision making.

I too am looking forward to seeing the SPLASH of your handiwork.
Martin

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:04 pm
by Browndog
Down in the Okefenokee Swamp with my wife for spring break. Brought the kayaks. First two nights at Laura Walker State Park. Tomorrow night at Stephen Foster state park. Then Thursday around the bottom side of the National Wildlife Refuge and then back North to Folkston, GA before heading home.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 7:08 pm
by Jeff
Sounds nice Browndog!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:23 am
by Eric1
Browndog wrote: Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:04 pm Down in the Okefenokee Swamp with my wife for spring break. Brought the kayaks. First two nights at Laura Walker State Park. Tomorrow night at Stephen Foster state park. Then Thursday around the bottom side of the National Wildlife Refuge and then back North to Folkston, GA before heading home.
I was named after my distant relative Stephen Foster. :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:22 pm
by Browndog
Eric,

We had a great time at Stephen Foster State Park. Thanks for sharing the connection. We used our kayaks to take a 4 mile day trip this morning and saw lots of alligators and my wife & I really enjoyed it. After our kayak trip we drove around the park to the East Entrance near Folkston and spent some time hiking there and seeing the sites before making our way back home. We stopped in Brunswick so that I could go to West Marine and get some stuff I needed for the boat, had a quick bite to eat and then did our grocery shopping in Eulonia on the way home too. We were home around 6, unpacked our stuff, put the kayaks away and I started working on the boat. I was able to get the front casting deck taped off and Kiwi-Grip applied.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:48 pm
by Bogieman
Wow Browndog! Very nice. You know you've done well when you get compliments like that from builders like Seaslug.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 9:54 am
by cape_fisherman
Cant wait to get a full sideview outside in the sunlight. Looking great.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2018 7:04 pm
by Browndog
Got the rear casting deck taped up and applied the Kiwi Grip non skid to it today. Man that stuff really dresses up a boat!

Here are some before and after pictures:

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:43 am
by Browndog
Got the leaning post installed this morning, screws bedded in EZ Fillet and each of the four feet set in a generous amount of 3M 5200. Coolers go in next, then I tape off for Non skid on the cockpit floor.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:27 am
by OrangeQuest
Your build is looking amazing. Looking like it will have everything! So which one of the lockers has the sink? As in kitchen sink! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 9:39 pm
by Browndog
Thanks for the kind words. No sink, but there is a washdown hose.

Played in the men’s golf championship at the local club and was able to squeak by with a win today.

Came home, took a nap while watching the Masters tournament, had a bite to eat and then this evening I did a few things with the boat. Corrected a couple of things with the leaning post assembly, screwed in a cooler stop on the cockpit floor underneath the leaning post, got both coolers in position and then vacuumed for the 1000th time before taping the cockpit off for the non skid.

A couple of pictures of the taping off that also show the coolers in position:

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I’ll finish taping the inspection plate and do a light scuff sanding of the paint on the cockpit floor in the morning before applying the Kiwi grip.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2018 10:34 pm
by TomW1
Browndog I just saw your rod holders for the first time. Did you double them up. PangaRon has had some problems on his PG25 where his rod holders were apparently cut out to much. Take a look at his post.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:37 am
by Browndog
Tom,

After reading about Panga Rons gunwale issues, I was similarly concerned and tried to compare his under gunwale rod holders/frames to mine.

Yes, my rod holders are made of doubled 12 MM Okoume. By lengthening the rear casting deck, there is essentially an extra frame there, then I added another above sole frame for good measure. The plans only show two above sole frames between the front casting deck and the rear casting deck. I also covered all of my frames with fiberglass cloth on both sides.

Hopefully no issues. We’ll find out soon enough. The boat is getting launched later this week.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 1:18 pm
by TomW1
Browndog wrote: Sun Apr 08, 2018 7:37 am Tom,

After reading about Panga Rons gunwale issues, I was similarly concerned and tried to compare his under gunwale rod holders/frames to mine.

Yes, my rod holders are made of doubled 12 MM Okoume. By lengthening the rear casting deck, there is essentially an extra frame there, then I added another above sole frame for good measure. The plans only show two above sole frames between the front casting deck and the rear casting deck. I also covered all of my frames with fiberglass cloth on both sides.

Hopefully no issues. We’ll find out soon enough. The boat is getting launched later this week.
That sounds like you reinforced things well. Can't wait for your launch. Get the motor broken in and then we can get some specs to see If we need to change the prop.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:07 pm
by Browndog
Thanks Tom. I checked the boat this morning and there is also an extra frame on the front casting deck as compared to the plans.

Got the cockpit floor non skid applied this morning.

Hard to take pics of the cockpit, but here are a couple attempts:

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 4:15 pm
by OrangeQuest
You have mad skills at boat building!! Can hardly wait to see the launch report and pictures!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 6:30 pm
by Bogieman
Almost there Browndog. Really nice job on your build.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:56 pm
by Browndog
Thanks guys for the support.

Working hard to meet the deadline.

The spare tire adapter plate showed up this week. I got the raw steel version so that I could paint it with a cold galvanized coating for hopefully better life in a saltwater environment than the powder coated version they normally supply. Got three coats of Rustoleum Cold Galvanized paint sprayed on it today. Hopefully it will be dry enough to install it and the spare tire on the trailer tomorrow.

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Got about 8 or 9 more things on the to do list.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:55 pm
by R00kie
I know you are chomping at the bit to get it in the water. Your boat is going to be both beautiful and useful. Your craftsmanship and attention to detail is incredible. I built an FS17 four years ago and relived the experience through reading your entire thread over the last couple of days. I learned a lot from what you have done. Hopefully I can get fired up enough to start ordering material to start my own FS19 soon. You have set the bar. BTW,my vote on the rod holders is that there is no issue there. You are rock solid. I promise you that the most outstanding impression the boat will make on you is how solid it is when you hit the first big wave.
Thanks for sharing the build.
Marlowe

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:41 am
by Browndog
Thanks ROOkie. I appreciate the insight from your experience with the FS 17.

This morning I installed the spare tire adapter to the trailer. It moved the tire outward and slightly down so that the tire no longer hits the boat hull. Got the spare tire on as well.

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If you’ve been following the build thread you probably noticed on the dash panel that it was engraved with Evans Brothers FS 19. Well, the theme is carried over to the hull with vinyl lettering applied in the same font to the rear of the hull as seen in the following picture:

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Finally, got the boat name applied to both sides of the hull with vinyl lettering too. All of the lettering was ordered through BOAT US.

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After a little break I will get back out to the garage to work on the tiles for the hatches.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:06 am
by pee wee
By chance is your brother a doctor? (as in patients helped pay for this boat!)

Looking really good, you have made a quite respectable first-documented FS 19, should be an inspiration for many more. 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:12 am
by Browndog
Hank,

Yes. He is a doctor. He liked the name because he has seen a lot of patients in his practice over the years and he has had to have a lot patience to wait this long of his lifetime before getting a boat.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:52 am
by OrangeQuest
From the angle of the picture the spare tire doesn't seem to have much ground clearance. Like I said, maybe the angle of the shot. But it could be an issue when coming in and out of driveways or steep boat ramps.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:19 pm
by Browndog
Orangequest, thanks for your concern about the tire clearance. As the trailer sits now the bottom of the tire on the bracket is 8 inches above the ground. I believe the trailer will probably be a little higher when connected to my truck, but I’m not certain. On Thursday when we take the boat out of the garage and hook it up to the truck I will remeasure the ground clearance.

This afternoon I’ve been lining the storage hatches with Dri Dek tiles.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:24 pm
by joe2700
Browndog wrote: Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:19 pm This afternoon I’ve been lining the storage hatches with Dri Dek tiles.
I was planning on using the same stuff, let us know what you think of it.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:31 pm
by Browndog
I finished cutting the Dri Dek tiles to fit and installed them into the anchor locker, the two storage hatches under the front casting deck and the rear storage hatch on the port side. The vinyl material is easy to cut with a pair of shears and installation was relatively easy.

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Got all of the touch up painting on the inside and outside of the hull done. The spray rails were also cleaned up to remove the excess fillet material that was showing when I removed the tape from painting. Varnished the handle of the shallow water anchor pole too.

Everything is working except for one stereo speaker. I have no idea why it isn’t working, even after rewiring it today. I will figure it out next week. Got four more things on the to do list and then it is splash time.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:03 am
by pee wee
Browndog wrote: Tue Apr 10, 2018 6:31 pm Got four more things on the to do list and then it is splash time.
That's got to feel good to say!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2018 9:09 am
by Jeff
Excellent Browndog!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:34 pm
by Browndog
This morning I took the boat out of the garage for good. Installed the windshield and the PVC guide ons on the trailer.

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After my brother got here, we took the boat to town to get gas and show the finished product to my friends at the golf course and at the boat yard that installed the motor.

We then put the boat in the water and idled for the first hour. The next hour we varied the RPMs and we also tried to do a little fishing for some whiting. The tide really wasn’t right for fishing, mainly we were just testing everything.

So here is what happened and what I learned. There is a very slight leak coming from the bottom of one of the seacocks. It probably took two hours to finally get enough water in the bilge for the bilge pump to work.

When the livewell and the baitwell are full it adds a lot of weight to the back of the boat and the scuppers had water coming up into the cockpit. Not a ton of water, but enough to get your feet wet if you step wrong. Once you start moving all of the water in the cockpit drains. That is even after raising the cockpit floor one inch. Perhaps my scupper drains are too low on the transom.

Something is wrong with the way I plumbed the washdown pump and hose, because I couldn’t get water to come out of it. In fact it seemed like there was a vacuum causing suction when I squeezed the trigger on the spray head on the washdown hose.

The boat would definitely benefit with more weight up front. In hindsight, I probably should have put either the batteries or the livewell & baitwell in the front casting deck. The only thing up front today was the anchor. When my brother fills the front hatches with tackle and other stuff I think it will help.

When you put the throttle forward the boat just goes faster. It is a very smooth transition from not planing to planing.

It was very windy today and fairly choppy on one section of the river we were on where the wind was blowing against the tide. The boat handled the chop easily. The spray rails are very effective. The boat is extremely dry riding.

We only got it up to wide open throttle for a very brief time. Not enough time to really get the trim tabs and the motor tilt dialed in but we were able to hit 40 MPH easily.

Tomorrow we will put the boat in the water again and go fishing for much of the day. I expect we will get some performance numbers at different RPMs and fuel flow before my brother leaves for home on Tuesday. So I’ll post those later.

The boat looks fantastic in the water and my brother is ecstatic. The Yamaha 115 four stroke is extremely quiet and powerful. The Raymarine Axiom 9 GPS/Sonar and the Standard Horizon VHF worked great. The Yamaha Digital gauges are also very easy to read even in bright sunlight.

Here is a picture of my brother with his boat at the dock before we took it out of the water

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 7:56 pm
by Martin R Milton
Browndog,

Congratulations, she looks awesome both on the trailer and in the water!!!!!!!!!
Martin

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:39 pm
by OrangeQuest
Boat looks just awesome! And your brother is wearing a matching shirt!

Hope he gets it trimmed out with weight in the front. Do you think if more weight in the front it will help with the water coming in the scuppers?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:46 pm
by cape man
Yeah baby!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:59 pm
by narfi
Looks Great!!!
You will have to do a launched thread with LOTS of pictures on the water :)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 3:37 am
by glossieblack
Sweet as. 8) 8) 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:38 am
by Jeff
Really good stuff Browndog and the BOAT looks GREAT!!!!! Enjoy your day today on her and let us know how she does today!! Also, congrats to your brother as well, he is getting a GREAT, unique boat!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:13 am
by silentneko
Good deal bud!

As far as water coming in the scuppers, look into the ping pong ball type seals. I know a few guys who have used them with good results on old hobie power skiffs that have the same wet foot issues.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:37 am
by pee wee
Wow! A thing of beauty! Congratulations on the splash and shake down, more pictures please! 8)

The sun is behind him so it's hard to see, is that a smile on your brother's face?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:32 pm
by Eric1
She really is a beautiful boat! I wish you and your brother many happy years on her. :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 2:05 pm
by Fuzz
One beautiful boat there Browndog :!:
It sounds like the boat runs very well. I am sure your brother will love the wonderful gift from you.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:30 pm
by Browndog
Thanks guys for all the kind words.

We kept the boat on the driveway last night and it was unbelievable how much junk fell in the boat from all the trees.. Then we had dew and now we have lots of stains to clean. Went fishing today from about 9:30 AM to 4:30 PM. Started out with the high tide and fished the tide going out and coming back in. It started out very calm with hardly any wind, but the wind picked up all day. We had lots of chop to drive through today. We also decided to go out of the Sapelo Sound today and fish the channel that goes between St. Catherine’s Island and Blackbeard’s Island. There are a number of bouys that mark the channel leaving the sound for a few miles, because there is some heavy shoaling just off the beaches of both islands. Once out in the Atlantic Ocean we had Wind chop, Tide and Ocean swells to contend with. The seas were lumpy.

My brother drove the boat almost all day by himself, even pulling in to the dock’s overhead hoist slip, which was tough because of the wind and raging tide. He learned a lot. I sat on the front cooler and pointed where to go so he wouldn’t run up on a sand bar or oyster rake. The only time I took the wheel was when we were coming through a very narrow channel that has lots of sandbars on either side. It is easy to run aground there. I’ve done it more than once. But I knew the channel better than him so I thought I better drive then.

The boat handled everything beautifully! It has a great ride, very smooth and comfortable sitting on the front cooler. Extremely dry riding too despite heavy wind. I think maybe we had some wind blown spray come into the boat once all day. Almost no slamming unless my brother launched us off an Ocean Swell. He hasn’t quite figured out how to feather the throttle up and down to compensate for the waves. So we would slow down, then race ahead and then slow down. He’ll get it.

We kept 46 whiting of good size and threw back a bunch of little ones. We also caught our share of stingrays and bonnet head sharks as well as some other species of fish, most of which were too small to keep.

It was a beautiful sunny day, perfect temperature. Lots and lots of fun.

Still had some water in the cockpit coming up from the scuppers when we filled up the livewell. When we drained the livewell it was not bad at all.

Not as much water in the bilge today. I think the bilge pump was able to pump out water only once all day and only when we started going forward and the water rushed to the back of the bilge.

The one problem we did have however was when the boat was back on the trailer and we were cleaning all the mud and blood and tree bits. A couple spots of Kiwi Grip started to lift off the cockpit floor.

I can think of a few reasons why it may have done it in the area that it occurred. First, I only gave the Kiwi Grip in the cockpit a few days to cure before subjecting it to water and wear. Second, the Kiwi Grip came up in the area that I entered and exited the boat from the last few months. Even with degreasing, washing and sanding the cockpit floor, and trying to wear socks instead of shoes these last couple of months when standing in the cockpit, that area bore the brunt of ingress and egress. So, I will have to see exactly how bad the problem is and come up with a solution.

Here’s a picture of the boat at the dock waiting to be pulled out of the water by the overhead hoist:

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 7:59 pm
by TomW1
First Silentneko never use ping pog ball scuppers. Bad words around here.

Browndog out standing that boat is awesome. Do you know the rpm's at the 40 mph. It sounds like we got the right prop. 40 mph is pretty fast :D

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:08 pm
by silentneko
What's the issue with them. I know several who have used them for years.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:50 am
by cape man
The scuppers are not a problem with the design but how we build them. I have the same issue with my OD18. Design weight is 600lbs, but my solid girl with all the extra epoxy and glass, big decks, and extra wide hard wood gunwales came in at 900lbs. Add a hydraulic jack, and now a 70hp motor, and she doesn't self bail when empty and docked. Add a fish cooler, fill the live well, and take a friend out and it's way too low for self bailing. Of all the hindsight issues in the build (and I have several) I wish more than anything I had raised the sole an inch or two.

I'm considering increasing the size of the drain to the bilge and maybe even recessing it in the deck a bit to allow water to flow better. As soon as she's on a plane I can quickly clear the water by pulling the plugs in the scuppers, and pay extra attention to the bilge pump and auto switch, but would love to have it drain when anchored or going slow.

You will learn to work around it.

The boat looks absolutely awesome, and other than the drains and the Kiwi grip the report is impressive! 46 nice Whiting is a good day! They are highly under rated in my opinion, and great on a plate.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:00 am
by OrangeQuest
Great fishing report!! Boat is looking good in the water.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:36 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
The boat looks amazing, what a fantastic job. I am sure it was great going out in it with your brother after all that work.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:32 pm
by Fuzz
That is one fine looking boat. And it is hard to beat catching fish with your brother. Sounds like the boat is meeting all your expatiations.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:54 pm
by TomW1
silentneko wrote: Fri Apr 13, 2018 8:08 pm What's the issue with them. I know several who have used them for years.
Ball scuppers clog easily and are hard to keep clean, the cage around them traps everything . Cracker Larry really hated themi. With the leaves in my area falling I would be cleaning them every day. Not my idea of what a scupper should be doing :!:

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:00 pm
by TomW1
Sorry to hear about your Kiwi Grip failure. There was a discussion in another post that said to make sure you sanded the lower coat with 120 or even 80 grit paper so the Kiwi Grip sitcks. Then of course stay off it for a few days. :wink: :lol:

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:29 pm
by willg
Your boat is beautiful! You deserve to be very proud of her.

Do you have a way to plug the scuppers from the cockpit? It would of course prevent self-bailing but you probably wouldn't need that feature 99% of the time, and when you thought you might you could remove the plugs. I have flapper scuppers on the side of my PH18 and if they don't seal perfectly I can get a small amount of splash in the cockpit. I got rubber plugs and cut them down to a flat profile and shoved them in there. Works great and the plugs are easily removed. Hopefully I won't get stupid and leave them in if the boat's out in the rain.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:44 am
by Browndog
The scupper drains in the cockpit have removable grates, so yes, I could unscrew the scupper grate and shove a plug in there. Definitely considering that as an option.

We are having the launch party this afternoon at the marina. I am going to be serving a fish fry to everyone that comes. Supposed to get high winds and thunderstorms when we are done, so not sure if the boat is going in the water today or just going to be admired on land.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:31 am
by cape man
Already blowing 20+ knots here at 6 am. Keep her on the trailer! I was clear coating an outside bar this morning hoping to beat the storms this afternoon... guess I'll find something else to do.

Fresh Whiting? What time? 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:25 pm
by silentneko
TomW1 wrote: Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:54 pm
Ball scuppers clog easily and are hard to keep clean, the cage around them traps everything . Cracker Larry really hated themi. With the leaves in my area falling I would be cleaning them every day. Not my idea of what a scupper should be doing :!:

Tom
I think your talking about the old school type that were a pain to service or remove. Newer style has an easily removed shell and don't clog any easier then rubeer flaps and way less then duck bills. If stored under a tree you can just remove the shells in a few seconds so it's an open scupper. My only issue with them is they can be noisy when bouncing around on anchor.

Browndog, what about an inline check valve?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:32 pm
by TomW1
Hope the launch party went well and you got it in before the rain got to you. It got to me early morning but was slow moving so maybe stayed away from you a few hours :D

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:10 pm
by Browndog
The party went well. The fish fry was a hit. Extremely windy. Everyone got to see the boat, but we kept her on the trailer.

After fighting fever and chills the last five days, I went to the cl8nic today. They think I have some tick borne illness and have prescribed Doxycycline for 28 days.

Hope the medicine kicks in soon. Not feeling great still.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:22 pm
by OrangeQuest
Hope you start feeling better soon.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 8:18 am
by pee wee
That doesn't sound good, hope the doc's meds get you back in shape soon.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:13 am
by Reid
Browndog,

The FS19 came out really nice!!! You really did a fantastic job!
The next time you are out on the water would you mind getting a few good photos of the boat for me? I would love to put this finished boat on the front page of our site, the FS19 page, and a slide show that we take to Boat Shows. Photos with a nice clean/scenic background work well!

Thank you, great job, and I hope you and your brother get years of enjoyment from the FS19!

-Reid

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:56 am
by cvincent
Congratulations your boat is beautiful! I hope you feel better soon.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 1:05 pm
by Martin R Milton
Amen to that!!!
Our Prayers on are with you for your recovery.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:04 pm
by Browndog
Thanks guys for the get well quick thoughts. After three doses of antibiotics I am feeling a lot better already. Yesterday I was so weak I had to lean on the counter at the pharmacy to prevent myself from falling down. Very scary.

Reid,

Was hoping to get a lot of photos and performance numbers today. The hoist at the marina was being worked on, so we couldn’t get the boat back in the water. By the end of next weekend I should have lots of photos for you.

I did re plumb the washdown pump today. It looks like I had put a couple of hoses in the wrong place. Hopefully that will do the trick.

Discovered some more Kiwi Grip that is losing adhesion. Tom, Yes, I had sanded the surface to provide a mechanical key and then washed and wiped down all of the sanding residue. I did not use window cleaner however. Only water. That along with not giving enough time to cure before using and subjecting to immersion in water to soon I believe is the culprit. It was only the Kiwi Grip applied on the cockpit sole that has shown any sign of delamination. The last area to get finished. All other areas remain good.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:39 pm
by TomW1
Browndog I am still not sure that Kiwi Grip is all that it is cracked up to be. Cracker Larry put it on his OD18 and I am going to have to replace it on the sole and gunnels. It just did not hold up after 9 years. I may just sand it off and go old style.as I am repainting the insides anyway.

Tom

PS: Get well quick. Deb had a tick bite her and she got rocky mountain fever. Took here a couple of weeks and some anti-biotics to kill it. Take care.

Tom''

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 9:45 pm
by cape man
I got typhus from a a tick in North Africa in the 80s. Worst I ever felt. Two days of antibiotics and I was good as gold. Hope the same for you.

Glad your fish fry and boat show went well.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 11:39 pm
by Spokaloo
I have kiwigrip in all of my boats, and have yet to have a single inch of it peel up.

My suspicion is you didn't give it the requisite time to dry. We are in a dry climate here, and most of my applications spent a week drying out in humidities under 50% before they went in the water. Coating it, then getting it submerged or dampened sounds like the most likely culprit.

As an example, 5 years ago I put it in the bottom of my skiff. It has been in the water ever since, and more than half the time there's some amount of rain water in it (over a foot in it today, haven't drained it in a month of rainy days). Still down perfectly tight, and my prep work wasn't exactly stellar.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 1:01 am
by Fuzz
That is the big problem living in warm weather places. There way too many biting things that carry all sorts of bad stuff. The things we have that bite............well you know it when it happens :wink:
I too have had some peeling Kiwigrip but I am pretty sure my prep was lacking. I am going to give it another try and see how it does with better prep.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 6:07 pm
by fourwinds
Browndog, that is an absolutely beautiful boat. I hope to have the time (and skill) to someday pull off something half as nice as the boat you built. Your attention to detail is admirable. Strictly out of curiosity, would you feel comfortable taking that boat out to one of the closer artificial reefs (say under 10 miles) on good weather days? I've got in-laws in Brunswick and I've done some bottom fishing in a similar-sized Key West V hull boat on the artificial reefs on days with favorable forecasts. I was just curious if you felt this boat was up to occasional use in that fashion or if it would be inadvisable. I wish you a speedy recovery!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 9:11 pm
by Browndog
Four winds,

Thanks for the kind words and the get well wishes. The antibiotics that I’m on have rapidly returned me to feeling better. Despite some lingering fatigue I would say I’m 95% recovered.

As far as the near shore reefs go, I would not hesitate to take this boat to the Near Shore Reefs. One that we go to fairly often is the KTK which is about 7 miles offshore. It would be a piece of cake in this boat. I would probably go even if it wasn’t dead calm. The boat can handle a chop. On a calm day, going to Gray’s Reeef which is 17 miles offshore would not be a stretch. The boat cruises very comfortably at about 30 MPH. It would not be a long ride on a calm day. It also can maintain plane down to about 12-14 MPH, so if it did get rough, you can make decent time without having to plow through the waves at displacement speeds.

What has impressed me the most about this boat in the few days we’ve had it out so far is the ride. Very comfortable, very predicatable, very efficient and very dry. I’ve been frustrated this week in not being able to go out more. For the last week and a half we’ve had small craft advisories and pretty high winds. Although I’m confident the boat could take it, none of my fishing partners have been willing to go out and I’m not one that likes to go out alone much. I was supposed to take our friend’s two boys out this weekend and we had to postpone due to the weather.

The boat looks and feels like a large bay boat. I feel safer in the FS 19 than I do in my Egret 189 flats skiff fishing offshore, and the Egret is renown for its great ride. You feel like you are inside the FS 19 as opposed to on top of the Egret. The Egret is faster but it doesn’t ride as well at idle speeds due to its deep V. It tends to wander at slow speeds. The FS 19 tracks beautifully at slow speeds. The Egret comes in to its own around 30MPH and the ride is amazing from there until it tops out at about 52 MPH, just skipping across the chop at that point. The FS 19 is topping out probably around 40- 42 MPH. Once I can get some more hours on the motor I will post full performance information.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:23 am
by fourwinds
Well I hope you get some decent weather headed your way soon. I appreciate your input on the boat's capabilities. It seems like a great multipurpose boat. I'd love to build one as I think it'd suit my needs nicely. But, I'm thinking my garage dimensions (20'x20') will necessitate building the smaller FS17 just for ease of movement during the build (don't plan on storing boat in garage). How deep is your garage? I noticed the bow of the boat was close to your garage door in some pictures, but it looked like you had room behind the boat.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:07 pm
by silentneko
fourwinds wrote: Sun Apr 22, 2018 9:23 am Well I hope you get some decent weather headed your way soon. I appreciate your input on the boat's capabilities. It seems like a great multipurpose boat. I'd love to build one as I think it'd suit my needs nicely. But, I'm thinking my garage dimensions (20'x20') will necessitate building the smaller FS17 just for ease of movement during the build (don't plan on storing boat in garage). How deep is your garage? I noticed the bow of the boat was close to your garage door in some pictures, but it looked like you had room behind the boat.
Go measure the garage. I am building an FS17 and have a "20×20" garage, but once you take away how they build the walls, and the hurricane bars on the door it's really more like 19ft deep. I have about 3" of room up front, and less then 2ft in the rear. No way could I do an FS19 in there and still close the garage door.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:32 pm
by fourwinds
I measured it the other day. It is a true 20'x20' so I think I have the space to build a FS17, likely not the FS19. I will probably put the strongback on casters so I can pick up working room where I need it. I will be following your build intently. I have a newborn due in a month so I have a bit of time to plan and see yours come to fruition.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 1:43 pm
by silentneko
A true 20x20 is plenty for a 17ft boat. As far as casters, if you roll it around it will not likely be level as your floor isn't. I didn't put the strong back on casters because of that, but my cradle for flipping will be since it's not that critical then.

Browndog, that's some pretty good numbers. I'm sure it feels like flying at that speed.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:08 pm
by Browndog
We had a small weather window to get the boat out today tdespite it being fairly windy again. Small craft advisories for the next three days. I took the boat out with my friend Brad and we went in search of whiting. Right off the bat we catch a couple and then it slowed down the rest of the day. Only 10 keeper fish in 6 hours. Not very good.

The fix to the washdown pump installation worked. We were able to use the washdown hose today to clean up blood and other stuff from the decks.

At one point I needed my tackle box that I had left in the forward hatch inside the front casting deck. When I opened the hatch, everything inside was floating in several inches of water. Both hatches were full of water.

I didn’t know what was going on and was worried that we were taking on water and sinking. I checked the bilge and we had just a little bit of water there. The good news is that the hatches are watertight as designed. But the hatches are supposed to be dry so perhaps the gutters aren’t as effective up front as they are in the rear. It may have been when my Brother washed the boat that the spray of the hose was enough to defeat the gutters. Anyways, everything in those two hatches got soaked. When I pulled out the boat today I used my Kayak manual bilge pump to evacuate the water and then a sponge and finally some towels to get the last of it.

Another live and learn moment.

It was quite windy and rough today. We were the only boat fishing today. We never saw another boat. We made an effort to fish in the ocean, but it was just too rough to fish comfortably. We turned in and went behind Blackbeard Island and then into Black Beard creek all the way to the Cabretta Inlet on the south end of the island. Never caught a fish at any of those places.

The boat rode beautifully. Not worried about any of the sea conditions. The boat is very confidence inspiring. No slamming or banging. Just eats up the chop. Not a single bit of spray in the cockpit. The boat is also very efficient, averaging about 5 MPG at 30 MPH. The only problem we encountered was occasionally going too fast and launching off of a wave.

With all of the extra water in the boat, our top speed today was 39 MPH at WOT of 6100 RPM. We did bump up to the Rev Limiter a couple of times today. I believe we could increase the pitch of the prop to reduce the RPMs sightly and maybe get a higher top end speed.

The motor is mounted fairly high on the jack plate to allow for adequate clearance of the steering ram when the motor is tilted forward. As a result when I drive the boat in tight & windy creeks like we did today there was some cavitation on tight turns when the motor was trimmed out. The back end does slide around some, but not as much as I had hoped. Slowing down and trimming the motor down fixes the issue. We will continue to wring out the boat to assess how everything performs and works.

Right now I would say that the spray rails are doing their job very well. The ride of the boat is truly impressive.

No pictures today. They will have to wait until I can get my Photographer/wife out with me.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:59 am
by Eric1
Good report! It sounds like you picked the perfect design! :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:05 am
by Jeff
Great report Browndog!!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 1:53 pm
by csotelo
Hi, the boat looks fantastic!

Congratulations!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:41 pm
by Browndog
Took the boat out today with a couple of friends to catch some fish for a fish fry I’m putting on in a couple of weeks. While we were out, I had them drop me off on a dock behind Barbour Island on the Barbour River and took some pictures of the boat in the water at idle and at different speeds coming towards and going away from me. The pictures are ok quality. I also took about two minutes of video of the boat underway, not sure yet how to post the video.


My friend had forgotten that the motor was trimmed up when he first got underway, so for a couple of the pictures, that is why the bow looks so high.

So here are some pics of the boat in the water and underway:

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:41 am
by Fuzz
Good pictures of the boat Browndog. Got a guess how fast it was going in that last picture. And did he have it trimmed correct at that point?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:01 am
by Browndog
All of these runs he was going less than wide open. I think he was cruising at around 30 MPH which equates to 4600 RPM. The last few pictures he was trimmed correctly. The video was taken after these photos. I was able to upload the video to my Facebook page yesterday. Will try to figure out how to link to it here today.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:27 am
by Browndog

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:31 am
by Jaysen
That worked!

you could also use the youtube tags...

[youtube]https://youtu.be/4WUghj6Zm1Y[/youtube]

Click the youtube button then put the "share url" between the tags. The URL for your video is https://youtu.be/4WUghj6Zm1Y

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:58 am
by topwater
Excellent vid :!: Shows how properly sized and installed splash rails throw water away from the boat right
at the chine. Beautiful boat 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 2:36 pm
by Jeff
Nice Browndog!! Beautiful boat you built!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:31 pm
by Eric1
Awesome boat and video!! 8)

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:42 pm
by Browndog
Out in Phoenix for a week visiting family and attending my niece’s college graduation. Playing some golf and just hanging out.

While I’m gone, The guys at the motor dealer are doing the engine service now that the motor is broken in. They are also removing the manual jack plate and remounting the motor directly on the transom.

The motor will be mounted lower as well, which hopefully will solve the ventilation issue on turns and bring the RPMs down a couple hundred RPMs. Removing some weight and shifting the motor five inches forward will hopefully help move the boat’s center of gravity and perhaps help with the water coming in the scuppers when the livewell is full too.

Will do some more sea trials when I get back.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue May 08, 2018 3:47 pm
by Jeff
Safe travel Browndog and have fun in the sun!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 12:54 pm
by Browndog
Had a good visit with family and now waiting for my flight to head home. Went to the casino where my sister works while I was here and hit for a very nice jackpot on one of the slot machines. Only gave a little bit back. Nice to have a wad of cash wrapped up with a rubber band. Feel like a gangster. Eager to get home and pick up the boat and get it back into the water to test it after the changes made.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 1:37 pm
by Jeff
Nice Browndog!! Congrats on the cash!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu May 10, 2018 7:52 pm
by TomW1
Sounds like you had a real nice time out west. :D Let me know if I can help you with dialing in your boat after the changes.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 8:24 am
by Browndog
Thanks Tom.

The motor is running at 6200 RPMs at wide open throttle the way it was set-up originally which is at the very high end of the range and doesn’t allow a whole lot of motor trim before the RPM limiter kicks in.

My thought was to exchange props and go with more pitch to bring the RPMs down and the top speed up since the last 400 RPMS really are not changing the top speed much at all.

The shop where I bought the motor feels like removing the Jack Plate and lowering the motor might solve several issues by giving the prop more bite and also solve the ventilation problem in turns. Their guess is that the RPMs will come down as well. If not the next step is to go up in pitch.

The problem with lowering the jack plate was that the hydraulic ram for the steering system would hit the top of the transom if you tilted the motor all the way up and they feel that needs to be avoided or will likely lead to a problem down the road if someone accidentally over trimmed the motor.

Removing some weight in the back and moving the center of gravity forward is probably a good thing based on our results so far of having water come into the cockpit from the scuppers when the livewell is full. So, I’m eager to see if it makes a difference or not.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 9:33 am
by OrangeQuest
The reasoning is sound enough and makes sense. Good luck and hope it corrects it all.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 2:07 pm
by TomW1
Browndog wrote: Fri May 11, 2018 8:24 am Thanks Tom.

The motor is running at 6200 RPMs at wide open throttle the way it was set-up originally which is at the very high end of the range and doesn’t allow a whole lot of motor trim before the RPM limiter kicks in.

My thought was to exchange props and go with more pitch to bring the RPMs down and the top speed up since the last 400 RPMS really are not changing the top speed much at all.

The shop where I bought the motor feels like removing the Jack Plate and lowering the motor might solve several issues by giving the prop more bite and also solve the ventilation problem in turns. Their guess is that the RPMs will come down as well. If not the next step is to go up in pitch.

The problem with lowering the jack plate was that the hydraulic ram for the steering system would hit the top of the transom if you tilted the motor all the way up and they feel that needs to be avoided or will likely lead to a problem down the road if someone accidentally over trimmed the motor.

Removing some weight in the back and moving the center of gravity forward is probably a good thing based on our results so far of having water come into the cockpit from the scuppers when the livewell is full. So, I’m eager to see if it makes a difference or not.
Browndog agree with most of your moves. Lower the motor no more than an inch should get rid of the ventilation. The ventilation plate should be slightly above the keel. The prop now should be okay with it being lowered. If you still have problems go up in pitch an inch.

Moving weight forward is a great idea and should help with the water coming in the scuppers. What type of scuppers do you have?

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 7:14 pm
by Browndog
Tom,

The deck drains and transom thru hull scuppers are both made by Gemlux. The transom thru hulls are the flapper style scupper.

Regards,
Jordy

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri May 11, 2018 8:37 pm
by TomW1
Browndog wrote: Fri May 11, 2018 7:14 pm Tom,

The deck drains and transom thru hull scuppers are both made by Gemlux. The transom thru hulls are the flapper style scupper.

Regards,
Jordy
Good enough surprised then that you have water coming in. Gemlux are good scuppers, water pressure shoulg keep them closed, now that you have made your changes..

Regards,

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 7:23 pm
by Browndog
Finally got my Georgia boat registration! Came in the mail today. Took a lot longer than expected.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu May 17, 2018 10:12 pm
by cape man
Woo hoo! You're legal!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 1:29 am
by TomW1
Great news

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 5:36 am
by OrangeQuest
That is great news! Now what about the changes to the motor mounting and if complete has it been tested?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Fri May 18, 2018 6:28 am
by Browndog
Waiting to get the boat back still. I had to drop off some paint for the guys at the boat service place so that they could touch up the transom inside and outside before remounting the motor.

The forecast here this week has been rain everyday and the marine forecast is 3-4 ft seas building to 4-5 or higher everyday because of the wind, so I haven’t missed much this week. Hopefully the boat will be done in the next few days and then I can run it again next week.

My brother is planning on coming down the weekend of June 16 & 17 and then the following week I think he and I will drive the boat home to Virginia and do some fishing around the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay and the Eastern Shore of VIrginia before bringing it home to Charlottesville.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 10:04 pm
by TomW1
Browndog any news on the boat. It has been a while since you got the stickers.

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 3:36 pm
by Browndog
All is well. Been out of town is all. Next week will post an update on the boat.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 11:48 pm
by TomW1
Cool do you have enough hours on the motor to have it broken in now?

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 8:00 pm
by Browndog
Yes. The motor is broken in and has received the post break in service too.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 11:44 pm
by TomW1
Great when your ready do a test of the prop and see how she preforms compared to what I calculated. Run the boat up in 1000 rpm increments until you hit max rpms. If you hit 6300 then you may need to go up a prop size.

Regards

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:48 am
by Browndog
Got the Hull Identification number engraved on to the transom and then coated with epoxy. Did it with a Dremel tool and an engraving burr. Once the epoxy dries I will touch it up with some paint. Also made a marine plywood plaque engraved with the HIN to glue on inside an unexposed area per regulations.

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Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:14 am
by pee wee
Nice and neat looking.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 7:47 pm
by Browndog
Ran the boat today finally to get some performance numbers from the motor and propeller in the new configuration without jackplate. Full gas tank, otherwise lightly loaded with just myself and the dog onboard. The numbers are from my best recollection as I didn’t have a pen or paper on board, but wrote them down as soon as I got back to shore.

RPMs Speed
1000 4 MPH

2000 8 MPH

3000 13 MPH

4000 23 MPH

5000 34 MPH

6000 38 MPH

6300 42 MPH. 3.8 MPG Fuel flow rate

The propeller does not blow out in turns anymore and the boat is able to make sharper turns at higher speeds. The absolute top speed is with the motor tilted up a bit and the trim tabs dialed in to get the boat attitude just right. I believe the rev Limiter kicks in at 6350 RPMS. It still felt like the last 1-200 RPMS didn’t do much, the trim tabs and motor tilt probably contributed more at that point to get the top speed. Still thinking about going up in pitch to bring the RPMs down to maybe 6100

Tom, What do you think?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 2:36 pm
by Browndog
Got the water in the gas issue fixed and the new propeller with higher pitch installed. The boat is running great!

Yesterday my friend Lou and I ran the boat with 2/3 of a gas tank. 6 rods and reels, three bags of ice and a cooler full of beer, soda and water, lunch and snacks.

The rear scuppers are not taking on water anymore, but we never filled the livewell and baitwell.

The average of speeds and RPMs going both down current and up current are as follows:

1000 RPMs = 5 MPH
2000 RPMs = 8 MPH
3000 RPMs = 16 MPH
4000 RPMs = 30 MPH & 6.8 MPG
5000 RPMs = 36 MPH & 5 MPG
5900 RPMs = 43 MPH & 3.8 MPG

I feel like the new propeller is a better fit and the holeshot is not compromised one bit. The boat still can maintain plane down to about 13 MPH.

Very pleased with the performance and especially the efficiency of the Yamaha 115 HP four stroke motor combination with the FS19 boat. The boat rides extremely smooth and dry. Handles chop extremely well too. Very nice to fish out of.

At one point yesterday while we were fishing I was looking around at the boat and I was smiling and couldn’t hardly believe that I actually built the boat. Really proud. After we are done scalloping we’ll come back home to Georgia and transfer ownership and then the boat is headed home to Virginia.

My brother is coming back down in a few weeks, and we will probably trailer the boat down to Crystal River, FL for some scalloping and maybe some fishing. Any of you guys down there would be welcome to come along or come and see/ride on the boat while we are there.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:42 pm
by OrangeQuest
Looks like 4000rpm and 30 mph is a good cruise speed and fuel efficiency. It a good looking boat to be proud of.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:22 am
by Browndog
Was up at our lake place in Wisconsin for the month of August. Back in Georgia for September. The fall fishing is starting to pick up.

Below are pictures of a 1/2 day and a full day of fishing this week.

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The best parts of my brother’s boat are the roominess, the ride and handling and overall fishability.

There are two persistent issues with my brother’s boat that we have been trying to resolve. The first is we keep getting water in the fuel alarms going off resulting in frequent trips to the motor dealer. Not sure where the water is getting in to the fuel system. The fuel fill seems good. Focusing on the fuel vent next, I added a vent hose loop to the fuel vent which I had forgotten to install, then put a clamshell over the vent on the outside. Still having problems so I‘m now going to replace the vent with one that has an integral P-trap water fuel separator. If that doesn’t fix it then it must be something else.

The second problem is that water still comes through the scuppers and collects in the back of the cockpit. The scupper flaps are just not effective at stopping the back flow. When the boat is running or at anchor the water runs out the scuppers. If using the fiberglass shallow water anchor which puts the stern facing into the wind/current then water comes up the scuppers. The water issue is worse when the baitwell and livewells are being used. Having wet feet is an annoyance.

Even though the stringers have been raised an inch in my build, in retrospect, I should have probably raised them another couple of inches, as there is plenty of freeboard and that would have made the sizing and placement of the fuel tank easier as the below deck height would not have been as shallow. I could also have relocated the livewell & baitwell forward. Since I fiberglassed every exterior surface, the hull is heavier than designed and the cockpit floor is probably lower than optimal.

Food for thought for future builders. Overall, My brother and I are very pleased with the boat.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:52 am
by pee wee
Thanks for the update and feedback, very helpful. Is that a bimini top he's added? How well is that working?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:30 am
by piperdown
Yes, thanks for the update!
I actually just finished reading your whole build thread a few days ago. Came across it by accident as it's not (at least last week) listed in the build threads. I asked Jeff and Reid if they would add it to the build thread links as you did a great job showing the steps going into building the FS19.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:44 pm
by Jeff
We will get Browndog’s thread up tomorrow for easier review!! It took us a while to figure out how to move but we finally found the process!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:41 pm
by Browndog
Thanks guys for the help with the build thread. Glad you found it and hope it is some help for future builders. While you are at it, anyway to get a field promotion to builder?

No, Hank I did not add a Bimini top to my brother’s boat. The boat in the background is my buddy’s old Rhino 21, which is what we were fishing out of this week in and around the Sapelo Sound.

In a few weeks I will be ordering the materials for my next project a Plyak 12 that I will be building and donating to a local environmental group, Coastal Wildscapes, as a fundraiser for their March Banquet in St. Simons, GA at the Musgrove Plantation.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2018 5:27 pm
by Fuzz
Some pretty dang good fishing there BrownDog :!: I know it has been said before but that FS-19 sure turned out nice.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2018 8:43 pm
by Browndog
Been doing some work on my brother’s boat. Replacing the fuel vent and having to do some minor hull repair due to a new hole having to be recut and the old one filled in. Also have to repair and reinforce the front hatch lid as it was made in two pieces and I neglected to reinforce the bottom and a crack has developed.

The weather here has been rainy and windy this week. Although luckily Hurricane Michael is sparing us the worst of his fury.

I have been filling my time with other chores as the Fall is my busy season for hunting and fishing and it is about to be in full swing.

One of those chores has been the researching, finding and acquiring of a new tow vehicle. After nearly ten years and 232,000 miles my trusty 2009 Dodge Ram has been replaced by a newer version with all the latest bells and whistles:

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Hopefully it will be as trouble free as its predecessor.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:39 am
by topwater
Nice rig :!: I am waiting to put an order in on one . I am waiting until they release the the diesel again.
My 2000 dodge is getting a little long in the tooth.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:01 am
by piperdown
Good looking pickup!

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:30 am
by Jeff
Browndog, good to hear from you and great looking truck!! Good luck hunting this year!! Glad Hurricane Michael missed you guys!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:45 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Great looking truck. Looks like there’s loads of room inside to get comfortable on long trips.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:17 am
by Browndog
Was in a little fishing tournament yesterday.

My new tow vehicle with my Egret 189 flat skiff behind it:

3924

The big one that got away:

3923

A good day’s catch:

3922

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:42 am
by Jeff
Great looking truck Browndog and good catch!!! Glad the big one got away!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:03 pm
by Browndog
Took the boat out for one last trip with my Brother before he takes it home tomorrow.. The boat sure rides well. It is my favorite aspect of the boat. It’s sweet spot is around 4000 RPMs and 30 MPH getting almost 7 MPG.

Fixed the few little things that needed fixing and now it is ready to move to VIrginia. It is really a great boat.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:30 pm
by Browndog
4118

4117

A couple of pictures of the boat pulling out of the driveway. My brother made it home to Virginia with the boat.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:15 pm
by TomW1
Browndog I never commented on your props but they are perfect and sure work well for what you are doing.
:D :D

Tom

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:23 am
by OrangeQuest
So now that boat is gone what is the next project? :D

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:49 am
by Jeff
Very nice build Browndog, that is a boat to be proud of and i am sure your brother is proud to have it!! Jeff

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:10 am
by Browndog
Next project is a Plyak 12 for a local organization, Coastal Wildscapes, to help them raise money at their annual fundraiser in March. The CNC kit was just cut on Monday and I’m driving down to pick it up next week. Just started a build thread in the Builder’s Small Boats section. I hope to crank it out in a couple of months.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:51 am
by Redfish81
Do you know what the hull draft ended up on your FS19?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:34 am
by OrangeQuest
Browndog wrote: Wed Nov 28, 2018 9:10 am Next project is a Plyak 12 for a local organization, Coastal Wildscapes, to help them raise money at their annual fundraiser in March. The CNC kit was just cut on Monday and I’m driving down to pick it up next week. Just started a build thread in the Builder’s Small Boats section. I hope to crank it out in a couple of months.
That will be an exciting build to follow.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:02 am
by Browndog
The hull draft of the FS-19 is less than a foot. The draft is comparable to or better than my Egret 189 Carbon/Kevlar flats skiff.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:04 pm
by Dan_Smullen
Browndog wrote: Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:50 pm Got the Semi rigid vinyl rubrail 100% installed.The stainless steel insert is 90% installed. I’ve got to figure out how to make the bend around the transom corners. The NAV lights are dryfitted, got to seal the holes with epoxy and wire everything up.
What a sharp looking rig, Browndog!

Curious about manufacturer and model number on the rub rail? Is that a Taco kit?

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:33 pm
by Browndog
The rub rail and the stainless insert came from Integrity Marine Corp./Barbour Plastics. I believe they are the manufacturer for Taco Marine. Semi rigid Rubrail Part number F2083, $6.00/ft. Comes in a coil. The 3/4” hollow backed stainless steel insert is between $2.75 - $3.50/ft depending on the grade of stainless you want. It comes in lengths between 10-16 feet.

I also got my spray rails from them.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:50 pm
by Dan_Smullen
Browndog wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2019 8:33 pm The rub rail and the stainless insert came from Integrity Marine Corp./Barbour Plastics. I believe they are the manufacturer for Taco Marine. Semi rigid Rubrail Part number F2083, $6.00/ft. Comes in a coil. The 3/4” hollow backed stainless steel insert is between $2.75 - $3.50/ft depending on the grade of stainless you want. It comes in lengths between 10-16 feet.

I also got my spray rails from them.
Good man, BD! Thank you sir. Seems reasonably priced.

Is the boat still in C’ville? I’m down the road in Richmond and will keep my eyes peeled for a sexy FS19 while I’m in town.

Re: FS 19 build

Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:33 am
by Browndog
The boat is at my brother’s house in C’ville. He lives on a 24 acre hobby farm just North of town.

He’s been using the boat a lot lately on the bay. A couple weeks ago he and a friend caught a dozen rockfish, but they were all short. He’s been enjoying the boat and getting familiar with a number of different fishing spots. He struggles sometimes to find someone to go with him, so if you have an interest I will pass it along.