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FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 9:51 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Allright guys, I've been mostly goofing off for the last 7-8 years :roll:
I have to rectify that by building a boat :)
I ordered the plywood right here today for an FS-18.
Side bar, I'm going to finish the dang plyak while I'm building this boat :wink: :roll:
I'll post up some pictures when Bateau gets me something to work with...lol :lol:

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:05 pm
by Jeff
AA, thank you for your purchase!!! The FS18 is a great skinny water fishing boat and based on your boat building experience, your build will be one to follow and learn!!!! Jeff

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:38 pm
by MrPaul
Sweet! Lots of pics please. The red xf came out really well.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:08 am
by Fuzz
Richard you just made my day :!: I will be watching like a hawk.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:37 am
by Joe H
Good for you Richard! Post pics.

Tell Sandi we said Hi.

Joe H

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:44 am
by topwater
I was wondering what happened to the plyak with the mirage drive :wink:

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:14 pm
by TomW1
Good for you Richard. Say hello to Sandi from Deb and I. :D

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:43 pm
by cape man
Can see it running the creek and Lake Ingraham behind the Cape!

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:31 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks for the thread kickoff gang :D
Hello's sent to Sandi from Tom and Joe.
Funny, she and I were just talking about you this morning Joe. All good of course!!

topwater wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2017 8:44 am I was wondering what happened to the plyak with the mirage drive :wink:
I'm shooting for the record of the slowest boat build in Bateau history :lol: I got a ways to go before I catch KS though :lol:

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:04 pm
by peter-curacao
Aripeka Angler wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:31 pm
I'm shooting for the record of the slowest boat build in Bateau history :lol: I got a ways to go before I catch KS though :lol:
You have a competitor in me there with my flyer :P Cool build Richard I'm sure it's gonna look great as always! 8)
Real curious to the outcome of that Plyak also, love to see it in action with the drive

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:30 pm
by Aripeka Angler
peter-curacao wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:04 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:31 pm
I'm shooting for the record of the slowest boat build in Bateau history :lol: I got a ways to go before I catch KS though :lol:
You have a competitor in me there with my flyer :P Cool build Richard I'm sure it's gonna look great as always! 8)
Real curious to the outcome of that Plyak also, love to see it in action with the drive
Your flyer looks awesome! Lots of detail, easy to see why you are taking your time :D

I'll get back on the plyak while I'm working on the new build :wink:

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:18 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I'm home after a nice weekend in Savannah, Georgia. Great to see Cracker again 8)

While I'm waiting for my kit and plans to arrive for this build, can anyone share the dimensions of the strong back with me?
The only numbers I need are the length and width.
I will build the strong back tomorrow after work...

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:34 pm
by seaslug
Hey Richard, Good choice on the build. If you love fishing skinny water, and if you've ever poled a flats skiff, you'll be extremely happy with this boat. I'm just happy as hell all you FS18 builders don't live anywhere close to my fishing grounds, where I've become accustomed to having all the super shallow flats to myself and a buddy with a Hell's Bay Glades Skiff. For the most part, we rarely see another boat where we fish, and the entrance to the flats is only 1/4 mile from the ramp.....I built my strong back 24" wide, 23" high, which was the perfect height for me, and I'm 5'10" tall, and 179" long. It's been a while so I can't recall exactly how the length worked out as far as the transom/baseline point, but to me the most important thing was frame A sat right at the end of the strong back, with the entire bow section accessible from underneath for stitching the rounded chine, which takes a lot of stitching with the PVC pipes. I'm looking forward to watching another 18 being built. Good luck with the build. Mike

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:14 am
by Aripeka Angler
Mike, thanks for the numbers and well wishes!
I'm excited to start building, not so excited to start sanding :lol:

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:18 am
by Dougster
I'm late to the party but glad to be here. That FS-18 is easy to love. Richard, I've used my Plyak for over a year now and what I like about it is how well it tracks. I can set the paddle down, pick up a rod to cast to a spot, and it stays true on course. Paddling in a quarter head wind is good too, but paddling is a drag compared to the foot drive. I rented a mirage drive hobie several years ago at a builders meet and it was a real pleasure to fish out of, but nowhere near as fast as the plyak.

My plyak is heavy. Too heavy I think. It's too long for my short pickup bed so I put it on top of a little utility trailer I have. I reconfigured a cheap little kayak dolly I found online and it's easy enough to maneuver that way. Mine is not all that stable. It's dumped me several times! It has always happened when I am getting in or out. Once in I'm OK. Last week I took it out for the first time this winter. There's a little river (the Blanco) ten minutes from me with a nice put in spot. No appreciable current. So I eased her in,and gingerly stepped in from the bank. As I approach 68 years of breathing I notice I tend to plop rather than ease down when sitting. Not the best approach for the pylyak, but all went well. The water was a bit off color from rain two days before and there was a fairly brisk wind. I paddled about, wielding a road runner jig on a tiny little 5 foot ultralight rod, and after half an hour was happily surprised by a little 2 lb or so chunky river bass that was laying in wait on the far shore. He jumped 3 times on that little ultralight rig, until I lipped him and eased him back in the water. Half hour later his slightly smaller cousin provided similar entertainment. It was a long up wind paddle back to the car. I'd been out close to 2 hours, was tired, happy, and pleased with myself since I'd fooled around quite a lot in the yak and never got close to a tumble. So I eased up to the bank and decided I'd try to debark directly to shore, without getting my feet wet. I went to secure to paddle at the side and Mr. Ply promptly dumped me head first in 2 feet of cold river :lol:

Looking forward to this thread Dougster

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:19 am
by Aripeka Angler
Doug,
That's a great report on the plyak :)
Your review of the boat makes me want to drag mine out and finish it for sure.
Glad to hear you are enjoying it!
Since I've been slow poking on the yak, I figured I would cheat a bit on FS-18.
I ordered the cnc kit, this boat must be floating by December...

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:44 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Check this out, I ordered the kit on Thursday night (4-16).
Bateau shipped the kit today, that's killer quick!
Jeff and Reid, thank you for your fast service :D

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:47 pm
by peter-curacao
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:44 pm Check this out, I ordered the kit on Thursday night (4-16).
8) :P 8) :P 8)
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Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 4:48 pm
by Jeff
AA, she shipped around 1:30 this afternoon. I will email you an update tomorrow morning on where she is as we have a new contract with R&L Carriers and they are providing really good service and also taking great care of our marine plywood!! Thank you and I look forward to seeing another FS18 being built!! Jeff

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:12 pm
by Aripeka Angler
We are underway, the kit arrived today :)

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After I unpacked the the crate, I picked the multi-tool for the opening salvo on the build...

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Ok, I know it's not much but it's a start :lol:
Pile of parts...

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Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:25 pm
by Browndog
Looks good. I believe the hardest part about any boat building project is starting it! Way to go. Looking forward to seeing your build. Next time you come to Savannah, let me know. I live 40 miles south of Savannah, 7 miles east of Hwy 95. Would love to meet some other boat builders. Glad to take you fishing too.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:53 pm
by Jeff
AA, the build is started!! I must admit, the freight service has been really quick so this year!! Jeff

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:13 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jeff wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:53 pm AA, the build is started!! I must admit, the freight service has been really quick so this year!! Jeff
Yes, no complaints. You guys kicked butt.
The shipper was great, they delivered the product in perfect condition!
The kit was delivered less in less than 7 days after the order...

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:19 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Browndog wrote: Thu Apr 13, 2017 8:25 pm Looks good. I believe the hardest part about any boat building project is starting it! Way to go. Looking forward to seeing your build. Next time you come to Savannah, let me know. I live 40 miles south of Savannah, 7 miles east of Hwy 95. Would love to meet some other boat builders. Glad to take you fishing too.
I just passed your home town a couple of days ago, next time I head up that way I'll give you a holler.
I love the low country, thanks for the offer of a fishing trip :D

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 10:14 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I got a little bit of work done this evening.

After a couple of hours of de-fuzzing cnc cut parts, I glued up the transom...


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I also was able to glue up the stringers and hull panels...


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I should be able to start stitching her together very soon :)

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:12 pm
by Fuzz
Dang man, at this rate you will be fairing by the end of the weekend :wink:

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 5:12 am
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz, probably not quite that fast.
I've got about 4 home projects going as well as feeding cattle. It really hasn't rained here in almost 3 months. There is a small swatch of central Florida is literally burning up.

Here is a product one of my guys at work has been using, he swears by the stuff. He has been remodeling an old house and has been working around fiberglass for a few weeks. He has super sensitive skin and says this product is the cat's meow. I'm going to give it a try when I start glassing...
http://diversifiedcompoundedproducts.co ... r_mano.asp

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Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:01 am
by Larry B
Richard, that MAN-O looks like some great stuff. Thanks for the link, think I'm going to try some as I'm always working on my truck and other projects.
Your moving fast on your build, looks like the kit is a real time saver :D
I'll be watching along with the others.
Larry B

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:33 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Great to hear from you Larry :D
Someone posted a question the other day about spray rails and it got me to thinking about Old Yeller. Do you still have the boat? It was a beautiful build 8)

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:48 pm
by Larry B
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2017 4:33 pm Great to hear from you Larry :D
Someone posted a question the other day about spray rails and it got me to thinking about Old Yeller. Do you still have the boat? It was a beautiful build 8)
Richard, Yes I still have Arizona Sunset :D Don't get out as much as I use to but still get out. Boat is doing great, when I wash her up I still gets lots of compliments at the ramp :D People just can't believe the boat was hand built. I've since put a trolling motor and Bimini top on her.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:12 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Still plugging away after work.
I have built my jig and I am in the process of cleaning up the stringers and lining everything up. I'm far from happy with the alignment but I'll get there. The Chinese birch molds were labeled in pencil d and e from the factory. Should they have been labeled c and d?

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The bow mold notch is bottomed out, I think I need to cut it deeper...

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Starting to read other FS18 threads for ideas, there are a bunch of nice ones under construction and completed.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:16 pm
by Jeff
AA, I will ask Reid to get back to you tomorrow morning as I think he had to adjust the molds as well!! The build Looks really good fast though!! Jeff

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:35 am
by Larry B
Richard, Looking at how fast your moving it reminded me of a commercial I seen lately, so I changed it up for you :D

"It's not how fast you build a boat, It's how well you build a boat fast" :)

Looking good

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:54 am
by Reid
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:12 pm Still plugging away after work.
I have built my jig and I am in the process of cleaning up the stringers and lining everything up. I'm far from happy with the alignment but I'll get there. The Chinese birch molds were labeled in pencil d and e from the factory. Should they have been labeled c and d?

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The bow mold notch is bottomed out, I think I need to cut it deeper...


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Starting to read other FS18 threads for ideas, there are a bunch of nice ones under construction and completed.
AA, sorry about that. You are correct, they should be C and D. Looks good so far!! My only recommendation would be to raise up your strongback with some legs with castors on them. This will help you get underneath and aid in stitching. I also got a good tip from Seaslug, use painter's tape on the inside to cover all the seams. This way the fillets won't run thru at all and will save you a bunch of sanding time when you flip. Lastly, definitely notch out the bow mold and station A a little more so the bow mold sits flush with station A. We will make this change in the CNC kit for the future.
Reid

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:12 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Hi Reid, thanks for the reply :) The kit is working out great!
I've got wheels to go under the skids on the ends of the jig. I'll pick up the jig with the forklift when I get done fussing with the stations...

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:30 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Larry B wrote: Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:35 am Richard, Looking at how fast your moving it reminded me of a commercial I seen lately, so I changed it up for you :D

"It's not how fast you build a boat, It's how well you build a boat fast" :)

Looking good
I like that quote! It really is pertinent to this build.
I've got a deadline to meet with the completion of this boat-hopefully without sacrificing quality.

BTW,I was thinking about putting a pic of your boat in the spray rail thread if that's ok?
Great example of how they look when they are done right...

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:51 pm
by Larry B
BTW,I was thinking about putting a pic of your boat in the spray rail thread if that's ok?
Great example of how they look when they are done right...
Thats fine by me :D
I don't know how to put a youtube link in a post but if you would like here is the link for the spray rail in action too:
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=GhRi4ZEaSnA :)

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:21 am
by Fuzz
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I've got a deadline to meet with the completion of this boat-hopefully without sacrificing quality.
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Are you planning on bringing it as a carry on this summer? :D

Mighty nice work space you have there. Looks like you have plenty of tools for fab work :D

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:23 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Got a little bit done this weekend on the boat. Got her all stitched together :D

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The bow protested a little but with a little gentle persuasion, I got it tightened up...

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Shot for this for type of alignment, was pretty happy with the results...

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Lastly, tacked it together...

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Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:36 pm
by Fuzz
Looking good Richard! Been wondering when we would see an update :D

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:45 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks David :D
I didn't get anything done last week due to a funeral that was out of state.
Calves are dropping so that's slowing me down as well.
All set up for Alaska, looking forward to the trip in August 8)

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:01 pm
by Fuzz
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2017 5:45 pm Thanks David :D
I didn't get anything done last week due to a funeral that was out of state.
Calves are dropping so that's slowing me down as well.
All set up for Alaska, looking forward to the trip in August 8)
Getting older sure seems to come with a lot of funerals :cry: Hate to hear that for anyone.
I did not remember you were a rancher. Hard to think of Florida as cattle country. Just goes to show how wrong perceptions can be.
I will be glad to see you and yours. By then I should have a good handle on where fish are at.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:51 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz, for sure most folks who visit us don't think of Florida as a big cattle producing state. Not the case, we produce about 2 million cattle a year.
Here's a couple of our knuckleheads mugging for a pic earlier this month.


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Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:43 pm
by Fuzz
Looking back those look like Kreg Tool screws you used to pull the bow together. If so did you find they worked better than other screws?

Those look like well feed beasts. I know nothing about cattle or horses for that matter. The wife is the horse expert in the family.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 6:28 am
by glossieblack
Very nice panel alignment!

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Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 8:28 am
by topwater
I have shop envy , nice job with the stitching .

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 8:39 am
by Dougster
Really looks good. None of my builds have looked that neat.

Dougster

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 4:43 pm
by Jeff
AA, great looking start!! You can really tell you are a BUILDER of BOATS!!!! Did you sell you XF yet? Jeff

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Mon May 01, 2017 7:53 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:43 pm Looking back those look like Kreg Tool screws you used to pull the bow together. If so did you find they worked better than other screws?
I am familiar with Kreg screws but the ones in photo are a little different. The head is bigger. We probably use 250,000 screws like the one in the photo per year.

John, Michael, Doug, David and Jeff- I sure appreciate the positive comments and support 8)

John, our shop is about 9,000 square feet. I'm going to meet with a developer on Wednesday to review a proposal to build a 15,000-17,000 square foot building. It's a big step, not sure yet what I want to do :doh:

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 6:53 am
by cape man
Looking good Bhab!

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 3:38 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:51 pm
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Damn it man 8O 8O 8O 8O
is that a hill in Florida :roll:

probably the highest point within couple hundred miles ehh?


P.S. nice job on the build so far

PSS do you bow hunt?

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 8:41 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I got a little bit done this evening, I finished the filets and sanded her out. With a little bit of touch up, I'll be ready for tape...

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I don't know whether y'all noticed, but I tend to make a heckuva mess around the boat build :lol:

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 8:54 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Doc_Dyer wrote: Tue May 02, 2017 3:38 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:51 pm
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Damn it man 8O 8O 8O 8O
is that a hill in Florida :roll:

probably the highest point within couple hundred miles ehh?


P.S. nice job on the build so far

PSS do you bow hunt?
:lol: :lol:

Actually, it is probably the highest point on the peninsula. There are some higher spots in the panhandle, but not many.
When I first built the house, my insurance agent wanted to take flood insurance on it :doh: I said I don't think so :lol:

I'm thinking "Bare Bones" for the name of this boat :doh: Maybe with a fish skeleton between or after the words. Thoughts?

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Tue May 02, 2017 10:49 pm
by Fuzz
You built the house? Mighty nice looking place, big too. But I do not see a widows walk :?
Love the name :!: No idea on the graphics. I am sure you will work that out when the time comes.
You call that a mess :doh: You are going to hate my shop :lol:

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 6:16 am
by glossieblack
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue May 02, 2017 8:54 pm I'm thinking "Bare Bones" for the name of this boat :doh: Maybe with a fish skeleton between or after the words. Thoughts?
The name resonates. Even more so if you're building a tiller steer FS18 in the same spirit as Cape Man's beautifully bare bones ''Hermine'. :D

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 8:33 am
by topwater
Like the name , maybe a graphic of a skull with a fishing pole in its teeth .

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 8:39 am
by Jeff
Great suggestion TopWater!! Jeff

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 8:42 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks guys, "Bare Bones" it is!
Michael, yes the plan is to build her light and minimal but seaworthy.
Capeman did inspire me some with his build, we have been very good friends for about 10 years :D

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 4:11 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Got a little bit of work done today, worked until I got tired anyway. Photo...

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Was able to do all of the exterior glass taping with one Corona 3" Glaskoter. Best rollers on the planet for rolling epoxy...

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I was needing to ask a quick technical question today of someone who has built one of these boats and that got me to thinking about Cracker. He is in a real bad way right now.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 6:05 pm
by glossieblack
Beautiful work Richard. Distressing news about Cracker Larry.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 6:25 pm
by Fuzz
glossieblack wrote: Sun May 07, 2017 6:05 pm Beautiful work Richard. Distressing news about Cracker Larry.
Glossieblack read my mind on both.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 7:31 pm
by Dog Fish
Boat's looking good Richard, but the news about Larry really sucks. I have been thinking about him a lot and hoping for the best.


Brian............

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 9:11 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Brian, Michael and David- thanks for the positive boat building comments.
As for Larry, I was tortured to mention or not mention him in my build thread.
Edit, because he really didn't want people to fuss over him.
He has been a great friend, boat advisor and fishing buddy for 10 years.
Loved him like a brother, not sure what else to say.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 10:22 pm
by Newt
Just read in the Bilge where Larry passed away. RIP Larry.

Makes me sad and I didn't even know the man except for this forum. Strange how the internet brings people together.

Newt

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 10:27 pm
by cape man
Boat is looking great Richard. Posted about Larry in the Bilge (seemed appropriate).

Saw you eye balling Hermine on the beach.... if I could swing another trailer, a Bare Bones FS 18 was my next choice.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 1:43 am
by glossieblack
Thanks Richard and Craig for supporting CL when he needed it most.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 6:29 am
by Aripeka Angler
I was just about to post an an idea yesterday when the sad news came in about Larry.
I am going to try my hand at building my own casting platform, poling platform and grab bar.
I'm pretty sure I can do it. I'm going to do the casting platform first.
The plan is to make use of this stuff, it's carbon fiber...

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Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 2:16 pm
by Fuzz
This will be interesting to watch. :D

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 5:38 pm
by TomW1
Richard you going to change the name of her to THE CRACKER.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:09 pm
by Aripeka Angler
TomW1 wrote: Mon May 08, 2017 5:38 pm Richard you going to change the name of her to THE CRACKER.
No, for two reasons :)
1) It's really not my boat, I don't think the customer will want to change the name.
2) Even if it was, I still wouldn't do it. I once named a boat after a sister-in-law who had breast cancer but was recovering.
I barely had the boat dropped in the water and Debra Lee had a relapse and died soon after. I wanted to cry every time I looked at the transom. I said never again...

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 8:33 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Newt wrote: Sun May 07, 2017 10:22 pm Just read in the Bilge where Larry passed away. RIP Larry.

Makes me sad and I didn't even know the man except for this forum. Strange how the internet brings people together.

Newt
Sorry Newt, I missed your post last night.
Yes, CL will be missed for sure.
He sure helped me a bunch with tech support with my boat building. I just called him up, he never minded helping out.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 7:09 am
by cape man
Don't get too fancy on us 8)

Remember....Bare.Bones.

Actually can't wait to see what you create. She deserves a little bling.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Wed May 10, 2017 1:34 pm
by Doc_Dyer
cape man wrote: Tue May 09, 2017 7:09 am . She deserves a little bling.
speaking of bling. I caint believe that you are finally replacing your GPS

did someone buy you one? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Wed May 10, 2017 6:36 pm
by cape man
You don't need a GPS if you know where you are. Problem is I fished an area I hadn't been to in 10+ years and found a couple of oyster bars I forgot about!

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Wed May 10, 2017 7:34 pm
by AmbitiousRookie
Ouch only good that could come out of that is you didn't have to paddle back did ya lol

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Wed May 10, 2017 9:05 pm
by Fuzz
Hope you were not doing 45 knots when you found them :help:

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Wed May 10, 2017 10:36 pm
by Newt
I have had to wait for high tide before. It lets one relax and enjoy nature. :help:

Newt

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Thu May 11, 2017 2:34 pm
by cape man
Oh I knew they were there, just not where, so fortunately I was not running full out. Still hate that sound of the skeg on hard bottom. Worse than a dentist's drill (yeah Bradley, that one was for you!).

'nough about me and my old boat. Back to the Bare Bones build.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Thu May 11, 2017 5:37 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Y'all aren't bothering me one bit. :wink: I'm hoping for a non-boring thread, all chatter is welcome :D
I'm in the mountains today, no boat building until Sunday afternoon at the earliest.
Supposed to raining here in the morning with temps in the low 50's.
What a nice change 8)
I'll post some boat pics on Sunday night.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 3:43 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Got a little bit done this afternoon.
Gave the boat a light sanding, precut the cloth for the bottom and put the last strip of tape on the chines.
I was planning on following up the tape with wet on wet full hull glassing but I chickened out.
It was over 100F in the shop, the dang epoxy was going off in 10-15 minutes.
I'm going to try again at 0600.
I've never chilled epoxy before, but I'm thinking about trying it :doh:

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 3:48 pm
by Jaysen
I've had to switch back to slow. Still only getting 15-20min out of it.

I was thinking "ice bath" but can't figure out how I'd get the epoxy to flow. My last attempt resulted in something less willing to flow than molasses.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 5:34 pm
by cape_fisherman
Tropical...or get your manufacturer to custom blend it for you. They'll work with you, ya know.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:08 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jaysen wrote: Sat May 20, 2017 3:48 pm I've had to switch back to slow. Still only getting 15-20min out of it.

I was thinking "ice bath" but can't figure out how I'd get the epoxy to flow. My last attempt resulted in something less willing to flow than molasses.
The only speed of hardener I use is slow, wish they made a super duper slow.
I'm going to shoot for 70 degrees for the chilled epoxy.
I'll post (hopefully great) results tomorrow...

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 8:57 pm
by Fuzz
I do not know how you could do anything at that temperature :help: If I was just sitting there for 5 minutes you would have to call 911.
Glad to hear you are working on it some. I was thinking I was going to have to give Jaysen a break and start razzing you :lol:

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 9:49 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Sat May 20, 2017 8:57 pm I do not know how you could do anything at that temperature :help: If I was just sitting there for 5 minutes you would have to call 911.
Glad to hear you are working on it some. I was thinking I was going to have to give Jaysen a break and start razzing you :lol:
Even though I'm a native Florida cracker, it's pretty damn hot for this time of the year! It's not too bad in the shade, it was only 96 today. I should put a thermometer in the shop, it had to be 106 in there today.
I'm getting up at 0430 so it's cool enough to laminate in the morning and I don't get razzed too bad :lol:
Off topic, we are finalizing our plans for the AK trip in August. Tickets bought, ready to go. Looking forward to the trip...

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 9:57 pm
by Fuzz
As soon as your plans are final send me an itinerary so I can make sure the decks are clear for that time. My plan is to be free to fish any and all days you want to.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 10:56 pm
by Dutch1
If you've never been to Alaska before you are in for a treat. That place is absolutely amazing!

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 11:10 pm
by Mikem59
No, doubt, Alaska is beyond beautiful. One of those places that pictures or video can't capture what your eyes can first hand. You'll no doubt enjoy it Aripeka.

Fuzz, when I made my trip to Alaska, I wasn't too far from you, certainly drove through your neck of the woods. We stayed at a small lodge in Ninilchik.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sat May 20, 2017 11:25 pm
by glossieblack
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat May 20, 2017 9:49 pm
Even though I'm a native Florida cracker ......
This prodded me to consult Wikipedia, so now I know what a Florida or Georgia cracker is. Which explains Cracker Larry and Richard the cracker. Interesting. :D

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 1:41 am
by Fuzz
Mikem59 wrote: Sat May 20, 2017 11:10 pm No, doubt, Alaska is beyond beautiful. One of those places that pictures or video can't capture what your eyes can first hand. You'll no doubt enjoy it Aripeka.

Fuzz, when I made my trip to Alaska, I wasn't too far from you, certainly drove through your neck of the woods. We stayed at a small lodge in Ninilchik.
Dutch1 and Mikem59 I am sure the Alaska tourism board would be pleased to hear you guys :D
Mikem59 you were just down the road about 30 miles from me. I live looking out over the mouth of the Kasilof river.
I have said it before but I will say it again, anyone from this forum is more than welcome to contact me if they will be in this area. I will take you fishing and try to give you my best advice on what to do here.
I think Richard has been up here 3-4 times before. So that is one Cracker who likes it here. I had absolutely no luck convincing Larry he would enjoy a trip here.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 8:08 am
by cape_fisherman
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat May 20, 2017 8:08 pm
The only speed of hardener I use is slow, wish they made a super duper slow.

cape_fisherman wrote: Sat May 20, 2017 5:34 pm Tropical...or get your manufacturer to custom blend it for you. They'll work with you, ya know.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 10:28 am
by topwater
Richard you won't have any problems with epoxy flow at 70 degrees. I built my boat between 65 and 72 degrees
in my shop with slow hardener but it was with silvertip . Have i ever told you guys how i really miss having a climate controlled
shop :wink: Man i could use one living here in Florida .

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 10:37 am
by Aripeka Angler
I love it when a plan comes together :D

I chilled the epoxy to 70F and went at it at 0600.
I started at the stern and advanced to the bow evenly in order to keep a wet edge.

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I was mixing and laminating solo. It took 3 hours and 42 minutes start to finish...

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The bloody aftermath :lol:

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:D

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 10:45 am
by topwater
Nice :!: Did i read somewhere that you are building this boat for someone else ?

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 12:20 pm
by Jeff
Great work AA!!! Your FS18 is looking great!! Jeff

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 12:28 pm
by Aripeka Angler
topwater wrote: Sun May 21, 2017 10:45 am Nice :!: Did i read somewhere that you are building this boat for someone else ?
Thanks! Yes, it's going to be a Christmas gift for my best friend.

Dutch1 wrote: Sat May 20, 2017 10:56 pm If you've never been to Alaska before you are in for a treat. That place is absolutely amazing!
Dutch and Mike, Alaska truly is amazing. As Fuzz said, this will be my fourth trip up there.
Looking forward to it...

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 12:33 pm
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Sat May 20, 2017 11:25 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat May 20, 2017 9:49 pm
Even though I'm a native Florida cracker ......
This prodded me to consult Wikipedia, so now I know what a Florida or Georgia cracker is. Which explains Cracker Larry and Richard the cracker. Interesting. :D
It's actually a point of pride for us native Floridians to be referred to as "Florida Crackers"
Those of us who are over 50 that can truly call ourselves natives are a small portion of the overall population.
Jeff wrote: Sun May 21, 2017 12:20 pm Great work AA!!! Your FS18 is looking great!! Jeff
Thank you sir :D

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 1:15 pm
by Fuzz
AA your glass works looks just like I thought it would........PERFECT :D
That is going to be heck of a X-mas present! I am sure your friend will be blown away :!:

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 2:04 pm
by cape man
Looking good Richard, looking good. 8) Sorry you were done before we came through town today.

They weren't Crackers, but the great grand parents on Mother's side moved here from Savannah in the late 1800's. First paid fire chief in Tampa. The father's family moved from Arkansas during the depression to find work. Those of us born here have seen the change. Makes you want to cry sometimes...

But a well built FS18 can still sneak back into some waters that are pretty much the same as then, and go all day without seeing a human.

If anyone's interested, read A Land Remembered by Patrick Smith. Quick, agressive change. That's Florida.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 4:20 pm
by cottontop
Your build is beautiful. The glasswork is impeccable as usual. That is going to be some "surprise". Of course, knowing you and the really good person you are, I'm not surprised. Capeman, I've read the book. It really is a great depiction of the way Florida was. Like ya'll, my wife and I are "Crackers". She goes back five generations and I four. John

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 5:07 pm
by Aripeka Angler
John, thank you and great to hear from you again :D I hope you and Shella are doing well.
Craig and David, thanks for the compliments! I'm going to push this build hard to get it done before December.
I edited the thread title to reflect the proposed name of the boat...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 6:23 pm
by Jeff
Great future boat name AA!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 9:22 pm
by seaslug
Nice glass job Richard. I also glassed mine alone, and all in one shot wet on wet. Feels mighty nice to peel off that last pair of gloves and relax doesn't it? Hey, if I become your second bestest friend will you build me the new wider FS18. I don't really need another boat, but every once in a while I need one slightly bigger for a third angler.....I have a good feeling there may be a few FS18's at the Jensen Beach meeting in October. That would be very cool. Mike

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 10:54 pm
by BrianC
Were you able to use the same roller cover and pan throughout or did you need to periodically swap them out? I've been unsure when mixing new batches whether the remnants of the previous batch would accelerate the new one so I've alway used a fresh container and brush - maybe needlessly! This hasn't been an issue on my current (small - i.e. SK14) build, but will make a difference on my next, larger, project.

Re: Aripeka Angler's FS-18

Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 3:21 am
by glossieblack
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun May 21, 2017 12:33 pm It's actually a point of pride for us native Floridians to be referred to as "Florida Crackers"
Those of us who are over 50 that can truly call ourselves natives are a small portion of the overall population.
To be a genuine Florida Cracker or Georgia Cracker, do you have to be able to demonstrate ancestry in the area back to pre Civil War? Or just been around longer than most?

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 6:12 am
by cape man
Anyone here before refrigeration and A.C. was a tough Cracker. 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 8:00 am
by topwater
Being a transplanted yankee i don't think i could live here if there was no air conditioning .
But then again i don't think there are too many people born and raised here that would go deer hunting
in 2 ' snow and 15 below zero either :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 10:14 am
by Dougster
Beautiful glass work Richard, better than I can manage for sure. I do know what it takes for a push like that, so good on you.

Dougster

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 2:29 pm
by Aripeka Angler
To be a genuine Florida Cracker or Georgia Cracker, do you have to be able to demonstrate ancestry in the area back to pre Civil War? Or just been around longer than most?
Either one works but being born here is an absolute requirement.
Anyone here before refrigeration and A.C. was a tough Cracker. 8)
We certainty had a fridge when I was growing up but no AC.
My elementary school had no AC either, they just had big casement windows that opened. Best I remember, I was in the 5th grade when they installed AC at school. I'm guessing you had a similar experience.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 2:57 pm
by Aripeka Angler
BrianC wrote: Sun May 21, 2017 10:54 pm Were you able to use the same roller cover and pan throughout or did you need to periodically swap them out? I've been unsure when mixing new batches whether the remnants of the previous batch would accelerate the new one so I've alway used a fresh container and brush - maybe needlessly! This hasn't been an issue on my current (small - i.e. SK14) build, but will make a difference on my next, larger, project.
I used one disposable tray liner and one roller cover on Sunday's layup. I mixed 6 consecutive 24 ounce batches, cleaning out the tray completely with the roller before dropping in another pot full of the epoxy mixture.
The trick to using one roller is choosing the right roller. I use a short nap roller designed for applying adhesives. A proper roller cover does not store a bunch of material in it, therefore it does not get as hot and melt down.
To date, I have used 2 roller covers and 3 chip brushes on this boat.
Foam rollers have their place in boat work but it's not for laminating (by foam rollers I mean the cheapo Lowes type).

Mike and Doug, thanks for checking out my build and thanks for the compliments.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu May 25, 2017 8:41 am
by fitzclf
Hi Richard, nice progress, have a question about the the cloth. How much did you order and how much do you think you used for the hull.
Thanks,
Chris

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu May 25, 2017 11:10 am
by Aripeka Angler
fitzclf wrote: Thu May 25, 2017 8:41 am Hi Richard, nice progress, have a question about the the cloth. How much did you order and how much do you think you used for the hull.
Thanks,
Chris
Hi Chris,
The glass sells by the yard. It takes 14 yards to cover the the bottom of the hull, wrap the transom and the hull sides from bow to stern. I overlapped the centerline of the bottom by 4" with the first piece. That covered half the boat with the only seam being the corner cut at the back of the transom. I repeated the same on the other side lapping over the first piece by 6" or so.
Go ahead and trim the overhanging waste pieces down by the floor of your upside down hull. If you do a neat job of trimming the scrap, you can use the leftovers on the inside of the hull.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 4:35 pm
by Aripeka Angler
This is stage of the build where I usually say there isn't much to post that's picture worthy.
This is the bit to use when you need to trim off overhanging glass.

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The bit setup in the router. Caution, make sure the distance from the bearing to the base is less than the hull thickness.

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It took 2 minutes to trim the hull.

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Lows to fill in.

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And finally, first scratch coats of fairing compound.

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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 5:55 pm
by fitzclf
Excellent photos, these will be very helpful for for comparison when I get to that point. And thanks for the info on the cloth, will be placing that order soon! Keep posting those photos, will be soaking them up like resin to ply, or vice-versa which ever one makes more sense.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 6:54 pm
by Jeff
AA, really nice work!!! She is coming along nicely!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 9:21 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Chris! Hopefully I can post a tip or two that someone can use.
I'm going to hit the boat with the long board tomorrow and apply more fairing compound. Once I get her somewhat fair, I'll switch over to Quick Fair.

Jeff, thank you! I appreciate the support.
I see that you now have the Corona glasskoter roller covers up on your site. I ordered enough from you today to finish the boat. Thanks for stocking them. They really do a fantastic job wetting out tape and fiberglass cloth...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 9:29 pm
by Fuzz
That this is starting to look a lot like a boat :D You are making some really good progress.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 10:46 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks David! I really want to flip the boat over and start on the inside. CL would say- "You know that ain't right don't you ?" :D

The webmaster here has emailed me a "bare bones" graphic, it looks pretty damn cool :D

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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 11:08 pm
by cape man
Go Richard, Go!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri May 26, 2017 11:12 pm
by Jaysen
You've got to use that graphic.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 2:20 am
by Fuzz
Jaysen wrote: Fri May 26, 2017 11:12 pm You've got to use that graphic.
Jasen is correct :!: And the more I think about it that is a great name for a simple skiff.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 6:35 am
by Aripeka Angler
I think I won round 1, not sure :lol:

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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 6:43 am
by willg
You are really trucking along! It has been fun to watch a pro at work. Thanks for all the pics.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 8:21 am
by Larry B
Richard, boat is looking great. you really did that first coat of fairing fast, man my arms hurt looking at that last picture :wink:
Your building that boat well, FAST :D
Larry B

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 8:30 am
by Buz
I thank you too, for the great photo documentation.

I'm hoping to see your technique for applying the graphic. Its something I'd like to do for mine.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 9:31 am
by Dougster
You're sure moving fast Richard. I can tell from the pic you're better at fairing than I am. I'd sure give you round one.

Dougster

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 10:45 am
by TomW1
Richard your tips and pointers will help a lot of guys in the future. :D She's looking great and your moving along fast.

Tom

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 12:47 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Will, Larry and Doug. Thanks for the compliments guys, it means a lot coming from such great builders.

Buz, I have no idea how to put on graphics.
I will figure it out though and post the details.

Tom, thanks. I plan to document this build as best I can. Hopefully, a future builder can pick up a tip or two from the thread.
Hopefully, I didn't miss anyone. Thanks all!

Started round 2 of fairing, I think I'm ahead on the scorecard. I'm using quick fair now...

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I'll hit her with the long board again in the morning. I also have Godzilla the RO idling, ready for action :wink:

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:D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:17 pm
by MrPaul
I'll hit her with the long board again in the morning. I also have Godzilla the RO idling, ready for action :wink:
Ooooh....Paul want!


That RO looks like a big help. If I wasn't almost done fairing I'd get one for sure!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 1:19 pm
by cape man
Patties a pro at graphics and can get you a break. When you get there we'll come up.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 2:02 pm
by Jeff
Nice AA, you are really moving quickly!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 2:10 pm
by Fuzz
Man that sander looks like a two man job. I bet it is the ticket for the flat areas. What is it normally used for?
Do NOT let it strain anything that will not be healed before August :lol:
And like others are saying it is looking good. Makes me wish I was much closer so I could see a pro in action and maybe even learn something :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 5:52 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Sat May 27, 2017 2:10 pm Man that sander looks like a two man job. I bet it is the ticket for the flat areas. What is it normally used for?
Do NOT let it strain anything that will not be healed before August :lol:
And like others are saying it is looking good. Makes me wish I was much closer so I could see a pro in action and maybe even learn something :wink:
Godzilla, (my nickname for this sander) is about as heavy as a 283 Chevy small block :lol:
It's powerful, but you can literally control it with one finger.
It's normally used to grind on corian or other solid surface countertop material.
This rig will make a huge pile of dust in mere seconds.
It has a built in vacuum shroud and it is connected to a central dust control system.
The sanding disks are a foot or more in diameter. Should be interesting, I have an ample supply of 60-80 grit disks.
I plan to sand round 2 before daylight in the morning and apply round 3 fairing. I'll post pictures...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 8:03 pm
by Jeff
AA, I agree, that is one big sander!!! Handle with care and post photos when you have time!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 9:59 pm
by cape man
I've seen the sander. I knew Richard would build another boat just to use it on some Quick Fair 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 10:15 pm
by Jaysen
cape man wrote: Sat May 27, 2017 1:19 pm Patties a pro at graphics and can get you a break. When you get there we'll come up.
On the graphics... is that an appliqué? I've got something for Lil Bit and I'm a bit out of my league. Willing to through some $$ at it...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 6:12 am
by cape man
Yes, it's vinyl.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 12:45 pm
by Aripeka Angler
The longboard knocked me down a couple of times, but I was able to finish round 2 of fairing.
It's coming along...

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The ro worked fantastic!
If I was building a TW28 or something big, I would absolutely get one of these babies...

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I was working in a Tyvek suit with respirator and gloves. Man it's tough in this heat!! I was totally hosed when I took off the gear.

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This is where I'm at now. In a week or so, after 3 more rounds of fairing, I'll prime the boat.

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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 12:55 pm
by Fuzz
I am guessing the wet gloves are from sweat? Man you are one tough sucker to be working in that heat. If it were me there would be no need to call the paramedics just go ahead and call the funeral home.
Love the saying on the longboard.............it fits very well
On the plus side things are looking really good :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 1:23 pm
by glossieblack
Inspirational work Richard. 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 6:04 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Sun May 28, 2017 12:55 pm I am guessing the wet gloves are from sweat? Man you are one tough sucker to be working in that heat. If it were me there would be no need to call the paramedics just go ahead and call the funeral home.
Love the saying on the longboard.............it fits very well
On the plus side things are looking really good :D
Thank you, and yes it was 100% sweat. I'm pretty allergic to epoxy dust so I have to gear up when I sand it.
It was probably close to 98F in the shop when I headed for the house. Not sure how hot it was in the Tyvek suit :doh:
This is the reason why I love to visit Alaska in the summer :wink:
I wrote the message on the longboard to keep me going when I want to quit :lol:
glossieblack wrote: Sun May 28, 2017 1:23 pm Inspirational work Richard. 8)
Thank you! Your work is also an inspiration for me.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 6:48 pm
by Dog Fish
Hi Richard, nice job on "Bare Bones"
What's the manufacture of that sander, I think that is one of those must haves.



Brian...........

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 7:02 pm
by Fuzz
Alaska in summer.............Florida in winter. That would be as good as it gets :D
I have sweated that much before, but it was a years total. :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun May 28, 2017 8:24 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Dog Fish wrote: Sun May 28, 2017 6:48 pm Hi Richard, nice job on "Bare Bones"
What's the manufacture of that sander, I think that is one of those must haves.



Brian...........

Thanks Brian!
The brand of the sander is GEM. The retail price with the dust shroud is about $600. You can get one without the shroud for $400 but I wouldn't go that route. It's one badass sander :D
Fuzz wrote: Sun May 28, 2017 7:02 pm Alaska in summer.............Florida in winter. That would be as good as it gets :D
I have sweated that much before, but it was a years total. :lol:
:lol:
In about 2 or 3 years, I hope to buy a home in Alaska...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 10:01 am
by Dougster
Dang Richard, I want you on my side. That's true sweat equity. I wonder if I could even pick that sander up. I'm betting no one on the forum would be fool enough to stand within 10 feet of me if I had a hold of it and turned it on :D

Shakes his head in wonder Dougster

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 1:50 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I decided to go ahead and fabricate the skeg and install it. I picked a nice piece of African mahogany scrap that was left over from the brightwork on Hermine.

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I screwed the mahogany to the top of a spoil board. The object of this operation is to clean up the edges of a small board without risk of losing a finger. It also allows you to make the angle cut on the skeg.

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I sawed all four sides on the table saw, then used a rounding over bit to put a nice radius on the skeg.

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I shot the bottom of the boat with a laser in order to get the skeg installed perfectly straight.
I put a series of marks on the hull following the laser line.
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After I finished marking the hull, I installed the skeg with epoxy/wood flour mix along with four drops of hot glue to hold it in place. I went ahead and filleted the lower edge of the skeg and called it good enough for today. I'll put a layer of biaxial over it later.


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I hit the hull again with the longboard and applied another skim coat of quick fair.

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I'll sand it out this afternoon to see where I'm at...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 1:59 pm
by Fuzz
Moving right along there AA. You make most of us look like slugs :lol:
Neat trick with the table saw. I am amazed at all the little tricks I pick up from this site. Now if this Cloof just just remember them when he needs to :roll:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 2:36 pm
by cape man
Going fast brother!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 7:01 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Dougster wrote: Mon May 29, 2017 10:01 am Dang Richard, I want you on my side. That's true sweat equity. I wonder if I could even pick that sander up. I'm betting no one on the forum would be fool enough to stand within 10 feet of me if I had a hold of it and turned it on :D

Shakes his head in wonder Dougster
:lol: You crack me up :D
I've met you, are plenty sturdy enough to run the GEM sander. It's heavy, but you can control it with one finger...
Fuzz wrote: Mon May 29, 2017 1:59 pm Moving right along there AA. You make most of us look like slugs :lol:
Neat trick with the table saw. I am amazed at all the little tricks I pick up from this site. Now if this Cloof just just remember them when he needs to :roll:
I know, I also have forgot plenty of tricks I've learned over the years as well.
FWIW, I could have cut that skeg on my CNC router, but I wanted to do it the hard way on the table saw.
I figured maybe someone could learn a new trick from my post...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 9:13 pm
by terrulian
Great work and great documentation.
I'm glad you posted the table saw trick. Who has a CNC machine anyway?

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 9:29 pm
by Aripeka Angler
terrulian wrote: Mon May 29, 2017 9:13 pm Great work and great documentation.
I'm glad you posted the table saw trick. Who has a CNC machine anyway?
Thank you sir!
Did you see the rubber spoons I used to make the fillets on the lower side of the skeg?
This batch of baby spoons were a little limp, but still very useful 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 1:30 am
by Fuzz
Yes AA thank you and everyone else who share things that make this madness easier. Now who has the trick to make sanding painless :doh: :lol: :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 3:28 am
by glossieblack
Richard, am I correct in assuming that the GEM sander is too heavy for controllable use on vertical surfaces?

The quality and speed of your work is really impressive. 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 5:57 am
by Eric1
I'm enjoying your build Richard. Thank you for posting.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 12:57 pm
by majorgator
Hurry up, will ya?
All this talk about fairing and sanding and long-boards is making me a little queasy :wink: :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 7:34 pm
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Tue May 30, 2017 3:28 am Richard, am I correct in assuming that the GEM sander is too heavy for controllable use on vertical surfaces?

The quality and speed of your work is really impressive. 8)
Thank you sir!
I'm using the GEM sander on vertical surfaces but it is a challenge for sure.
I going to stop short of recommending the sander for that application.
For what it's worth, I was thinking it would be cool to have the hull mounted on some sort of rotisserie device. Maybe I'll ponder that on the next build.
Eric1 wrote: Tue May 30, 2017 5:57 am I'm enjoying your build Richard. Thank you for posting.
Your welcome Eric! I'll try to keep it interesting.
majorgator wrote: Tue May 30, 2017 12:57 pm Hurry up, will ya?
All this talk about fairing and sanding and long-boards is making me a little queasy :wink: :D
Speaking of queasy, do you know that american red snapper and gag grouper both open on Thursday?
ARS season is a whopping 3 days long.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 8:06 pm
by majorgator
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue May 30, 2017 7:34 pm
Speaking of queasy, do you know that american red snapper and gag grouper both open on Thursday?
ARS season is a whopping 3 days long.
Yes, and all 3 days are calling for thunderstorms. Those poor ARS are so rare that we caught one in 30' a few trips ago on your boat. :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 9:43 pm
by Fuzz
Being able to rotate the hull would sure make life easier. I bet someone out of this bunch could come up with an easy way.

When you guys go fishing down there do you have to take a marine biologist and a lawyer with you so you know what you can keep :doh: I guess CapeMan can take care of the first part :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 9:53 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Tue May 30, 2017 9:43 pm Being able to rotate the hull would sure make life easier. I bet someone out of this bunch could come up with an easy way.

When you guys go fishing down there do you have to take a marine biologist and a lawyer with you so you know what you can keep :doh: I guess CapeMan can take care of the first part :lol:
I hope I don't need a lawyer anytime soon :lol:
Capeman is fishing with me this week, I bet we get a fish or three.
He knows his fish for sure.

On the topic of hull rotation, I'm being serious.
It would make good sense not to contort like a pretzel when you work on the side of the boat...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 10:11 pm
by Jaysen
The problem would be counter balancing as hull is completed and making the "temporary" attachment to the strongback temporary yet strong enough. That said, it wouldn't be that hard to build.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 11:00 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jaysen wrote: Tue May 30, 2017 10:11 pm The problem would be counter balancing as hull is completed and making the "temporary" attachment to the strongback temporary yet strong enough. That said, it wouldn't be that hard to build.
I'm not sure I can explain this but I'll try.
I've got the idea of 2 upside down t-shaped bases attached to my slab with tapcons. Holes drilled in the top of the upside down t's. The hull is attached to the strongback. The strongback has a drop down bracket that is through bolted through the top of the two upside down t's.
On the opposite side of the bracket, a delta shaped fixture with a sweeping concentric radius and a through bolt to allow the strongback to be clamped in any position.
Call me crazy, it will work :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 8:33 am
by Larry B
For what it's worth, I was thinking it would be cool to have the hull mounted on some sort of rotisserie device.
They do it all the time for car builders, don't know why it wouldn't work with a boat. Wouldn't have to be near as strong.
Great idea Richard :D

here is one a guy made for a car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSmGSULe-jM

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 9:19 am
by Dougster
That is very cool. I, for one, didn't even know what a "tapcon" was and had to google it. Recognized them though. If you're building more than one boat, that sure would be practical. Good thread going here for sure.

Dougster

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 11:06 am
by Jaysen
The thing with car builders is that often the car is already built. That makes balancing the rotisserie a bit less challenging. You already know the two weights (min/max) and where COG is before you start. Easy to find the right compromise point. With something starting a "zero" and increasing to "depends on builder" you have to have a very flexible and secure counter balance mechanism or some manner of adjustable pivot point to account for the changing COG on the rotational axis. You also have to count for the changing stresses on the hull/strong back as you rotate the fixture.

That said, I agree. It would be very handy. And for most hulls not extremely difficult for an experienced builder. It could be difficult or even dangerous for an idiot like me to attempt though.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 12:25 pm
by Fuzz
My two cents worth. A piece of 3 inch pipe ran through transom to bow would work. No problem filling in the hole when done. Weld a flange with bolt holes on one end of the pipe and one to your stand. Rotate hull as needed and bolt in place. Even if it was off balance some it would still work.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:18 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I'm back from a 4 day fishing trip :D
I spent 4 hours sanding tonight. I was pretty much dead when I finished.
Getting close to primer...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:32 pm
by Fuzz
There has to be some good pictures and stories from a 4 day trip.
I will wait to get the x-rated ones in person :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:03 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Mon Jun 05, 2017 9:32 pm There has to be some good pictures and stories from a 4 day trip.
I will wait to get the x-rated ones in person :lol:
I'll give you a preview :lol:
Cracker and Craig had been bitching about my 30' of 5/16" chain and 20 lb. anchor on the big boat for the last 7 or 8 years :lol:
I bought a Lewmar windlass 5 years ago, still haven't found time to install it :roll: I have the switch on the dash, that's it :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:22 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Here's a couple of pics from our red snapper trip, Craig chilling and fishing...

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John with a red snapper...

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John and Craig with snappers...

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Harrison (my son) chilling with a beer,
you can see by this pic that we had calm seas.
We could run 45 kts, there was no wind..

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Got back in and Harrison and John got some nice trout on my XF20...

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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:00 am
by Fuzz
So Craig was worried your anchor was not big enough if it started to blow. I am glad to know this. When we take the skiff I am building out next year I do not want him to worry over the anchor. I was planning on using thisImage
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Just need to find a little larger anchor roller :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:49 am
by Fuzz
If you do not mind look and tell me all the parts you need to make your windless work. I have a ProFish 700 but all it came with was the winch and I am not sure the extra parts I need.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 5:55 am
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:49 am If you do not mind look and tell me all the parts you need to make your windless work. I have a ProFish 700 but all it came with was the winch and I am not sure the extra parts I need.
The winch kit is over at my Hudson beach house.
I'm due to go over there on Wednesday, I'll have a look in the winch box.
The boat was pre-wired with the switch already on the console.
If there is a part in the box you can use, I'll throw it in my suitcase and bring it to you when I fly up.
I'll let you know what's in the box...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:49 am
by cape man
So Craig was worried your anchor was not big enough if it started to blow.
That isn't it at all. I'm worried that I'm going to be the poor slob sent forward to haul 100 pounds of anchor and chain up from 100 feet because the captain hasn't installed the beautiful windlass he purchased 5 years ago! Hell, the warranty is out and it's never gotten the first bit of juice put to it!!! That hook is not slipping!

To be honest though, fishing with Richard off shore is worth the pain of pulling that hook...just getting harder for this old fart. The younguns made it look easy :roll: :roll:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:39 pm
by Aripeka Angler
cape man wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 11:49 am
So Craig was worried your anchor was not big enough if it started to blow.
That isn't it at all. I'm worried that I'm going to be the poor slob sent forward to haul 100 pounds of anchor and chain up from 100 feet because the captain hasn't installed the beautiful windlass he purchased 5 years ago! Hell, the warranty is out and it's never gotten the first bit of juice put to it!!! That hook is not slipping!

To be honest though, fishing with Richard off shore is worth the pain of pulling that hook...just getting harder for this old fart. The younguns made it look easy :roll: :roll:
Love you brother :D
I'll get that winch on very soon, before we go fishing again. Sure am glad I didn't buy the extended warranty :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:36 pm
by Jeff
AA, getting some real positive feedback on your recommended rollers!!! Thank you for the guidance!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:41 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jeff wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:36 pm AA, getting some real positive feedback on your recommended rollers!!! Thank you for the guidance!! Jeff
You're welcome, great to hear!
I also put a thread up last night recommending them.
It's in the resin, fiberglass and paint section.
Best epoxy roller cover made :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 8:40 pm
by Fuzz
I was starting to wonder if Craig was going to rise to that anchor bait I tossed out or not :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:24 pm
by Fuzz
Richard there is no rush on the winch parts. It will be next summer before I need it. I am just not sure what I need and the factory was no help. They said contact the local dealer.............that might work better if there was one :doh:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:52 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:24 pm Richard there is no rush on the winch parts. It will be next summer before I need it. I am just not sure what I need and the factory was no help. They said contact the local dealer.............that might work better if there was one :doh:
I'll let you know what I find.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 9:54 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jeff wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:36 pm AA, getting some real positive feedback on your recommended rollers!!! Thank you for the guidance!! Jeff
How about this for a product endorsement :D

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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:02 pm
by Eric1
You got me convinced! Jeff is working an order for me in the morning.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:58 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Tue Jun 06, 2017 10:02 pm You got me convinced! Jeff is working an order for me in the morning.
I'm pretty sure you will find them useful 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:08 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Not much to report today except buckets full of rain and fairing dust :D No pics, I promise to post some this coming weekend.
I did get started programming the cnc for the grab bar.
Also bought some cool led nav shark lights. Livorsi is the brand, they are pricey but super efficient. The lights are supposed to last a long time and they just look nice.
In the theme of "Bare Bones", the electrical system of this boat will work off of a small lawn tractor battery...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:35 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I got a little bit of work done today on the boat. This is what a grab bar looks like on a cnc screen...

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And cutting in progress...

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This is the legs for the bow casting stool...

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More parts cut out...

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Cleaned up the parts and clamped them together to show y'all what they will look like.
After they are glued up, everything will get wrapped with a carbon fiber sock. I still need to build the round bases, that's for another day.
Y'all won't believe it, but this stuff is surprisingly light weight.

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The braces on the grab rail will be mortised into the upright and glued and taped.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:41 pm
by Fuzz
Must be nice to have the "big boy" toys to use for your build :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:46 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Oh yeah, I forgot something. I'm not much of a fan of fixed push pole brackets. So, I'm trying to engineer my own version of a pull up bracket.
I picked starboard for the material, if I get it sized just right I hope to eliminate the bungee.
This is the prototype...

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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:50 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:41 pm Must be nice to have the "big boy" toys to use for your build :lol:

I promised myself I wasn't going to use the dang thing, but the temptation was too strong :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:05 pm
by seaslug
Richard, pretty nifty looking grab bar you're making, and nice work on the Starboard push pole holders as well. I like working with that stuff, and it holds up seemingly forever, even in the Florida sun. A few concerns I have though are the hole in the deck that would always hold water, unless drains are added, but my main concern, even with a snug and perfect fit, is the possibility of the pole bouncing out while running in a chop, or hitting a boat wake. I'm sure you've probably thought these things through, but figured I'd mention them anyway. I hope you have this boat in Jensen Beach in October. Enjoying following your build. Mike

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:46 am
by Aripeka Angler
seaslug wrote: Thu Jun 08, 2017 11:05 pm Richard, pretty nifty looking grab bar you're making, and nice work on the Starboard push pole holders as well. I like working with that stuff, and it holds up seemingly forever, even in the Florida sun. A few concerns I have though are the hole in the deck that would always hold water, unless drains are added, but my main concern, even with a snug and perfect fit, is the possibility of the pole bouncing out while running in a chop, or hitting a boat wake. I'm sure you've probably thought these things through, but figured I'd mention them anyway. I hope you have this boat in Jensen Beach in October. Enjoying following your build. Mike
Thanks Mike!
For sure, I have been thinking about the need for drains. I'll run some tubes from the bow and stern bracket pockets to manage the water. Of course, the center bracket will not be a problem.
As for the the issue of the pole coming out, I'm hoping that with the bow and stern brackets facing inward and the center bracket facing outward it will be secure. If not, I'll have to add the bungees. The pole will obviously follow the sheer and in theory it will be self fixing to the brackets.
FWIW, I have the same exact type of brackets holding my Armstrong pole dive ladder on the transom of my Pursuit. I'll take a pic of the setup this weekend and post it. Please keep checking in to the thread, I enjoy your input and ideas. :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:58 am
by topwater
I already have shop envy now i find out you have a CNC machine 8O Richard you are killing me.
Richard if you are going to use carbon fiber sock on the grab rail how come you didn't use a foam pool noodle
to build the rail instead of wood ? Oh yea that's right you have a CNC machine, what the hell am i thinking :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:12 am
by Jaysen
I'm with you topwater. It does seem somewhat unfair. But then again, he clearly made better life choices than I did.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:11 am
by Dougster
Dang Richard, my neighbor has a backhoe but I'd sure like to trade up to you next door instead :lol: I like the small touches with pole holders and starboard. I figure it's not so much the tools, but the hands using them though.

Dougster

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 8:30 pm
by seaslug
Richard, A few thoughts on your push pole holders. I was thinking that with your flip up design, if there's not a mechanism to keep all 3 open when you're ready to stow the pole, it could be a bit of a hassle with them wanting to flip back down. A buddy has a Hewe's with flip up holders that lock in the upward position until they are manually pushed back down. It may not be an issue for you, but would make me crazy if 1 or all the holders flopped down while I was trying to stow the pole. But my main concern is all 3 of your holders will have to be positioned in line with the sheer unless your gunwales are very wide, and I found with mine the sheer had too extreme of a curve and it felt as if I'd snap the pole if I hadn't moved the center holder inboard a few inches. Even so, it's still a pretty severe bend, which I do like, because after 75-100 road trips I haven't had the pole bounce out of the holders. Mike

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:09 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Mike, you have me thinking for sure! I've already redesigned the brackets today in my head, we shall see if it works.
John and Doug, y'all made me laugh :lol: Thanks for that :D

Jaysen, the CNC is just a big lovable tool we use everyday to build millwork and cabinets.
I am sure blessed to have it, it's a time saver.
I have given back with it also. We wrote the letters on an aluminum dedication plaque for the local Boy Scouts, built the hatch patterns for smoky mountain's PH18, built outboard motor transom drilling jigs for several members and cutout the strong back for dborecky's tx18 as well as other stuff.
It's an amazing tool...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 10:35 pm
by Jaysen
Richard, sounds like you put it through the paces regularly. My envy is one of admiration more than jealousy. My apologies if that did not come through on my previous post.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:38 am
by Aripeka Angler
No worries Jaysen it's all good :D
I'm putting the carbon fiber on the grab bar this afternoon. I have never worked with cf, hopefully I won't botch it up too bad :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:29 am
by Larry B
Richard,
I had a custom cabinet shop years back, I had just closed shop when the cnc machines came out. (of course I wouldn't have been able to afford it anyway) as my shop wasn't big enough to warrant it, but it caught my eye for sure. Glad to see the nice work you do with or without the cnc. In todays market it is the only way to compete. I've seen some of your case work and it is fantastic,
Boat is looking great, :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:54 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I got a little bit of work done today.
I thought I would be a little bit further along, but other chores slowed me down.
Glued up the casting platform legs and the grab bar parts. I'm still holding out hopes of putting the carbon fiber on the parts tomorrow, we shall see.

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I buttered up "Bare Bones" with the fourth or fifth round of QF, I have lost count...

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I received my LED shark eye lights yesterday, these bad boys are too cool!!! No lenses to break, totally sealed from saltwater, super thick stainless steel and low power requirements...


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That's it until tomorrow...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 6:13 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Larry B wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2017 9:29 am Richard,
I had a custom cabinet shop years back, I had just closed shop when the cnc machines came out. (of course I wouldn't have been able to afford it anyway) as my shop wasn't big enough to warrant it, but it caught my eye for sure. Glad to see the nice work you do with or without the cnc. In todays market it is the only way to compete. I've seen some of your case work and it is fantastic,
Boat is looking great, :D
Thanks for the kind words Larry :D I had no idea you were a cabinet maker, too cool!!
You will be able to appreciate this giant fake fan that we built for a fitness center in Sarasota.
One of my guys putting the finishing touches on it before we turn it over to the painters...

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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:04 pm
by Jeff
Really nice work on the fake fan!!! Like the boat lights too!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 10:39 pm
by TomW1
Richard that fan is to cool. I assume the holes are for down lighting. Love the lights for Bare Bones also.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:44 am
by Fuzz
Those boat parts are going to be really neat. I love seeing creative ways to build stuff :D
What brand and where did you get the lights?
By the time you get done fairing your arms are going to be in fish retrieval shape :lol: :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 6:26 am
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2017 12:44 am Those boat parts are going to be really neat. I love seeing creative ways to build stuff :D
What brand and where did you get the lights?
By the time you get done fairing your arms are going to be in fish retrieval shape :lol: :wink:
Thanks Fuzz :) The long board for sure is a great workout :lol:
As for the lights, they were made by Livorsi marine. They appear to be made of top quality material. The manufacturer claims that the lights are bright and use 1/10 of the power of a normal nav light. I may throw some power to one of them today and see what happens...

http://www.livorsi.com/catalog/led.htm

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LEDNL2R-or-LEDN ... PZ&vxp=mtr

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 7:21 am
by cape man
Was a busy week and I haven't checked in here. Dang brother! Moving right along!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:49 am
by Larry B
Richard, thats a very nice fake fan, and the boat is looking great too.

I was one of the first shops to use Cabinetware software, back in the day it was very expensive and did very little. Mostly used it for sales that only gave me a line drawing and a cut list. Drawings would be drawn on a 6 color plotter. It ran on a 286 computer with 40mb of hard disk. WOW, those were the days, at the time my 286 was the fastest computer out there and a 40mb hard disk was so big they said I could never use all that data :lol: :lol:

Sorry to post off topic, but the cabinets just took me down memory lane. :D

Larry B

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:20 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Larry, I remember the 286 mb days with our apple2 gs :lol: Woot woot we thought we were hot snot. Why the heck I didn't buy a bunch of apple stock at few dollars a share is beyond me :doh:

Doesn't look like it, but I worked on the boat today. Sanded the legs for the bow casting platform as well as the grab bar and supports.

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Put a clean wrap on the work table and started fitting the carbon fiber...

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The sleeves are a bit of a pain to slip around the curves, but after a couple of hours I have 4 of the 5 pieces fitted...

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So now I am ready to marinate the cf in epoxy and apply the heat shrink tubing. I go to dry fit the heat shrink and it won't make the bend.
Ordering bigger heat shrink tubing tonight :roll:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:32 pm
by Larry B
that grab bar and supports are going to look cool,
I tried heat shrink on some fishing rod handles with carbon fiber, I didn't have very good luck on those :(
Looking forward to seeing these, I'm sure they will turn out great :)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 9:02 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Larry B wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:32 pm that grab bar and supports are going to look cool,
I tried heat shrink on some fishing rod handles with carbon fiber, I didn't have very good luck on those :(
Looking forward to seeing these, I'm sure they will turn out great :)
I love your optimism :D since I have absolutely no dang idea what I am doing, I'll be happy with the result :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:34 pm
by glossieblack
I'm fascinated watching your use of carbon fibre sleeves. All new to me.

I'm assuming you designed the cross sectional size of the grab rail and other components to fit snugly in an off-the-shelf carbon fibre sleeve size?

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 7:34 am
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2017 11:34 pm I'm fascinated watching your use of carbon fibre sleeves. All new to me.

I'm assuming you designed the cross sectional size of the grab rail and other components to fit snugly in an off-the-shelf carbon fibre sleeve size?
Yes, the cf sleeves are sold in groupings according to the size of the part you want to cover or fabricate.
The sleeves in the photos will fit parts ranging from 25-75mm in diameter.
The heat shrinks are much more specific to the size of the parts you are laminating.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:35 am
by Noles309
Looking real good. I can see where you would need the heat shrink because of the oval shape of the pieces. I have done a couple of grab bars and tiller extensions in the round format. Its pretty easy to work with. The issue for me was keeping the ends tight and the heat shrink will definitely fix that. How many layers of cf will you use?

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:39 am
by Dougster
I'm following closely. This is good info, as I know nothing of it. Thanks for the documentation.

Dougster

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:16 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I hope I'm not boring y'all with fairing pics.
I'll be happy to stop...fairing if y'all insist :lol:
I'm about 4 tablespoons of qf away from priming...

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I have grand hopes of priming this coming weekend.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:40 pm
by glossieblack
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:16 pm
I have grand hopes of priming this coming weekend.

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Bare Bones is looking as though she's nearly in her prime, and you're surely on track to make her so come this weekend. 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:16 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Noles309 wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:35 am Looking real good. I can see where you would need the heat shrink because of the oval shape of the pieces. I have done a couple of grab bars and tiller extensions in the round format. Its pretty easy to work with. The issue for me was keeping the ends tight and the heat shrink will definitely fix that. How many layers of cf will you use?
Thank you sir!
I'm going to use tiny 3/32" zip ties to keep the cf sleeve from sliding up the wooden parts. Kind of like tying up a loaf of bread, it will be off of the wood and below the lamination. What I've found out with my limited experience with this stuff is the harder you stretch it, the tighter it grabs the substrate. I'm thinking two layers should be plenty. If it looks good, I'll cover it with EMC clear and call it a day.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:18 pm
by Eric1
Richard, I got those roller today. Really well made, Can't wait to use them. May you priming go great!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:22 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Dougster wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:39 am I'm following closely. This is good info, as I know nothing of it. Thanks for the documentation.

Dougster
You're welcome Doug, I'll try to keep the process interesting. :D

glossieblack wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:40 pm [quote="Aripeka Angler" post_id=397342 time=<a href="tel:1497312995">1497312995</a> user_id=8579]

I have grand hopes of priming this coming weekend.

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Bare Bones is looking as though she's nearly in her prime, and you're surely on track to make her so come this weekend. 8)
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Thank you Michael! I'm ready for some color...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:24 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:18 pm Richard, I got those roller today. Really well made, Can't wait to use them. May you priming go great!
Thank you! Hope they work great for you!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:00 pm
by Fuzz
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:16 pm I hope I'm not boring y'all with fairing pics.
I'll be happy to stop...fairing if y'all insist :lol:
I'm about 4 tablespoons of qf away from priming...
Nope.............I could happily sit and watch SOMEONE ELSE sand and fair for weeks on end. Me actually doing the sanding and fairing is a whole different kettle of fish.
I do believe Bare Bones is just about ready for some primer, she is looking good. And you are much faster than me for sure :!:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:27 am
by cape man
Okay...4 more table spoons...then STOP! You're making me cry! :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:35 am
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 10:00 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:16 pm I hope I'm not boring y'all with fairing pics.
I'll be happy to stop...fairing if y'all insist :lol:
I'm about 4 tablespoons of qf away from priming...
Nope.............I could happily sit and watch SOMEONE ELSE sand and fair for weeks on end. Me actually doing the sanding and fairing is a whole different kettle of fish.
I do believe Bare Bones is just about ready for some primer, she is looking good. And you are much faster than me for sure :!:
Thank you sir!
I'm about ready for a break from the itching :doh:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:43 am
by Aripeka Angler
cape man wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:27 am Okay...4 more table spoons...then STOP! You're making me cry! :lol:
Speaking of spoons, I owe Tony a photo or two. I wish I could shoot video one handed, I haven't mastered that skill yet :lol:



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Glove removed for clarity, I need a manicure :wink:

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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:51 am
by Noles309
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2017 9:16 pm Thank you sir!
I'm going to use tiny 3/32" zip ties to keep the cf sleeve from sliding up the wooden parts. Kind of like tying up a loaf of bread, it will be off of the wood and below the lamination. What I've found out with my limited experience with this stuff is the harder you stretch it, the tighter it grabs the substrate. I'm thinking two layers should be plenty. If it looks good, I'll cover it with EMC clear and call it a day.
Thats how I did it with the round with the zip ties with somewhat mixed results, but I'm thinking the heat shrink with force that down good and tight. You should have no issues.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:54 am
by glossieblack
Richard, I'm finding your use of carbon fibre sleeves within heat shrink sleeves fascinating. All new to me. Thanks for documenting. :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:58 am
by Aripeka Angler
Gary, I totally agree with you :) Good to have you weigh in.

Michael, I'll keep updating the carbon fiber process as I experiment with it.
The heat shrink I have on order is clear, I should be able to maintain visual contact with the cf as I apply heat to the parts.
I might have to break out the Canon 50 to capture the images...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:15 pm
by Larry B
Aripeka Angler wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:58 am The heat shrink I have on order is clear, I should be able to maintain visual contact with the cf as I apply heat to the parts.
That right there might have been my problem, I used BLACK :doh:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:54 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Larry B wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:15 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Wed Jun 14, 2017 11:58 am The heat shrink I have on order is clear, I should be able to maintain visual contact with the cf as I apply heat to the parts.
That right there might have been my problem, I used BLACK :doh:
The heat shrink that I ordered the wrong size of was black. The new stuff is clear, should be interesting :D
They shipped it today, it cost more per foot than the carbon fiber :doh:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:38 pm
by Fuzz
All this for a boat you are going to give away :!: You are either A: getting tuned up for something much bigger/fancier or B: that is one hell of a buddy. I have some really good friends but I am not sure any of them should plan on getting a boat any time soon :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:26 am
by cape man
His buddy is close. 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:37 am
by topwater
Richard put down the quick fair spreader and slowly back away from the boat. The first step in any addiction is admitting
you have a problem , and that goes for Eric also :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:59 pm
by Eric1
topwater wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:37 am Richard put down the quick fair spreader and slowly back away from the boat. The first step in any addiction is admitting
you have a problem , and that goes for Eric also :wink:
Brother I am so close!! :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:15 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:59 pm [quote=topwater post_id=397656 time=<a href="tel:1497620272">1497620272</a> user_id=8747]
Richard put down the quick fair spreader and slowly back away from the boat. The first step in any addiction is admitting
you have a problem , and that goes for Eric also :wink:
Brother I am so close!! :lol:
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Me too :lol:
I'm not backing down until they pry the spreader from my cold hand :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:27 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Last post of the night.
Starboard motor went down tonight on the big boat. Was heading over to buy 150 gallons of Rec 90.
First weekend of the extended red snapper season is a no go :cry: Terrible, Yamahas usually don't let me down...
On a lighter note, red alert will be prowling for redfish at first light.
Mrs AA will be fishing with me in the am :D That doesn't happen often, I'm taking advantage of Father's Day weekend :lol:
Also, bought a Bobs hydraulic jac plate tonight from Bateau for "Bare Bones".
Was going to put a cheese dick manual jack plate on but opted to do it right...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:35 pm
by Fuzz
CRAP :!: that is not going to do any good at all for the fun time budget. :cry:
I hope it turns out to be something minor.
And no cheese dick allowed when you see my dories jack plate :lol: And I might as well go ahead and include the finish work :cry:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:40 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:35 pm CRAP :!: that is not going to do any good at all for the fun time budget. :cry:
I hope it turns out to be something minor.
Called my ace boat mechanic a little while ago.
He said the problem is a throttle position sensor.
Cheap fix but it's going to keep me and Derrick off the water tomorrow :?

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:32 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Fri Jun 16, 2017 10:35 pm CRAP :!: that is not going to do any good at all for the fun time budget. :cry:
I hope it turns out to be something minor.
And no cheese dick allowed when you see my dories jack plate :lol: And I might as well go ahead and include the finish work :cry:
I'm sure your plate is not cheesy like the one I was thinking about using. :D
I was actually thinking about making one :roll:

No boat building today, went fishing instead.
Snapped this pic in Aripeka, FL. I think it's a pretty area...

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She got some jacks and trout, I got zip...


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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:36 pm
by Eric1
Yep, That's real pretty! Love the clear water!! 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:50 pm
by Fuzz
As long as the boss caught fish you done good :D
Really pretty looking area, love that clear water. I rarely get to run in clear water and when I do I always think I am about to run aground.
So tell us how did you get that picture? I do not see anyone on the boat so did you have to swim for it.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:17 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2017 1:50 pm
So tell us how did you get that picture? I do not see anyone on the boat so did you have to swim for it.
The depth of the water where the boat is 5-6" deep (if that) :D
The camera woman is standing in 88 degree saltwater that is about 12-14" deep.
I'm laying down on the sole, makes the boat look better :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:19 pm
by Jaysen
I'll never take my daughter or wife fishing again. At least not if I'm fishing too. Way too embarrassing.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:37 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jaysen wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2017 2:19 pm I'll never take my daughter or wife fishing again. At least not if I'm fishing too. Way too embarrassing.
Works the same way for me. She has caught not one, not two, but three 10lb. freshwater largemouth bass.
I tried at least twice a week for 10 years, never got one :doh: Finally gave up :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:49 pm
by glossieblack
It being the weekend, it's time to prime.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 9:35 pm
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2017 8:49 pm It being the weekend, it's time to prime.
I know, I know :wink:
Today I reassessed the quality of my fairing after looking at Eric's boat for the 150th time.
I think I need another week to catch up...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:36 am
by topwater
Richard you crack me up , i faired my whole boat with a 6" RO sander :lol: Remember the first step is admitting
you have a problem :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 12:07 pm
by Fuzz
topwater wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:36 am Richard you crack me up , i faired my whole boat with a 6" RO sander :lol: Remember the first step is admitting
you have a problem :wink:
After looking at your boat you must be awfully good with a sander Topwater. :D

Richard and Eric both have way more self discipline than me. I can not stand to do the same thing over and over like they are doing. And I know, and live with, that is the difference in work boat and yacht finish.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:07 pm
by TomW1
Hey Richard have you done a guide coat yet? :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:14 pm
by Aripeka Angler
TomW1 wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:07 pm Hey Richard have you done a guide coat yet? :D
Good question Tom. I might give it a try but my eyesight is not as good as it used to be.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:04 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Not much to report, still doing touch up fairing.
I did get set up with the material today to do the carbon fiber layup. The specially treated for epoxy heat shrink sleeve is paper thin and totally transparent. I'm not sure what made me do it but for some reason unknown to me, I decided to stick my nose in the sleeve and take a whiff.
Holy cow, I won't do that again :lol:

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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:17 pm
by Larry B
there you go Richard, sticking your nose where it don't belong :lol: :lol:

Looking forward to seeing how this works :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:26 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Larry B wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:17 pm there you go Richard, sticking your nose where it don't belong :lol: :lol:

Looking forward to seeing how this works :D
Larry, I can't even begin to explain it :lol: :lol:
First, why did I do it?
Second, what to heck is that smell :lol: :lol:
Third, I hope the brain damage isn't too bad...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:29 pm
by Jaysen
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:26 pm
Larry B wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:17 pm there you go Richard, sticking your nose where it don't belong :lol: :lol:

Looking forward to seeing how this works :D
Larry, I can't even begin to explain it :lol: :lol:
First, why did I do it?
Second, what to heck is that smell :lol: :lol:
Third, I hope the additional brain damage isn't too bad...
I fixed it for you.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:01 am
by Fuzz
Good to see even the pro's have an aw s*** moment every now and again. :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:17 am
by glossieblack
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:04 pm Not much to report, still doing touch up fairing.
That's the way Richard. She'll be ready to prime when she's ready to prime. :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:46 am
by cape man
You do know your "buddy" is going to be smashing that boat into the mangroves and oyster bars first trip out! STOP fairing! It's not "fair" to have that boat sit next to mine already!

So give it a try...what does the inside of that heat shrink smell like? :D :D :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:50 am
by steve292
Arrgh......i've just read this thread..........back away from the plans section......must resist the urge........ :D :D :D :D 8O

You do some mighty fine work Richard 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:58 pm
by cape man
Steve,

Where ya been? How's the weather?

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:54 pm
by Aripeka Angler
steve292 wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:50 am Arrgh......i've just read this thread..........back away from the plans section......must resist the urge........ :D :D :D :D 8O

You do some mighty fine work Richard 8)
Hi Steve, great to hear from you!!! Thanks for the compliment :D Your build was one of the first that I got ideas from when I joined the forum several years ago.
Don't resist the urge, I'm 100% positive you will build a world class FS-18 or anything else you decide to build :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:08 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I spent another 2 hours this afternoon fairing this boat. It was a mild 98 degrees inside the shop at 1800.
All I have is a little touch up around the skeg and it will be ready to flip or prime.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:04 am
by glossieblack
What addiction? 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:21 am
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:08 pm I spent another 2 hours this afternoon fairing this boat. It was a mild 98 degrees inside the shop at 1800.
All I have is a little touch up around the skeg and it will be ready to flip or prime.
All that dust and sweat,you made biscuits! :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:45 am
by Jeff
AA, post some pictures today!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:36 pm
by steve292
cape man wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:58 pm Steve,

Where ya been? How's the weather?
I've been busy.....kids, house all the stuff that life brings.

You may laugh being in Florida and all...... but its 31 deg C here, its waaaay to hot for me :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 5:39 pm
by steve292
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:54 pm
steve292 wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:50 am Arrgh......i've just read this thread..........back away from the plans section......must resist the urge........ :D :D :D :D 8O

You do some mighty fine work Richard 8)
Hi Steve, great to hear from you!!! Thanks for the compliment :D Your build was one of the first that I got ideas from when I joined the forum several years ago.
Don't resist the urge, I'm 100% positive you will build a world class FS-18 or anything else you decide to build :D
An FS18 wouldn't be much use to me....a CS23 or an Abco23 OTOH would be nice...don't quite see how i could swing it past the wife tho' :help:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:13 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Steve, great to hear from you. Tell the Mrs. to lighten up, you need to build something :lol:
Jeff wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2017 7:45 am AA, post some pictures today!! Jeff
Not today, I'm in Sarasota with my crew. We are installing millwork in a big school building for the Ringling College of Art and Design. I might get a few hours of boat work in tomorrow night and be able to post some photos. We shall see...
glossieblack wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:04 am What addiction? 8)
Yeah :D You're in my head :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:20 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I started playing with the carbon fiber today.
I'm a complete novice at the process, so I decided to try one piece to get my feet wet. This is one of the bow casting platform legs. I put two sleeves of aero light cf on the wood core. I tied one end in a knot and put blue tape on the other end. My theory is to keep the cf nice and snug so it doesn't move while I'm laminating it.

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Heat shrink in place, applying heat.

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I'm pretty happy with the first single part, four more to go :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:57 pm
by Eric1
That's not bad at all. CF is hard to tell when it has wet out. Looking forward to the next piece!!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:02 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2017 5:57 pm That's not bad at all. CF is hard to tell when it has wet out. Looking forward to the next piece!!
Thank you. Someone told me CF was hard to wet out but it's actually way easier to wet out than biaxial cloth. But it is very hard to tell when you have enough epoxy on to start heat shrinking.
You get epoxy all over your gloves trying to handle the wet part, a heat gun, shrink wrap and a camera. I went through about 4 sets of gloves laminating one part :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:08 pm
by glossieblack
Richard this all new stuff to me, so I want to make sure I'm understanding your steps. Am I correct in presuming that you wetted out the cf with epoxy between the two pics below? Thanks for documenting.

Edit: your last post and this one crossed, so you've answered the question. Thanks.

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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:15 pm
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:08 pm Richard this all new stuff to me, so I want to make sure I'm understanding your steps. Am I correct in presuming that you wetted out the cf with epoxy between the two pics below? Thanks for documenting.

Edit: your last post and this one crossed, so you've answered the question. Thanks.

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Yes sir, correct. I wetted out the CF after the first photo, threaded the clear heat shrink onto the wetted out part, stripped gloves and took the second photo.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:16 pm
by TomW1
Richard it looks good. I haven't done carbon fiber, but they say it's harder to wet out than fiberglass. You might want to wet out the part before you slide the sleeve on and then wet out as you did. It will at least get some epoxy on the inside of the sleeve. Just my 2 cents on what I know of wetting out fiberglass.

Tom

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:32 pm
by Aripeka Angler
TomW1 wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2017 8:16 pm Richard it looks good. I haven't done carbon fiber, but they say it's harder to wet out than fiberglass. You might want to wet out the part before you slide the sleeve on and then wet out as you did. It will at least get some epoxy on the inside of the sleeve. Just my 2 cents on what I know of wetting out fiberglass.

Tom
Thanks Tom. It is an extreme pain in the ass just to get a carbon fiber sleeve to conform to the shape I'm working with.
I'll try laminating wet on wet next next time, I'l post a report.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:03 pm
by Fuzz
I love this forum :!: There are so many folks doing such neat things it is amazing.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:10 pm
by willg
Super cool, Richard. I hope that shrink wrap peels off the cured epoxy easily. I'm curious about the texture of the shrink wrap before you heat it. Is it tough, delicate, crinkly? And what's it like after you shrink it?

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:15 pm
by Fuzz
So is the shrink wrap a flat piece or a tube? Looks like a flat sheet but for some reason I thought it was a tube :doh: Either way this is great to watch.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:30 am
by Aripeka Angler
willg wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:10 pm Super cool, Richard. I hope that shrink wrap peels off the cured epoxy easily. I'm curious about the texture of the shrink wrap before you heat it. Is it tough, delicate, crinkly? And what's it like after you shrink it?
This batch of clear shrink tubing is very thin, crinkly and delicate. As I hit it with the heat gun, it slicked off, got smooth and squeezed down onto the CF. I also have some black heat shrink tubing. It's much thicker. Both are pre-treated so as to not stick to epoxy.
Fuzz wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:15 pm So is the shrink wrap a flat piece or a tube? Looks like a flat sheet but for some reason I thought it was a tube :doh: Either way this is great to watch.
The heat shrink is packed flat like a roll of electrical tape but it's actually cylindrical tubing.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:55 am
by Browndog
Like vacuum bagging without the vacuum. Very cool! Or hot in this case.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:26 am
by Noles309
Looking good. I used zip ties to cinch down the ends and hold them tight.
I don't see how you could slide the sock over a wet part and not have it stick and deform the cf. I did two layers at a time as well. I'm anxious to see how it comes out with the heat shrink.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:05 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Gary, I didn't get a chance to cut off the heat shrink this afternoon. I will do that before Monday and post photos.

I got a present from BBC today. Bling for "Bare Bones." Bob's jack plate for a low horsepower motor...

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I'm way over budget, I may have to change the boat name. :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:16 pm
by Newt
Just call it "Bare Bones +". :lol:

Newt

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:19 pm
by Fuzz
I always heard it is better to under promise and over deliver. Nothing wrong with a little bling on Bare Bones.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:14 am
by Eric1
I forecast one happy client! :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 9:46 am
by Jeff
AA, that is a great Jack Plate from Bob's and is truly "Bling" for Bare Bones++!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 4:34 pm
by TomW1
Bare Bones Squared :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 12:38 pm
by cape man
Given the use by the client, a Jack plate is essential. Still Bare Bones.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:03 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I originally wasn't planning on installing a jacplate, but it just makes sense to do it right.
I should give credit where credit is due, Capeman talked me into the premium jacplate over a cold beer.
Bateau was cheaper than anywhere else I checked. Glad I could buy it here. 8)
I have been doing a lot of pondering, mostly about keeping it simple. Then I say no, the boat needs more bare essentials :lol:
I've been doing more touch up fairing. Hopefully, I'll be ready to prime by the first of October.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:48 am
by Fuzz
I got a feeling this is going to be one nice bare bones build :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:26 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:48 am I got a feeling this is going to be one nice bare bones build :D
Me Too!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:01 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Eric and all,
I haven't been slacking on the boat, I have had company for several days and Mrs. AA has undergone some surgery.
Family is way more important than boat building.
I should make some more boat building progress this weekend...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:08 pm
by Jeff
AA, I hope Mrs AA is recovering well!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:24 pm
by TomW1
Ricard hope all is well with your wife. Best wishes to her.

Tom

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:53 pm
by willg
I wish your wife a speedy and complete recovery.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:24 am
by Fuzz
I am REALLY hoping for a total recovery in anything less than 6 weeks :D
But you are correct, family comes before everything else.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:06 am
by Eric1
All the best to you and the wife Richard.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:08 am
by Larry B
Here's to hoping for a complete and speedy recovery for your wife Richard

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:20 am
by Dougster
Same good wishes from Mrs. Dougster and me.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 6:20 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks guys for the well wishes, I passed them along. She is doing much better today :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:40 pm
by Eric1
Very Good News!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:27 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I lost my photobucket account so this is the best I can do for now.
Primed "Bare Bones" today...
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That's two coats, will sand and add more primer tomorrow :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:38 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Going to try again.
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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:41 pm
by glossieblack
Wow. That looks just great! Congratulations Richard. :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 6:54 pm
by cape man
Yeah baby!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 7:09 pm
by Jeff
AA, really well done and fast!!! Nice!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:23 pm
by Fuzz
Something is just not right here........................both Eric's and your primer look way better than my topcoat does :doh:

That is really nice and quick too.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 8:29 pm
by Eric1
Looking good Richard!! :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2017 9:28 pm
by willg
I'll just go ahead and call that perfect.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 2:41 am
by TomW1
Looks great Richard!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:46 am
by pee wee
Boat looks great in primer, good job on fairing!

Question- it looks like you left the radius on the chines and transom edge, I assume that was intentional. Why did you choose to do that? :?:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 9:09 am
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Glossie, Tom, Capeman, Fuzz, Will and Eric!!
pee wee wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:46 am Boat looks great in primer, good job on fairing!

Question- it looks like you left the radius on the chines and transom edge, I assume that was intentional. Why did you choose to do that? :?:
Yes, it was intentional-good observation :D
The future owner is going to ride the boat hard and fish it hard. Quite often a hooked tarpon or redfish will take a last minute dive under the boat. The theory is those round chimes will be less likely to trash the fishing line. Also, the owner loves to jump out and into the boat while wading. The radiused hull edges are very skin friendly.
Every edge on my xf20 is razor sharp, every time I get a ding in the chine it's like a serrated knife.
We'll of course sacrifice a little speed, no worries...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:06 am
by pee wee
Ah, thanks, that's a very practical idea.

Would spray be a bigger issue with a radius chine?

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:31 pm
by Joe H
Hey Richard,
Been away from the forum for a bit, I hope Sandy's doing okay!

Just enjoying our short summer here, getting out in the boat as often as possible.

Bare Bones is moving along at record speed, looking good,

Joe & Janet

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:35 pm
by Fuzz
Well I am a little slow on the uptake but I think I know who the new owner will be :wink: I will hold my guess until after the fact.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:58 am
by Aripeka Angler
pee wee wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2017 10:06 am Ah, thanks, that's a very practical idea.

Would spray be a bigger issue with a radius chine?
Maybe a little bit but not a big concern. This boat will mostly be used in protected waters.
Joe H wrote: Sun Jul 02, 2017 1:31 pm Hey Richard,
Been away from the forum for a bit, I hope Sandy's doing okay!

Just enjoying our short summer here, getting out in the boat as often as possible.

Bare Bones is moving along at record speed, looking good,

Joe & Janet
Hi Joe, Sandi is doing great now :D
Tell Janet I said Hi and let's get together next time you come down to Zephyrhills :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 8:44 am
by topwater
Richard the Boat looks great in primer and you can see all the effort that went into the fairing . I also think i
know who he is building this boat for . Will be interesting to see if Fuzz and i are right. Pretty sure we are both
thinking of the same person .

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:09 am
by pee wee
You mean our ninth president?

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 12:31 pm
by Fuzz
Yep :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:34 pm
by Aripeka Angler
pee wee wrote: Mon Jul 03, 2017 10:09 am You mean our ninth president?
Yeah :) y'all figured it out :lol:
The ninth president and his sister on her wedding day in February. They take their good looks from Mrs. AA :wink:
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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:20 am
by Fuzz
That is a great picture for a proud momma and pappa :!:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:38 am
by glossieblack
A number of times today I found myself wondering 'why the 9th president?' What's this cross-culturally illiterate Aussie missing?

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:35 pm
by Fuzz
William Henry Harrison 9th President of the U.S.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:59 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I got a little bit of work done on the boat today.
Cleaned up the sheer and installed the rub rail on one side.
I also got the ugly out of the transom with a router and a full sized router template.
Pics...

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Time to knock off, Mrs. AA and I are celebrating our anniversary today :D

edit...

I went to grab some wood flour from the supply area to do the port side rub rail.
Not today :lol: :lol:

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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 5:11 pm
by BB Sig
Congrats on the anniversary and the boat you're building!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:08 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thank you Barry 8)
Edit...
I have recovered and will reload all of the images I lost when Photobucket stole my photo account. It will take some time, but I will do it...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:37 pm
by Fuzz
First of all congratulations on the anniversary. I sure wish I had been smart enough to get married on a major holiday. As it is I can only go two or three years without forgetting :help:
Looks like you could open your own store selling clamps :D What was the transom ugly you had to fix? And help this poor dump sucker.........what was in the box? Insect nest :doh:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:51 pm
by TomW1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:37 pm And help this poor dump sucker.........what was in the box? Insect nest :doh:
No Fuzz baby birds. :lol: :lol: :lol:

And Richard CONGRATULATIONS 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:04 am
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks guys :D
We call those birds "house wrens". I think they might actually be named Carolina wrens.
They are a nuisance but I let them be. Two had already flown from the nest and were perched on the edge of the box, one more to go :lol: Should be all clear today...
As for the transom, it's the only line on the boat I personally don't like. It's kind of weird looking with waves and bumps. View some of the fs18 photos in the study plans and notice various ways builders try to change the look of the stock transom. Sometimes the modification looks better and other times not so much...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:05 am
by Jaysen
AA, if they ARE Carolina wrens, they eat their weight in bugs every day or so. House wrens are a different species and are l as desirable. Send a pic and I should be able to ID it for you.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:15 am
by glossieblack
Just wanted to check that I've understood how you used the transom template and the router..... because you wanted to vary the 'sheer line' of the transom to your personal preference, you cut the template with this line, then used it to guide the router to trim the transom?

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:53 pm
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:15 am Just wanted to check that I've understood how you used the transom template and the router..... because you wanted to vary the 'sheer line' of the transom to your personal preference, you cut the template with this line, then used it to guide the router to trim the transom?
Yes, you are correct. This is the router bit I used, it's a 12.7mm x 50mm two flute carbide bit. I waxed the template with paraffin wax and ran the shank of the bit on the plywood template.


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I have to say that this type of operation should be only performed by someone with plenty of experience with routers.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:11 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I got a little bit of work done today, port side rub rail installed :D

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Side view just because Fuzz loves clamps :lol:

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I'm going to flip the boat soon and start on the inside. I'm really getting attached to this boat, might have some future boat post partum...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:23 pm
by Jeff
AA, you should be the first to build Jacques new design, Laguna Madre (LM18) with tunnel!!! Your FS is looking really good!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:57 pm
by TomW1
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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:04 pm
by TomW1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:53 pm I have to say that this type of operation should be only performed by someone with plenty of experience with routers.
Richard I will say Amen to that. A router is dangerous enough, but to use it free hand on something like this takes a lot of experience and after all my router experience something I would not do.

Tom

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:57 pm
by Fuzz
I only THOUGHT I had a lot of clamps. I now realize I do not have any :lol:
I am not sure how you can make this much progress on a boat with all the other stuff you have happening. :doh:
On the Alaska front summer may have shown up today. Went for a boat ride on Tustumena Lake today hoping to find some lake trout. No luck fishing but it got hot enough we had to go for a boat ride to cool off :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:42 am
by glossieblack
The transom looks great. And thanks for the explanation. :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:29 am
by Aripeka Angler
Jeff wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2017 7:23 pm AA, you should be the first to build Jacques new design, Laguna Madre (LM18) with tunnel!!! Your FS is looking really good!!! Jeff


I might need to look for someone with a spare bedroom if I start another boat :lol:
glossieblack wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:42 am The transom looks great. And thanks for the explanation. :D
Thank you and you're welcome :)

Fuzz, I'm looking forward to your hot weather. 31 days but whose counting?
Jaysen wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2017 6:05 am AA, if they ARE Carolina wrens, they eat their weight in bugs every day or so. House wrens are a different species and are l as desirable. Send a pic and I should be able to ID it for you.
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Here you go Jaysen. I caught one of the little boogers in the act yesterday. Just to be clear, I do like them but they tend to make one helluva mess on our lumber and equipment.
I counted 3 nests in the shop yesterday, most of the birds look like the one in the pic.
One nest appears to have a similar bird with a more curved beak...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:55 am
by Jaysen
That "white brow" says Carolina wren all day. They are cavity nesters and prefer boxes with openings at 1.5-2". Single set boxes, not colony sets. You can get premade nest boxes (gourds are often used) or, if you are like me, just staple a cardboard box with a hole in it to a wall. They are very territorial so give the boxes some distance.

For the most part they will go right for a "right sized, right placed" box every time. That should let you relocate them to an area less mess prone. Just make sure you leave enough room between boxes.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:59 am
by pee wee
That looks like a nice, wide rub rail going on; very rugged looking.


We've got a patio heater on our back deck that we used to leave out all year 'round, then some Carolina wrens discovered it made a great nesting spot- there's plenty of room inside, just enough of a gap for the birds to squeeze through, and a made-to-order roof. We thought it was cute to hear the little peepers, but when they had left and I took it apart to clean, I found they had destroyed the insulater cone to feather their nest. I now have to disassemble the thing every spring because they want to come back and do it again. Those little flyweights would sit on a branch and yell at us for sitting outside. For such a small bird they've got big mouths and can make big messes.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:21 am
by cape man
They also love to make their nests underneath a canoe that is upside down. Can't count the times I have pulled a canoe off the rack and had to deal with some screaming parents.

Richard if you ever need, I can loan you an extra clamp.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:24 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I've got two wren nests in my upside down, ceiling hung strip canoe.
It's like a high dollar bird condo :lol:
I ran out of epoxy today, ordered more 20 minutes before the shipping cutoff.
It's out for delivery tomorrow, thank you Jeff and Reid :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:09 pm
by Jeff
Good stuff AA!!! Sorry for the delay!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:24 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jeff wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:09 pm Good stuff AA!!! Sorry for the delay!! Jeff
Delay???
I not sure how you can improve on a 20 minute shipping response time :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:42 pm
by Jeff
Thank you AA!! Good news on Mrs. AA!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:44 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I got the boat ready to flip today. It's only in primer but I'm going to flip it, it's part of my plan. I spent a little time checking for hook or rocker, it's pretty dang straight. Maybe a 1/16" of space in 4 feet- pretty much the same at 8 feet :D

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Picked up the hull to pull the screws from the strongback. It went pretty quick...

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A look down the side of the strongback, it's perfectly straight and free to a good home if anyone wants to build a FS18 or similar boat...

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The tape and bulkheads look tidy from below...

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Barring any unforeseen issue, I will post a flipped boat pic tomorrow. Good lucks are welcome 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:50 pm
by Larry B
Looking good there AA :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:11 am
by Eric1
Looking Great!! :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:28 am
by Jeff
Nice AA!! Good Sunday!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:07 am
by glossieblack
Impressive. 8)

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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:16 am
by pee wee
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:44 pm Barring any unforeseen issue, I will post a flipped boat pic tomorrow. Good lucks are welcome 8)
Good Luck!!

Nice to have a forklift, comes in handy for sure.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:44 am
by Fuzz
No drips, no runs, no errors. you and Glossie went to the same building school :D Man you built a nice looking strongback. Anyone wanting to build close to you should snap it up :!: It is sure nice to have the big boy toys when you need them :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:12 pm
by Joe H
Good Luck Richard! Looking good!

Joe H

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:07 pm
by TomW1
Good luck Richard, with that crew in your shop it should be like tossing a penny. :lol:

Tom

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:16 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks for the flip wishes and compliments Fuzz, Hank, Larry, Jeff, Michael and Eric! I appreciate it!
Today, I managed to talk a couple of my cabinetmakers into giving me a hand with the flip :wink:
You guys good flip wishes worked, we pulled it off with out a hitch. Photos...



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Bare Bones is now right side up and waiting for additional fabrication :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:07 pm
by glossieblack
You're treating us to a boat building master class thanks Richard. 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:00 am
by Eric1
I'm glad the flip was a breeze. I wish I could glass the inside of mine without having to get in it! :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:50 am
by Jeff
AA, you and your team did a great job!!! Nice flip!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:00 am
by Dougster
Some folks just seem able to make things look easy! That's a cleaner, nicer looking hull than any of mine were. I will say, flipping is one of those steps you really don't want to "Dougster". Not saying I haven't tried :D

Still on board Dougster

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:54 am
by cape man
Looks awesome Richard! You putting gunwales on or just doing an inwale?

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:11 pm
by TomW1
Great job Richard.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:14 pm
by BB Sig
That sure is a clean slate! I like the beauty of this okume! I agree with Steve that it is a shame to cover it up. I am sure you will do an outstanding job doing it though! :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:34 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Doug, Eric, Michael and Jeff- I appreciate the support and kind words :D
I get a lot of comments about my build being clean, it's for a reason.
I'm very allergic to epoxy and I'm trying to minimize sanding.
The allergy doesn't stop me, I just have to pace myself and use protective gear.
cape man wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:54 am Looks awesome Richard! You putting gunwales on or just doing an inwale?
Thanks Craig,
No, I'm going to build this boat with the as designed decks and gunwales.
I do have some plans for this build that are radically different from the plans.
Stay tuned...
BTW, the splash will be at Cape Sable.

I spent this evening getting up a balance order for biaxial cloth.
The plans seriously need a BOM update as related to fiberglass cloth.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:41 pm
by Aripeka Angler
BB Sig wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:14 pm That sure is a clean slate! I like the beauty of this okume! I agree with Steve that it is a shame to cover it up. I am sure you will do an outstanding job doing it though! :wink:
Thank you!
I know, the okoume looks great!
I have one totally bright boat, I'll probably paint this one.
I am subject to changing my mind, we shall see 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:26 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I spent a couple of hours today tidying up the inside of the boat.
I cut, marked and stored all of the tape for the inside seams.
I'll laminate the inside of "Bare Bones" as soon as I get 6 hours of uninterrupted building time. Hopefully, I can get this work completed this weekend.
BTW, I mentioned the "free to a good home strongback" last night or the night before.
The bait hadn't been in the water long before I got a knockdown :lol:
It's going to be picked up soon by a prospective FS18 builder 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:32 pm
by Fuzz
I am sure the free part helped! After they got there you should have told them you changed your mind and the new price is they have to commit to doing a build thread :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:33 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:32 pm I am sure the free part helped! After they got there you should have told them you changed your mind and the new price is they have to commit to doing a build thread :lol:
I like the way you think! :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:33 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I'm pretty sure the free part may have played a part but the new owner of the "Bare Bones" strongback has already completed a fine boat and has posted a detailed build thread :wink: I'm going to withhold his identity until he starts building :D
I think it would be pretty cool if two FS18 boats were built from the same strongback 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:39 pm
by glossieblack
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:34 pm I do have some plans for this build that are radically different from the plans.
Stay tuned...
My wildcard guess is that it's to do with propulsion. :?:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:10 pm
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:39 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:34 pm I do have some plans for this build that are radically different from the plans.
Stay tuned...
My wildcard guess is that it's to do with propulsion. :?:
Michael,
My modifications are about drainage and flotation, I will elaborate soon. There will be no bilge pumps in this boat and it should be totally self draining. Even in a tropical Florida downpour...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 8:54 am
by Eric1
Richard, I can't wait to see what you are up to! :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:04 am
by Jeff
AA, I agree with Eric, your design of self bailing will be interesting!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:10 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I taped the inside of "Bare Bones" this afternoon with 2 layers of 12 ounce biaxial tape. It took 3 hours and I'm glad it was only 94F in the shop. I'll glass the inside over the weekend. Celebrating now with a category 5 IPA :D


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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:16 pm
by BB Sig
8O Wow, that is a clean start on the inside! Looking good.

I'm guessing you are not going for a workboat finish. :lol: :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:59 pm
by Eric1
Nice work Richard! :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:51 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Barry and Eric, thanks for your support 8)
If I don't keel over from heat prostration Bare Bones will have a FULL coat of glass on the inside of her hull by black dark on Sunday night :D I'm looking forward to starting on the stringers, bulkheads, etc...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:54 am
by Fuzz
Do NOTHING you can not be healed up from in three weeks time :!: I been doing a little more scouting for you, might have a flatfish picture to post as soon as my buddy sends it to me. Forgot the dang camera..........again :oops:
Boat is looking really good, just like I have come to expect from you :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:24 am
by Eric1
You know the rules for summer time layup. Work early and work fast. :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:40 am
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:24 am You know the rules for summer time layup. Work early and work fast. :wink:
Also chill the epoxy to 70 degrees :wink:
How do you like the sanding sponges?
Fuzz wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 2:54 am Do NOTHING you can not be healed up from in three weeks time :!: I been doing a little more scouting for you, might have a flatfish picture to post as soon as my buddy sends it to me. Forgot the dang camera..........again :oops:
Boat is looking really good, just like I have come to expect from you :D
Thank you :D A little heat is no big deal, that's why I love my swimming pool :lol:
Like Eric said, we do the heavy work early in the morning (it's actually hotter where he lives).
Looking forward to the flatfish picture...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:03 am
by Eric1
Those sponges are a life saver! So much easier to sand under the spray rails. I owe you one!! :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:13 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:03 am Those sponges are a life saver! So much easier to sand under the spray rails. I owe you one!! :D
Glad you like them. Maybe buy me a beer at the next builder's meet :D
I goofed off today and shot clays, I needed a battery recharge 8)
If all goes according to plan, I'll layup the inside glass early in the morning before it hits a 100F in my shop...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:26 pm
by glossieblack
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:13 pm [If all goes according to plan, I'll layup the inside glass early in the morning before it hits a 100F in my shop...
Ever considered living in a civilised climate. :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:37 pm
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:26 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:13 pm [If all goes according to plan, I'll layup the inside glass early in the morning before it hits a 100F in my shop...
Ever considered living in a civilised climate. :wink:
Very good question! The answer yes. The older I get the less I like the stinking hot and humid summer weather here.
When I quit making sawdust for a living, I want to find a much cooler place to spend at least 4 months of the year.
Requirements would be simple, cool weather with a close proximity to a body of water. Preferably saltwater with fish :D
Edit, this is why love AK in the summer...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 9:56 pm
by Fuzz
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 8:37 pm
glossieblack wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:26 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Jul 15, 2017 7:13 pm [If all goes according to plan, I'll layup the inside glass early in the morning before it hits a 100F in my shop...
Ever considered living in a civilised climate. :wink:
Very good question! The answer yes. The older I get the less I like the stinking hot and humid summer weather here.
When I quit making sawdust for a living, I want to find a much cooler place to spend at least 4 months of the year.
Requirements would be simple, cool weather with a close proximity to a body of water. Preferably saltwater with fish :D
Edit, this is why love AK in the summer...
This is something we will need to talk about. No matter what people say about snowbirds they have the right idea. I keep saying a goose is smarter than 90% of all people :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 10:43 pm
by seaslug
40 years in the trades in Florida and I'm so sick of the summer heat, but part of that is the fact I'm not 30 years old anymore and I get tired a lot faster. Fortunately I've had an inside re-model going on for a month now and I crank the AC down to a really frigid 77 degrees while I'm working. It's so hot and humid lately that 77 feels like a walk in freezer, and I'm close to hypothermia if I'm not working fast enough. I think my pool water must be close to 95 at this time. Mike

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 11:37 am
by Aripeka Angler
I got an early start this morning to beat the heat. :lol:

Bare Bones has a new prom dress! :D


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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 12:35 pm
by glossieblack
Classy work Richard. :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:45 pm
by Dougster
Way to go Richard. Cleaner than anything I have done, as usual. Love how you laid it all out in the hull before pouring a drop of resin. But, 3:13 a.m. 8O No better way to beat the heat though.

Dougster

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 2:17 pm
by Eric1
I was thinking the same thing on the way home from church. Get up early and get that primer on. :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 3:34 pm
by Jeff
Really nice work AA!!! Can't blame you on the early start as the morning lows on the East side have been in the low 80's!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 4:34 pm
by cape man
Go man go!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:59 pm
by Fuzz
Love this site :!: Just log on and get ongoing lessons on how to build a boat the right way :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:10 pm
by K2FS18
AA, did you remove the glass and wet the plywood then lay the glass back in or did you just wet the glass as it hangs on top of the dry plywood? Did the plywood already have a cured light coat of epoxy? I might have made things more difficult than needed.

Ken

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:52 pm
by Aripeka Angler
K2FS18 wrote: Sun Jul 16, 2017 6:10 pm AA, did you remove the glass and wet the plywood then lay the glass back in or did you just wet the glass as it hangs on top of the dry plywood? Did the plywood already have a cured light coat of epoxy? I might have made things more difficult than needed.

Ken
Ken, I only pre-coated the bottom of the boat when I taped it a couple of days ago.
Before I cut the biaxial cloth this morning, I gave the tape and coated wood a good sanding with a Mirka sander.
After I cut and fitted the cloth, I began mixing 24 ounce batches of pre-cooled 70 degree epoxy.
I learned from CL to work from one end of the boat keeping a wet edge on the epoxy. I learned a lot from him on fishing trips 8)
I'll dump 12 ounces of mixed epoxy directly on the bottom of the boat.
I drag the epoxy around with a squeegee and distribute it across the bottom cloth with a corona glass coater 7" roller.
The bottom is easy, the sides are more of a challenge.
After I wet out a 3-4 foot section of the bottom, I attack the sides.
I fold down the glass and coat the wood.
Spots that get multiple overlaps require special attention, I wet the wood first. After I fold over the first layer of the overlap, I coat the top of that layer and layup the next layer.
I don't obsess too long in one spot, if the glass is coated well I give it a while to soak up the epoxy while I work in another spot.
I used one 7" roller, one chip brush, a squeegee and one throw away roller tray on this inside glass layup.
Wet on wet layup is great if you have help but working solo I prefer to tape, sand and laminate...

Richard

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:59 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Sun Jul 16, 2017 5:59 pm Love this site :!: Just log on and get ongoing lessons on how to build a boat the right way :D
I appreciate the support :D You know how to build a boat though : :D And do it right.
Dougster wrote: Sun Jul 16, 2017 1:45 pm Way to go Richard. Cleaner than anything I have done, as usual. Love how you laid it all out in the hull before pouring a drop of resin. But, 3:13 a.m. 8O No better way to beat the heat though.

Dougster
Thank you Doug! 3:13 is my new go to wake up hour :lol: Always great to hear from you :D

Michael, Eric, Jeff and Craig, thank you!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 8:58 am
by cvincent
Your work is very clean and you knocked the glass work out in one shot, wow! I will have to try the corona glass coater rollers when I glass my topsides, thanks for the tip.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:47 am
by gonandkarl
Hi Richard,
I agree with David that I learn how to build a boat the right way looking into your thread. And my respect for the early bird catches the worm. I definitely will use also this rollers in future. I also have to get up at three but not for boat building but here in Austria the temperature right now in Summer at 3 AM is even to cold for epoxy so I can go to bed again. By the looks of your progress you will be another candidate to beat me to splashing time. Keep posting this perfect boat pictures.
Greetings from Karl

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 17, 2017 10:55 am
by K2FS18
Thanks Richard for the explanation.

Ken

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:14 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Ken, you're welcome. :D Thanks for following my build!
I have gleaned a good amount of tips from your build as well.

Karl, great to hear from you! I follow your builds as well, keep up the nice work.
Getting up before everyone else is awesome! I like to do a days work before the rooster crows :lol:

Cvincent, I am tuning in to your build as well. Thank you for the compliment 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:19 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I spent this morning cleaning up the knee slots in the transom and trimming the glass at the sheer.
Itchy, non satisfying work not worthy of photos.
Speaking of photos, I'm working my way through my thread restoring photos that photobucket deleted.
In a week or so, all of my pictures will be visible again...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:23 pm
by justin_dwyer
Great work, very clean indeed!!
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:52 pm corona glass coater 7" roller
I am interested in what this is, a roller made from a corona beer bottle? :lol:

Cheers
Justin

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:27 pm
by Aripeka Angler
justin_dwyer wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:23 pm Great work, very clean indeed!!
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Jul 16, 2017 7:52 pm corona glass coater 7" roller
I am interested in what this is, a roller made from a corona beer bottle? :lol:

Cheers
Justin
:lol: :lol:

http://boatbuildercentral.com/proddetai ... 130-R101F7

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:14 am
by Fuzz
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:19 pm I spent this morning cleaning up the knee slots in the transom and trimming the glass at the sheer.
Itchy, non satisfying work not worthy of photos.
Speaking of photos, I'm working my way through my thread restoring photos that photobucket deleted.
In a week or so, all of my pictures will be visible again...
I did that for my 21 rebuild thread..............what a pain but a thread with no pictures sure does lose something. Not sure how you have the time to do it but I am glad you are :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:07 pm
by Larry B
AA your a better man than me, I couldn't work in that heat with the humidity.
Your build is looking great, very nice clean work :)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:25 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Larry B wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:07 pm AA your a better man than me, I couldn't work in that heat with the humidity.
Your build is looking great, very nice clean work :)
Thank you Larry for the compliments and thanks for supporting my build :D
We are getting some serious afternoon showers now so the temps are much better.
I ordered more epoxy from Reid today, hopefully by the end of the weekend I'll be well along with stringers and cleats. 8)
Fuzz wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2017 2:14 am [quote="Aripeka Angler" post_id=400281 time=<a href="tel:1500423583">1500423583</a> user_id=8579]
I spent this morning cleaning up the knee slots in the transom and trimming the glass at the sheer.
Itchy, non satisfying work not worthy of photos.
Speaking of photos, I'm working my way through my thread restoring photos that photobucket deleted.
In a week or so, all of my pictures will be visible again...
I did that for my 21 rebuild thread..............what a pain but a thread with no pictures sure does lose something. Not sure how you have the time to do it but I am glad you are :D
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I'm working on it, it's a pain in the ass but it has to be done. :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:29 pm
by glossieblack
Aripeka Angler wrote: Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:25 pm I'm working on it, it's a pain in the ass but it has to be done. :D
Thanks for doing it. :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:35 am
by Aripeka Angler
Twas able to work on Bare Bones a little bit this morning.
I sanded the bulkheads to fit the hull and used spacer boards to get the hull pulled into shape.
I pitched the multi piece frames and cut new ones. Pics...

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More later 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:29 pm
by Eric1
I like the mid span braces. I'm gonna copy that when I get there! 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:33 pm
by Larry B
AA, why are the frames higher than the stringers??

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:50 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Larry you are correct, it's all part of my master plan. :wink:
I don't know how to explain it, so you will have to stay tuned. 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:00 pm
by Eric1
I have a hunch where you are going with this. I'll keep quiet though. :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:33 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Don't spill the beans, but it was actually Fuzz's idea. :lol:
It will work, I just have to do some engineering.
I'll explain with photos later in the weekend or next week...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:26 pm
by justin_dwyer
Looking great!! :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:29 pm
by TomW1
Richard looking great, don't know where your going with the raised frames but have a guess. Will see as you proceed over the next few days. '

Tom

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:03 pm
by Aripeka Angler
justin_dwyer wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:26 pm Looking great!! :D
Thanks Justin 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:20 pm
by cape man
It will work!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:25 pm
by Aripeka Angler
cape man wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:20 pm It will work!
Yes, and work great it will.
This is Sparta lol :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:52 am
by Fuzz
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:33 pm Don't spill the beans, but it was actually Fuzz's idea. :lol:
My first thought was oh crap what I have I done now :help: But if it is what I think it is then I believe things are going to be ok :wink:
On the cooler weather front I am part of a three boat fleet that is going to Seward in the morning the test out some of those hot spots that came with my buddies new boat. Report to follow :D

Have a buddy up from Phoenix AZ. First words off the plane was "damn, air cool enough you can breath"

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 4:20 am
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:52 am
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:33 pm Don't spill the beans, but it was actually Fuzz's idea. :lol:
My first thought was oh crap what I have I done now :help: But if it is what I think it is then I believe things are going to be ok :wink:
On the cooler weather front I am part of a three boat fleet that is going to Seward in the morning the test out some of those hot spots that came with my buddies new boat. Report to follow :D

Have a buddy up from Phoenix AZ. First words off the plane was "damn, air cool enough you can breath"
I'm looking forward to the cool air :D 18 days but who's counting?
Good luck out there today, take plenty of pics...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:11 am
by Larry B
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2017 3:50 pm Larry you are correct, it's all part of my master plan. :wink:
I don't know how to explain it, so you will have to stay tuned. 8)
Well, i'll be sure to stay tuned. Glad others have a idea of what you are going to do :) I aint got a clue :doh: But what ever it is I'm sure it will work out great :)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:21 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Back at it again :lol:


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The framing is notched and dado-ed together. The support beam is a chunk of African mahogany...


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The transom knees will provide additional deck support, the deck will provide additional transom support...


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Working my way forward...
If you look real hard, you can see the cut line on the gunwale support frame.
I'm going to narrow the gunwale deck to 5" wide...


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That's it for today. :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:02 pm
by Eric1
I'm changing your Name to Jed. Clampit that is. :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:13 pm
by fishgitr
Wow what great progress!!! It is looking good!! Great idea on going to the 5" wide gunnels.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:32 pm
by Aripeka Angler
fishgitr wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:13 pm Wow what great progress!!! It is looking good!! Great idea on going to the 5" wide gunnels.
Thanks Travis, it was great talking to you today :D I put your check for the fuel tank in the mail, thank you very much.
You inspired me on the 5" gunnels, nothing better than talking to a guy who has built two of the same boat I am building.
Eric1 wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:02 pm I'm changing your Name to Jed. Clampit that is. :lol:
Those clamps are from my installation travel bag, don't make me show you my shop inventory. :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:48 pm
by fishgitr
Yes AA, It was great talking with you. Going to the 5" gunnels give you a little more room to walk around a cooler or grab bar. We had some nasty weather come through and I woke up late so I wasn't able to drop it off. I will do so first thing Monday morning.

And again your boat looks great. I can't wait to see it finished. Are you going to Jensen Beach in October?

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:51 pm
by glossieblack
The master class continues. Very nice work Richard. :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 3:45 am
by Fuzz
That there is some slick looking work there Jed :D
Took some doing to get things ready and planned out enough to even use or need that many clamps at one time.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:24 am
by poleposition
I'm guessing somewhere in this world a retired Pony clamp salesman is cruising @ this world in his 63' Buddy Davis and enjoying life w/ all the money he made off of AA!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:07 am
by cape man
Looking stout Richard!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:42 am
by Jeff
Very nice work AA!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:25 pm
by Aripeka Angler
fishgitr wrote: Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:48 pm And again your boat looks great. I can't wait to see it finished. Are you going to Jensen Beach in October?
Thank you sir! I do have a room reserved for the meet in October.
poleposition wrote: Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:24 am I'm guessing somewhere in this world a retired Pony clamp salesman is cruising @ this world in his 63' Buddy Davis and enjoying life w/ all the money he made off of AA!
:lol: :lol:

Thanks for the compliments Michael, Jeff, Fuzz and Craig 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 1:30 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Pushing onward this morning...

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I have a bunch of photos, I'll post more a little later in the day. :wink:

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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:07 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I'm getting ready to place the under deck blocking for my grab rail.
From anyone who has built this boat, I would appreciate comments.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:38 pm
by Aripeka Angler
It rained pretty much all day today. I picked up with the deck and sole framing.

This is the extreme forward area where I am going to install the battery pan. I framed under the plywood floor and raised this compartment 2" higher than the cockpit. It's sloped back on a slight angle to allow for drainage to the next aft compartment.
It will be foamed in below...

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Cut the blocking for the bow hook, it's mahogany. It will be glued in and taped...

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This is the next compartment back where the fuel tank will go. It is 1" lower than the forward compartment. This is as far as I could take the framing until I get the fuel tank. The under deck area will be completely filled with foam and covered up with lightweight 4 mm plywood decking...

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This is the main cockpit sole area. I raised the sole 1-1/4". The stringers are capped with 1-1/2" x 1-1/2" lumber notched over the stringers...

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Fuzz gets credit for the idea...

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The rear compartment will be 2" higher than the cockpit, also capped with 4 mm ply and foamed in underneath.
The only thing that will be back there will be life jackets and the jac-plate reservoir. As with all of the raised compartments, this area will drain to the sole and will be fitted with drain plugs...

Long shot of my progress. Bear in mind nothing is glued in, it's going to be a serious taping and gluing session :lol:

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That's it for today :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:22 pm
by Jeff
AA, great work!!! That was a full day of boat building!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:43 am
by Eric1
That's looking Great! :D
I can see now I was wrong to cal you Jed Clampit. :D
It shall be MR. Jed Clampit!!! :lol:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:52 am
by glossieblack
As usual, lovely well thought out work Richard. 8)

Pinus radiata?

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Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:09 am
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:43 am That's looking Great! :D
I can see now I was wrong to cal you Jed Clampit. :D
It shall be MR. Jed Clampit!!! :lol:
:lol:

Thank you Michael :D
glossieblack wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:52 am
Pinus radiata?
It actually could be. I use 2-3 bundles of Arauco Chilean radiata pine plywood per week.
The bundles are all supported by white lumber planks which we remove and stack in the back of our shop.
I dug through the bin and repurposed some of the strips into cleats for the stringers.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:33 am
by justin_dwyer
Looking great, A+ for AA :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:30 am
by Eric1
Deleted. :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:22 pm
by Reid
Richard,

Looks awesome man!!!
Where are you going to run your drain tubes for the sole?
How many hatches are you adding on the aft deck and how many on the bow deck?
I probably overlooked this but what are your plans for a console layout? Seat in front, live well attached, etc...?

Reid

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:28 pm
by Aripeka Angler
justin_dwyer wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:33 am Looking great, A+ for AA :wink:
Thank you very much :D
Reid wrote: Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:22 pm Richard,

Looks awesome man!!!
Where are you going to run your drain tubes for the sole?
How many hatches are you adding on the aft deck and how many on the bow deck?
I probably overlooked this but what are your plans for a console layout? Seat in front, live well attached, etc...?

Reid
Thank you :D
I'm still pondering the drains for the cockpit sole.There will be two hatches in the rear of the boat and two in the bow. No console, it will be a tiller steer. The boat will have a wood/cf grab rail that will fit into two pockets in the deck. No seats, no live well and best of all no bilge pump. A foam filled and self draining boat is the plan.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:00 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I got a little bit of work done on the boat this afternoon. I have been working out of town, therefore not much progress this week.
Stringers are taped in, tomorrow I will start putting the bulkheads and cleats back in...

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That's it for today :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 7:46 pm
by Eric1
Really nice work Richard. Have a nice weekend. :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2017 9:10 pm
by BB Sig
Beautiful work as always! 8)

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:51 am
by Fuzz
Hey Richard I think I might have to change my mind. You can look at pictures of my rebuild but I am not sure I am going to let you look at the mess I call a boat. Your work is in a whole different class than mine but I love watching anyway. :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 6:20 am
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2017 12:51 am I think I might have to change my mind. You can look at pictures of my rebuild but I am not sure I am going to let you look at the mess I call a boat.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels that way. Some of these guys really make us look bad. Luckily the two of us can sit back with a bottle of rum and chew the fat laughing at ourselves.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:31 am
by gonandkarl
I agree with Fuzz and Jayson and I will also always look at what others can build and then I carry on stumbling from one small mistake to the next one. But we are all getting there, me with a lot of resting ( reading new posts ) and relaxing with a beer after a short time working on the boat.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:56 am
by Jaysen
gonandkarl wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:31 am But we are all getting there, me with a lot of resting ( reading new posts ) and relaxing with a beer after a short time working on the boat.
Karl, you and I will always get along since we have a mutual approach to things. I'm guessing Fuzz is in agreement. I would say "we are the three musketeers" but I'm afraid "we are the three stooges" may be more accurate.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:14 am
by blueflood
:lol: you guys crack me up :lol:
Hey reserve a chair for me.

Marc

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 10:19 am
by BB Sig
:lol: Save a seat for me! I have found I can work neater when I have more room. Working in a small boat accentuates my mistakes. Have you seen my FS13 build!? :roll:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 4:45 pm
by Aripeka Angler
You guys are too funny :lol: I have viewed photos of your work, you all are not the three stooges.
I do appreciate the positive comments all, it keeps me striving to do better :D
I started tacking in the frames and bulkheads today. Working now on coating the gonzo pile of cleats and deck framing pieces.
Hopefully, I will have something picture worthy later...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:57 pm
by Aripeka Angler
It doesn't look like much progress, but I had a good day today. :D

Was supposed to go grouper fishing but the weather didn't cooperate.

Basically, I spent most of the day building the rod holder thingy's.

I also started tacking in the frames and bulkheads. The cleats are all coated as well. Pics...

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No pics of the coated cleats. I still have bunch of filleting, sanding and taping to do.

Tomorrow, I get to ditch the spreader sticks on the sheer. 8)

That's it for today :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:04 am
by Eric1
Looking great Buddy!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 7:58 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:04 am Looking great Buddy!

Thanks Eric!
I got the front bulkheads taped in today. It was extremely hot and humid.
I'll be planning out chase tubes, drains and foam when I finish the last couple of bulkheads.
I also only have a few more days to build then I'm taking off on vacation for two weeks.
Hopefully, I will find some cold weather :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:31 pm
by Jeff
AA, at the rate Fuzz and family are catching fish in cool weather, I think you are in for a great two week vacation in Alaska!!! Send me some photos!! And your FS is really moving along, Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:36 am
by fishgitr
Your boat is looking great. I like the idea of the smaller gunnells. I am wondering is that bottom rod holder going to hit the floor when a rod is put in it. Also are those spread out far enough so that the butt of the rod fits in it and not in front of the reel?

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 7:23 am
by Aripeka Angler
fishgitr wrote: Mon Jul 31, 2017 5:36 am Your boat is looking great. I like the idea of the smaller gunnells. I am wondering is that bottom rod holder going to hit the floor when a rod is put in it. Also are those spread out far enough so that the butt of the rod fits in it and not in front of the reel?
Thank you!
The bottom slot is for the 3/4" fiberglass stakeout sticks, I'll have one bracket that will go through the hull at the bow and another on the transom. I don't know if you have seen this setup, it's pretty slick.
The top slots are for fly rods, I'm need to test the rig before I glass it in. Thanks for the heads up, I need to make a list of all of the stuff I need to test...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:48 am
by blueflood
Looks real good Richard 8)
Alaska trip ? That is on my bucket list. There is something rugged / have-to-be-self-sustaining / inviting about that place 8) Enjoy !

Marc

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:30 am
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Marc, I'm sure looking forward to the trip. :D
Who knows, I might just stay up there and help rebuild a boat. :lol: Until it gets cold that is...
After that, it would require a kidnapping to keep me up there.

Fishgitr, I owe you a beer.
I need to open up the back slots in the rod hangers by 3/4".
The rod fit but it was much too tight...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 11:55 am
by blueflood
Hmm IDK Richard; Personally, boatbuilding is best when slightly cool out. I was going to long board sand the hull this weekend but opted for something less taxing in the oppressive heat :lol: Ended up Kiwi-ing the deck. The sweaty stuff will be done when the mercury dips a bit. Done with working in an oven :D I don't know how you guys in the south manage.

Marc

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 12:59 pm
by cape man
Fishgitr, I owe you a beer.
I need to open up the back slots in the rod hangers by 3/4".
The rod fit but it was much too tight...
Gotta love this forum and the power of a pic.

Looking good Bhab!

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2017 1:26 pm
by fishgitr
Fishgitr, I owe you a beer.
I need to open up the back slots in the rod hangers by 3/4".
The rod fit but it was much too tight...
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Lol glad you caught it now. When you sit the rod in check the clearance between the reel handle\bottom of the reel and the floor..if it touches the floor it will be annoying with sound\ vibrating and create unnecessary wear on your reel.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2017 9:20 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I didn't catch the issue, you did. I'm sure glad you saw it. Also, the fuel tank I bought from you fits perfectly. :D
Worked at taping more frames and bulkhead joints last night.
I should be done with the inside laminating before I head to AK next week.
I'll put up photographic evidence of the progress before I leave...

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:01 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I didn't feel like taping today so I tinkered. :D
I am finally happy with the grab bar design. It needs plenty of sanding before I laminate it with CF but I know now I'm on the right track. The plan is to tape some square sockets under the deck. Then, I'll deck over the sockets and rout out the deck to create pockets where the grab rail will be glued in. This should eliminate the braces I was going to build, thus less weight and two less things to trip over. Pic of the new and improved grab bar...

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What I'm working on next is to create a chase inside one of the legs of the grab bar to bring up the wires for the kill switch lanyard socket and for the chart plotter. I'll likely put a small dry box in between the legs for a shoot thru the hull transducer. Pondering a homemade hatch for this area or something factory made. :doh:

Photo of the base of the grab bar where the hatch will be...

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The round grab bar is two layers of 9 ply marine meranti. The pic is a little blurry, sorry about that...


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That's it for tonight :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:08 pm
by Jeff
Nice AA, unique touch!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:03 pm
by Larry B
Looks like Bare Bones is getting some Rib Bones :lol:

AA, your doing a fine job on her, that's some class act work right there :D

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:16 am
by Fuzz
Very tricky you are :D
I do believe with that active build threads we have going on right now the rest of us are getting treated to a boat building school.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:46 am
by glossieblack
Richard, Very impressive solutions for mounting the grab bar and running wiring within it. The result will be elegant. 8)

I agree with Fuzz, and I've said it twice before, you're turning on a boat building master class here. Thanks for documenting it so well.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:17 am
by blueflood
Great going Richard. Your tapping job is impressive too :D 8)

Marc

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:44 am
by seaslug
Richard, beautiful work you're doing. I'm also looking forward to the final results of the grab bar, because I wanted to do something similar, as well as a poling platform and forward casting platform, but got lazy, and wasn't sure how I would approach it. From your pictures it seems you've laid the 12oz tape without any fillets. Is there a reason, and was it hard to work the tape into the tight corners? Nice clean work, however you managed to do it. Mike

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:43 am
by Fuzz
Hey I just noticed there is saw dust laying all over in your pictures. You do know Glossieblack would never approve, right :lol:
By the way, bring your jacket, you are going to need it. :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:18 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thank you Larry, David, Michael, Marc and Mike for the positive comments. :D

Mike, I take all of my pics with a cell phone. It's a little harder to see details in the photos without a closeup or two.
Every tape joint inside has a small fillet.
Pics...

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Fuzz wrote: Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:43 am Hey I just noticed there is saw dust laying all over in your pictures. You do know Glossieblack would never approve, right :lol:
By the way, bring your jacket, you are going to need it. :wink:
I have you to know I actually saw some saw shavings on his floor a couple of days ago. :lol:
I'm just trying to keep up with the guy down under. :wink:
Also, I've actually packed three jackets. A light one for "it sure is fresh today", a heavy one for "dammit man it's cold" and lastly one for "it's raining sideways again?"...

Thanks for tuning in guys.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:22 pm
by TomW1
Richard a beautiful piece of work that I would expect from you. Keep up posting great pictures. Enjoy your trip to AK with Fuzz, hopefully we got him the right size prop.

Tom

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:38 am
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Tom, it was a great trip.
Nothing picture worthy to report, I plan to get back at it today.
Anyhow, I'm re-posting the jig that I thought I had given away.
The builder who claimed it has decided to go in a different direction.
So, it's up for grabs again. Free to a good home... :wink:

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:16 am
by terrulian
Very impressive in every way.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:28 pm
by Aripeka Angler
terrulian wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:16 am Very impressive in every way.
Thank you Tony. :D
I'm also very impressed with your book!
What an adventure, I'm at the chapter where you are in Tahiti.
Great job saving the boat when it was on the reef.

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:31 pm
by fishgitr
What jig?

Re: FS-18 "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:14 pm
by Aripeka Angler
fishgitr wrote: Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:31 pmWhat jig?
Hi Fishgtr,
Sorry about the use ot the generic name. The word jig is pretty much used in the same context as strongback.

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:44 am
by Fuzz
Go back to the start of this thread. Even the strongback is a work of art :wink:

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:44 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thank you Fuzz. :D
I finished all of the inside hull tape today. I was very happy with the results.
I was so worn out that I blew off taking photos.
When I get motivated in the morning, I'll post some photos...

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:06 pm
by Eric1
Looking forward to seeing them!

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:17 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I had an invasion of flying squirrels last night. Not sure how they got into my house. :doh: The little bastard woke me up by crawling up my unsuspecting and previously sleeping leg.
I spent the better part of today doing research on the damn critters.
Replaced some screens today on the soffits of my house and crawled around the attic for hours.
I'm armed tonight, grrrr. :wink:
Needless to say, I got nothing done on the boat besides what I did yesterday.
Yesterday's progress...

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I'm ready to start framing for the sole and decks...

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2017 9:07 pm
by Jeff
Crazy AA!! I hear the little critters cause a lot of problems and damage but I have not actually experienced them myself!! Boat is really looking nice!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:30 am
by glossieblack
Beautiful work AA. The master class continues. :D

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Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:18 am
by Fuzz
Beautiful work there AA :!: But I bet you are missing my weather when you are doing it :lol:

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:34 am
by Eric1
The way I got my build going you should be ready to do my stringers and frames when you finish this one! :lol:
Yes, I am an evil genius!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I would have put it on Fuzz but he would melt down our way! :P

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:12 am
by Jeff
Really nice work AA!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:23 am
by blueflood
Man...That grab bar is some classy work, Richard 8) 8) Love it ! Super clean FG work too. Must be a student from the Larry & Justin School of Laser Straight Taping. Will have to add your name in there :wink: :D

Sorry about the flying squirrels :help: - same kind of thing happened to me but red ones; not the flying kind. I put 1/2" metal wire mesh over the plastic screened doors. Not going to be outsmarted by a rodent :lol:

Marc

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:45 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thank you Jeff, Eric, Michael, David and Marc :D I appreciate the nice comments!
Marc, I think the flying squirrels came down the chimney. Slept with one eye open last night after plugging the hole, no invaders. :lol:
The heat took some getting used to after AK, but I'm back in the saddle :wink:

I started gluing in the "Fuzz" cleats today.

I plan to fillet and tape all of the frame joints, I'm just getting started. Pics of today's progress...

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Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:07 am
by pee wee
Looks great, that should make for a solid deck. Nice progress.

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:55 am
by Jeff
Really nice progress AA!! Looking really good!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:57 pm
by peter-curacao
Looks great Richard 8) 8)

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:03 pm
by Eric1
I like this! It looks Great! :D

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:36 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
It looks fantastic, to nice to cover up with a sole. Fantastic job.

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:27 pm
by TomW1
It looks great AA.

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 1:38 pm
by cape man
Hurry up! I want a ride!

Looking sharp bro!

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:36 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thank you Hank, Peter, Eric, Alan, Tom and Craig! The kind words are appreciated.
I was talking to Capeman today. The subject of clean boat building came up.
He agrees it's way easier to blot up drips with a rag than to spend hours sanding them off...
I'm working out of town, no new progress.

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:44 pm
by snook
looks fantastic. i need to accept your invite to drop by quickly
or i'll miss the chance to see the build. it will be a boat! lol
let me know when you have time AA. i'll drive up and check it out and ask some questions. thanks, eric.

my days off are set: tues, weds, sat.

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:42 pm
by Aripeka Angler
snook wrote: Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:44 pm looks fantastic. i need to accept your invite to drop by quickly
or i'll miss the chance to see the build. it will be a boat! lol
let me know when you have time AA. i'll drive up and check it out and ask some questions. thanks, eric.

my days off are set: tues, weds, sat.
I just sent you a pm with my cell number.
Give me a call to set up a time. 8)
I'm free tomorrow early in the afternoon.

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:42 pm
by snook
Aripeka Angler wrote: Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:42 pm
I just sent you a pm with my cell number.
Give me a call to set up a time. 8)
I'm free tomorrow early in the afternoon.
AA, i must have deleted that PM. i know i got the notification on my cell. mind sending again? sometime around 2:30? depending on distance.

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 2:09 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Eric, I just sent you my cell via email.

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:04 pm
by snook
had a visit with AA today at his shop (cool shop), and saw the current build and the kayak. having never seen a nice wooden boat, i was geeking out on it.
he was kind enough to answers my questions, and gave me an overview of the process. so, big thanks to AA for showing me a little of the basic
ideas against the backdrop of what is gonna be an awesome sight when complete. also, his shop smells like trees or wood!, you pick, but NIce.

thanks for taking some time out for this AA. many thanks.

Re: FS-18 - Bare Bones -

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:32 pm
by Aripeka Angler
snook wrote: Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:04 pm had a visit with AA today at his shop (cool shop), and saw the current build and the kayak. having never seen a nice wooden boat, i was geeking out on it.
he was kind enough to answers my questions, and gave me an overview of the process. so, big thanks to AA for showing me a little of the basic
ideas against the backdrop of what is gonna be an awesome sight when complete. also, his shop smells like trees or wood!, you pick, but NIce.

thanks for taking some time out for this AA. many thanks.
You're welcome my friend! :D It was nice to meet you.
I always enjoy introducing a perspective builder to the craft.
Thanks for the compliments on my build and the offer to come over to help.
When you get started on your boat, I'll be happy to give you some help as well!
Take your time and start the build when you are ready, we will be here to help you...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2017 8:55 pm
by Eric1
You're a good man Richard. Well Done!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:41 am
by Jeff
Nice AA!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:46 pm
by TomW1
Richard your a very good man!

Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:52 pm
by Doc_Dyer
Lookin Awesome as usual.
keep it up,

:wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:59 am
by glossieblack
All Irma clean up work, and no boat building play, makes ......... :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:45 am
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:59 am All Irma clean up work, and no boat building play, makes ......... :wink:
I know, I know. :lol: I should get some work done on the boat this week.
We're nearly done with the cleanup, the basement flood was the worse part.
Thanks for checking up on my build. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:48 am
by Eric1
I just wanted to check in on you Richard. I hope things are going well.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 3:45 pm
by Fuzz
Makes two of us. You have been awfully quite since playing superman during the hurricane.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:04 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Eric and David, I'm perfectly alright but I have been a little bit overworked over the past 4 weeks.
Thanks for checking up on me, I hope to be working on the boat again soon.
I could spend an hour typing about suppliers playing the hurricane card and work related bs but I'll spare y'all the nausea.
Have a great night. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:46 pm
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:04 pm Eric and David, I'm perfectly alright but I have been a little bit overworked over the past 4 weeks.
Thanks for checking up on me, I hope to be working on the boat again soon.
I could spend an hour typing about suppliers playing the hurricane card and work related bs but I'll spare y'all the nausea.
Have a great night. :D
You too! Good to hear from you. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:36 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I'm back. :lol:
I put in 3 hours tonight on "Bare Bones".
I mostly worked on gluing in cleats and planning for chase tubes.
The plan is to work a bunch on the boat this week.
I will put up some photos very soon. :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:46 am
by glossieblack
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2017 8:36 pm I'm back. :lol:
I put in 3 hours tonight on "Bare Bones".
I mostly worked on gluing in cleats and planning for chase tubes.
The plan is to work a bunch on the boat this week.
I will put up some photos very soon. :wink:
Great! The master class is back in session. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:50 am
by Fuzz
Life must have really slowed down for you if you had three whole hours to do boat work :D
Like everyone else I am ready for the master class to be back in session.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:15 am
by Eric1
Hi Richard, Glad you can get back to the build! :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:01 am
by peter-curacao
Bring it on! 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:02 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I got a little bit of work done today.
I finished the sole framing including filleting every joint where any two pieces of structure meet. It's kind of like caulking with epoxy.
Should have taken more pictures but I was trying to get "stuff done".
Here is the fuel tank recess I built...

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After the above pic, I installed a floor in the recess and taped it in...

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I put in the sockets for the grab bar, I will router out the holes in the socket after the deck goes down...

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Finally, I started pouring foam...

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This is the area under the rear deck, I cut out a 4mm deck today to cap this off when I'm done foaming.
No compartment in this boat will take on or hold water. At least that's the plan...

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I'm taking a cautious approach to this foaming, I'll add more tomorrow.
The foam is still expanding and outgassing...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:07 pm
by peter-curacao
Looks great Richard, nice fuel tank also 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:50 pm
by Fuzz
Man you do neat looking work :!: Glad you are getting enough free time to work on the boat a little.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:11 pm
by Eric1
Very Nice Work Richard! 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:56 pm
by cape man
Go baby, go!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:58 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks guys :D
I've got a free week coming up with zero commitments.
How often does that happen? :doh:
Poll. Should I???
1) Go fishing
2) Go hunting
3) Work on Bare Bones

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:13 pm
by peter-curacao
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:58 pm Thanks guys :D
I've got a free week coming up with zero commitments.
How often does that happen? :doh:
Poll. Should I???
1) Go fishing
2) Go hunting
3) Work on Bare Bones
Monday- Go fishing
Tuesday-Go hunting
Wednesday-Work on Bare Bones
Thursday- Go fishing
Friday-Go hunting
Saturday- Work on Bare Bones
Sunday - :P Rest, drink cocktails, have sex, rest, drink cocktails, have sex, rest, drink cocktails, have sex..... and not necessary in that particular order

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:18 pm
by Jaysen
Peter C may be on to something.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:43 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Peter, that all sounds good but I'm home alone :lol:
I'm pretty sure Sunday is going to be way less exciting since the Mrs is in Salt Lake City :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:48 pm
by peter-curacao
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:43 pm Peter, that all sounds good but I'm home alone :lol:
I'm pretty sure Sunday is going to be way less exciting since the Mrs is in Salt Lake City :lol:
Okay quick fix leave the having sex out..... well unless you wanna do some skunk removal

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:54 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I'm going to bed with my hands in plain sight :lol:
I will post some boat pics tomorrow...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:19 am
by glossieblack
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:54 pm I'm going to bed with my hands in plain sight :lol:
I will post some boat pics tomorrow...
I accept the veracity of both statements without reservation. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 8:32 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I had to make a trek over to BBC yesterday to pick up more foam, epoxy and some wood for another project.
Reid's FS18 is looking great and it was nice to chat with him as well as Jeff and Jamie. 8)
Bow to stern Bare Bones is now 100% foamed in, this was a much bigger job than I anticipated.
I raised the sole about 1-1/2" and the quantity of foam required was 7 gallons.
I will still need to put foam blocks under the upper decks and gunwales to make sure the boat floats upright if it gets swamped.
The decks are about ready for glueing in, I'll post some pictures over the weekend. The wind is going to be blowing so I'll forgo outdoor activities and concentrate on laying down the decking. I think I'm back on track to make some progress over this weekend...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:09 pm
by Eric1
Sounds like a plan. Build on! :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:00 pm
by Fuzz
By the time you finish foaming that thing it is going to be like a surf board. you could have waves breaking over it and it will just shrug off the water and keep going.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 11:21 pm
by glossieblack
While Bateau2 is justifiably coy about which of its designs is most often built, my hunch is that in mid range lengths ,FS18 is right up there.

To get reliable data, under most conditions, of a reliable self-draining cockpit, is a significant contribution.

So build on and document on Richard! 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:14 am
by cape man
7 gallons! She's going to be bullet proof! Between the flotation and essentially tying everything below together into a foam structure, she should handle almost anything . Tell the kids it's not a tuna boat!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:16 am
by Jaysen
I thought one of the goals with B.B. was low weight. Does the foam change that?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:36 am
by Eric1
Considering the end users, I completely understand all the foam! Pretty sure Cape Man gets it too.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:12 am
by Jaysen
I may have my builds messed up (mentally... I’m not allowed to build right now so nothing to make a build mess with :().

This one is for a bunch of “kids” to go and have fun. Which one was the ultra light?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 7:44 am
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks guys!
For sure the foam adds weight but I decided when I started this boat that I was not going to compromise on hull strength and durability. Also, seeing water stand in a boat hull is a most irritating issue for me.
Standing water will not be a problem with this boat.:wink:
For what it's worth, I'll be putting her on a diet for the rest of the build.
I have a sheet of 4mm for the sole areas that are under the front and rear decks. I'm only going to tab those areas in with tape and paint with tinted epoxy. The upper decks and cockpit will be covered with 6 ounce which I already have.
For the concept of saving weight we still have no console, no wheel, no livewell tank and pump,,no bilge pumps and no seats.
I was going to put in a depth finder but I see now they make one that is wireless and bluetooth. One more thing to not need wiring for.
I'll throw her on the scales in a few weeks...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:02 am
by topwater
Nice progress report Richard , as far as the wind blowing don't worry it will lay down :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:34 am
by cape man
Weight is not the goal here, only a consideration. That was my SC16 that needed to be car topped. Bare Bones is the layout.
By the way...they aren't kids anymore...just young men who still can behave like kids. 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:22 am
by Jaysen
on my "kids" comment... I just called a man in his 30s a kid. To his face. Because he is compared to us old people.

:)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:24 am
by peter-curacao
Can't wait for the pictures 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 11:08 am
by Eric1
peter-curacao wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:24 am Can't wait for the pictures 8)
+1 :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:33 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I got a little bit of work done tonight. Foam pics are not too exciting, but here they are...

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Soles are fitted, the lighter colored stuff near the stern is 4mm...

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This is the bow compartment where the 20 lb. battery will be installed, the floor 12mm meranti...

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This is the recess for the 5 gallon fuel tank...

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The sole decking here is 4mm. I will build a curb around the tank and seal it with 5200 to keep the water out...

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After these photos, I removed the decking and coated the underside with epoxy.
Tomorrow I will glue down the sole and start taping it in.
That's it for tonight. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:40 pm
by peter-curacao
I need another sock :P :P

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:24 pm
by glossieblack
That sure is nice work. 8)

Are you still aiming to make it a Christmas present?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:33 pm
by Jaysen
peter-curacao wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:40 pm I need another sock :P :P
What you do in the privacy of your own home... :P

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:01 pm
by Fuzz
Man that looks good. Every thing is so neat and clean. Still do not understand how you and Glossie can work so neat. I have to have crap spread all over the place. :help:

I wanted to say something about socks but in the end the less said the better :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:18 am
by Eric1
Awesome job! I've enjoyed this build!!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:05 am
by cape man
Love it! I assume the idea with the recess and curb for the fuel tank is that if needed you can easily lift the tank out to clear any water that does get in? Is there anything over the top for rain?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:06 am
by cape man
Nevermind...now I see :roll: a deck goes there...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:59 am
by Fair WX Pilot
It looks great. It's obvious now that you're at this stage just how much forethought and planning you have put into the build. I'm really enjoying watching this come together.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 9:46 am
by Dougster
Better job on the foam than I've done, and she'll be tighter than a drum and rock solid. I especially like the fuel tank set up. You are able to visualize as you plan ahead and come up with nice solutions. I struggle with the visualize and then sometimes the nice is more like "not so nice" :roll:
Sure am enjoying this thread Richard.

Dougster

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:19 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Eric, David, Michael, Doug, Peter, Craig and Alan! I appreciate the nice comments!
glossieblack wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:24 pm That sure is nice work. 8)

Are you still aiming to make it a Christmas present?
I'm not sure, Irma kind of took away some of my mojo. We shall see...
peter-curacao wrote: Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:40 pm I need another sock :P :P
:lol: :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:43 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jumped on Bare Bones early this morning. I decided to laminate the sole with 6 ounce woven before installing it in the boat. With this method, all I have to do is tape the perimeter after I glue the sole down...


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Decks getting glued in...


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Started tinkering with the cf on the grab bar. If this doesn't work, I'm going to start a fire. :P


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Started fitting the upper decks and cut the forward hatches...


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Last thing I did was start working on the hatch gutters...


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That's it for today. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:51 pm
by glossieblack
Impressively productive day. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:37 pm
by Jeff
Very productive day AA!! She is looking really nice!! Good seeing you last week!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:49 pm
by Fuzz
An amazing amount of work in a very short period of time. And neat to go with it. How in the hell do you do that :doh:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:12 pm
by cape man
Sweet!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 7:48 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Michael, Jeff and Craig!
Jeff, it was good to chat with you, Jamie and Reid last week. Reid needs to post some photos of his build. :wink:
Fuzz wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:49 pm An amazing amount of work in a very short period of time. And neat to go with it. How in the hell do you do that :doh:
It's actually pretty simple. I have to be neat because...
1) I'm allergic to epoxy sanding dust. Like really bad.
To date, I have not even sanded the inside of this hull more than 5 minutes.
2) Because of the above issue, I wipe up every drip and put down barriers when I'm applying epoxy.
3) Last, I'm fortunate to have plenty of tools to speed the process. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:25 pm
by cape_fisherman
Are you making molds for the gutters, or just making each one individually?

Be careful with that epoxy. I have known several people who made their living building boats not even be able to walk into a boathouse because of the off-gassing...their allergies were so sensitive.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:57 am
by topwater
Thats a lot of work done quickly . I have no idea what half of the equipment is in those pic's but it sure is impressive 8)
Richard great work as always :!:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:16 am
by seaslug
Don't let Richard fool you, robots do all the work, and he just sits back with a cold one and watches. Those robots do a helluva job though, and fast too! Nicely done.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:24 am
by peter-curacao
Robots or no robots still great looking work, love the hatch gutters 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:01 am
by Eric1
Nice work my Friend! :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:26 am
by Dougster
Like others, I'm amazed at so much, so nice, and SO FAST! A times lapse video of all that work would be amazing. And that's on your day off 8O

Dougster

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:17 pm
by TomW1
Ricard you are doing great work and showing others some useful methods to use on our boats. Thank you and keep the photos coming.

Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:30 pm
by Aripeka Angler
cape_fisherman wrote: Sat Nov 11, 2017 8:25 pm Are you making molds for the gutters, or just making each one individually?

Be careful with that epoxy. I have known several people who made their living building boats not even be able to walk into a boathouse because of the off-gassing...their allergies were so sensitive.
Hi Cape Fisherman, I'm building each of the three hatches individually.
I salvaged a piece of fir lumber from an old house that was built in the 1960's that was recently remodeled, I'm using that for the gutters.
The annular rings on the board tell me the tree probably sprouted before the Civil War.
The plan is to pour the gutters full of epoxy and router it out leaving a even film of epoxy for weather protection.
I hear you on being careful with epoxy, it's bad stuff for some of us.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:54 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks guys for the nice comments!
I got after Bare Bones again this morning. It was one of those days, I really didn't want to work for some reason. So I started tinkering and put the cf grab bar in the floor sockets. The grab bar needs some more work, but I'm calling it a success. :D Then I said what the heck, I should go ahead and fit the tape...


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I finally got going and couldn't stop, must have been the Dunkin Donuts coffee. :lol: Started laying down the fillets...


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Finally, I taped in the sole and all of the compartments...


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Bare Bones is starting to look like a boat. 8)
The major structural item left is installing the decks, then I can start painting and rigging.
That's it for tonight. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:05 pm
by glossieblack
Another impressive day of achievement. Looks as though Bare Bones is a chance to be finished by Christmas. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:34 pm
by Fuzz
Sounds like you were too chilly to move early on. I know it is cold down there now :lol: But once the blood got flowing you got on a roll :D
I am thinking Glossie might be correct. There can not be many days like the past two left in "Bare Bones" :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:47 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:34 pm Sounds like you were too chilly to move early on. I know it is cold down there now :lol: But once the blood got flowing you got on a roll :D
I am thinking Glossie might be correct. There can not be many days like the past two left in "Bare Bones" :wink:
I about just about froze this morning, it was 61 degrees. :lol: It was so cold the damn robots didn't want to work. :lol:

We have had a respite lately from the summer heat, tomorrow it is supposed to be 60-72 degrees for the high and low.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:50 pm
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:05 pm Another impressive day of achievement. Looks as though Bare Bones is a chance to be finished by Christmas. :D
Thank you!
Glad you made to Port Stephens safely. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:53 pm
by Fuzz
Not buying 61f was too cold for you. I have seen you do just fine in weather just a tad cooler than that :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:01 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:53 pm Not buying 61f was too cold for you. I have seen you do just fine in weather just a tad cooler than that :lol:
You're right, I'm shooting you a line of bs.
I actually had on a short sleeve drymax fishing shirt and jogging shorts today. :lol:
I'm good with jogging shorts down to 40 degrees as long as I'm not fishing in a Alaskan drizzling rain shower. :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:07 pm
by Fuzz
Well I have to say your weather is much nicer than mine. This morning it was above zero but in was single digits :cry:
I am sure I would be loving it there now, but you guys are probably covered up in snowbirds and don't need more folks adding to the problem :help:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:02 pm
by glossieblack
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:50 pm Glad you made to Port Stephens safely. :D
Still at sea. Departed Yamba 9 hours ago, estimated 20 to go.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:18 pm
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:02 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:50 pm Glad you made to Port Stephens safely. :D
Still at sea. Departed Yamba 9 hours ago, estimated 20 to go.
You made it out safely from the harbor at Yamba, that's awesome. 8)
Safe travels tonight. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 6:10 am
by peter-curacao
Looks great Richard 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:23 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Hi Richard, looks fantastic. I totally feel for you being allergic to epoxy. I haven't had any problems with anything my whole life but am starting to have the same problems. The person who invents a boat that requires no sanding will be a millionaire.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:34 am
by icelikkilinc
Great job Richard

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:53 am
by Dutch1
Looks great AA! You'll be caught up to me soon. I'm looking forward to what you do with those hatches. I decided to build my own as well. Did you ever figure out how you were going to drain your sole?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:39 am
by Aripeka Angler
Thank you Peter, Alan and Ilker!
Alan, I actually get a skin reaction from the fumes. No worries, I just take precautionary measures. Masks, ventilation, etc.
Dutch1 wrote: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:53 am Looks great AA! You'll be caught up to me soon. I'm looking forward to what you do with those hatches. I decided to build my own as well. Did you ever figure out how you were going to drain your sole?
I raised the cockpit sole 1-1/4". Each of the compartments under the front and rear decks is raised 1" above the cockpit.
These compartments are decked with 4mm ply and will drain to the sole via pluggable drain holes in the faces of the bulkheads.
In the rear of the cockpit, I angled the wood framing down 1/2" at the corners. When I glued down the sole, I forced it down to the framing with prop sticks. This slope will allow the water to pool at the corners. I'm going to install a thick backing plate to the inside panels on both hull sides at this location. At the floor level, I'm going to punch a drain hole right out of the side of the hull. If I don't like the way it looks, I'll put a clamshell over the holes. Of course, these drain holes will be sized for nice drain plugs. I'll post photos of the concept as it takes shape.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:42 pm
by Dutch1
Thanks for the information AA. I look forward to seeing it.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:56 pm
by Aripeka Angler
You're welcome Dutch!

I am in the parts gathering and pondering mode right now.
I'm searching for a trailer that fits the boat. I think I may have found one, stay tuned...
I plan to work more on the boat this weekend, Capeman picked up some tape for me yesterday at BBC. Thanks Craig and Jeff.
So here are my latest pics of the boat after surgery for a short shaft outboard motor...

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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:40 pm
by Fuzz
Does not look like you could have stood the jack plate being any larger. I bet this is going to work out just fine.
One problem I do see................there is a little mess around the boat, Glossieblack differently would not approve :roll:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:48 pm
by Aripeka Angler
The rear photo is a little deceptive.
There is about 5" between the bottom of the plate and the bottom of the boat.
I can raise the plate an inch or two if the boat doesn't plane out and run correctly.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:59 pm
by Fuzz
I have never had any doubts this baby is going to work out just fine.
It is good to know there is a little wiggle room if needed. The picture did not look like it.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:19 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:59 pm I have never had any doubts this baby is going to work out just fine.
It is good to know there is a little wiggle room if needed. The picture did not look like it.
Gotcha.
Looking forward to throwing a motor on this boat pretty soon an see how she performs.
If I get 18-20 kts. out of her with a 15hp motor, I will be very happy!
Off topic, but the weather has been great around here lately.
It's been 50-55' in the morning and 72-78' in the afternoon for a couple of weeks.
You would really like it here now, it should be nice like this until April... :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:25 am
by Fuzz
Aripeka Angler wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:19 pm Looking forward to throwing a motor on this boat pretty soon an see how she performs.
If I get 18-20 kts. out of her with a 15hp motor, I will be very happy!
Off topic, but the weather has been great around here lately.
It's been 50-55' in the morning and 72-78' in the afternoon for a couple of weeks.
You would really like it here now, it should be nice like this until April... :D
I will be shocked if it does not run pretty good for you with you keeping it so light. Heck Capeman's went about 9 with 1/7 of that HP :D

And yes the weather there now sounds wonderful. That is about what we consider ideal in the summer as you well know.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:48 am
by Eric1
I just want to thank you for documenting this build. I've learned a few things along the way! Great Job my Friend!! :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:04 am
by peter-curacao
As with all your boats great craftsmanship 8)
Btw how's the kayak with the drive system?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:47 am
by cape man
It will work great. Good call.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:56 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:48 am I just want to thank you for documenting this build. I've learned a few things along the way! Great Job my Friend!! :D
You are most welcome. :) Thanks for following along!
peter-curacao wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:04 am As with all your boats great craftsmanship 8)
Btw how's the kayak with the drive system?
Thanks Peter!
The yak is on my to do list as soon as I complete "Bare Bones".
I have already invested over a $1,000 in yak, I'll get her done...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:10 pm
by Jeff
Get us some photos AA!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:25 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jeff, here you go. 8)

Cleaned up and rounded over the sheer today...


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I finished framing up the hatches and I bent the African mahogany around the gunwales...


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I think you can get an idea of the hatch plan from these pics. The hatches will lip down into the gutters and match the trim returns in profile in the cockpit.


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That's it for tonight. :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:35 pm
by peter-curacao
I think you can get an idea of the hatch plan from these pics. The hatches will lip down into the gutters and match the trim returns in profile in the cockpit.
Imho best hatch gutter system ever! no need for drain hoses ans other clutter 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:38 pm
by Jaysen
What about the forward most hatch? I’m dense so be gentle when point out the obvious.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:43 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:38 pm What about the forward most hatch? I’m dense so be gentle when point out the obvious.
My comment was about the hatch in the quote I included :)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:44 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jaysen wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:38 pm What about the forward most hatch? I’m dense so be gentle when point out the obvious.
I'm going to put a cyclonic water rejecter in the gutter of the front hatch. :P :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:45 pm
by Aripeka Angler
peter-curacao wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:35 pm
I think you can get an idea of the hatch plan from these pics. The hatches will lip down into the gutters and match the trim returns in profile in the cockpit.
Imho best hatch gutter system ever! no need for drain hoses ans other clutter 8)
Thank you my friend. 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:50 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jaysen wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:38 pm What about the forward most hatch? I’m dense so be gentle when point out the obvious.
Jaysen, the front hatch will require a drain tube.
Thought about putting in one of the plastic piece of shit hatches and figured I can make one that will leak just as good as Bomar. :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:59 pm
by Jaysen
:oops:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:14 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jaysen wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:59 pm:oops:
No need to be embarrassed, you asked a great question.
I struggle with the factory made hatches. They leak.
I can build my own, maybe they leak or maybe not. :doh:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:21 pm
by Jaysen
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:14 pm
Jaysen wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:59 pm:oops:
No need to be embarrassed, you asked a great question.
I struggle with the factory made hatches. They leak.
I can build my own, maybe they leak or maybe not. :doh:
I said to someone the other day “since failure is pretty much certain, why don’t I try failing my way since I don’t like the way you’ve been failing?” My boss said “you really shouldn’t talk to the CIO that way...”

I’m other words, I get it.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:44 pm
by peter-curacao
Jaysen wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:21 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:14 pm
Jaysen wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:59 pm:oops:
No need to be embarrassed, you asked a great question.
I struggle with the factory made hatches. They leak.
I can build my own, maybe they leak or maybe not. :doh:
I said to someone the other day “since failure is pretty much certain, why don’t I try failing my way since I don’t like the way you’ve been failing?” My boss said “you really shouldn’t talk to the CIO that way...”

I’m other words, I get it.
:P :P :P :P :P :P
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:36 am
by Eric1
Dang it Peter!! You are a trip!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:45 am
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:36 am Dang it Peter!! You are a trip!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
The trip is more intense in person! :P

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:58 am
by peter-curacao
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:45 am
Eric1 wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:36 am Dang it Peter!! You are a trip!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
The trip is more intense in person! :P
LOL Cheers mate! 8) 8)
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:38 am
by topwater
Pretty sure that pic was taken a little while before the truck incident :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:04 pm
by Aripeka Angler
peter-curacao wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:58 am
LOL Cheers mate! 8) 8)

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We sure had a lot of fun that day. 8)
That pic was taken in the "Worlds Smallest Bar".
We filled up the place. :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:05 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:04 pm
peter-curacao wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:58 am
LOL Cheers mate! 8) 8)

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We sure had a lot of fun that day. 8)
That pic was taken in the "Smallest Bar in Key West".
We filled up the place. :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:07 pm
by glossieblack
Didya drink it dry? :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:25 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Got back on the boat again today.
Drilled all of the limber holes in the bulkheads and rod holder frames. Put in the backing for the cleats, cut in the shark eye lights, put in the backing for the bow eye, overdrilled all of the holes for the hinges and stern cleats. Absolutely love the Livorsi shark eye lights. 8) Drilled the holes for the bow eye right through the center of the joint between side panels. Clean as a whistle, not one wood fiber in the hole! First hardware hole I ever drilled in a boat that didn't need to be over drilled and filled and re-drilled. Can't believe I can get excited by the results of drilling two 3/8" holes. :lol:
Glued in the hatch frames. Should be able to get the decks glued down this week.
Also, built a bracket for the jackplate pump under the rear deck.
Didn't take one picture, had to drop what I was doing and help Mrs. AA move some furniture.
I'm kind of wondering about fiberglassing the drain channels in the hatch drains. Anyone done that? :doh:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:26 pm
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:07 pm Didya drink it dry? :D
Not even close. :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:29 am
by cape man
Dropped in on Richard yesterday evening on my way home from Gainesville. Wow! Is this boat sweet! He was sanding, so I didn't stay long...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:15 am
by Browndog
When someone is sanding, the best approach is to retreat immediately and get the hell out of there. Otherwise you might end up with a sander in your hands, God Forbid!

When my brother comes he always gets to sand. I’d rather fix his over zealous sanding than do it myself.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:46 am
by Jaysen
I bet no one with that philosophy visits Eric1 ...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:06 pm
by Aripeka Angler
So, here is the scenario...
I know Capeman is stopping by (after hours) to bring me some material he picked up at BBC.
I smuggle a couple of premium beers into the plant and chunk them in fridge.
I figure maybe I'll ply him with a beer and he'll feel sorry for me and offer to help sand. :lol:
You know what, it didn't work. :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:15 pm
by Jaysen
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:06 pm So, here is the scenario...
I know Capeman is stopping by (after hours) to bring me some material he picked up at BBC.
I smuggle a couple of premium beers into the plant and chunk them in fridge.
I figure maybe I'll ply him with a beer and he'll feel sorry for me and offer to help sand. :lol:
You know what, it didn't work. :lol:
Is the beer gone?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:29 pm
by Aripeka Angler
We had two each. He brought his own which explains my lack of leverage. :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:46 pm
by Fuzz
So what were you sanding on Eric? :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:58 pm
by Fuzz
I just saw the pictures you posted for Catfish hunter. In the second one there was something strange sitting on your dock. What is the deal with it?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:00 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:58 pm I just saw the pictures you posted for Catfish hunter. In the second one there was something strange sitting on your dock. What is the deal with it?


I'll explain with some pics after dinner my friend.
I'm handcrafting some silver salmon patties from my fresh Alaskan stockpile. 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:57 pm
by Jeff
Sounds like a great dinner AA!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:31 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Ok Fuzz, here is the story about the boat on my dock.
I think the year was 2009 or so, not for sure?
I buy an old Glen-L 12 foot long boat for next to nothing. Nice looking hull, figure I'll fix the transom and give it to my son Harrison for a gift.
As it turns out, the rot was way worse than I figured.
Cracker was coming down to fish grouper with me at about the same time. So I tell Cracker the story and he tells me he has just put together a GF12 with glass on the outside and is unfinished on the inside. He offers it to me in the rough for $500.
CL brings the boat down and it sits in my garage at the fishing house (where you stayed a month ago) for a year.
Anyhow, my son and I finally finished it and it is still a great fishing boat to this day. Somewhere I have pics of the boat on the water, I'll have to dig them up.
Build pics...

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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:32 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jeff wrote: Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:57 pm Sounds like a great dinner AA!! Jeff
Yes sir, it was outstanding! :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:20 pm
by Fuzz
Funny you having silver for dinner. Mila cooked a fillet for us last night. A whole fillet is way too much for two but I thought it would make a good tuna like sandwich today. WRONG I hear the dog really going after his bowl and see she has given him the left overs 8O Damn dog is spoiled rotten. Next summer I need to remember to package fish in smaller packs.
I sort of remember the GF-12 story but it had slipped the old pea brain. You are getting close to having a boat for every need. Close but not there yet.................need something with a cabin for salmon and halibut :D :wink:
Surprising the visit from Capeman turned out so mellow. And you have beer there :doh:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:36 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I only smuggle beer in the plant after hours. :wink:
The salmon packaging size is perfect, Sandi and I eat a half filet and we save the turbo filets when we have company like tonight!
Hard to get of a picture 12 foot boat when you are in it. :doh:
My son and I going fishing last winter on his GF12...

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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 7:39 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I'm itching to be done with this fairing. Literally. :doh:
Fairing inside the cockpit and inside of the compartments under the front and rear decks. I'm on round two of fairing, hopefully that will be close enough after I give her a good sanding tomorrow.
I gave my 15 year old Mirka air sander last rites this morning. Best sander I ever wrapped my hand around.
Then I killed my electric Dewalt. Off to town, couldn't find anything good so I bought another pos Dewalt. It will have to do until I can get another air sander with a dust control port coming.
Nothing picture worthy, will take some tomorrow...

Edit, just bought another SGV Mirka...

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And a 3M sander with vacuum...

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I should be back in business. 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:25 pm
by Fuzz
Need more info on the sanders. How much air and how big a compressor do they need? The only air sander I ever tried, long time ago, blew the dust all over the place. An electric was much better and I never have tried an air sander since then. And if I remember correct you have one hell of a vac system, lot more than a normal home builder.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 10:05 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Sat Nov 25, 2017 9:25 pm Need more info on the sanders. How much air and how big a compressor do they need? The only air sander I ever tried, long time ago, blew the dust all over the place. An electric was much better and I never have tried an air sander since then. And if I remember correct you have one hell of a vac system, lot more than a normal home builder.
Fuzz, the air sanders that throw crap in your face are mostly cheap automotive sanders without dust control. Most have stick it pads which do not collect dust. As you use the tool, the expellelled air from the air motor blows dust up from the work surface into your face.

The Mirka will not throw a crumb of dust in your face. The air exhaust is used to create a self generated vacuum that sucks the dust from the sanding pad and directs it to the dust control port and then into the collection pipe. We connect the tool directly to our central dust control. The Mirka disc pad is totally porous, no need to line up holes to get suction no matter how many holes the sanding disc has. Not sure of the cfm usage. You can also hook the pipe to a shop vac or just blow it into the bag that comes with the sander.

The 3m rig is new to me. It has a dust collection port and a hook and loop base. Should work good. The air usage is 17 CFM I think.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:54 am
by pee wee
I bought an electric Mirka sander (Ceros) several years ago, it looks and works much like the air version (10,000 rpm which is fast, but not quite air sander speed of 13-15k). My model has been discontinued, but the new model (Deros) is supposed to be good. If you've got a huge air compressor already, then air is a great way to go, but the advantages of the electric are no need for a big air compressor and you can take it anywhere. Run it with one of the good vacuums with HEPA filters and you'll have excellent dust pickup. I've even used mine indoors to sand sheetrock with almost zero dust. The sanding discs they sell are a big factor, and the Abranet is available from 40x to 1000x.
Mine's been running strong for many years, Mirka makes good sanders.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:28 am
by terrulian
Holy Crinkle! Those cost over $500 bucks! 8O

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:53 am
by pee wee
terrulian wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2017 10:28 am Holy Crinkle! Those cost over $500 bucks! 8O
Yeah, there is that! It took a little while to get my fingers unclenched from the cash needed to buy one, but it has been a joy to use ever since.

It's a workhorse for sure. I bought a Fein vacuum and HEPA filter at the same time, it's got the power-on plug so you start the sander and the dust collection kicks on, runs a few seconds after you stop so the line gets cleared out. I use it for woodworking and even with 80 grit it leaves a very nice finish, and sands quickly. I've used it extensively for six years and I'd buy it again if I needed to. It's got a dual mode variable speed, so you can vary it with the paddle like an air sander, or set it for maximum rpm. I haven't used the new model, but people seem to like that, too.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:27 am
by peter-curacao
pee wee wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2017 9:54 am I bought an electric Mirka sander (Ceros) several years ago, it looks and works much like the air version (10,000 rpm which is fast, but not quite air sander speed of 13-15k).
Probably not comparable and probably put my new Milwaukee to shame 8O still that Milwaukee has 12000 rpm at full speed and 7000 RPM at lowest (that is if I may believe the specs) fortunately I have the best dust removal possible,.......never ending trade :P winds

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:59 am
by pee wee
It's hard to tell anymore since many companies started prostituting their reputations in the name of lower prices and big sales at the big box stores, but Milwaukee had a good reputation for making heavy duty tools for the professional. They were often heftier than their competition (and not low priced), but would last for many years of hard use. The last Milwaukee tool I bought was a circular saw and it has been running strong for ten years.

It's tough to beat working outside as a dust handling system- same thing Cracker Larry swore by- but if you've got a shop like AA's, that's even better!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:50 pm
by Fuzz
Thanks for the info on the electric models PeaWee. I do not have a big air compressor to the electric would be a better choice for me if they work about as good. I really need to get a good dust collection system set up. All my work is indoors and it makes a mess no matter what I do. Turning loose of the bucks is the tough part as I need a good vac to make it all really work.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:44 am
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Sun Nov 26, 2017 1:50 pm Thanks for the info on the electric models PeaWee. I do not have a big air compressor to the electric would be a better choice for me if they work about as good. I really need to get a good dust collection system set up. All my work is indoors and it makes a mess no matter what I do. Turning loose of the bucks is the tough part as I need a good vac to make it all really work.
You have a fantastic shop, I'm surprised you do not have a monster air compressor. I know didn't see one when I was walking through your shop. I think I'm going back get one of these to do field solid surface work. I'll give you a review soon.
https://mirka-online.com/mid550-912-10- ... -hose.html
I think it would be a perfect sander for your shop.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:31 am
by Eric1
That's looks like nice gear! I tried my shop vac with my sander. I wish I could say it sucked, it did, but not in a good way.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:33 am
by pee wee
I tried to save money by getting a FEIN vacuum instead of the Mirka vacuum; it's also a good vac, but I still had to buy a HEPA filter, and the hose sizes didn't match, so I had to do some adapting. Mirka, Festool and Fein all make good vacs, a world of difference from the old Home Depot Screaming Mimi, dust spewing monsters. They're much quieter, have the auto-power on/off, and with the right filter they really catch the dust.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:42 pm
by peter-curacao
Eric1 wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:31 am That's looks like nice gear! I tried my shop vac with my sander. I wish I could say it sucked, it did, but not in a good way.
Haha that's a good one :lol: :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:56 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Took a break today from sanding, while I'm waiting for a couple or three new air sanders to replace the dead Mirka.
Spread a dab of quickfair and then started a new project for the build.
This might be of interest to someone. I bought a piece of marine board today at my plastics dealer...

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It's got non skid built in...

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So I turned this raw board into a casting platform by cutting it to size and shaping the edge with a router...

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When I got home, the brown truck had dropped off my first air sander. :D 8)

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The pad has a perimeter of hole open to the top to suck up dust missed at the pad. Can't wait to test it tomorrow.

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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:00 pm
by peter-curacao
That board is uber cool!! 8) 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:04 pm
by Fuzz
What Peter said :!: How did you cut the border? Looks like it was factory made, even better :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:07 pm
by peter-curacao
Fuzz wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:04 pm How did you cut the border? Looks like it was factory made, even better :wink:
Router as I understood from his comment

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:11 pm
by Fuzz
I haven’t used a router that much and only have a few bits so I did not know there was a bit that would shave off the non-skid nice and flat. I did understand he used it to do the round over. Learn something new every day. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:14 pm
by peter-curacao
Fuzz wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:11 pm I haven’t used a router that much and only have a few bits so I did not know there was a bit that would shave off the non-skid nice and flat. I did understand he used it to do the round over. Learn something new every day. :D
I was just trying to answer your question in no means I was trying to make you look bad, sorry if I did :oops:
Edit: this will cover a lot, first upper left 7 will shave off
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:18 pm
by Fuzz
Peter I did not think for a minute you were doing anything but trying to help. Sorry if my reply sounded like I did. Dad-blame email type posting can sure be taken the wrong way. If I ever post something that upsets anyone I sure hope they PM me and let me know as it would not be something I wanted to do.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:31 pm
by peter-curacao
Fuzz wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:18 pm Peter I did not think for a minute you were doing anything but trying to help. Sorry if my reply sounded like I did. Dad-blame email type posting can sure be taken the wrong way. If I ever post something that upsets anyone I sure hope they PM me and let me know as it would not be something I wanted to do.
Don't worry you didn't sound like it, I just had some doubt I could have been a little direct again, after this comment I sometimes have some doubts about my comments and try to be more careful and do some damage control :)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:34 pm
by Aripeka Angler
peter-curacao wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:00 pm That board is uber cool!! 8) 8)
Yes, I about started slobbering on myself when I saw the board. HDPE with non-skid? Awesome. 8)
Fuzz wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:04 pm What Peter said :!: How did you cut the border? Looks like it was factory made, even better :wink:
Thanks. :D I used a two flute 25mm diamond router bit set at 1.147mm deep to remove the nonskid.
You can actually radius the corners of the board and remove the non-skid to look the same with a table saw, then round it over with a hand router. It's actually pretty easy.
I'm really happy with the finished product. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:38 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz, he probably used a round over with a wide shoulder. The key is very careful depth adjustment. That will give you the edge and shoulder in one shot.

Routers are worth getting comfortable with. Just remember they are merciless when it comes to taking flesh off when you are careless.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:38 pm
by Fuzz
Cool! would never have thought of using a table saw. I need some wood working skills but I am afraid I was born without those genes :cry: Gaps are good and wood glue covers a world of sins :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:48 pm
by peter-curacao
Fuzz wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:38 pm Cool! would never have thought of using a table saw. I need some wood working skills but I am afraid I was born without those genes :cry:
Fortunately you are a nice person to hang around, so I'm sure there are enough to help you with that!
Yeah yeah before you all start let me beat all of you to it :lol:
[youtube]https://youtu.be/NNC0kIzM1Fo[/youtube]

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:57 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jaysen wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:38 pm Fuzz, he probably used a round over with a wide shoulder. The key is very careful depth adjustment. That will give you the edge and shoulder in one shot.
That is a really good guess. If the shoulder was 4-8mm wide, I would have used a single bit as you describe.
The edge actually required 3 different setups.
37.5mm corner radius.
24.5 mm x 1.147mm deep perimeter rout.
9.53mm round over top and bottom.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:07 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:38 pm Cool! would never have thought of using a table saw. I need some wood working skills but I am afraid I was born without those genes :cry: Gaps are good and wood glue covers a world of sins :lol:
Once you radius the corners of a panel, it's easy to make the cut on a table saw. The thickness of the panel at the edge in my picture is 23/32". Set the fence to that distance from the blade. Set the blade 1" above the table on the saw. Stand the panel on edge and feed it between the fence and blade. You have to slow down a bit going around the corners, but you can cut a nice shoulder this way...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:10 pm
by Fuzz
That is way cool! And I even totally understood how to go about it. I could learn so much just watching a true wood worker do his thing :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:34 pm
by Jaysen
I guess I was thinking more of a shaper bit I used for molding. I would have used a flush trim on a 1/2” corner template, used a wide rabbit and a guide fence to take a super shallow facing to lower the nonslip, then did the round over on the edge. You way is much slicker. No smoothing issues your way.

I need to take up an apprenticeship in your shop.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:30 am
by poleposition
If you don't mind me asking, where did you source that HDPE / non skid, and what thickness did you use? That really looks good and I can see several other apps that it would be perfect for. As others have noted throughout the build, the craftsmanship has really been spectacular ( and a bit daunting to those of us far less skilled! )

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:03 pm
by Aripeka Angler
poleposition wrote: Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:30 am If you don't mind me asking, where did you source that HDPE / non skid, and what thickness did you use? That really looks good and I can see several other apps that it would be perfect for. As others have noted throughout the build, the craftsmanship has really been spectacular ( and a bit daunting to those of us far less skilled! )
I appreciate the kind words. :)
The HDPE non-skid is polar white 3/4" (19mm) thick. I buy all of my plastic from Farco Plastics. We use a bunch of Seaboard and Starboard to build outdoor storage units for Veterinary clinics. We also use HDPE to fabricate trench drain screens for dog kennels.
Two of the most common brands are Vycom-Grip-X and Densetec-Anti-Skid. This stuff is not cheap but it is indestructible and it will last forever...

http://www.farcoplastics.com/

Edit, here is another non-skid board that Farco sells. It is called GemTread...

https://www.gemplastics.com/marine-solutions

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:16 pm
by Aripeka Angler
More fairing tonight, nothing exciting. Still gathering wire and hardware, getting close to priming the inside of the boat.
I should have some pics to post over the weekend.

I want to share with you guys what I do on my day job, the one that pays the bills. 8)
We build cabinets and store fixtures. Here is a job I we finished a few weeks ago. We do our own solid surface and glass standoffs as well...

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I can't post a frontal view of the big desk in the last photo, there was a lady sitting behind it...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:23 pm
by peter-curacao
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:16 pm
I want to share with you guys what I do on my day job, the one that pays the bills. 8)
We build cabinets and store fixtures.
Awesome wish I could be a part of it!!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:47 am
by Aripeka Angler
I think it is pretty sad that my government won't let you in since you are trying to do it the right way. Makes no sense to me.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:23 pm
by Fuzz
A German friend of mine has the same problem. He has job skills that are needed here but has been waiting for about ten years and is being told it could be another seven before he gets it. I keep telling him to swim the Rio Grand but he says he will only do it the right way.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:32 pm
by Jaysen
Go to Canada, I think it is 6mo, and establish residency. Then come to US. I'm pretty sure that's the easiest legal way to get here for work. Not sure you can LIVE here but work should be possible.

I'm sure I missed a step in there somewhere.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:37 pm
by cape_fisherman
If one of you would marry him, it would solve everything...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:42 pm
by peter-curacao
cape_fisherman wrote: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:37 pm If one of you would marry him, it would solve everything...
8O 8O :lol: :lol: Cleaning up my laptop now, boy that made me spit out my Baco over my keyboard, to funny :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 4:56 pm
by Fuzz
I keep telling my German friend there are way plenty of fat girls around here who would be more than happy to marry him but he will not go for it for some reason :doh:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 6:31 pm
by cape man
You have to marry both him and his wife, and Im not in Utah.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:22 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Still fairing the cockpit and the areas under the decks. I have all of the rigging and wiring ready to go once I get this fairing finished. I'm thinking we may see the decks installed this weekend. Pics of my progress so y'all won't think I'm completely slacking...

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The deck cleats are filleted and faired on both top and bottom. I will do the same with the gunwales once I glue them down. My theory is to seal up all of the nooks and crannies of the boat so there will be no places for water intrusion.
That's it for tonight...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:30 pm
by Jeff
Nice progress AA!! She looks good!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:30 pm
by Fuzz
It is always nice to see what a build is supposed to look like :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:01 pm
by seaslug
Very nice work Richard, the boat is looking great. Nice rod holders also, and you'll be amazed when you see that you won't need to bungy down the rods. My rods have never moved even a fraction of an inch bashing into boat wakes, that's how solid this type of construction is. A large part of that stiffness I attribute to the foam under the sole, which seems to just glue everything together. Mike

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:44 am
by peter-curacao
Very nice fairing job 8)
Just wondering about those side frames, are they still strong enough with those limber holes and rod holder holes so close together? (especially starboard bow side) or will the full deck provide the strength? Not trying to be a smart ass just like I said wondering and bring it to your attention.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:59 am
by Aripeka Angler
Thank you David and Jeff. :)
Mike, thanks! I started not to fair inside the hidden compartments to save time but ended up shaming myself into doing it. :lol:
I am truly amazed at how solid and stiff this hull became after I poured the foam. I think the hull could handle the stress of 50hp with no issue.
On the rod holders, I kind of followed what everyone else did who built this boat before me. I also doubled up on the thickness to counter having to punch the limber holes through the frames. It's thin in that spot, but it's strong as iron with the 12 ounce biax on both sides.
The lower slots will be used for the stakeout poles, they are too low for a rod with a reel installed. This is a byproduct of raising the sole 1-1/4".
I will post more progress pics over the weekend...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:05 am
by Jeff
Wow, early start this morning AA!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:08 am
by Aripeka Angler
peter-curacao wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:44 am Very nice fairing job 8)
Just wondering about those side frames, are they still strong enough with those limber holes and rod holder holes so close together? (especially starboard bow side) or will the full deck provide the strength? Not trying to be a smart ass just like I said wondering and bring it to your attention.
Thanks Peter. :D I was typing as you were. No worries, I welcome your input.
I think I'm going to be ok at the limber hole area. The hull has full 12 ounce biaxial cloth on both sides. The gunwales are taped to the decks and beefed up with a 65mm tall mahogany edge. The frames have 12 ounce biax on both sides also.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:11 am
by Aripeka Angler
Jeff wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:05 am Wow, early start this morning AA!! Jeff
Good morning! Yes, I'm an early riser, I usually go for a run at 6am, heading out now...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:18 am
by cape man
Can't believe you faired everything! It will be gorgeous!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:19 am
by peter-curacao
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:08 am

Thanks Peter. :D I was typing as you were. No worries, I welcome your input.
I think I'm going to be ok at the limber hole area. The hull has full 12 ounce biaxial cloth on both sides. The gunwales are taped to the decks and beefed up with a 65mm tall mahogany edge. The frames have 12 ounce biax on both sides also.
Okay sounds like your plenty strong, seems like your planning to breed elephants on bare bones? :D maybe change the s to an r in bones then? Image

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:40 am
by Dougster
I'm late posting but want to chime in on admiring the fairing work Richard. Fairing the inside, the cockpit and such has been the hardest part of the whole process for me, but you seem to make it look easy. Maybe it's the 6 a.m. run, I only do a 7 a.m. walk :wink:

Dougster

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:15 am
by Fair WX Pilot
I only do an 8am stagger to the kitchen but still think you’re build is impressive. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:48 pm
by Fuzz
peter-curacao wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:19 am
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:08 am

Thanks Peter. :D I was typing as you were. No worries, I welcome your input.
I think I'm going to be ok at the limber hole area. The hull has full 12 ounce biaxial cloth on both sides. The gunwales are taped to the decks and beefed up with a 65mm tall mahogany edge. The frames have 12 ounce biax on both sides also.
Okay sounds like your plenty strong, seems like your planning to breed elephants on bare bones? :D maybe change the s to an r in bones then? Image
:lol: :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:20 pm
by Aripeka Angler
peter-curacao wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:19 am
Okay sounds like your plenty strong, seems like your planning to breed elephants on bare bones? :D maybe change the s to an r in bones then? Image
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Not sure I have room for another compartment.
How big of a sock drawer do elephants require?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:30 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Dougster wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:40 am I'm late posting but want to chime in on admiring the fairing work Richard. Fairing the inside, the cockpit and such has been the hardest part of the whole process for me, but you seem to make it look easy. Maybe it's the 6 a.m. run, I only do a 7 a.m. walk :wink:

Dougster
Thanks Doug, always great to hear from you. 8)
I started painting the hidden areas today with tinted white epoxy.
I started out with some generic tint which was not very good. The S3 paste tint I switched to was great...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:41 am
by Eric1
Hi Richard, The boat is looking really nice! Did you glass the sole with 12 oz, Biax? My kit came with 6 oz for that but I'm thinking 12 oz would be tougher under foot. I think sliding a cooler or what ever would be hard on 6 oz in the long run.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:53 am
by Aripeka Angler
Eric1 wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:41 am Hi Richard, The boat is looking really nice! Did you glass the sole with 12 oz, Biax? My kit came with 6 oz for that but I'm thinking 12 oz would be tougher under foot. I think sliding a cooler or what ever would be hard on 6 oz in the long run.
Thanks Eric!
I did use 6 woven on the sole of Bare Bones, the hull is what I covered with the 12 ounce biaxial cloth.
I used the same stuff on my xf deck.
It really has held up great, I think it has a lot to do with the Kiwi grip. Monstaliner should do the same, not sure yet which one I'll use.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:01 am
by Eric1
Aripeka Angler wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:53 am
Eric1 wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 6:41 am Hi Richard, The boat is looking really nice! Did you glass the sole with 12 oz, Biax? My kit came with 6 oz for that but I'm thinking 12 oz would be tougher under foot. I think sliding a cooler or what ever would be hard on 6 oz in the long run.
Thanks Eric!
I did use 6 woven on the sole of Bare Bones, the hull is what I covered with the 12 ounce biaxial cloth.
I used the same stuff on my xf deck.
It really has held up great, I think it has a lot to do with the Kiwi grip. Monstaliner should do the same, not sure yet which one I'll use.
Thank You! If it's held up on Red Alert then it will be fine for me too. You probably get more time on your boat than I will my C21. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:10 pm
by peter-curacao
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:20 pm
peter-curacao wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:19 am
Okay sounds like your plenty strong, seems like your planning to breed elephants on bare bones? :D maybe change the s to an r in bones then? Image
Not sure I have room for another compartment.
How big of a sock drawer do elephants require?
You should have taken attention during biology lesson :lol: you don't use socks while breeding,and that does not only apply to elephants :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:49 pm
by Aripeka Angler
:lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:00 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Moving on, I got tinted epoxy coat number two inside the lockers. One or two more coats and I'm going to say good enough.
I'll post some pics over the weekend.
Today I picked up nearly everything it will take to finish the boat except a rigging boot or tube. I can't find one I like. :doh:
What I have exiting the rear deck is the fuel line, hydraulic hoses for the jack plate, wire for the led anchor light mounted on the motor cowling, the motor alternator wire going to the battery and the kill switch wires. All together maybe 1-1/2" of wires and hoses. Any and all suggestions are welcome. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:29 am
by glossieblack
Perhaps a nicely stitched leather sheath covering one of the off-the-shelf numbers that get the job done, but look like crap?

Your build is coming along beautifully. 8)

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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 7:00 pm
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:29 am Perhaps a nicely stitched leather sheath covering one of the off-the-shelf numbers that get the job done, but look like crap?

Your build is coming along beautifully. 8)

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Thank you Michael. :)
That's nice looking leather! I have never seen the product in your photo for sale in our marine stores.
That said, I like to see new ideas and materials I am not familiar with. I will do a search for it.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 12:39 am
by glossieblack
Traditionally, leather was used on boats for waterproofing (e.g. mast and chainplate boots), and to prevent chafing on sail edges, oars, blocks, and docking lines.

For me, a boat with a nicely executed leather detail or two oozes discrete class. Just my 2 cents worth .... :D

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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:01 am
by topwater
Richard look for an oar leathering kit , Jamestown distributors should have it.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:51 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks John and Michael, I will do some research on the leather wrap. :D

I'm starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I've been over drilling, filling, sanding, and other less than fun tasks for several days. Hopefully, I can get the decks down soon.
Bilge pics are not too exciting but here they are...

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Fuel tank is in. It's coated with Interlux Protect and glued to rubber strips with 3M 5200. The tank is isolated with a foam strip around the top and I'll seal the recess with marine silicone later...

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The bracket at the stern is for the hydraulic jac plate pump...


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That's it for tonight. :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:17 pm
by Fuzz
Really clean and neat :!: Looks like you are gaining on this one :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:24 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:17 pm Really clean and neat :!: Looks like you are gaining on this one :D
Thanks my friend. :D
I was thinking about your "Pineapple Express" at 6am today.
You know it was actually colder at my house this morning than Fairbanks Alaska?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:49 pm
by Fuzz
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:24 pm
Fuzz wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2017 11:17 pm Really clean and neat :!: Looks like you are gaining on this one :D
Thanks my friend. :D
I was thinking about your "Pineapple Express" at 6am today.
You know it was actually colder at my house this morning than Fairbanks Alaska?
I know you folks don't need the Alaska Blast any more than we need this damn Pineapple Express. This country is not made for warm winter weather, it really screws things up. We had snow and now it warmed up and rained. My drive is so slick I could not get out of my drive and onto the highway. My yard is so slick I have to ride a 4-wheeler from the house to the shop and it is slipping and sliding the whole way :help:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 2:36 am
by BarraMan
For me, a boat with a nicely executed leather detail or two oozes discrete class. Just my 2 cents worth .... :D
I'll remember to bring my bullwhip to the launch of Skinnydip, Michael! :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:14 am
by cape man
They call us Crackers! A bullwhip-like rigging sleeve is perfect!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:24 am
by peter-curacao
As always outstanding!! 8) 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:43 am
by Jeff
Really nice work AA!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:23 am
by OrangeQuest
Aripeka Angler wrote: Fri Dec 08, 2017 8:00 pm Today I picked up nearly everything it will take to finish the boat except a rigging boot or tube. I can't find one I like. :doh:
What I have exiting the rear deck is the fuel line, hydraulic hoses for the jack plate, wire for the led anchor light mounted on the motor cowling, the motor alternator wire going to the battery and the kill switch wires. All together maybe 1-1/2" of wires and hoses. Any and all suggestions are welcome. :D
Can tell when you guys are joking around but if you ARE looking for marine grade leather to bundle your hoses and such you may try sailrite.com

Seems they only have grey but you can get it by the square foot and different weights. How are your sewing skills?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:55 am
by Dougster
Great looking build Richard. Nicest fuel tank install I'll ever see! I believe that boat is going to be something very special.

Dougster

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:47 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Jeff, Peter and Doug for the nice comments. :D I appreciate it, keeps me going when I want to slack off.
OrangeQuest wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:23 am [quote="Aripeka Angler" post_id=411525 time=<a href="tel:1512781233">1512781233</a> user_id=8579]
Today I picked up nearly everything it will take to finish the boat except a rigging boot or tube. I can't find one I like. :doh:
What I have exiting the rear deck is the fuel line, hydraulic hoses for the jack plate, wire for the led anchor light mounted on the motor cowling, the motor alternator wire going to the battery and the kill switch wires. All together maybe 1-1/2" of wires and hoses. Any and all suggestions are welcome. :D
Can tell when you guys are joking around but if you ARE looking for marine grade leather to bundle your hoses and such you may try sailrite.com

Seems they only have grey but you can get it by the square foot and different weights. How are your sewing skills?
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I am not kidding, I'm actually looking at the leather. I'll check out your link, thanks! 8) Not sure what I'll do yet.
FWIW, I looked at a zip up canvas chase tube yesterday, it was the worst looking pos I have ever viewed...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:26 pm
by seaslug
Also like your fuel tank install. Best part though is you'll have the most accurate fuel gauge there is, a long straight stick that never lies.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:12 pm
by OrangeQuest
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:47 pm I am not kidding, I'm actually looking at the leather. I'll check out your link, thanks! 8) Not sure what I'll do yet.
FWIW, I looked at a zip up canvas chase tube yesterday, it was the worst looking pos I have ever viewed...
I think I seen the same thing, it used sunbrella and to close the ends zip ties?

As nice as your boat is looking I can't see you settling for anything but the best you can find/make.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:58 pm
by Aripeka Angler
OrangeQuest wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:12 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:47 pm I am not kidding, I'm actually looking at the leather. I'll check out your link, thanks! 8) Not sure what I'll do yet.
FWIW, I looked at a zip up canvas chase tube yesterday, it was the worst looking pos I have ever viewed...
I think I seen the same thing, it used sunbrella and to close the ends zip ties?

As nice as your boat is looking I can't see you settling for anything but the best you can find/make.
Thank you. :D
I'm pretty sure we are talking.about the same canvas tube. Yuk.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:02 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Settled in today for the final push to the finish of Bare Bones.
I'm working on the hull paint color.
Weighed the boat, I'm happy with the results...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:49 pm
by Jaysen
What’s your color options?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:00 pm
by Fuzz
Aripeka Angler wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 8:02 pm Settled in today for the final push to the finish of Bare Bones.
I'm working on the hull paint color.
Weighed the boat, I'm happy with the results...
Dang man nothing like leaving us hanging :doh:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:01 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz, I think that means we can speculate wildly about things. Yes?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:02 pm
by Fuzz
Purple and orange for colour.
weight 1750 :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:03 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I like wild speculation. :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:05 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:02 pm Purple and orange for colour.
weight 1750 :lol:
You are hurting my feelings.
1750 is way too light.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:13 pm
by Fuzz
Have to account for the bling :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:20 pm
by Jaysen
Higher end bling is heavy.

I figure chartuse with pink polka dots. Bare weight in the 800 range (he went for light bling and o it added a 44” OLED with sound bar (skimping in full surround)). The only real issue is the limit of 250’ extension cord... keeps him close to the dock but make it easy to make margaritas. Although his Chinese supplier of drink umbrellas is offering to source a longer cord if he’ll comitt to a gross of umbrellas a week.

Am I close?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:24 pm
by Fuzz
:lol:
Foolish me here I thought Peter was nuts :help:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:29 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:24 pm :lol:
Foolish me here I thought Peter has nuts :help:
Fixed it.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:48 pm
by TomW1
Glad your nearing the end Richard. It's been a long haul with the hurricane thrown ii there. Look forward to see her launched soon..

Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 9:59 am
by pee wee
I like the approach of keeping things simple and light; there is a cascading series of benefits when you go that way- less fuel use, less maintenance work, etc. Very well thought out and executed. 8)

500 pounds, purple and green stripes?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:19 am
by cape man
It's been a long haul
8 months to painting seems pretty darned quick to me! :D :D

I can't imagine what it weighs at this point :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:00 pm
by TomW1
Ah Richard your build is great and sure appreciate your documenting it. If people want to see the Designers specifications they can find them on the PDF page. Hull weight as designed is 240 lbs. I think you went over that a little bit. :D I think you'll make the DWL at Designed Displacement, 4" at 1100lbs.

Regards and Merry Christmas

Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:38 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Today's progress...


I had to do some of the "impossible to get to" rigging before I installed the decks. Waiting on some connectors to finish the wiring...


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Caulked in the fuel tank with translucent grey silicone...


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Had to install the stern and bow eyes before painting. I'll have to mask them when I paint, no access after the decks go on.


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I put my cnc jig on the transom and redrilled the over drilled and refilled bolt holes. The plate has a non standard drilling pattern.
The pattern of a standard outboard is different.


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I hit the bull's eye. :lol:


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Lastly, glued down the decks. :D The screws will come out tomorrow...


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These are the cockpit drains, I will flare them and they will disappear when they get painted the hull color...


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That's it for tonight. :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:42 pm
by cape man
Hell yes!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:53 pm
by Jaysen
Sweet.

I was thinking... you need a “bone white” primary color in this. Something the make it look less picked over or commercial stripped hull and more ... wasted in the desert. Not sure I’m explaining that well. Think sun bleached skeleton and it might make sense.

I’m sure there will be a run on socks wherever you launch her no matter what colors you use.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:26 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Had to take a little siesta and trim the tree. 8)
The hull weight with the jackplate, battery, fuel tank, wiring and decks is 465 lbs.
For sure "Bare Bones" will have some shade of white paint on the topside, the hull will be ice blue.
Need to sort out some skeletal fish graphics for the hull. Still pondering. :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:43 pm
by Larry B
AA, very nice clean work, That really looks good :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:58 pm
by Jeff
Excellent work AA!!!! Have a good weekend!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:06 pm
by glossieblack
Lovely building, Richard. Santa may have to make room for her in his sack. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:27 pm
by Dutch1
Wow, it looks great! Thanks for posting so many pics.

What gauge wire did you run for your pos/neg? And, what size fuel line is that?

Steve

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:00 am
by OrangeQuest
Very good looking!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:01 am
by Eric1
Very well done Richard! Cheers!! 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:43 am
by Dougster
Sure does look good Richard. So neat and well laid out, with real form follows function beauty. I think those are zip ties anchoring the rigging down the sides? How did you anchor them? I one tried little glue on sticky plastic things that didn't hold up and need to use something better.

Dougster

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:03 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Looks fantastic Richard. Thanks for posting the pictures.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:26 am
by fallguy1000
Why is the fuel i take line looped? P n T

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:27 pm
by cape man
That's the fuel vent.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 12:30 pm
by willg
Very impressive!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 5:23 am
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks guys, I appreciate the support!
Dougster wrote: Sun Dec 17, 2017 9:43 am Sure does look good Richard. So neat and well laid out, with real form follows function beauty. I think those are zip ties anchoring the rigging down the sides? How did you anchor them? I one tried little glue on sticky plastic things that didn't hold up and need to use something better.

Dougster
The rigging tubes are 1" flexible electronics tubing. The tubing is attached to the gunwale cleats with gray pvc electrical pipe straps. I cut off one side of the strap and screwed the other side with a #8 x 1/2" stainless steel screw. The whole setup probably weighs less than a 3' section of 1" pvc pipe.

Dutch1 wrote: Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:27 pm Wow, it looks great! Thanks for posting so many pics.

What gauge wire did you run for your pos/neg? And, what size fuel line is that?

Steve
Hi Steve, The fuel line is 3/8" id. The battery wires are #6 AWG marine cable. I figured I'd use a decent sized cable in case the owner decides to put small electric started outboard on the boat. I don't think she will starve for fuel lol.

I spent a couple of hours on the boat yesterday. I filled the gap between the deck and the rubrail and also over drilled and filled all of the deck cleat and hinge holes. I'm going to glass the deck tonight.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:24 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Tonight's progress.
Sanded out the topside of "Bare Bones" and glassed her deck and gunwales with 6 ounce cloth...


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That's it for tonight. :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:31 pm
by Jaysen
You just photoshopped the glass texture on there.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:38 pm
by Fuzz
Crap I can't get my epoxy to look that good when I am just coating bare wood :oops:
Like always your work looks great there AA :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:32 pm
by cape man
You have to know what I'm thinking looking at that...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:04 pm
by Aripeka Angler
cape man wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:32 pm You have to know what I'm thinking looking at that...
I'll take a guess.
"Throw some paint on the sob and let's haul it to Cape Sable".
Jaysen wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:31 pm You just photoshopped the glass texture on there.
Does that mean it looks fake? I need to do a better job next time. :lol:
Fuzz wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:38 pm Crap I can't get my epoxy to look that good when I am just coating bare wood :oops:
Like always your work looks great there AA :D
Thanks David. Been thinking a lot about y'all. I hope the best for you and your wife's parents.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:06 pm
by justin_dwyer
Great job AA, will be a nice boat when you're done!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:14 pm
by glossieblack
Very nice work Richard.
cape man wrote: Mon Dec 18, 2017 9:32 pm You have to know what I'm thinking looking at that...
My guess is that you're thinking 'leave it bright'.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:15 pm
by justin_dwyer
I'm thinking you come and finish my boat for me AA :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 3:11 am
by Eric1
Really Nice Build!! :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:20 am
by icelikkilinc
As always, top job.. this baby will be a serious fishing machine...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:21 am
by cape man
Michael got it! EMC clear! I'm going to cry if you paint that. :-o :-o

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:09 am
by fallguy1000
Looks great. Are you going to leave it bright finish?

I don't understand the fuel vent loop. I have seen a loop above the fuel vent so that any water ingress drain back out, but never saw a looped line under the vent height. I thought fuel could get into the bottom of the vent line and end up trapped. I have two of these to do, so want to get it right.

Thanks.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:14 pm
by OrangeQuest
This article may or may not help with the vent and vent hose.

https://www.boatingmag.com/five-boat-fuel-vent-tips

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:18 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I did it wrong, the hose should have a half loop above the vent outlet.
I'll reach in the hatch and re-route the hose.
This is the reason it good to have an extra set of eyes watching a build.
Thanks for catching my error. 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:36 pm
by fallguy1000
All the best. Boat looks great!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:03 pm
by Aripeka Angler
So I am getting geared up for painting.
The hull from the bottom of the rubrail and down will be ice blue EMC paint.
The upper deck and sole will be EMC cream.
Should I paint the hull between the sole and the gunwale ice blue? :doh:
Not sure how this would look, opinions welcome.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:11 pm
by fishgitr
I think so

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:14 pm
by Jaysen
Yes.

Now go paint!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 9:11 pm
by fallguy1000
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:03 pm So I am getting geared up for painting.
The hull from the bottom of the rubrail and down will be ice blue EMC paint.
The upper deck and sole will be EMC cream.
Should I paint the hull between the sole and the gunwale ice blue? :doh:
Not sure how this would look, opinions welcome.
Look like a bateau posting with embedded reply. Be nice, but the bones gotta be black.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:54 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fall Guy, the bones will be black, count on it. :wink:
I got my EMC Ice Blue paint today.
When Reid said it was out of stock 3 days ago, I was a little bummed.
After a quick status email from Jeff, the paint is on my door step today.
Many thanks to the crew at BBC for your great service and support!!
Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to all of you!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:57 pm
by fallguy1000
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:54 pm Fall Guy, the bones will be black, count on it. :wink:
I got my EMC Ice Blue paint today.
When Reid said it was out of stock 3 days ago, I was a little bummed.
After a quick status email from Jeff, the paint is on my door step today.
Many thanks to the crew at BBC for your great service and support!!
Merry Christmas and a happy New Year to all of you!
I like the icy green color. Your boat will look great.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:45 pm
by Jeff
AA, yes Robin at EMC really does a great job!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:16 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jeff, Robin must be a nice lady. I like the EMC products.
You give her the credit but I know who made this happen. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 7:58 am
by Jeff
AA, thank you!! You guys have a great Christmas holiday!! By the way, I really like the color you chose!! Talk next week!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:26 pm
by Aripeka Angler
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:37 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Merry Christmas to you as well Jeff!

I got a little bit of work done today. Sanded out the fairing compound in the cockpit and on the deck. Also finished up the wiring under the stern hatch....


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I also put on some primer, it was a long day...


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I have a few runs and some roller tracks but I will start sorting that out overnight and again in the morning. I also have a tiny bit of filling to do. Will have to put the red bow on an unpainted boat. That's it for tonight. :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:57 pm
by glossieblack
Bare Bones will look great with her red bow on Christmas Day. Take a bow Richard. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:18 pm
by Fuzz
Take a bow indeed :!: As the Cracker would have said that thing is as slick as an eels pecker :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:28 pm
by fallguy1000
The pic with the electrics. What are the strips and what brand?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:01 pm
by Aripeka Angler
fallguy1000 wrote: Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:28 pm The pic with the electrics. What are the strips and what brand?

The black buss bar is made by Blue Seas, I'm pretty sure the red one is also. The wires and heat shrink connectors are all made by Ancor. The fuse panel is by Amarine. Would have liked to have used a Blue Seas panel but after I passed 7k on this build I had to put the brakes on.
Fuzz wrote: Sat Dec 23, 2017 10:18 pm Take a bow indeed :!: As the Cracker would have said that thing is as slick as an eels pecker :wink:
Was thinking about Cracker today. Bradley and I sat on his porch early this year as he was slipping away.
I had just started this build, though his body was failing he gave me some great advice on building an FS18.
Was thinking today I wish he could have saw Bare Bones, then thought that was selfish. Anyway, Cracker was always a big help when I was building something.
glossieblack wrote: Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:57 pm Bare Bones will look great with her red bow on Christmas Day. Take a bow Richard. :D
Thank you Michael!
Enjoy the final leg of your journey and have a Merry Christmas! :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:58 am
by topwater
Merry Christmas Richard the boat is a work of art and your son should be real happy 8)
Stay safe.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:12 pm
by cape man
You've been busy! Looks great.

Hear you on the Cracker. Spending the night Friday with Dori was great, but as we all sat on the porch, his building shed was eerily silent and empty. Kept wanting to tell him about the recent upgrades and work on Clara and your progress on Bare Bones. Miss him...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 2:47 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Craig and John. :D Glad you made it safe to PA.

Today's progress.
I got all of the hatches and bling drilled and mounted. Of course all of this will have to be removed to paint...

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Still a lot to do but at least she will be presentable tomorrow. 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:13 pm
by Jeff
Nice AA!! The hatches look great!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 6:58 pm
by TomW1
Nice Richard. Merry Christmas to you and the family.

Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2017 7:11 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thank you Tom and Jeff! Merry Christmas.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 3:38 pm
by icelikkilinc
Superb job Richard
Merry Christmas

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 8:19 pm
by Dutch1
She looks great Richard! Great job. He is a lucky recipient of a boat like that!!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:51 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thank you Ilker and Dutch. :D Merry Christmas to y'all as well!
Well, Bare Bones isn't quite finished but I presented her to my son Harrison this morning.
He loves the boat and will take great care of her. 8)
We talked at length about small custom details yet to come. Such as extra rod holders, push pole brackets, etc.
She will stay at my shop for about another month while I finish her. After which she will be relocated to Fort Myers where she will prowl the waters of Estero Bay with her captain in search of redfish, tarpon and snook.
I will continue to post pics of the build progress as I paint and finish rigging the boat...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 25, 2017 10:01 pm
by Fuzz
I am betting somebody had an X-mas he will remember for a long time. I can picture Harrison stocking fish in the back water with it. Seems like it would be a really neat way to fish.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:12 am
by Jeff
Nice Christmas for Harrison!!!! AA, yes, please keep the photos coming as I want to see the “custom details’ you add to complete her!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:29 am
by Dougster
So very nice. What a fine thing to be able to do for your son :D

Dougster

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 6:04 pm
by icelikkilinc
Now that's a Xmas present
That would have been the best present ever that I could think off

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:07 pm
by Fuzz
Happy New Year to you and Sandy :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:53 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2017 1:07 pm Happy New Year to you and Sandy :D
Happy New Year to you and Luda as well. 8)
I have a 1/2 bushel of Florida oysters on ice for tomorrow as well as our traditional southern meal of black eyed peas, collards, corn bread and hog jowls. Oysters on ice...

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Other than losing my friend CL, it was a great year.
My daughter got married to a wonderful man, the business did well, went to Alaska and built a boat. Harrison is coming tomorrow for a week, we will for sure work on Bare Bones a little bit.
Laminated the hatches with glass yesterday, I'm just about ready to start painting.
Happy New Year to all who have followed this build. :)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:12 am
by cape man
Peas are soaking, and we're a third of the way through a half bushel of oysters here. Nice and cool, but you may want to throw a little ice on top of those babies. Just make sure the box drains.

CL, two young friends, and both parents left in 2017. Major funding disaster at work and a nasty woman named Irma tore us a new one that I'm still dealing with...

But as I sat around a camp fire last night under a huge moon, sipping some apple pie moonshine I made, listening to Bob Dylan and the conversation between my children, 3 friends from Peace Corps, and my wife, i realized just how lucky i am to be me.

Happy New Year my friend! Glad to hear you are going to get Harrison to help with Bare Bones. Wish it was warm enough for him to sweat a little equity in her 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2018 7:49 pm
by cvincent
I just caught up on your build. This is a beautiful boat and you put it together quickly. I hope you post pictures when the boat is painted and finished.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:38 am
by Aripeka Angler
Thank you.
It has been too cold to work with my slow hardener epoxy and just about too cold for quick fair.
We have had multiple days with lows in the high 20's and low 30's.
We will get a break from the cold this weekend, I will post some progress photos.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:03 am
by glossieblack
OK, I'm calling this Bare Bones thread the best Bareau2 build thread of 2017.

Not only does it document a seriously innovative and quality build, it also captures what most mattered in our Batuea2 build community this year. The most recent example ......
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:53 pm
Other than losing my friend CL, it was a great year.
My daughter got married to a wonderful man, the business did well, went to Alaska and built a boat. Harrison is coming tomorrow for a week, we will for sure work on Bare Bones a little bit.
Laminated the hatches with glass yesterday, I'm just about ready to start painting.
Happy New Year to all who have followed this build. :)
cape man wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:12 am
CL, two young friends, and both parents left in 2017. Major funding disaster at work and a nasty woman named Irma tore us a new one that I'm still dealing with...

But as I sat around a camp fire last night under a huge moon, sipping some apple pie moonshine I made, listening to Bob Dylan and the conversation between my children, 3 friends from Peace Corps, and my wife, i realized just how lucky i am to be me.

Happy New Year my friend! Glad to hear you are going to get Harrison to help with Bare Bones. Wish it was warm enough for him to sweat a little equity in her 8)
Thanks Richard and Craig. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 9:03 am
by Jeff
Nice kind words there GB and I could not agree more!! Hope your health is improving!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 3:03 pm
by Fuzz
I have to agree with Glossieblack.
I was sitting here thinking how nice it would have been to be able to watch when Richard, Craig and the Cracker were all together. Even though I never meet Larry I was pretty sure I would have enjoyed him. After meeting his wife Dori at the meet I now have zero doubt.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:35 pm
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:03 am OK, I'm calling this Bare Bones thread the best Bareau2 build thread of 2017.

Not only does it document a seriously innovative and quality build, it also captures what most mattered in our Batuea2 build community this year. The most recent example ......
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2017 8:53 pm
Other than losing my friend CL, it was a great year.
My daughter got married to a wonderful man, the business did well, went to Alaska and built a boat. Harrison is coming tomorrow for a week, we will for sure work on Bare Bones a little bit.
Laminated the hatches with glass yesterday, I'm just about ready to start painting.
Happy New Year to all who have followed this build. :)

cape man wrote: Mon Jan 01, 2018 7:12 am
CL, two young friends, and both parents left in 2017. Major funding disaster at work and a nasty woman named Irma tore us a new one that I'm still dealing with...

But as I sat around a camp fire last night under a huge moon, sipping some apple pie moonshine I made, listening to Bob Dylan and the conversation between my children, 3 friends from Peace Corps, and my wife, i realized just how lucky i am to be me.

Happy New Year my friend! Glad to hear you are going to get Harrison to help with Bare Bones. Wish it was warm enough for him to sweat a little equity in her 8)
Thanks Richard and Craig. :D
Not sure what to say Michael. Your post sure is high praise coming from a master builder. 8)
Take care of yourself, we will be hoping and praying for a swift recovery from your health issue.
That said, I'm proud to be a part of this community of boat builders...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 2:18 am
by TomW1
Here, Here! :!: But Glossieback don't sell yourself short that is a heck of a boat you have built. I miss Larry a lot. :( He and I were soul brothers and talked often, I fished on his GF16 5 miles out in the Gulf. I now own his OD18. He and I talked about different rules, different gas tank vent requirements. and then propping the boats he built. We both had the USCG rules so that if anyone on the forum needed help one of us could help them. He had practical knowledge and I some of that plus courses from the Westlawn School of Yacht Design, like Jacques.


Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:20 am
by Fuzz
Hey congratulations to the birthday boy :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:42 am
by Jeff
AA, have a great birthday!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:50 am
by topwater
Happy birthday Richard :!:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:36 pm
by TomW1
Happy birthday Richard :D

Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:04 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks for the birthday wishes guys!!
I took the day off from work today, first real day off since Christmas Day.
It was nice to recharge the batteries a little bit...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:10 pm
by peter-curacao
8) Little late but Happy Birthday my friend 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:13 pm
by Aripeka Angler
peter-curacao wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:10 pm 8) Little late but Happy Birthday my friend 8)
Thank you for the happy birthday!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:44 pm
by glossieblack
Yes happy birthday Richard. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:39 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thank you Michael :D
A nice cut of beef steak on the grill and a fine cab at 67'F. 8)
Perfect ending to a day off...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:13 pm
by Joe H
Hope it's not to late! Your not that old are ya? :D
Happy Birthday Richard!
Joe & Janet

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:54 pm
by Fuzz
Joe H wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:13 pm Hope it's not to late! Your not that old are ya? :D
Happy Birthday Richard!
Joe & Janet
Hell he is so young his other nut just dropped :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:11 am
by topwater
I don't know Fuzz at the last builders meet he was sleeping at 9 pm. :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:03 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Joe H wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:13 pm Hope it's not to late! Your not that old are ya? :D
Happy Birthday Richard!
Joe & Janet
Hi Joe, you are never too late!
As CL would say, "You are my favorite Yankee". :lol:
I hope you get to come down this winter, I miss you and Janet!

Back to the build...
Bones is primed and the paint is staged and ready for a painting event as soon as it warms up. Hopefully this weekend.
The boat is in a big shop which is kind of tough to heat. This is normally not a problem but we have had some unusually cold weather this year.
While I have been waiting for normal weather, I glassed the hatches.
I also discovered some cool round base 10-24 machine thread tee nuts for the hatches. These are not the tee nuts with the gouging spurs.
I think this setup with the thin hatch lids and tee nuts is going to be awesome!
I didn't want to bore y'all with nut pics, I'll post something picture worthy soon... :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:49 pm
by glossieblack
Sounding good. 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:51 pm
by Fuzz
I think I need to be bored. If these nuts work out like you hope please post about them. Always looking for a better way to do things :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:55 am
by glossieblack
Fuzz wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:51 pm I think I need to be bored. :wink:
Fuzz, please remember this is a boat building site. 8O

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:47 am
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:51 pm I think I need to be bored. If these nuts work out like you hope please post about them. Always looking for a better way to do things :wink:
Fuzz wants to see your nuts! BWHAAAAAAAHAHAHHAAAAA :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:37 pm
by Fuzz
Dang it Eric :!: Now you make me blow my morning coffee all over my keyboard :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:14 pm
by Eric1
Fuzz wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2018 1:37 pm Dang it Eric :!: Now you make me blow my morning coffee all over my keyboard :lol:
That's what I did too! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:30 am
by Fuzz
glossieblack wrote: Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:55 am
Fuzz wrote: Mon Jan 15, 2018 8:51 pm I think I need to be bored. :wink:
Fuzz, please remember this is a boat building site. 8O
I was a little slow and missed your point until Eric decided to make it perfectly clear :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:21 am
by cape man
You guys... :roll:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:27 am
by Browndog
Ah Nuts....

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:08 am
by Aripeka Angler
You guys are too funny. :lol:
If you have ever screwed a hatch hinge on a hatch lid with sheet metal or wood screws, this will be a game changer.
The screws work loose, rot out, fall off and generally just plain suck.
Here is a pic of the stainless round disc tee nuts. The threads will be contained inside the hatch and won't pull through because of the disc.
The disc is low profile so it won't need an inside wood backing plate. The backing plates generally suck and get in the way of the hatch gutters. Not to mention possibility of having to be a neanderthal with screw threads sticking through the inside of your brand new hatch lids.

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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:17 am
by poleposition
Geezus---you just solved a world of problems. I'm also guessing a little Loctite may not be a bad idea to use w/ these either. Where did you find them?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:24 am
by Jaysen
how are you embedding them in the hatch? 1/2" hole and some epoxy? Just wondering.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:27 am
by Aripeka Angler
poleposition wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:17 am Geezus---you just solved a world of problems. I'm also guessing a little Loctite may not be a bad idea to use w/ these either. Where did you find them?
Yes on the loctite, good idea!
I got them off of good old Amazon.
I'll post a link in a bit.

Edit:spelling.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:34 am
by Aripeka Angler
Jaysen wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:24 am how are you embedding them in the hatch? 1/2" hole and some epoxy? Just wondering.
They are simply drilled through the hatch and the thin disc is surface mounted on the inside surface of the hatch.
The outside diameter of the threaded sleeve is 9/32". The machine threads are #10-24.
Edit- My holes in the hatches are already overdrilled and filled 3/8" holes.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:48 am
by poleposition
^

You could always recess them w/ a forstner bit if clearance ever became a problem.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:53 am
by OrangeQuest
Maybe the tee nuts could be counter sunk and then epoxied over for a very clean look.

Very good find!!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:02 pm
by Jaysen
poleposition wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2018 11:48 am ^

You could always recess them w/ a forstner bit if clearance ever became a problem.
That's what I was thinking... 1/16 fostner, some epoxy, press in pem to make it 100% flush AND stuck in there permanently.

But then I may be missing something in the description. I'm slow that way.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:01 pm
by Aripeka Angler
You certainly could recess the disc portion of the nut.
The disc is 1/16" thick. It's pretty skinny. I think I'll try it flush mounted.
Link is anyone is interested...
https://www.amazon.com/Hillman-Group-41 ... sc+tee+nut

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:38 pm
by Newt
I have found McMaster-Carr to be a very good source for fasteners of all kinds. https://www.mcmaster.com/#tee-nuts/=1b6a9fs

Newt

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:02 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I've been really busy at work, as in 7 days a week for 3 months.
Progress has been a little slow due to work and the XF20 transom rebuild. This is about to change.
With the sale of the GF12, we ordered a new aluminum trailer made by Continental.
The trailer will be delivered in about a week.
Cueing up to paint "Bare Bones" and put her on the trailer when it arrives...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:34 pm
by Jeff
AA, when you get a minute, I would like to discuss your purchase of your Continental trailer as we will need one for Reid’s FS18 fairly soon. No rush, just tell me when to call you and I will give you a call!! Thank you, Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:48 am
by glossieblack
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Mar 10, 2018 6:02 pm Cueing up to paint "Bare Bones" and put her on the trailer when it arrives...
Great news that you're about to get back to boat building. You've been missed! Looking forward to painting reports. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:31 pm
by peter-curacao
Aripeka Angler wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:01 pm You certainly could recess the disc portion of the nut.
The disc is 1/16" thick. It's pretty skinny. I think I'll try it flush mounted.
Link is anyone is interested...
https://www.amazon.com/Hillman-Group-41 ... sc+tee+nut
The flange is so thin I didn't even bother doing that, rubber seal will seal it with or without recess, just my 2 cents :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:21 pm
by Aripeka Angler
peter-curacao wrote: Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:31 pm
Aripeka Angler wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:01 pm You certainly could recess the disc portion of the nut.
The disc is 1/16" thick. It's pretty skinny. I think I'll try it flush mounted.
Link is anyone is interested...
https://www.amazon.com/Hillman-Group-41 ... sc+tee+nut
The flange is so thin I didn't even bother doing that, rubber seal will seal it with or without recess, just my 2 cents :wink:
Hi Peter, I sure miss you. It's been a long time...
I should have used the word surface mount. My bad.
I'm not recessing the nut flanges, the nuts will be surface mounted.
I drilled and dry fitted the trim tabs today.
Over drilled and filled the holes.
Getting ready for paint, maybe tomorrow not sure yet...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 3:46 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Finally made some forward progress on Bare Bones.
I put on two coats of EMC ice blue paint...

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I'm not close to happy with the finish, I think I will lightly sand and apply two additional coats of EMC.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 4:20 pm
by Jeff
AA, the photos sure do look good!! Although I will say it looks more like a real shinny white to me in the photos!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 5:30 pm
by Fuzz
You might not be happy but the pictures look dang good :!:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:25 pm
by glossieblack
Very nice progress Richard. I bet it feels good. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2018 6:55 pm
by Jaysen
Lil Bit has 4. The mistake is thinning/reducing. The “good coats” were straight from the can. No idea why it was so horrible to roll and tip with the reducer.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:36 am
by cape man
Looks great from here.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:59 am
by Dougster
Looks great to me too. I also used EMC ice blue on my SK14 and love the color. The pic doesn't do it justice. Re reducer, I just followed the mix directions and rolled it on. As I recall I didn't tip it and it leveled out fine. I did 3 coats.

Dougster

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:57 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks for the compliments guys but the paint looks like crap.
The issue I had with the EMC was horrific orange peel.
Buffed out a small area of the bottom today with the 13" ro sander. She looks much better.
I roll and tipped due to having too many finished cabinets in the shop.
I was worried about overspray. I'm going to finish sanding out the hull and spray on a finish coat.
The trailer arrived at the marina today, I'll pick it up soon...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:01 pm
by glossieblack
Nearly there. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 1:46 pm
by Eric1
Richard, I hope your final coat goes down slick. Boat looks pretty dang good from here though.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:41 pm
by cvincent
I had orange peel when rolling and tipping EMC. I had to wet sand and buff to get an acceptable finish. I plan to spray EMC with my 5 stage fuji turbine on my current build. I experimented with this and got very good results.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2018 4:42 pm
by Bogieman
Very nice thread / build.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:19 am
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks for the positive comments and also your help with the paint. I'll buff and spray the last coat, it will be fine.
I'm down with the flu, hopefully I will bounce back quickly.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:20 am
by OrangeQuest
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Mar 29, 2018 5:19 am I'm down with the flu, hopefully I will bounce back quickly.
Best wishes for a quick recovery.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:05 am
by Jeff
AA, Hope you get better very quick!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:23 pm
by Fuzz
Must be a pretty tough case of the flu to slow you down buddy.
Take good care of yourself that is nothing to mess with.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:27 pm
by Jeff
AA, I agree with Fuzz, this 2018 Flu is serious and you need to be careful and get help if needed!! Hope you are well soon!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:47 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks guys :D I think I'm on the mend, just today kept down my first solid food since Tuesday night.
On a lighter note, my Continental trailer is ready for pickup.
The marina called today and said it would be better to put the FS18 on the trailer before they fit the break tongue.
Seems reasonable. If I feel ok tomorrow, I'll ease down to Tampa and bring the trailer home...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 5:04 pm
by Jeff
Really glad you are better!! Enjoy the holiday weekend!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:52 pm
by cape man
Get better!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:36 pm
by TomW1
Richard glad your feeling better. :)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:39 pm
by Fuzz
I hope you really are better and just not pushing things.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:29 pm
by Eric1
Glad you're feeling better
:D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:52 am
by Nobeach
do we get to see more?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:09 pm
by Fuzz
I am pretty sure the man is just taking a break from building. He has been hooked up like a show dog with his work.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 1:43 pm
by Jeff
Agree with Fuzz as I had an email from AA about 2 weeks ago and his business was booming, no time off at all!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:28 pm
by Nobeach
"booming business" is good news, thanks guys.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:01 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Hi guys, I have been really busy. Working 70-80 hours per week.
Basically, our company’s sales are up 100% vs this time last year.
I did manage to fit the trailer bunks to the hull last weekend.
Hopefully, I can get the boat on the trailer this week so I can finish her...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:10 pm
by OrangeQuest
Glad to hear your business is doing so well. Hope you are pacing yourself and not over doing it.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:06 am
by Capt UB
OrangeQuest wrote: Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:14 pm This article may or may not help with the vent and vent hose.

https://www.boatingmag.com/five-boat-fuel-vent-tips
Thanks, OQ.
Good read..

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:31 am
by Eric1
I'm glad you all are busy Richard!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:35 am
by Jeff
Richard, Good to hear from you and congrats on your booming business!! Take care of yourself and get us some photos when you have time!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:51 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I have been way too busy with work. I think I am about to be caught up enough to be able to finish this boat. :wink:

I sanded off all of the paint that orange peeled earlier in the year.
One coat, sprayed with with an HVLP turbine...

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Coat number two...

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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:59 pm
by Eric1
Very Nice Richard1

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:59 pm
by Jeff
Nice work Richard!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 5:19 pm
by glossieblack
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:51 pm I have been way too busy with work. I think I am about to be caught up enough to be able to finish this boat. :wink:
Now that's good news. And she's looking good. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2018 8:28 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Eric, Jeff and Michael!! :D
I think I’m finally out of the work dungeon and back to alive.
The next pic will be the boat on her trailer...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 6:41 am
by topwater
Richard good to see you back at it . What are you using for paint and what size needle in the nozzle :?:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:03 am
by cape man
Was leaving you alone knowing about work, but damn man! About time you got back on it! That looks soooooo much better! Love that color. Let me know if you need help flipping her.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:40 am
by OrangeQuest
Bet it's nice to relax a little! Boat is looking great.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 10:44 am
by Dougster
Good to see you back Richard! The paint looks terrific, gonna be a fine boat.

Dougster

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 12:29 pm
by wegcagle
Looks awesome Richard!

Will

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 2:40 pm
by Fuzz
Boat looks good. Nice to see you have a little time to do what you want to do.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 7:03 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks OQ, Fuzz, Doug, Craig for the support! I appreciate all of the nice comments.
Will, how have you been? I sure miss the Cracker as I am sure you do as well. Good to hear from you. :D
John, I’m using EMC. I’ll have to check the HVLP gun setup, I don’t know the needle and nozzle sizes offhand.
For what it’s worth...I have used Sterling on three boats but I can’t seem to make the EMC work as well.
Tried rolling EMC, that didn’t make me happy.
Sprayed it, much better but still way less than perfect.
I followed the EMC directions to the letter. Used the correct catalyst for the application, etc.
Got Bare Bones on her trailer today, I didn’t take any photos.
After being upside down for 10 months, she looked pretty happy. :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2018 11:54 pm
by TomW1
Glad to see you back Richard. Bare Bones must have been feeling a little neglected. From the pictures the paint looks nice but I know up close it can be different. Take care and again glad your back at it.

Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:49 am
by Jeff
AA, good to see you are back!! Sorry the EMC paint is not treating you well but the photos you posted earlier looked really great!! Glad you have flipped her!! We are trying to get Reid's flipped this week and on her new trailer!! Talk soon and again, nice to see you back on the FS18!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:20 pm
by wegcagle
We’ve been great Richard! Just raising 3 kids, amazing wife, and a stable job that pays the bills :). Can’t complain.

I agree I sure do miss the Cracker, but appreciate the time we all had together. I certainly won’t ever forget pulling over a 100 mahi from an 18’ homebuilt boat 20+ miles offshore :D 8O with the ole man. Glad to see you still building them boats. It’s about time for me to spring another project on my wife :lol:

Will

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:05 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Hi Jeff, no worries. The paint difficulties are probably operator error.

Thanks Tom!

Will, glad you are doing well! Was thinking of you yesterday when your Dogs were spanking the Gators.

Handturkey and I got a little work done on the boat today.

The boat is on the trailer and we are painting the areas on the sole that will not be covered with Kiwigrip...

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That's it for today. :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:47 pm
by glossieblack
Not long now. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:56 pm
by Fuzz
It looks like your weather is cooling down enough to be good boat building. I am sure you are happy about that :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:28 pm
by wegcagle
Looks great! I love the moment paint (and Kiwigrip) go on! Nothing better than hearing people say, “wait...you built that?!?” 8)

I’m interested why you put the battery switch in the bow? Are you storing all the batteries up there? Or is that for a trolling motor?

Will

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:58 pm
by Jeff
Nice work AA!! Nice cool weather today, what a relief!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:21 pm
by cape man
Yeah baby!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:29 am
by Eric1
The boat looks great Richard! Glad you are able to get back to it.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 pm
by Reid
Looks really good!!! She'll be floating in no time!
-Reid

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:44 pm
by nfloyd77
I really like the design of your strong back. What kind and size of plywood did you use? How tall are the long sides? Are there double layers of ply along the sides?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:40 pm
by Bogieman
8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:17 am
by Aripeka Angler
nfloyd77 wrote: Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:44 pm I really like the design of your strong back. What kind and size of plywood did you use? How tall are the long sides? Are there double layers of ply along the sides?
Hi Nfloyd,
Welcome to the forum!
My son and I were in Lake City doing some deer killing, hence the slow reply.
The strong back is made of a good grade of 3/4” radiata pine plywood. The stringers are only one layer of plywood but they are doubled at the seams. The scabs at the seams as well as the stringers are cut laser straight with a cnc beam saw. The way it’s put together keeps it from twisting and getting crooked.
I built plywood risers attached to the strong back at each bulkhead to keep the hull dimensionally correct as I glassed it.
I’ll have to get back to you on the height of the jig’s stringers. If you are building your jig from ply, taller stringers are better. They will resist warping better and stay straighter. I’m trying to give this strong back away but I think it’s too much of a drive for you to pick up.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:34 am
by Aripeka Angler
wegcagle wrote: Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:28 pm Looks great! I love the moment paint (and Kiwigrip) go on! Nothing better than hearing people say, “wait...you built that?!?” 8)

I’m interested why you put the battery switch in the bow? Are you storing all the batteries up there? Or is that for a trolling motor?

Will
Thanks Will! Sorry, the page rolled over and I missed your questions. :oops:
The battery is indeed in the bow, trying to keep the weight forward so she is not stern heavy.
The reason for the battery is to operate the hydraulic jack plate and nav lights.
No plans for a trolling motor at this time.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:37 am
by Larry B
If I was looking for a strong back like this one and was going to have to build one, I'd drive 200 miles easy to pick up one AA had made. You could not come close to building one for the cost of fuel. Material would cost more plus labor, not to mention AA quality :D

AA, boat looks great, you did a fine job on her as usual.

Larry B.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:59 am
by nfloyd77
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:17 am Hi Nfloyd,
Welcome to the forum!
My son and I were in Lake City doing some deer killing, hence the slow reply.
The strong back is made of a good grade of 3/4” radiata pine plywood. The stringers are only one layer of plywood but they are doubled at the seams. The scabs at the seams as well as the stringers are cut laser straight with a cnc beam saw. The way it’s put together keeps it from twisting and getting crooked.
I built plywood risers attached to the strong back at each bulkhead to keep the hull dimensionally correct as I glassed it.
I’ll have to get back to you on the height of the jig’s stringers. If you are building your jig from ply, taller stringers are better. They will resist warping better and stay straighter. I’m trying to give this strong back away but I think it’s too much of a drive for you to pick up.
AA,
Thanks for the info. I actually am interested in the strongback. I can be in Dade City in about 3 hours. I think the drive would be worth it and I'd like to pick your brain a little about some other things while there. I am going to build an LM18 but I think it will still work.
I assumed it had already found a new home so I was going to build one from birch ply since that's the best I can get at a reasonable price but birch ply from HD is not as good as what you used. I already drew it up in Autocad with the stringers at 12".
How long and wide is the strongback? What would you estimate its weight to be?
Thanks!
Nathan

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:14 am
by Aripeka Angler
Hi Nathan,
I’m not at the shop right now to measure the strongback.
It’s between 15’ and 16’ long and weighs less than 150lbs. It’s around 16” wide and a foot or so tall.
I could bring it up to Lake City next time I go hunting, or you can pick it up here.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:05 am
by nfloyd77
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:14 am Hi Nathan,
I’m not at the shop right now to measure the strongback.
It’s between 15’ and 16’ long and weighs less than 150lbs. It’s around 16” wide and a foot or so tall.
I could bring it up to Lake City next time I go hunting, or you can pick it up here.
That's good enough. Don't worry about measuring it. I sent you a pm to discuss availability for pickup.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:21 am
by Aripeka Angler
Reply sent... :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:53 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Larry B wrote: Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:37 am If I was looking for a strong back like this one and was going to have to build one, I'd drive 200 miles easy to pick up one AA had made. You could not come close to building one for the cost of fuel. Material would cost more plus labor, not to mention AA quality :D

AA, boat looks great, you did a fine job on her as usual.

Larry B.
My eyes are getting bad.
Missed your post Larry, I appreciate the kind words. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:09 pm
by Fuzz
Well.............................................................update :doh:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:18 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Update...
Just getting caught up after being covered up at work for 14 months.
My son Harrison and I have been hunting pretty steady for the last few weeks.
He recently joined the family business and has been a great help for me.
He killed 2 deer last week including this 9 point.
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On the boat front, I put on the second to the last coat of paint on the topside last night.
Give me a few days and I’ll post some pics.
Have a great Thanksgiving my friend... :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 9:32 pm
by cape man
Like I said...Sweet!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 10:06 pm
by Fuzz
Good to hear Harrison has agreed to give the "old man" some help. I am sure it is nice to be able to work with your son.
Nice looking buck :!: Not sure if there is enough glass on that rifle though :doh: Might only have enough for a 500 yard shot :roll:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 12:31 am
by TomW1
Ricard nice looking buck with Harrison. A little surprised to hear he has joined the family business with his education thought he might join cape man. :D But I am sure you are happy to have him with you and you will teach him all your skills and he will learn the business over the next few years.

Happy Thanksgiving and hope your family is well

Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:39 am
by Eric1
Excellent news Richard! I'm happy you will have some reliable help.
Congrats on that buck!! Happy Thanksgiving my Friend! :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:30 am
by Jeff
AA, great news on Harrison joining the business and the nice kills as well!! Happy Thanksgiving to all!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 7:15 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Jeff, Tom, Eric, Craig and Fuzz for the nice replies. :D
Got the last coat of paint on the sole and interior hull side panels today. Very happy with the paint.
I plan to work on her more over the holiday weekend, will post some pics...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:15 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Doing the accent painting on the sole and topside prior to taping those areas off and applying the kiwigrip.

Also, starting to put back on the deck hardware, trim tabs, jacplate, etc. Hope to do the kiwi tomorrow or Sunday.

Promised pics...


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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:46 pm
by Capt UB
Damn that's a pretty boat! Great job..... Nice shop too!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:19 pm
by Jeff
Beautiful work AA!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:34 pm
by Eric1
Very Nice indeed! :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 6:55 pm
by nfloyd77
Top notch! 8) Does he have a motor for it yet?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:06 pm
by OrangeQuest
Sweet!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 7:34 pm
by glossieblack
The end of the master class approaches. What a wonderfully interesting bare bones build. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:08 am
by cape man
Oh Hell yes! I want a ride!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:56 am
by gonandkarl
What a beauty I would love a ride with it in Homosassa.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 7:12 am
by topwater
That will be a Hand Turkey fish killing machine 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 11:40 am
by jacquesmm
Amazing finish.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:46 pm
by Dougster
Just checked the forum and gotta chime in. Beautiful boat, don't know how you do it.

Dougster

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:13 pm
by Fuzz
As has been said simply amazing finish work.

If that is a bare bones build I wonder what a fancy build would look like. 8O

I am betting Harrison is ready to go slay some fish on that beauty. Make sure he takes lots of pictures for us :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:53 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Wow!!! Thank you Bob, Jeff, Eric, OQ, Michael, Craig, John, Doug and David for the nice comments!

Nathan, thank you. We do have an outboard. It’s a 15hp Mercury. Ultimately, this boat will get a 25hp lightweight 4 stroke Yamaha.

Hi Karl, for sure would love to see you at another meet over here some day. You are welcome on my boat anytime!!!

Jacques, thanks for the nice comment! Hope you are doing well!

Hit it pretty hard today, the finish line is in sight!

The first couple of pics are of taping off of the finished paint. I roughed up the shiny ares with 80 grit after I took the pics...

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That’s it for tonight... :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:56 pm
by TomW1
An outstanding example of the kind of work you put out. "Bare Bones" is just a name and not really appropriate for this beauty.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:14 pm
by Fuzz
What are you doing for prep before laying down the Kiwi Grip? And do you have any trick for making it easier to clean? It is going to be interesting to compare her with the two different motors.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:27 pm
by Jeff
Beautiful work AA, really first class!! The wait was worth it!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:41 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:14 pm What are you doing for prep before laying down the Kiwi Grip? And do you have any trick for making it easier to clean? It is going to be interesting to compare her with the two different motors.
I hand sanded the area that got the kiwigrip with 80 grit sandpaper. Cleaned the sanded surface with solvent.
On Red Alert, I clean the kiwi with a half gallon of chlorine bleach. Leave it out in the sun after dousing her with bleach.
Clean as a whistle...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:56 am
by glossieblack
Neat bleach, or diluted?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:38 am
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:56 am Neat bleach, or diluted?
Sorry, I left out important details.
The bleach is diluted 50/50 with water.
I prefer Chlorox outdoor cleaning bleach, it has a little bit of soap added.
The trick is to give the deck a bleach bath and let it sit in the sun for a few minutes before rinsing.
It’s also important to let kiwigrip totally cure before torturing it with bleach, petroleum, fish guts and dirt.
I’m not going to claim to know exactly how long, but 4 weeks should do the trick. It’s pretty tender until it fully cures.
I installed kiwigrip on my son’s GF12 and on my XF20. Both held up well...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:36 am
by pee wee
That's turned out so well- looks slick like a factory boat but built so much better! Nice attention to detail, too. 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:35 pm
by Fuzz
I think the real hint here is letting the Kiwigrip cure for 4 weeks in warm weather before using the boat. I have been less than impressed with my kiwigrip but the problem could be it was not fully cured before I started using the boat.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 2:41 pm
by Capt UB
I see you got the SLT6.

They do have some adjustment, I would sometimes leave the pin in, when not needing the extra bow down help. Also, had lighter springs actuators sent to me. Put a wire tie around the pin and actuator so it doesn't pop out...

I did have some problems with hard turns with them in full mode! Let me know.

Bob

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:07 pm
by Jaysen
Fuzz wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 1:35 pm I think the real hint here is letting the Kiwigrip cure for 4 weeks in warm weather before using the boat. I have been less than impressed with my kiwigrip but the problem could be it was not fully cured before I started using the boat.
For you that means setting the boat on fire to get the temp high enough to cure.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:36 pm
by Aripeka Angler
pee wee wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 9:36 am That's turned out so well- looks slick like a factory boat but built so much better! Nice attention to detail, too. 8)
I appreciate the nice compliments Hank. 8)

Bob, I’ll let you know how the spring loaded trim tabs work. Kinda curious myself.
Jaysen wrote: Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:07 pm For you that means setting the boat on fire to get the temp high enough to cure.
That’s hilarious. :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:45 pm
by Aripeka Angler
We rigged some more today.
Mounted the hatches, the aforementioned tee nuts worked as slick as owl poop. Need to post a picture, it’s amazing how tight you can crank down the bolts. Figured I would mount the latches, lifting rings, etc before removing and painting the hatches.
Today’s pics...
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:07 pm
by glossieblack
8) 8) 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2018 6:25 pm
by Jeff
Again, really nice work AA!! Beautiful FS18!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:52 am
by icelikkilinc
Great work Richard, that's gonna be a slick fishing machine

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2018 6:04 am
by cape man
Love those lights!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:29 am
by TomW1
Richard that is one outstanding boat.'

Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:37 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Michael, Jeff, Ilker, Craig and Tom. :D
5200hundered, that’s a new word, the jackplate to the transom today. Mostly because the lower bolts will be under water nearly all the time.
Got a stainless ratchet strap for the battery, push pole mounts, and the rigging tube for the motor coming.
My motor and prop guy is working on a new prop and he is tuning up the Mercury motor.
Hauled out the old man today (Pursuit) for some serious motor service.
Tinkered a little on the old XF today.
Tomorrow will be my last day of serious work in 2018.
Plan to slow down and enjoy life a little more for the next month...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:47 pm
by Fuzz
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:37 pm Hauled out the old man today (Pursuit) for some serious motor service.
Tinkered a little on the old XF today.
Tomorrow will be my last day of serious work in 2018.
Plan to slow down and enjoy life a little more for the next month...
What I thought them Yamaha’s never needed work, they just serviced themselves :lol:

Be very careful taking that much time off..........you might decide you like it. You might even end up like me and learn you are better at retirement than anything else you have ever done :wink: :roll:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:09 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Getting close.


Got the hatches painted, on and coated with kiwigrip.


Push pole on, jack plate wired up.


Got a nice stainless steel battery tie down installed.


Picking up the tuned up Mercury tomorrow.


Still have a few thing to do before the splash.


Today’s pics...

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Stainless steel hatch hinge tee nuts for anyone interested.


They will not pullout like wood screws do...

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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:27 pm
by glossieblack
Very nice Richard, she's looking pretty as.

Is the interior a slightly darker colour than the exterior?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:31 am
by cape man
Damn dude! Too clean! Upping the bar again.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:54 am
by Browndog
Looking good!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:45 am
by Dougster
No way I'd put that pretty thing in the water. Might get mud on it or something 8O
That's furniture, move into the living room :D

Dougster

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:02 am
by piperdown
Where did you get the t-nuts? I've only seen the ones that have the base cut at 3-4 locations and bent up 90 degrees into points to grab into the base material.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:53 pm
by txjm
piperdown wrote: Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:02 am Where did you get the t-nuts? I've only seen the ones that have the base cut at 3-4 locations and bent up 90 degrees into points to grab into the base material.
Try McMaster Carr. Search for weld nuts. They have lots of variety. some of the obround shaped ones might even do better than the round.
Chip

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:38 pm
by Fuzz
I bet Harrison is READY to take that beauty out and see what she can do :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:00 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thank you Doug, Jordy, Craig and David. :D

GB, keen eye. The bilge is EZ bilge dark gray, Pettit brand if I remember correctly.

The tee nuts I bought on amazon.

I can’t stress how great they work. Pic of the vendor page...
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:41 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Almost done. Splashing next weekend.
Motor on and wired up.
Lockable hatch rings installed. Very, very happy with the quality of this hardware.
All that’s left is a little touch up, caulking in the grab bar and the forward casting platform.
Jeff also sent me a sample of nice looking rub rail, will probably go with it.
We pulled “Bare Bones” out into the light for the first time today. :D
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That’s it for today...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:05 pm
by glossieblack
8) 8) 8) :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:55 pm
by BarraMan
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:00 pm The tee nuts I bought on amazon.
I can’t stress how great they work. Pic of the vendor page...
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Great idea AA, but a bit late! Where were you when I was building hatches?? :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:12 pm
by seaslug
Haven't been on the forum much lately, but just have to compliment you on such a beautiful build. Better get to the boat ramp very early, and very dark, because you'll have a hard time getting away from the dock with all the gawkers coming over to talk and check it out. Will you be putting a poling platform on the boat at some point? Now lets see some fish pics posted. Well done Richard. I'm looking forward to seeing you and the boat at our next get together. Mike

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:38 pm
by Larry B
Very Nice AA, you did a great job as usual :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:47 pm
by Rtorres2411
Amazing looking boat. 8O

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:33 am
by icelikkilinc
Sweeeetttt... :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:43 am
by ctbeutel
Wow, That is a really nice looking FS18!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 am
by jacquesmm
Pretty. Congratulations.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:01 am
by wegcagle
Absolutely beautiful Richard! Congrats on completing another one 😄

Will

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:35 am
by cape man
What they said...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:36 am
by Jeff
Nice Richard, really well done again!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:39 pm
by Aripeka Angler
BarraMan wrote: Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:55 pm Great idea AA, but a bit late! Where were you when I was building hatches?? :D
I can’t be everywhere, let alone Australia. :lol:
Wish I had thought of the concept years ago, it really does work great.

To all of you guys who have commented and posted with kind words of encouragement, a big thank you. 8)
Today my son registered the boat and trailer.
We will post some pics very soon of the casting decks and the splash of “Bare Bones”...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:22 am
by willg
She's a beauty!

I like the shop, too.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:16 am
by Jeff
AA, I really like your paint on the FS18!! Is that EMC or AwlGrip paint? Again, really nice build!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:19 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Jeff wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:16 am AA, I really like your paint on the FS18!! Is that EMC or AwlGrip paint? Again, really nice build!! Jeff
Thank you Jeff! The paint is EMC, fought with it a little early on. In the end, it turned out nice.

WillG, great to hear from you and thanks for the nice compliment. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:38 pm
by Fuzz
willg wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:22 am She's a beauty!

I like the shop, too.
Not only is the shop nice but he has some REALLY neat tools in there too :wink:
I am not normally the jealous type but his cnc set up and the vac system could test a boat building saint :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:38 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:38 pm
willg wrote: Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:22 am She's a beauty!

I like the shop, too.
Not only is the shop nice but he has some REALLY neat tools in there too :wink:
I am not normally the jealous type but his cnc set up and the vac system could test a boat building saint :D
What you need is a winter place down here.
I would be happy to share some room in the shop so you could build a boat. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:22 pm
by Fuzz
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:38 pm
What you need is a winter place down here.
I would be happy to share some room in the shop so you could build a boat. :D

Damn what an offer 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:38 pm
by Capt UB
Richard,

I'm tring to wrap my head around installing the deck.

I see you glassed over the deck and rub rail. What else did you do to install the deck to the hull?

I was getting the idea you only need to glue the deck to the frames and battens.

Thanks,
Bob.
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:16 pm
by jacquesmm
Capt UB wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:38 pm

I was getting the idea you only need to glue the deck to the frames and battens.
Correct that is enough but the rubrail and the breasthooks are places where you get the opportunity to make it pretty by playing with different wood colors and varnish.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:47 pm
by Capt UB
jacquesmm wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:16 pm
Capt UB wrote: Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:38 pm

I was getting the idea you only need to glue the deck to the frames and battens.
Correct that is enough but the rubrail and the breasthooks are places where you get the opportunity to make it pretty by playing with different wood colors and varnish.


Thank you JM.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:49 am
by Aripeka Angler
Hi Bob,
The screw holes are left over from snugging down the deck to the batten strips when I was gluing down the deck and gunwales.
I removed the screws and filled the holes prior to glassing.
The strip that the decks sit on is continuous all the way around the boat.
It is interrupted only at the unions to the bulkheads.
I’m not a big fan of the little 2-3” long chunks of wood to glue decks to. To me it’s an invitation to cracks...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:06 am
by seaslug
I agree with Richard on the cleats. If you have a table saw why bother with all those little pieces? I ripped down clear Fir on an angle, approximately 20 degrees, and used 2 lengths per side notched into the bulkheads. If I had 18' material I would have gone the full length. Notched into the bulk heads they barely need clamps.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:46 am
by Capt UB
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:49 am Hi Bob,
The screw holes are left over from snugging down the deck to the batten strips when I was gluing down the deck and gunwales.
I removed the screws and filled the holes prior to glassing.
The strip that the decks sit on is continuous all the way around the boat.
It is interrupted only at the unions to the bulkheads.
I’m not a big fan of the little 2-3” long chunks of wood to glue decks to. To me it’s an invitation to cracks...

Richard and seaslug,

I had planned on installing a shear clamp (inwale) to glue down the deck. My deck will sit on top of the rub rail (glued). I will be installing a Tessilmare Rub Rail to protect the edge (deck) and wood rub rail.

Thanks again.... Bob.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:49 am
by Capt UB
seaslug wrote: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:06 am I agree with Richard on the cleats. If you have a table saw why bother with all those little pieces? I ripped down clear Fir on an angle, approximately 20 degrees, and used 2 lengths per side notched into the bulkheads. If I had 18' material I would have gone the full length. Notched into the bulk heads they barely need clamps.
seaslug,

Why Fir? I was/have been using pine on the other builds.

Thanks, Bob.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:52 am
by Aripeka Angler
Capt UB wrote: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:46 am Richard and seaslug,
I had planned on installing a shear clamp (inwale) to glue down the deck. My deck will sit on top of the rub rail (glued). I will be installing a Tessilmare Rub Rail to protect the edge (deck) and wood rub rail.
Thanks again.... Bob.
The advantage to gluing the deck inside the hull on a batten is you get two point gluing instead of one. Much better IMHO.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:42 pm
by seaslug
Hi Bob, There are a number of reasons why I use Fir as much as possible, first one of course is that I get it for free, salvaged from older homes I remodel. A good source of Fir for those that don't do remodel work is if you can find some old solid wood doors. I've found that every old solid wood exterior door from older homes have been Fir, and always free of knots, and tight grained and great to work with. Fir is also very light weight, takes epoxy well, and bends nicely. My next choice after Fir is Cedar for the same reasons, and I find that the 4x4 posts from the big box stores milled down to what you need works for me, although I get all of mine from remodel work. All of my hatch gutters are built using milled down 4x4's, coated with epoxy, than primed and painted with Awlgrip, with no need for glass.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 3:43 pm
by Aripeka Angler
That is nice work. 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:11 pm
by Capt UB
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:52 am
Capt UB wrote: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:46 am Richard and seaslug,
I had planned on installing a shear clamp (inwale) to glue down the deck. My deck will sit on top of the rub rail (glued). I will be installing a Tessilmare Rub Rail to protect the edge (deck) and wood rub rail.
Thanks again.... Bob.
The advantage to gluing the deck inside the hull on a batten is you get two point gluing instead of one. Much better IMHO.

Did you put the rub rail on after the flip?
Thanks
Bob

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:14 pm
by Capt UB
seaslug wrote: Sat Dec 15, 2018 12:42 pm Hi Bob, There are a number of reasons why I use Fir as much as possible, first one of course is that I get it for free, salvaged from older homes I remodel. A good source of Fir for those that don't do remodel work is if you can find some old solid wood doors. I've found that every old solid wood exterior door from older homes have been Fir, and always free of knots, and tight grained and great to work with. Fir is also very light weight, takes epoxy well, and bends nicely. My next choice after Fir is Cedar for the same reasons, and I find that the 4x4 posts from the big box stores milled down to what you need works for me, although I get all of mine from remodel work. All of my hatch gutters are built using milled down 4x4's, coated with epoxy, than primed and painted with Awlgrip, with no need for glass.
I do like cedar.... I'll take a look at the only lumber yard here in DeLand and see what they have. Maybe they can mill it too!

Thanks
Bob

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:47 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Capt UB wrote: Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:11 pm

Did you put the rub rail on after the flip?
Thanks
Bob
No, I put the rubrail on while the boat was bottom up.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:11 pm
by seaslug
Thanks for the compliment Richard. I did my rub rail after the flip. I wasn't sure where it needed to be until the flip because I cut the sheer down 3" aft to zero at the bow from the low sheer plan. I used a long batten clamped to the boat to get a visual before taking the circular saw to it, and that was only after shifting and moving the batten around for about 2 hours trying to get it right to my eye. Pretty scary making the final cut, but I'm happy with the result. I did all 3 of my builds the same way, and would do it again, because I like to look at the sheer line first to see if I like it. You do need to make sure to pull in the sides that will naturally sag without support, and temporarily hold them in with screws into the frames.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:16 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Very nice looking work Mike.
You are a one heck of a craftsman. 8)

Put some finishing touches on “Bare Bones” this weekend.
I didn’t take any pics but I have learned something I didn’t know about kiwigrip.
Kiwigrip works a lot better when it’s put on in multiple coats.
The first coat I put on with the loopy goopy roller. This left some bleed through of the color underneath.
In the past, when I tried to put kiwi on with one coat it ended up with a rough texture.
After the kiwi dried for a few days, I applied a second coat with a 1/8” short nap phenolic roller.
The cool part is the second coat covered up the bleed through and made the surface much less harsh.
The kiwi literally looks 100% better now than a week ago. May put a third coat on...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:29 pm
by Fuzz
If you can it would be nice to see pictures of both one and two coats. Is there any problem getting the second coat to stick to the first one?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 8:51 pm
by wegcagle
No problem with adherence on repeat coats (at least on my one boat). I did the same thing 2-3 years after the original coat of Kiwi. It was too rough for my kids to walk bare footed, so I cleaned it really well with soap and water, then used some denatured alcohol over the area (final clean and so it would dry quicker), and then put a couple coats of Kiwigrip on with 1/8” roller. It’s much smoother and feels better on the feet after a long day on the water.

Will

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:08 pm
by Fuzz
Thank you Will. The Kiwi Grip on my dory needs to be redone. It looks like crap now but it is 6 years old.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:19 am
by wegcagle
Also, I just double checked the website. It says defintiely clean with boat soap and water to remove oils prior to recoating. Also said don’t apply it in under 50F with over 75% humidity. Just an FYI. Good luck!

Will

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:28 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Will! Putting some additional kiwi on the big red boat today in anticipation of the relaunch. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 5:38 pm
by Aripeka Angler
It doesn’t take much to amuse me. :lol:

My son ordered some cool carbon fiber raised detail boat numbers and letters.
The numbers are delivered pre-spaced, aligned and ready for installation...
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Back side with the sticky barrier removed..

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On the boat...

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Close up pic...

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Getting close to a splash, weather has been interesting lately to say the least...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:02 pm
by Rtorres2411
Those raised numbers are a nice detail. Very cool looking boat 8)
Which website did your son got the numbers from ?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:45 pm
by OrangeQuest
Very nice looking numbers!
Was it the box or the backing on the numbers that was so tough you had to use the bolt cutters?
:) :)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:04 pm
by Aripeka Angler
OrangeQuest wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:45 pm Very nice looking numbers!
Was it the box or the backing on the numbers that was so tough you had to use the bolt cutters?
:) :)
:lol:
The bolt cutters were for mangling the trailer tag bolts.
Someone stole my tag a couple of years ago at a boat ramp in Miami. I live nowhere near there but I learn lessons from thieves.

Rtorres2411 wrote: Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:02 pm Those raised numbers are a nice detail. Very cool looking boat 8)
Which website did your son got the numbers from ?
Thank you!
Here is the Amazon store for the numbers...
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:13 pm
by Fuzz
Just another over the top detail on "Bare bones" :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:49 am
by Capt UB
An old friend did the carbon look on his rat car and his Gheenoe... Looks cool...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:12 pm
by BassMunn
Hey Richard those are cool looking stickers 8)

And your latest build is very nice, quality workmanship :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:46 pm
by Jeff
AA, very nice touch to a beautiful build!!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:49 pm
by cape man
Again...sweet!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 7:52 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks for the compliments David, Jeff, Shannon, Craig and Bob. :D

Tessilmare rubrail is on the truck for delivery tomorrow from Jeff and Reid. 8)

Looking forward to putting it on, will post pics.

Worked on some homemade Christmas gifts today for the gang.

Got help from Mrs. AA on the ones that weren’t hers and help from hand turkey on Mrs. AA’s gift. :lol:
The three of us worked together on the trunk...

Homemade jinga trunk and blocks for our daughter. The trunk is made entirely from leftover scrap maple...


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Reclaimed 120 year old cracker house window for Mrs AA’s studio...


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Hand made 16”X16” maple cutting boards for our grown kids...


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Sealing up the boards with food grade mineral oil. Gotta do it right at least the first time...


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Merry Christmas all!!! :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:41 pm
by OrangeQuest
Really nice looking wood work.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:25 pm
by wegcagle
That’s REALLY cool! Super work all the way around. Merry Christmas

Will

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:52 pm
by Aripeka Angler
OrangeQuest wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 8:41 pm Really nice looking wood work.
Thank you sir!
wegcagle wrote: Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:25 pm That’s REALLY cool! Super work all the way around. Merry Christmas

Will
Thank you Will! I hope you and your family had a great Christmas!
I’m a little slow on the replies, sorry about that.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:03 pm
by Aripeka Angler
The weather and the holidays have delayed the splash of “Bare Bones”.
We did get a nice Christmas Eve delivery of some Tessilmare rubrail from Reid and Jeff. :D
I wasn’t expecting such fast delivery at Christmas, but I’m also not surprised. One day, no problem. 8)
Their shipping is the best anywhere, thank you!
Will post some pics of the rubrail installed on the boat in a couple of days.
We also got the red paint today for the rebuild of “Red Alert”.
Again, super fast delivery. Hoping for a re-launch of Red in two weeks...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:10 pm
by TomW1
Really fine looking work Richard. Sorry for the late reply been under the weather.

Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:05 am
by Fuzz
Richard do me a favour and show your install in detail...........please :D I will be installing some this winter and I have never done it before.
Looking forward to seeing the launch of Bare Bones and big Red also.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:45 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:05 am Richard do me a favour and show your install in detail...........please :D I will be installing some this winter and I have never done it before.
Looking forward to seeing the launch of Bare Bones and big Red also.
Will do.
The pita part will not be the installation, I have that figured out...
Putting on the rubrail and then removing it is the part I’m not looking forward to...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:59 am
by cape man
Sweet gifts!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:16 am
by Jeff
AA, thank you for the kind words!!! I am confident you will love the rub rail, really nice stuff!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:15 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Jeff and Craig!
Tom, I hope you heal up quick from what is ailing you.

Got a little closer to a double splash today...

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This batch of red EMC worked fantastic.
That’s it for today. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:25 pm
by cape man
That's RED!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:19 am
by topwater
Richard If you launch both boats at the same time it will look like an aircraft carrier and a destroyer
running together 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:50 pm
by Fuzz
Red Alert looked real good last year. She must be gleaming now. Dang you do nice work.
Looking at your trailer bunks are they solid wood with starboard on the top?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:45 pm
by Jeff
Nice AA, really well done!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:48 pm
by TomW1
Richard the EMC and rub rail looks really nice. I am over my funk finally took a train ride/wine tasting lunch today.

Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:39 pm
by wegcagle
Fantastic Richard. Red Alert looks brand new! How’s the EMC compare to Sterling?

Will

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:48 am
by jacquesmm
A beautiful paint job, the boat looks brand new.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:55 am
by fallguy1000
I want to call my boat redfin, I think.

So, that red paint....is it stock color?

I am trying to decide on bottom paint...originally considered a red to the first chine..

I might paint a simple red band on the hull sides around the port windows and make the rest white.

Sure is nice looking.

Is there a subtle rip on emc?
Did you r&t or spray?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 5:40 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Tom, I am a little under the weather myself.
Fuzz wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:50 pm Looking at your trailer bunks are they solid wood with starboard on the top?
Yes sir, the bunks are two layers of 2x8 lumber. The 3/4” starboard is screwed down to the top of the bunks with countersunk galvanized lags.
wegcagle wrote: Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:39 pm Fantastic Richard. Red Alert looks brand new! How’s the EMC compare to Sterling?
Will
Thanks Will, I’ll answer the paint question in a separate post.

Thank you Jeff and Jacques!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:13 pm
by Aripeka Angler
fallguy1000 wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:55 am I want to call my boat redfin, I think.

So, that red paint....is it stock color?

I am trying to decide on bottom paint...originally considered a red to the first chine..

I might paint a simple red band on the hull sides around the port windows and make the rest white.

Sure is nice looking.

Is there a subtle rip on emc?
Did you r&t or spray?
Thank you!
Redfin sounds like a great name!
The paint color is EMC “Sunfast Red”. It is a stock color.
I think I understand the subtle rip question.
I try not to dog the products that our forum host sells.
I do like Sterling. Used it on three boat paint jobs. It roll and tips much better than EMC.
The Sterling company is also hard to deal with. It’s almost as if they don’t care if they sell paint.
Spraying, not much difference between the two.
I would have sprayed the red boat but there was too much crap to cover up or remove.
Bare bones paint was sprayed.
We plan to buff both boats out when we slow down a little bit...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:06 am
by Fuzz
Ok I just gotta ask. What's up with the birthday today and it showing it to be number 21 :doh:
If it is in fact your birthday congratulations and have a great day 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:33 am
by Jeff
AA, Happy Birthday to you!!! Hope you have a great day!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:38 am
by OrangeQuest
Happy Birthday!!! :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:12 am
by Capt UB
Feeling your pain. 8)
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:18 am
by wegcagle
Happy Birthday Richard :!: Hope you have a good one. Do some fishing and enjoy a few homebrews

Will

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:14 pm
by TomW1
Happy birthday Richard. Hope you have a good one.

Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:16 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:06 am Ok I just gotta ask. What's up with the birthday today and it showing it to be number 21 :doh:
If it is in fact your birthday congratulations and have a great day 8)
I woke up feeling like I was 21, then I realized it was just a dream. :lol:
Thank you all for the birthday wishes. :D
Took the day off, went to Bass Pro and bought some needed stuff for our end of the month boat splash.
Just chilled down a bottle of 1998 Amarone and settled in to watch the sunset. Nice view except for the power lines...
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 7:27 pm
by Jeff
Beautiful Florida sunset!!! Enjoy the evening!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:39 pm
by Fuzz
Hey it was pretty nice of Sandy to present you with a Handturkey a few years ago for your birthday :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 5:48 am
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:39 pm Hey it was pretty nice of Sandy to present you with a Handturkey a few years ago for your birthday :lol:
For sure!! My daughter was also born a week and a few years earlier.
Kind of stretches Christmas to a two week affair. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 6:06 am
by cape man
You're catching up...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 1:42 pm
by Joe H
Hey Richard, sorry, late to the party as usual!
Happy Birthday!
Joe & Janet.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 6:12 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Joe. You need to get down here to visit and escape the snow. :D

Not “Bare Bones” but a step closer to a double splash.

It’s still alive. :lol:
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:02 pm
by Fuzz
Dang that is one nice looking boat :!:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:59 am
by glossieblack
I just love the way that Bare Bones and Red Alert are bare bones. 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:36 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Sat Jan 12, 2019 8:02 pm Dang that is one nice looking boat :!:
Thank you Fuzz. :D You should be down here right now.
Beautiful weather! I can’t say that often, it’s usually way too hot here.
I’d be happy to throw you the boat keys and the fishing shack is wide open.
glossieblack wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 2:59 am I just love the way that Bare Bones and Red Alert are bare bones. 8)
Thank you sir! Always happy when a great builder like yourself weighs in on my thread. :D
Packing for the splash, it will happen in about 10 days...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:54 pm
by Joe H
Thanks Joe. You need to get down here to visit and escape the snow. :D
We need to is soooo right Richard!
We went from this"
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To this:

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Joe H

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:21 pm
by Fuzz
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sun Jan 13, 2019 10:36 pm Thank you Fuzz. :D You should be down here right now.
Beautiful weather! I can’t say that often, it’s usually way too hot here.
I’d be happy to throw you the boat keys and the fishing shack is wide open.
You are killing me. If you only knew...........................

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:47 am
by icelikkilinc
that girl looks hot in red, I like it :)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 10:31 am
by Jeff
AA, very nice paint!! She looks great!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:00 am
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Jeff and Ilker!
I’m still tricking out the old red boat getting her ready for a week of fishing.
Installed a new trolling 24 volt battery pan and heavier wiring for a new trolling motor.
I like this motor much better than my old 12 volt great white.
Glass and paint on the trolling motor wedge will have to wait.
I sure make a mess when I’m working. :lol:
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 7:12 am
by topwater
Nice :!:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:33 am
by icelikkilinc
I work the same but I call it controlled chaos😁😁

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:56 pm
by OrangeQuest
A cart on wheels and a few drawers will help keep the tools within reach and off the boat. So I have heard! :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 4:50 pm
by Jeff
Nice trolling motor AA!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:10 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks guys!
OrangeQuest wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:56 pm A cart on wheels and a few drawers will help keep the tools within reach and off the boat. So I have heard! :wink:
The cart was on the other side of the boat. :lol:
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:42 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Finished up some odds and ends on “Bare Bones” today.
Mounted the anchor light on top of the motor cowling, installed the horn under the front hatch and put on the Tessilmare rubrail.
Fuzz wanted some pics, so here you go...

The rubrail comes with a rigid base that is screwed to the boat. I put the base on with low profile pan head screws every 8 inches or so.
If the base isn’t tight to the boat, the outer rubber will have gaps. If you rap the base with your knuckles and it sounds loose, add more screws.

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Once the base is on the boat, the flexible outer layer goes on. By bending the heck out of the rail, this widens the inside flaps to allow the rubber to
glide onto the rigid base.

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The rigid base is pretty mean to handle alone, a couple of spring clamps makes an instant second man.


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Reid warned me that the end caps won’t fit properly.


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Nothing that a flat belt sander won’t cure in a flash...


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Finally, I rolled her out into the evening light for a couple of pics...

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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:03 pm
by OrangeQuest
Aripeka Angler wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 6:10 pm Thanks guys!
OrangeQuest wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:56 pm A cart on wheels and a few drawers will help keep the tools within reach and off the boat. So I have heard! :wink:
The cart was on the other side of the boat. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol:
That looks big enough to be a work bench on wheels!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:17 pm
by OrangeQuest
That is one beautiful boat!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:08 am
by Aripeka Angler
OrangeQuest wrote: Sat Jan 19, 2019 9:17 pm That is one beautiful boat!
Thank you, appreciate the compliment. :D

I have to say, Reid and Jeff were 100% spot on with their recommendation of their Tessilmare rubrail.
It was easy to install and bent well around the bow of the boat.
I plan to trim the small pucker at the lower side of the bow rubrail when I launch the boat.
Also, will pull the entire assembly off and overdrill and fill the screw holes.
I’m totally satisfied with this product and wouldn’t hesitate to recommend or buy it again. 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 7:55 am
by seaslug
Richard, both of your boats are beautifully done. Hope to see both you and your boats at our next Bateau get together. If you're going to pole the FS18 I'd suggest a 21' push pole, but no shorter. I highly recommend one of the super light and stiff poles like a Stiffy Guide or similar. Now we need to see some fishy pics posted. Nice work. Mike

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2019 12:46 pm
by Capt UB
There is nothing like the clean look of a lite color boat. Going to do the same on the LM18. Beautiful work!
Bob

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:11 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thank you Mike and Bob for the nice compliments!
Mike, indeed the push pole is a little short for this boat.
I bought it from Chopperman who is a forum member from Deltona.
My son used it on the gf12. We will upgrade when he puts on a poling platform.
Tomorrow is the day of the splash if all goes well...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 12:04 am
by TomW1
Richard you have put a lot of work into both your boats and they are very fine looking and fishing ones. Take pride in what you have you have done and enjoy both of them over the next few years. They will last you and your son a long time. God bless. Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:49 am
by Capt UB
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:11 pm Thank you Mike and Bob for the nice compliments!
Mike, indeed the push pole is a little short for this boat.
I bought it from Chopperman who is a forum member from Deltona.
My son used it on the gf12. We will upgrade when he puts on a poling platform.
Tomorrow is the day of the splash if all goes well...


This is were I bought my first "NEW" push pole. I bought a fiberglass one for the NMZ Gheenoe I got a few years ago, they did me right onw the price.
http://centralfloridamarine.com/push-poles/

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:53 am
by Eric1
I hope you have a great splash! :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:04 am
by BrianC
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 8:11 pm ...indeed the push pole is a little short for this boat...We will upgrade when he puts on a poling platform...
Here is a great source of parts if you want to build the push pole yourself: https://mgs4u.com/fiberglass-push-poles/

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:58 pm
by Aripeka Angler
We splashed “Bones” today.
Took a bunch of photos.
Tap on the attachment of the below photo to expand the image. Note the height of the self draining and pluggable thru hull fitting. This is with a 195 lb man and a heavy four stroke on the boat.
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To say I’m tickled would be an understatement.
I will post more pics as we plan for our trip next week to the Everglades National Park.
We came back in after the splash with the used 15 hp Mercury and ordered a brand new lightweight F25 Yamaha. Will get it day after tomorrow.
The boat road very well.
Stay tuned for more photos...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:00 pm
by wegcagle
Congrats!!! She looks amazing! Can't wait to see some blood now

Will

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:50 pm
by cvincent
Your boat looks fantastic! Congrats.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:57 pm
by OrangeQuest
Looks really good on the water.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:07 pm
by jacquesmm
Congratulations.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:15 pm
by glossieblack
Lovely. 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:57 pm
by cape man
Good job buddy! That 25 will be too sweet!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:43 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks for the splash congratulations guys! :D
Hanging tight at the fishing shack, the dealer is putting us on a new motor in the morning!
The was price was great, MSRP is $4,200 US dollars.
We ended up paying $2,858.59 plus 7% sales tax.
Heck of a deal for a brand new 4 stroke 25 hp Yamaha with a full 5 year warranty.
Stay tuned for more splash pics tomorrow...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:56 pm
by OrangeQuest
Sweet deal for a sweet boat!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:40 am
by icelikkilinc
Looking lovely :wink:
Great price on the fishing machine Richard, looking forward to the engine-boat combo pics

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:25 am
by Capt UB
Aripeka Angler wrote: Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:58 pm We splashed “Bones” today.
Took a bunch of photos.
Tap on the attachment of the below photo to expand the image. Note the height of the self draining and pluggable thru hull fitting. This is with a 195 lb man and a heavy four stroke on the boat.
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To say I’m tickled would be an understatement.
I will post more pics as we plan for our trip next week to the Everglades National Park.
We came back in after the splash with the used 15 hp Mercury and ordered a brand new lightweight F25 Yamaha. Will get it day after tomorrow.
The boat road very well.
Stay tuned for more photos...
Sweet!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:51 am
by Jeff
Nice AA!! Beautiful work!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:04 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Bob, Jeff, Ilker and OQ. 8)

Got an early start today, here are some shots of the new motor.
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And a quick shot underway.

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Mostly putted around and broke the motor in.
We did open her up for a couple of minutes, 3/4 throttle with my son and I onboard.
The gps on my phone said 30 mph and there was PLENTY of throttle left.
I bet when the ss prop arrives “Bare Bones” will run 40 with one person aboard.
Was taking a video at high speed and lost my Costa’s overboard. :lol:
Edit, Also forgot to mention that the $2,800 dollar basic model was supposed to only have a pull start.
The dang thing ended up having an alternator and an electric start.
Glad we prewired the boat for a future electric start.
The starter is working perfectly and the battery charging...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:55 pm
by OrangeQuest
Other than losing the glasses that is all good news! Guessing the battery was already big enough to be used as a starter battery too?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:26 pm
by Jeff
Nice AA!! We will call you. in a few weeks as we plan to also buy the same Yamaha 25 that you purchased for the FS18 Reid is building!!! Hard to beat a Yamaha!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:42 pm
by wegcagle
Sweet!!! That motor is beautiful! Fits perfect on Bare Bones

Will

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:13 pm
by Fuzz
Thanks for showing the rubrail install AA :D
BareBones looks great but that is no surprise to me. And the Handturkey looks right at home in her :wink:

Not sure what to think of 40 mph in a boat that small :help: But I know a couple people who will have fun with it.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:14 pm
by Aripeka Angler
OrangeQuest wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:55 pm Other than losing the glasses that is all good news! Guessing the battery was already big enough to be used as a starter battery too?
Yes sir, it was all good. A great day! :D
The battery is a lightweight and high quality AGM sport battery. Typically like you would put in a nice sport bike.
The wiring from the battery in the bow to the stern was designed with an electric starter in mind. Little did we know that we would get a nice motor this quickly...
Jeff wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:26 pm Nice AA!! We will call you. in a few weeks as we plan to also buy the same Yamaha 25 that you purchased for the FS18 Reid is building!!! Hard to beat a Yamaha!! Jeff
Call me tomorrow. The promo 5 year warranty is aging as well as the $300 instant rebate.
wegcagle wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:42 pm Sweet!!! That motor is beautiful! Fits perfect on Bare Bones

Will
Thanks Will! Always great to hear from you. If you get down this way again, give me a holler and we will go fishing.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:16 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:13 pm Thanks for showing the rubrail install AA :D
BareBones looks great but that is no surprise to me. And the Handturkey looks right at home in her :wink:

Not sure what to think of 40 mph in a boat that small :help: But I know a couple people who will have fun with it.
David, you won’t have any problem whatsoever with the Tessilmare rubrail. It’s easy to install.
As for 40 mph, I want to get Jacques on this boat. :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:20 pm
by cape man
Oh Hell yes!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:16 am
by glossieblack
Richard, I've just spent the past couple of hours enjoying a jaunt down memory lane, re-reading your wonderfully detailed build thread from start to finish.

What a boat you've built - Bare Bones is a triumph! 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:23 am
by Capt UB
How are the trim tabs working out? I think I told you I had the same ones and had the springs in the actuators changed for free from Bennett. Any videos of her running?
Girlfriend asked me about a Bimini top for the LM18! We were looking at your boat! I told her only on the FS14 will I put one on! She burns easily...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:37 am
by Joe H
Hey Richard,
Craig said it best “Oh Hell Yes!”
Glad you can enjoy your hard and beautiful work with Hand Turkey and family!
And what a deal on that Yamaha!
Tell Sandy we said Hi!
Freezing in Fair Haven
Joe & Janet

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:10 am
by icelikkilinc
Aripeka Angler wrote: Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:14 pm
The battery is a lightweight and high quality AGM sport battery. Typically like you would put in a nice sport bike.
The wiring from the battery in the bow to the stern was designed with an electric starter in mind. Little did we know that we would get a nice motor this quickly...
Hey Richard, wow, that must be a good battery for size to have enough current on nearly 16 feet between the battery and starter motor to satisfy the current requirement.
Engine looks great on the boat, hell of a deal.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:41 am
by Bogieman
8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:23 pm
by Fair WX Pilot
Congratulations on the splash. I have loved following your build. Not sure I would have the bottle to open the throttle on a 40mph boat :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:56 pm
by Rtorres2411
Great looking boat 8) enjoy and catch some fish in it.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:32 pm
by Jeff
Thank you for the call today AA!! Much appreciated information!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:48 pm
by NavyBuilder13
Just cruised through your build and makes me want to go ahead and build a FS18. Awesome build and great results. Well done..

Frank

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 7:54 pm
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:16 am Richard, I've just spent the past couple of hours enjoying a jaunt down memory lane, re-reading your wonderfully detailed build thread from start to finish.

What a boat you've built - Bare Bones is a triumph! 8)
Awesome, appreciate the nice words but I learn from the best. :wink:
Capt UB wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:23 am How are the trim tabs working out? I think I told you I had the same ones and had the springs in the actuators changed for free from Bennett. Any videos of her running?
Girlfriend asked me about a Bimini top for the LM18! We were looking at your boat! I told her only on the FS14 will I put one on! She burns easily...
Captain, we haven’t put the tabs down yet. I get the feeling there is a benefit to be had even in the neutral position.
This boat rides flat, absolutely no bow rise.
Getting ready to head down to Cape Sable on Sunday.
I promise plenty of pics and video as well as a report on the stainless prop my son installed today.

Hey Richard, wow, that must be a good battery for size to have enough current on nearly 16 feet between the battery and starter motor to satisfy the current requirement.

Ilker, we ran #1 cable from the battery to the stern.
The electrical works perfectly. Starts instantly, no lag.
NavyBuilder13 wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:48 pm Just cruised through your build and makes me want to go ahead and build a FS18. Awesome build and great results. Well done..

Frank
Thank you Frank! I made a conscious effort to do a good job of documenting the build.
Rtorres2411 wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:56 pm Great looking boat 8) enjoy and catch some fish in it.
Thank you!
Fair WX Pilot wrote: Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:23 pm Congratulations on the splash. I have loved following your build. Not sure I would have the bottle to open the throttle on a 40mph boat :D
Thank you Alan! I have enjoyed following your build as well.

Joe, if you see this, keep in mind y’all are always welcome at my fishing house if you need a respite from the cold.
Sandi says hi back to you and Janet. 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:26 pm
by cape man
Camp on the east side of Middle Cape and you should be somewhat calm and bug free with the forecast. Wish I could run down and join you. Now it's me working 12 hour days...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2019 8:45 pm
by seaslug
Richard, I'm jealous of your Cape Sable trip. Hope the weather is perfect, and the fish are hungry. It's so nice to here more positive feedback on the FS18. I'm still loving my boat, and can't believe I can fish wherever I want, and never ever think about the tide being too low. Camping back in the marsh in December with my son we had an extremely low tide and I had to push the boat over soft mud for a few hundred yards to get in and out of our tent sight. My son said, dad it's only an inch deep, and I said I know, I've been pushing this sucker through the mud for 20 minutes. Never had to get out of the boat though. Kayak's don't even dare to go where my FS18 will go.....A friend sells motorized wheel chairs and gave me 2 used batteries prior to me finishing my build over 2 1/2 years ago. I've never had to charge the one in the boat, or the one sitting on a shelf in my garage. Tiny little batteries, but I guess they're well made. Mike

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:32 am
by glossieblack
Richard, do the cockpit drains take in water any when Bones is coming on or off the plane?

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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:07 am
by Aripeka Angler
Michael, I’ll type a detailed response to your question as soon as we get back home from Cape Sable. It’s a very good question that deserves more than a short answer.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:14 am
by glossieblack
Thanks Richard. Best you do a detailed Cape Sable report with copious pics first, else I and everyone else will rip you f****n arms out! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:39 pm
by Aripeka Angler
glossieblack wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:14 am Thanks Richard. Best you do a detailed Cape Sable report with copious pics first, else I and everyone else will rip you f****n arms out! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I replied with the smilies on the wrong thread this morning :lol: Worked out pretty good since I posted right after Jaysen :lol: He is always good for a laugh even when a dumbass like me replies to the wrong thread. :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:17 pm
by Jaysen
At least I’m good for something!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 6:27 pm
by Aripeka Angler
You’re way better than good for something!
I always get a laugh out of your light hearted posts...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:22 pm
by Jaysen
Why thank you sir! You have a beer on me should we ever find ourselves at an establishment that serves beverages of that nature!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:13 pm
by cape man
Spoiler alert...the Cape looks awesome with Bare Bones and Red Alert on it...you will all have to wait for Captain B'Hab to report...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 6:47 am
by Capt UB
Is Richard coming back?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 6:47 am
by Freaknreakn
Great job Richard!!
I knew visiting your shop and seeing bare bones mid build that the finished product would be nothing short of spectacular. You certainly inspire and raise the bar for me.
When I am done with my build, let’s get our xf20’s together for a play date in Aripeka.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:32 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Hi guys, we are back from Cape Sable.
Both Red Alert and Bare Bones performed well with no issues.
I can’t tell you enough about how happy we are with the FS18.
She rides flat with almost zero bow rise, self drains, runs 30 plus mph and gets 8.5 mpg.
Photos from our trip, no particular order...

Everything got wet on the way out, Mrs. AA found some derelict crab trap line to get us dried out...
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Red collecting firewood...
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Our camp setup...
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Not big, but the first fish caught on Bare Bones...
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Trout, we caught a crapload of keepers. Kept only enough for dinner...
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Sunrises and sunsets were spectacular as was the camp food...
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Handturkey and I loading up to head to the Cape...
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We caught 13 species of fish, the shark was released unharmed...
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I have more pics and some video of Bare Bones that I will post.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:43 pm
by glossieblack
What a terrific family boating expedition! :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 9:55 pm
by cape man
Great pictures.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 11:31 pm
by Fuzz
That must have been a great trip. And it is nice Sandy went with you guys.
Sounds like Bare Bones is performing as well or even better than could be hoped for. I bet 30 mph feels like you are flying in her.
So one quick question. Is Red Alert a fishing boat or a freight barge :doh: Seems like every picture of her you have her loaded down with something :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:21 am
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks guys!
Fuzz, we actually took the big red boat fishing twice while we were down there.
Three fishermen can stand on one side and she maybe tilts an inch and a half.
I’m looking forward to prowling around the flats in Aripeka now that the transom rebuild is complete.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:27 am
by Larry B
great pictures Richard, looks like a great time with family :D Thanks for posting

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:44 am
by icelikkilinc
Stunning pictures, thanks for sharing Richard.
That XF really is a barge😁

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 7:13 am
by Capt UB
Great news about Bare Bones. Hope my LM18 does as well.

What a great trip you had. Hopefully more pictures?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:16 am
by BassMunn
Nice boat Richard and cool looking trip.
Wish we could just go and setup camp like that somewhere and be safe

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:21 am
by OrangeQuest
Wow! What great pictures and looks like you guys had some good weather to boot. How did everyone get soaked or is it one of those things that stays at the camp? :lol:

I have to agree with the guys on the Big Red One. Seems it is quiet the useful multi-use boat that you have yet to find her limits on being a work horse. She is the pick up truck of vessels. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:19 am
by Fair WX Pilot
Great pictures, thanks for posting. looks like loads of fun.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:58 am
by Dougster
Too cool. My wife and I were just there at Flamingo two weeks ago. I recognize the dock where you loaded your boats. Manatee were swimming around there. We were just tourists, took one of the tour boats back into the everglades. What a camping trip you had!!

Dougster

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 12:45 pm
by jacquesmm
Beautiful pictures and I am glad to hear that the FS18 performed to your satisfaction.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:25 pm
by TomW1
Great pictures and glad that Sandy was able to join you. Those are some impressive numbers on Bare Bones, will put them in my data base. Can you provide the prop diameter and pitch? Looks like you had some great weather also. Hope it wasn't to cool. Glad you had a good time and will look forward to future photos.

Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:35 pm
by dborecky
That there is an awesome trip..... I need to get back out there!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:26 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks guys!
Fs 18 pics and raw video...
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S5LNTl-4FrU

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 9:37 pm
by glossieblack
8) 8) 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:29 pm
by Dutch1
I needed to see that to spur me back into finishing mine. Do you have any more vids?

Looks like she does the job well!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:49 am
by Fuzz
Great vidio :!:
From the way you guys were dressed it must have been a little cool there. I know you ain't no wuss when it comes to cool weather :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:15 am
by Capt UB
What a bad ass looking skiff... Poling platform next?

So this is the low sheer with the round chine?

If so, I'm going to love my LM18!!!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:02 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Capt UB wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:15 am What a bad ass looking skiff... Poling platform next?

So this is the low sheer with the round chine?

If so, I'm going to love my LM18!!!
Bob, Bones is built with the straight sheer and the hard chine. The poling platform is coming soon. I promise you that you are going to love the LM18.
Fuzz wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:49 am Great vidio :!:
From the way you guys were dressed it must have been a little cool there. I know you ain't no wuss when it comes to cool weather :wink:
Fuzz, you would love our weather right now. It’s gorgeous here.
Dutch1 wrote: Sun Feb 03, 2019 10:29 pm I needed to see that to spur me back into finishing mine. Do you have any more vids?

Looks like she does the job well!
I have one more video to post. Glad we could inspire you.
We will shoot some more very soon.
Dougster wrote: Sun Feb 03, 2019 11:58 am Too cool. My wife and I were just there at Flamingo two weeks ago. I recognize the dock where you loaded your boats. Manatee were swimming around there. We were just tourists, took one of the tour boats back into the everglades. What a camping trip you had!!

Dougster
Pretty cool place! I believe it’s the only place in the world that crocs and gators share the same territory.
They actually drug a huge and very rare whale into the marina at Flamingo while we were there.
The dang thing was nearly 40 feet long! Sadly it was dead but they are going to send it’s bones to the Smithsonian.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:14 pm
by wegcagle
Love the video! That skiff looks more like a hot knife through butter!

Will

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:00 pm
by Aripeka Angler
wegcagle wrote: Mon Feb 04, 2019 6:14 pm Love the video! That skiff looks more like a hot knife through butter!

Will
Very accurate description. :D
It feels like a guided missle with the 25 Yamaha...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:31 am
by glossieblack
Richard, a gentle reminder ........ :D
glossieblack wrote: Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:32 am Richard, do the cockpit drains take in water any when Bones is coming on or off the plane?
Aripeka Angler wrote: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:07 am Michael, I’ll type a detailed response to your question as soon as we get back home from Cape Sable. It’s a very good question that deserves more than a short answer.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 7:34 am
by Jeff
AA, great video of Bare Bones!! And yes, she is fast!!! Great job on her!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 8:11 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thank you Jeff!
glossieblack wrote: Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:31 am Richard, a gentle reminder ........ :D

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Richard, do the cockpit drains take in water any when Bones is coming on or off the plane?



I’m going to have to take some photos to better show you how the drainage works.
As you may remember, this boat has no bilge. All of the area between the sole and the hull bottom is 100% foam filled.
When the boat is at anchor, the cockpit plugs can be left out and the boat is self-draining.
The sections of the sole under the casting decks fore and aft are raised and pitched to drain to the cockpit.
When we are ready to man the boat, the plugs in the aft section of the cockpit are installed.
We run and fish with these plugs in place. The FS18 is sensitive to weight shift, you can’t fish it with the plugs out.
It’s real easy to get rid of a little water that accumulates in the cockpit by lifting the bow while partially planing and pulling the plugs.
The ride from Flamingo to Cape Sable was a killer test for this concept.
The wind was howling at 20 kts from the southwest which is absolutely the worst direction for it to blow.
The run was 17 miles and the seas in Florida Bay were 2 plus feet and choppy. Less than ideal conditions for two flats boats.
My son was was running Bones solo and Mrs AA and I were following in my boat.
We were taking spray and splash steadily for the first 12 miles.
When we rounded the corner at East Cape the waves increased.
After about 300 yards, the Mrs and I turned around. All of our gear, clothes, etc was wet and we had 8” of water in the cockpit of the red boat. The 1-3/4” open scuppers could not keep with the volume of water coming over the bow.
As for my son, he also took on a couple of inches of water in his cockpit but was able to clear it out once we turned around by pulling his plugs.
We ended up licking our wounds and spending the first night on East Cape.
East Cape is not as sexy as Middle Cape but at least we were out of the wind and had a nice fire.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 9:12 pm
by OrangeQuest
Ahhh, so that also explains everyone's clothes being wet. :)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:38 pm
by cvincent
Nice video. Bare Bones handled the bay very well.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 7:10 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Heading back down to the Everglades on April 5th.
Whitewater Bay, should be very interesting.
I will have a 42’ house boat with the skiff tied up for adventures.
We will make some more video and post the top boat speed we can squeeze out of “Bare Bones”.
Hopefully, we will have somewhat cool weather. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:03 pm
by Fuzz
Now that sounds like fun :!: How many can stay on the boat in decent comfort? And is this a rental boat?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:08 am
by cape man
You will love that trip! Has been 41 years since we did it!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:11 am
by seaslug
Richard this trip sounds very interesting, so I have the same questions as Dave. Do you rent these houseboats out of Flamingo? Any info would be much appreciated, I'm trying to plan a trip for this spring as will and need to put something together soon. Mike

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:35 am
by Bogieman
Nice!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 10:07 am
by Dougster
Wow, that sounds like real fun. The wife and I loved the 'glades and Flamingo. My only houseboat experience was on a rented one in Lake Powell a lifetime ago. We had several couple on board and slept on the roof. We were all young and resilient and partied for the whole week. Good memory.

I saw the houseboats for rent in Flamingo Bay and wondered how I would ever get one back in the slip with the wind. Shudder to think. No problem for you.

Struggling to fight off envy Dougster

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:01 pm
by cape man
You rent them out of Flamingo which is the end of the road in the southern part of Everglades National Park.

https://flamingoeverglades.com/houseboats/

Back when we did it, they limited your travel to the mouth of the Shark River.

https://www.nps.gov/ever/planyourvisit/maps.htm

Lots of beautiful back country inside there and plenty of islands to snug into regardless of the wind direction.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:06 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Craig, thanks for posting the links. 8)
I was just talking with Fuzz on the phone about screws (I know it’s Valentines Day, the other kind of screws). :lol:
He told you posted the links, haven’t logged on since 5 am...
Looking forward to the trip. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:17 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Doug, I’m 100% positive you can handle one of these houseboats. 8) The path of this adventure is pretty confined.

Mike, I think the link should get you the answers to your questions. I’ve never did this trip before but I promise I’ll take plenty of pics and give you a full review when we get back.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:25 pm
by OrangeQuest
Does look it would be fun and very relaxing.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:49 pm
by glossieblack
Sounds like a great adventure coming up Richard, and many thanks for the detailed explanation of Bare Bone's drainage in difficult conditions. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:41 pm
by K2FS18
Looking forward to hearing about your trip. This is always something I have wanted to do.

Ken
K2FS18

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:22 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Yes, looking forward to another adventure in a lesser spoiled part of Florida.
I bought a paper chart of the area, it included some suggested fishing spots.
Pics of the chart, not great pics but they will give you an idea of the terrain.
Note the lack of highways. :D
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 10:08 pm
by Bogieman
Good times

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:55 am
by Jeff
Have a great trip AA!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 6:56 pm
by TomW1
That is going to be some wild country your going into Richard.

Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:58 pm
by Aripeka Angler
New addition. Custom Bare Bones graphic...

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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:20 am
by cape man
That looks wickedly evil!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:24 am
by topwater
nice :!:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 7:35 am
by Jaysen
Damn that's nice!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:37 am
by Jeff
Very nice AA, she looks great!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:00 pm
by Capt UB
Richard,

Are you nuts? :lol:

That place is swarming with mosquitoes and those big flies with big teeth!

I camped ONCE at Flamingo during the wrong time of year... I think it was.... Ya.... August!

Watch out for the alligators in the fresh water and the crocodiles in the saltwater next to the docks! How can a normal person get in a kayak down there!!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:03 pm
by Capt UB
Thought you were headed back down to the Glades again! Missed the post date!!! :doh: :doh: :doh:

I like the fish graphic.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:03 pm
by Fuzz
Yep what those guys said :!:
That is one fine looking boat :wink:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:38 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Capeman, Topwater, Jaysen, Jeff, Bob and Fuzz. :D
Captain, I’m not sure you could pay me enough to go camping in the ‘glades right now. You’d need to carry a mobile blood bank. :lol:
About the graphic- My son commissioned a wildlife artist draw the fish. He drew it with a pencil then made a digital file for the vinyl shop.
The vinyl shop was able to reverse the file so the fish faces forward on both sides. My son paid the artist well and left his signature on the graphic. Seemed like the right thing to do...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 10:45 pm
by Bogieman
Love the graphic!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:46 pm
by Fuzz
Aripeka Angler wrote: Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:38 pm The vinyl shop was able to reverse the file so the fish faces forward on both sides. My son paid the artist well and left his signature on the graphic. Seemed like the right thing to do...
I do believe Harrison is a chip off the old block 8)

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 8:09 am
by glossieblack
What a treat. The boys, aka AA and cm are, or are about to be, out and about adventuring in their classy boat builds, and posting. Go AA!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:38 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks Bogie! :D Fuzz, good conversing with you today. Is texting conversing? :doh:
One of these days, I’m going to invade AK again! :lol:
Thanks for weighing in Michael and cheering us on!
Bare Bones is off to a new adventure in Cedar Key this weekend.
Lots of Florida history there as well as hopefully good fishing.
Will post some pics of the boat out on the water...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:42 am
by Jeff
Good luck fishing AA!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:01 pm
by Aripeka Angler
AT&T cell phone photo transfer from Cedar Key is a little spotty. Two pics are all that I can load. Will try again mañana.
Bare Bones is working great.

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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 9:42 pm
by seaslug
Richard, your boat looks great, but where's the poling platform? Are you going to put a platform on the boat or no? If you're bringing it to Jensen Beach we can have an FS18 race. Hope to see you there. Mike

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:11 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Mike, I’m probably not going to make Jensen. First grandkid is due in two weeks, very excited. :D
Poling platform will be on sometime in the near future. It’s on our TTD list.
The race would be fun, we will for sure have to do it.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:22 pm
by glossieblack
Wonderful expedition Richard. Clever graphic.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:06 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Time to bust the dust off this thread. :D
Hand Turkey is off on a solo adventure to Mosquito Lagoon.
Wish I could have went-maybe next year. Life tends to throw some mean curveballs.
First day pics of the soon to be documented adventure...
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:56 pm
by Fuzz
Looks like fun and right up his alley.
So the most important question...............does he have his own or did you loan him the extra-tuffs :lol:

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:54 pm
by cape man
Perfect!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 4:45 am
by glossieblack
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:43 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Sun Dec 29, 2019 6:56 pm Looks like fun and right up his alley.
So the most important question...............does he have his own or did you loan him the extra-tuffs :lol:
Those are his Xtra-Tuffs. :wink:
I wear size 10 boots, he wears 13’s lol. :lol:
Our “winter” is about the only time we can wear Alaska boots.
I’ve been getting pics today of 16-18” trout...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:05 am
by Eric1
Man, That looks like a fun trip! :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:27 am
by Jeff
Looks like a great trip AA!!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:13 am
by Freaknreakn
Richard,
Barebones turned out amazing!!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:21 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Freaknreakn wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:13 am Richard,
Barebones turned out amazing!!

Thanks Eddie 8)
Been not able to fish or do much lately due to a terminal illness of an immediate family member.
Would like to check out your boat and maybe fish with you soon.
Thanks for checking in. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:03 am
by Freaknreakn
So sorry to hear that. Will pray for strength and healing peace for your family.
I’ve been meaning to post pics of my splash but the weather hasn’t cooperated, as well as been busy restoring our boat ramp and sea wall this winter during our extra low tides. We will get together soon and fish :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:36 am
by Jeff
AA, very sorry to hear about the terrible family issue!! You and your family will be in our thoughts!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:23 am
by peter-curacao
Boat looks great Richard, I'm so sorry to hear about your family member, hopefully there will be a quick recovery, my thoughts are with you!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:46 am
by glossieblack
Happy Birthday Richard! :D

How goes Bare Bones?

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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 5:52 am
by Fuzz
Yes sir Happy birthday to you :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:13 am
by Bogieman
Happy birthday!!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 10:45 am
by Jeff
Happy Birthday Richard!!! I hope you and the family have a great weekend!!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:24 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Thanks guys!
I have been busy working on a lifetime dream of having a clay tennis court outside my back door.
Scratch that off my bucket list...
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:08 am
by Fuzz
How big of fish can you catch in that net :doh: :lol: :lol:

Dang nice looking court! How will the upkeep be compared to a hard court?

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 7:18 am
by cape man
Dang! Sweet!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 9:31 am
by Dougster
Who knew...I had the same dream for years. Age has kinda put tennis behind me now, but I'd like to try pickleball :D

Dougster

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 10:05 am
by Jeff
Beautiful court AA!!! Congrats!!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:49 am
by Aripeka Angler
Fuzz wrote: Sun Jan 10, 2021 4:08 am How will the upkeep be compared to a hard court?
Good question.
The court is nourished with an Australian made hydro-grid underground watering system. Fully automatic, no maintenance.The hydro-mix clay is set on a bed of crushed granite and isolated from the subsoil with a liner similar to an above ground pool. No weeds.
About the only maintenance required prior to playing is a 10 minute sweep and line brushing. The lines are fiberglass tape nailed in with 3” aluminum spikes.
Every two years, a ton or so of Hartru clay will need to be added. That’s about it...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:02 am
by Dougster
Very cool Richard. I never played on clay before, but I bet it would help me. I mean, I may be old, but I'm slow :D

Dougster

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 10:29 am
by Jeff
Nice Richard!! I assumed the clay would be much higher maintenance!! Jeff

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:04 pm
by Fuzz
A good buddy who I played a lot of tennis with in our youth had a great line. After giving it a try again not long ago he said "the arm still knows how but the feet can't get there any more"

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 10:40 pm
by TomW1
Beautiful Richard, you all enjoy. :D

Tom

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:12 am
by Joe H
Wow, looks great Richard!
Hope you and your own are doing good.

Joe & Janet

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:51 am
by glossieblack
Hey Richard, each year I think of you at Australian Open tennis time.

Against a Covid-19 backdrop, what a triumph this years Aussie Open has been. On all but a few days there has been appreciative and knowledgeable live crowds, every day outstanding tennis, and finally clearly worthy female and male champions.

I hope attending an Aussie Open is still on your bucket list Richard. Would love to bust open a day with you. :D

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:51 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Michael, yes I was watching. As in every day at 3:30-4:30 am. We actually have a group that wagers on each match, I tied for first on the WTA side.
The AO is indeed on my bucket list, got to scratch off the French Open in 2017.
Depending on the outcome of our current situation I will be heading your way in either 2022 or 2023.
I’ll look you up when it finally pans out...

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:22 pm
by Aripeka Angler
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Bare bones is alive and well. Harrison added a poling platform recently, he is an expert at putting me on redfish.
We also caught snook and mangrove snapper.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:28 pm
by Aripeka Angler
I only know how to post attachment photos so you have to tap the photo to see it full size.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:46 am
by Fuzz
Looks like you and the president were having a good time. It is great to hear from you. Hope all is good in your world.

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 6:54 am
by cape man
Poling platform? I don't see one!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:30 pm
by Aripeka Angler
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:20 am
by cape man
Todd does good work!

Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:19 pm
by Aripeka Angler
Yes he does!
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Re: FS-18 - "Bare Bones"

Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2023 2:28 pm
by Jeff
Very nice AA!!! Jeff